[libreoffice-users] Variables in Libre Office

2013-06-26 Thread Ian Whitfield

Hi All

Very interesting article on using variables in LO that I just came 
across. Worth a read


http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/three-great-ways-to-use-variables-in-libreoffice-and-openoffice/4446?tag=nl.e101s_cid=e101ttag=e101ftag=

IanW
Pretoria RSA

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[libreoffice-users] Need header outside right margin

2013-06-26 Thread William Drago

All,

I am working on a research paper. The required page layout 
puts last name, working title, and page number in the upper 
right hand corner of each page, outside the right hand margin.


It is similar to what is shown here, but has to appear on 
every page, not just the first page, and has to be outside 
the right margin and closer to the top of the page.


http://www15.uta.fi/FAST/PK6/CITEX/TRADMOD/trad-mla.html

How can this be done in LO Writer?

Thanks,
-Bill


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libreoffice 4.0.4 OS X - Gatekeeper - missing Developer Signature

2013-06-26 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 23/06/13 11:37, Volker Guelke a écrit :

Hi Volke,

There has been an update of the DMG files to the server, so the download
should now contain a signed app. Haven't tried it though. LO 4.0.4
doesn't interest me personally for various problems that it has with
databases, so I am holding off on installing it.


Alex




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Runtime Error 57 when using Open

2013-06-26 Thread Frederik Schwarzer
Supplement ...

This minimal example throws the described error at me:

---8---
Dim oSheet As Object
Dim iNumber As Integer

outFile = C:\test.xml
iNumber = Freefile
Open outFile For Output As #iNumber
write #iNumber, oSheet.getCellByPosition(0,0).String
---8---

Regards
Frederik


On 26 June 2013 11:12, Frederik Schwarzer schwar...@kde.org wrote:

 Hi,

 I am trying to write something to a file when I press a button (first-time
 LO Basic usere here :)).

 There I had problems when using Open. A message box appears telling me
 that there was a runtime error: Geräte-E/A-Fehler (German for something
 like Device I/O Error).

 Strange thing is that I also get this error when just copying the example
 from LO Help.

 Any idea where to look for the cause of the problem?

 Version is 4.0.4.2.

 Thanks and regards
 Frederik


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[libreoffice-users] Runtime Error 57 when using Open

2013-06-26 Thread Frederik Schwarzer
Hi,

I am trying to write something to a file when I press a button (first-time
LO Basic usere here :)).

There I had problems when using Open. A message box appears telling me that
there was a runtime error: Geräte-E/A-Fehler (German for something like
Device I/O Error).

Strange thing is that I also get this error when just copying the example
from LO Help.

Any idea where to look for the cause of the problem?

Version is 4.0.4.2.

Thanks and regards
Frederik

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Runtime Error 57 when using Open

2013-06-26 Thread Frederik Schwarzer
Hi,


On 26 June 2013 13:17, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
Frederik Schwarzer wrote:


 There I had problems when using Open. A message box appears telling me that
 there was a runtime error: Geräte-E/A-Fehler (German for something like
 Device I/O Error).

is a problem when opening or saving a file ( no file or no rights...)
give me the code i can have a closer look


you are right. When using the user's standard path
C:\Users\MyUser\test.xml, it works fine.

Sub Export

Dim oSheet As Object
Dim iNumber As Integer
Dim outFile As String

oSheet = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ActiveSheet

outFile = C:\Users\MyUser\test.xml
iNumber = Freefile
Open outFile For Output As #iNumber
write #iNumber, oSheet.getCellByPosition(0,0).String

End Sub


Thanks for that hint. :)

Regards
Frederik


On 26 June 2013 13:17, Fernand Vanrie s...@pmgroup.be wrote:

 Frederik Schwarzer wrote:

 Hi,

 I am trying to write something to a file when I press a button (first-time
 LO Basic usere here :)).

 There I had problems when using Open. A message box appears telling me
 that
 there was a runtime error: Geräte-E/A-Fehler (German for something like
 Device I/O Error).

 is a problem when opening or saving a file ( no file or no rights...)
 give me the code i can have a closer look


 Strange thing is that I also get this error when just copying the example
 from LO Help.

 Any idea where to look for the cause of the problem?

 Version is 4.0.4.2.

 Thanks and regards
 Frederik




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Need header outside right margin

2013-06-26 Thread Virgil Arrington

William,

Your document would use page styles. The page style for the first page would 
not have any headers. Then the page style for the subsequent pages would 
have a header. You can then format the lines (paragraphs) within the header 
to any left and right margin you would like. (To have margins extend beyond 
the normal page margin, use negative numbers in your paragraph indent 
settings.)


To get to the page styles, make sure you're styles list is showing (press 
F11 if it isn't). Then, at the top of the list are icons for (from left to 
right) paragraph styles, character styles, frame styles, and then page 
styles (it looks like a sheet of paper). Click on that icon to see a list of 
the page styles available for your document. You can then right click on any 
one of them to modify them or create new ones. At this point, it would be 
best for you to experiment with the page styles yourself, creating new ones 
or modifying existing ones to get the result that you want. Take careful 
note of the option on the organizer tab for next style as it will show 
what page style will be used for the following page. Sometimes this can 
cause some frustration. Also, there is an option in the header tab to set 
left and right margins. It may not allow negative margin settings here (I 
just tried it and it ignored me), so you may need to set negative margins at 
the paragraph indent level rather than the header margin level.


It's all about learning to use styles, paragraph styles for paragraph level 
formatting and page styles for page level formatting. It's a pain to learn, 
and while you're learning you want to cuss out the LO developers, but once 
you learn it, you'll bless them as you'll be able to make your documents 
sing. The only way I know to learn is to experiment and play with them, 
creating your own styles along the way. I know its frustrating when all you 
want to do is finish the current project, but the more you learn now, the 
more you'll be able to apply to future projects to make your work so much 
quicker, automated, and consistent. It really is worth the effort.


What I find most interesting is the dark ages style of formatting papers 
that you've been handed, with paragraph indents measured in spaces and 
lines in terms of single double and triple spacing. Is this an 
Underwood we're using or a computer?


As long as we remain entrenched in a typewriter mentality (even though many 
of us have never typed a single letter on a typewriter), we will never learn 
the advanced capabilities of our computers, which act more like printing 
presses than typewriters.


Virgil


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From: William Drago

Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 6:01 AM
To: LibreOffice List
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Need header outside right margin

All,

I am working on a research paper. The required page layout
puts last name, working title, and page number in the upper
right hand corner of each page, outside the right hand margin.

It is similar to what is shown here, but has to appear on
every page, not just the first page, and has to be outside
the right margin and closer to the top of the page.

http://www15.uta.fi/FAST/PK6/CITEX/TRADMOD/trad-mla.html

How can this be done in LO Writer?

Thanks,
-Bill


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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.4win32 download link hacked or problems

2013-06-26 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

On 06/25/2013 03:07 PM, J Weaver wrote:

Today, I downloaded libreoffice4.0.4.win32.exe twice. The first time I used the 
big download link from the libroffice.org webpage (which first linked to the 
donation page). I couldn't find the md5 hash on the libreoffice.org website, 
though I eventually found the md5 hash for the experimental 64bit version (and 
downloaded it and found the checksum matched that new download). So I googled 
to the 32 bit version hash, and found links which all gave a very different 
checksum beginning f21..., although the download from the libreoffice.org 
website said it completed and gave a checksum of 
3645B0ACFD2E6A7CA380804723D0C94A. Turns out the download through somthing like 
nexxus was less than 2 mb. I of course deleted the file as possible malware, 
but thought you should know.

And suggest that checksums be made available easily on the libreoffice.org for 
32bit versions, not just experimental or 64bit versions. Freeware sites are 
often targets for malware, as I found out long ago downloading xbmc.





The file name should be LibreOffice_4.0.4_Win_x86.msi not 
libreoffice4.0.4.win32.exe.


Here is a direct link
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/4.0.4/win/x86/LibreOffice_4.0.4_Win_x86.msi

I tend to download the files from this page.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download-more/

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[libreoffice-users] styles for plays?

2013-06-26 Thread Helen
I've volunteered to edit a one-time publication of a collection of plays.
The plays came to me
in different styles -- three of the plays came to me with all the
characters's speaking lines
 centered -- the characters's names centered a line above.

Some of the writers seem to have centered the names with a centering code
-- I can
highlight the name and use the left margin code to move the name to left
margin.  Others
seem to have centered by spacing over! (yes)  and I have to backspace until
I get the name
to the left margin.

None used a colon after the speaker, and the publisher wants it.  I've made
some progress with
Search  Replace --  Search for all incidents of TOM and replace with TOM
colon space. But the
most tedious part is moving TOM from center to left and bring his speaking
lines up to begin
on the same line.  Is there any way I can put these plays into a style
sheet and save this work, or
would creating  the style sheet take as long as what I'm doing?  I've never
used styles.  And this is a one-time
job so if I have to do it all by hand, at least it's only once.

Thanks for any advice,
-- 
Helen Etters
using Linux, suse12.3

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[libreoffice-users] Horizontal lines (rules) disappeared from Insert menu

2013-06-26 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić
I have to insert a horizontal rule to separate document content - but 
the horizontal rule disappeared from menu. I checked in Help file and it 
should go like this: Insert  Horizontal rule ( plain), but there is no 
Horizontal rule under Insert menu.


Probably doing something wrong...

Debian Squeeze, LO 4.0.4.2

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Horizontal lines (rules) disappeared from Insert menu

2013-06-26 Thread jomali
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have to insert a horizontal rule to separate document content - but the
 horizontal rule disappeared from menu. I checked in Help file and it should
 go like this: Insert  Horizontal rule ( plain), but there is no
 Horizontal rule under Insert menu.

 Probably doing something wrong...

 Debian Squeeze, LO 4.0.4.2


No, the command is missing in 4.0.4. Instead, just type ---enter

John

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Horizontal lines (rules) disappeared from Insert menu

2013-06-26 Thread V Stuart Foote
The Insert -- Horizontal Rule feature was removed at the 4.0.0 release,
including its gallery of graphics objects. And it was not replaced.

There is an active bug  fdo#60858
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858  , and discussion in
the  UX-Advise
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-provide-horizontal-rule-paragraph-separators-tt4061353.html
  
functional design forum.

For now, working in Writer, only capability is the manual insertion of a
graphic as separator, or using text entry to format the paragraph style to
include a paragraph boundary marking on the bottom edge.

That is done,  while completing a paragraph, by immediate keyboard entry of
a triplet of: - (dash),   _  (underscore),   =  (equal),  *  (asterisk)  , 
~  (tilde) or  #  (hash). And  each will apply direct formatting creating a
bottom edge border for the paragraph. 






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Horizontal lines (rules) disappeared from Insert menu

2013-06-26 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

On 06/26/2013 04:56 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

The Insert --  Horizontal Rule feature was removed at the 4.0.0 release,
including its gallery of graphics objects. And it was not replaced.

There is an active bug  fdo#60858
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858   , and discussion in
the  UX-Advise
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-provide-horizontal-rule-paragraph-separators-tt4061353.html
functional design forum.

For now, working in Writer, only capability is the manual insertion of a
graphic as separator, or using text entry to format the paragraph style to
include a paragraph boundary marking on the bottom edge.

That is done,  while completing a paragraph, by immediate keyboard entry of
a triplet of: - (dash),   _  (underscore),   =  (equal),  *  (asterisk)  ,
~  (tilde) or  #  (hash). And  each will apply direct formatting creating a
bottom edge border for the paragraph.






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No, the command is missing in 4.0.4. Instead, just type ---enter

John


Thanks for answers, should checked bugs.freedesktop.org first. I was 
thinking about downgrading to 3.6, but since it can be done with 
asterisk and dash, I'll bare with 4.0.4.


Kruno

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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles for plays?

2013-06-26 Thread Fred James

Helen wrote:

I've volunteered to edit a one-time publication of a collection of plays.
The plays came to me
in different styles -- three of the plays came to me with all the
characters's speaking lines
  centered -- the characters's names centered a line above.

Some of the writers seem to have centered the names with a centering code
-- I can
highlight the name and use the left margin code to move the name to left
margin.  Others
seem to have centered by spacing over! (yes)  and I have to backspace until
I get the name
to the left margin.

None used a colon after the speaker, and the publisher wants it.  I've made
some progress with
Search  Replace --  Search for all incidents of TOM and replace with TOM
colon space. But the
most tedious part is moving TOM from center to left and bring his speaking
lines up to begin
on the same line.  Is there any way I can put these plays into a style
sheet and save this work, or
would creating  the style sheet take as long as what I'm doing?  I've never
used styles.  And this is a one-time
job so if I have to do it all by hand, at least it's only once.

Thanks for any advice,

Helen
Not sure this is helpful ... Things are so context dependent ... Let me 
preface my remarks with:
(1) send a sample file to me (off line, if you like) and I could take a 
look at it and see what I might be able to do?

(2) depends on the results of step 1

And so, on to what I have thought of so far ...

First I thought Macro (which I don't do anything with, so no help there)
Second I thought gawk ... and I played with that with some degree of 
success ...


Steps:
(1) save document as (plain) txt (no encoding)
(2) in a terminal window, apply this command to the *.txt file ...
awk '{gsub(/^[ \t]+|[ \t]+$/,)};1' filename.txt newfilename.txt
... this removes all leading (and trailing) white space, and everything 
is left justified.  It takes out spaces, tabs, and centering, and the 
result would look like this ...

Tom
said one
Tom
said two
Tom
said three
... and LibreOffice can open and edit the new *.txt file.

That doesn't get the speaker's line adjoined or insert the necessary : 
either, but depending upon context something might be made to do the job?


Regards
Fred James

PS: credit where credit is due: I found that little one-liner at 
http://www.pement.org/awk/awk1line.txt



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[libreoffice-users] Re: styles for plays?

2013-06-26 Thread V Stuart Foote
Helen,

Interesting issue. The manual centering is simply multiple tabs ,\t, or
multiple space characters.   Replace the multiple occurrences with nothing
to remove it and bring all text to left margin.  Get all the formatting
removed so you are left with just the text.

The key to your effort is to remove the direct styling from the text, and
apply document wide styling to paragraphs.   Choose from existing styles, or
create new style sto apply against paragraphs, fonts, pages of each play as
you'd like.

If you are comfortable extracting the XML text component--content.xml-- from
the .odt container you can flush it through the stream editor--sed.  Or
gawk, or perl, or python, etc. to make editing corrections (removing white
space and joining actor to their lines with a colon). Then return the edited
content.xml back to the .odt container, and then apply consistent styles
from LibreOffice.

However, working within Writer--you can accomplish much of the text clean up
using the find-replace GUI widget. Open the + other options panel, and
select  the regular expression checkbox. 

LibreOffice regular expressions are described here: 
https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/List_of_Regular_Expressions

with a bit more detailed instruction here (panels are a bit different
between LibreOffice and OpenOffice):
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Regular_Expressions_in_Writer

The other approach, would be to open the document and copy all contents out
to a text file, then edit that with sed, gawk, perl or python--and insert
the now consistent text into a new LibreOffice document and then apply
styles to the text.

Stuart



 



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[libreoffice-users] Style Question (Similar to Helen's, for Plays)

2013-06-26 Thread Dave Liesse
Helen's query reminded me of one I tried to post but at the time the 
list server decided my mail server was a spammer (the drawbacks to 
shared servers).  Mine's a little more complex, though.


I belong to a radio theater group and often serve as director, which 
means I'm responsible for the scripts for those shows.  There are some 
standard requirements for the script format, and I haven't been able to 
figure out how to make them happen automagically through formatting or 
styles.  Would appreciate any help.  Here is what I need:


1.  Header on every page.  No problem with that by itself, but see #2.

2.  Every line numbered.  Problem I've had here is (a) headers get the 
numbers, too, and (b) numbering needs to start over on each page.


3.  Need a hanging indent, for spoken lines that don't fit on one 
physical line, but need a tab within the indent (between the line number 
and the text) so the character's name can be inserted.  Don't remember 
the exact problem I've had with this, but it might not be one if item #2 
can be resolved.


As I say, any help would be greatly appreciated!

Dave


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Need header outside right margin

2013-06-26 Thread Brian Barker

At 06:01 26/06/2013 -0400, William Drago wrote:
I am working on a research paper. The required page layout puts last 
name, working title, and page number in the upper right hand corner 
of each page, outside the right hand margin.  It is similar to what 
is shown here, but has to appear on every page, not just the first 
page, and has to be outside the right margin and closer to the top of the page.


http://www15.uta.fi/FAST/PK6/CITEX/TRADMOD/trad-mla.html


Aargh!  To follow that, you might want to time-travel to the previous 
millennium and purchase a typewriter!



How can this be done in LO Writer?


Fairly easily, I think.  First, the page margins are the printing 
limits, so you need to set these wide enough to contain the extra 
material at the top of each page.  Now insert a header, using Insert 
| Header, and enter the required material.


Now your only problem is that you need the main text not to spread as 
far as your newly extended right margin.  There are probably a number 
of ways to do that; the easiest may be to modify your paragraph 
style.  Right-click in the text and go to Edit Paragraph Style... | 
Indents  Spacing | Indent and set the After text value to however 
much you extended the right margin to accommodate your header.  This 
will move the paragraph margin for all your text back to where you 
want it.  (This won't work if you have applied contradictory local 
paragraph formatting, of course.  If necessary, use Format | Default 
Formatting (or Ctrl+M) to remove this.)


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Need header outside right margin

2013-06-26 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi William,

William Drago schrieb:

All,

I am working on a research paper. The required page layout puts last
name, working title, and page number in the upper right hand corner of
each page, outside the right hand margin.

It is similar to what is shown here, but has to appear on every page,
not just the first page, and has to be outside the right margin and
closer to the top of the page.

http://www15.uta.fi/FAST/PK6/CITEX/TRADMOD/trad-mla.html

How can this be done in LO Writer?


Something, that should be repeated on each page, goes into the header or 
footer. If this should be beyond the right edge of the text area, you 
can use a negative indent of the paragraph in the header. You can use a 
frame anchored to the header paragraph as well. A frame has the 
advantage, that the position is more flexible.


Kind regards
Regina


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style Question (Similar to Helen's, for Plays)

2013-06-26 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Templates?  Section breaks?  

Getting Started Guide, Chapter 3
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications

Who is betting that Brian and Regina have better answers?
Regards from 
Tom :)  






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To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013, 18:11
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Style Question (Similar to Helen's, for Plays)
 

Helen's query reminded me of one I tried to post but at the time the 
list server decided my mail server was a spammer (the drawbacks to 
shared servers).  Mine's a little more complex, though.

I belong to a radio theater group and often serve as director, which 
means I'm responsible for the scripts for those shows.  There are some 
standard requirements for the script format, and I haven't been able to 
figure out how to make them happen automagically through formatting or 
styles.  Would appreciate any help.  Here is what I need:

1.  Header on every page.  No problem with that by itself, but see #2.

2.  Every line numbered.  Problem I've had here is (a) headers get the 
numbers, too, and (b) numbering needs to start over on each page.

3.  Need a hanging indent, for spoken lines that don't fit on one 
physical line, but need a tab within the indent (between the line number 
and the text) so the character's name can be inserted.  Don't remember 
the exact problem I've had with this, but it might not be one if item #2 
can be resolved.

As I say, any help would be greatly appreciated!

Dave


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[libreoffice-users] any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out?

2013-06-26 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


It has been about as week since 4.0.4 came out.
All I need is the Portable versions of 4.0.4 to complete the 4.0.4 NA-DVD.

Anyone have heard anything about when the portable versions might 
beavailable?


So, right now I wait till I hear either way.  I can release/upload the 
4.0.4 ISO file with the 4.0.3 portable versions. I have done so in the 
past having the new Win/Mac/Linux installs with an older version of the 
portable installs. In the past, the Portable group have skipped a 
version or two, due to whatever issues with their time or working schedules.


I just would like to get the NA-DVD ISO file uploaded soon to the LO 
system so it can be listed in the DVD download page[s].


Tim L.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles for plays?

2013-06-26 Thread Brian Barker

At 09:46 26/06/2013 -0400, Helen Etters wrote:
I've volunteered to edit a one-time publication of a collection of 
plays.  The plays came to me in different styles -- three of the 
plays came to me with all the characters's speaking lines centered 
-- the characters's names centered a line above.


Some of the writers seem to have centered the names with a centering 
code -- I can highlight the name and use the left margin code to 
move the name to left margin.  Others
seem to have centered by spacing over! (yes)  and I have to 
backspace until I get the name to the left margin.


None used a colon after the speaker, and the publisher wants 
it.  I've made some progress with Search  Replace --  Search for 
all incidents of TOM and replace with TOM
colon space. But the most tedious part is moving TOM from center to 
left and bring his speaking lines up to begin on the same line.  Is 
there any way I can put these plays into a style sheet and save this 
work, or would creating the style sheet take as long as what I'm 
doing?  I've never used styles.  And this is a one-time job so if I 
have to do it all by hand, at least it's only once.


In situations like this, it's very often easiest to lose all the 
existing formatting and insert your own from scratch - rather than 
trying to tinker with what you have.  That's very easy to do: just 
use Edit | Paste Special... (or right-click | Paste Special... or 
Ctrl+Shift+V) instead of ordinary Paste, selecting Unformatted text 
from the options in the Paste Special dialogue, when inserting your 
material.  Since you will already have done some work on the text, 
you can do this from where you currently are by selecting your entire 
document text, copying it, and pasting it Unformatted either back 
over the original or else into a new document.  (I'd suggest a new 
document, as you might well want to go back and look at how the 
original material *was* formatted, in fact.)


Then you need to learn a few tricks to tidy things up.

You don't need to backspace over a number of spaces.  Put the cursor 
at the start of the line (paragraph, in fact).  Press 
Ctrl+Shift+right arrow.  This will select the range of spaces.  Now 
press Delete to remove them.  You can also use Find  Replace to 
replace space-space with space.  Keep repeating that until there are 
no more double spaces and you will be close to what you need.  (It is 
seldom useful to have consecutive spaces in any word-processed 
document.)  Better still, use Find  Replace to replace ^ + (that's 
circumflex-space-plus sign) with nothing, having clicked More Options 
and ticked Regular expressions.  This will remove all spaces from 
the start of any paragraph (which is what your relevant lines will 
presumably be).


Perversely, there appears to be no easy way to merge TOM:  with the 
next paragraph (or if there is, I've managed to forget it): you might 
be left with doing this manually.


Yes, you can create styles to do some of this, but you would still 
have to apply the styles to the relevant parts of the text.  They 
would be more useful if, say, you wanted character names to be a 
different font, size, or style - or perhaps all of these - from the 
surrounding text.  Using a character style to set these would be a 
benefit in various ways: it would be quicker, it would be more 
reliable at ensuring all the text was treated in the same way, and it 
would enable you to change your selected settings later at a 
stroke.  And yes: you could import such styles into any new document 
in the future or put them in an appropriate template.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style Question (Similar to Helen's, for Plays)

2013-06-26 Thread Brian Barker

At 10:11 26/06/2013 -0700, Dave Liesse wrote:
I belong to a radio theater group and often serve as director, which 
means I'm responsible for the scripts for those shows.  There are 
some standard requirements for the script format, and I haven't been 
able to figure out how to make them happen automagically through 
formatting or styles.  Would appreciate any help.  Here is what I need:


1.  Header on every page.  No problem with that by itself, but see #2.
2.  Every line numbered.  Problem I've had here is (a) headers get 
the numbers, too, ...


I'm puzzled.  Are you using Insert | Header to create a real 
header?  If so, I don't see that the header is included in line numbering.



... and (b) numbering needs to start over on each page.


o Go to Tools | Line Numbering... and tick Show numbering.
o At the bottom, tick Restart every new page.

3.  Need a hanging indent, for spoken lines that don't fit on one 
physical line, but need a tab within the indent (between the line 
number and the text) so the character's name can be inserted.


o Go to right-click | Edit Paragraph Style... | Indents  Spacing | Indent.
o Set Before text to some suitable positive value.
o Set First line to the corresponding negative value.

For each speech, type the character name, press Tab, and then type 
the speech text.  The Tab character will move the start of the text 
to the indented paragraph boundary.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles for plays?

2013-06-26 Thread Steve Edmonds


On 2013-06-27 03:13, Fred James wrote:

Helen wrote:
I've volunteered to edit a one-time publication of a collection of 
plays.

The plays came to me
in different styles -- three of the plays came to me with all the
characters's speaking lines
  centered -- the characters's names centered a line above.

Some of the writers seem to have centered the names with a centering 
code

-- I can
highlight the name and use the left margin code to move the name to 
left

margin.  Others
seem to have centered by spacing over! (yes)  and I have to backspace 
until

I get the name
to the left margin.

None used a colon after the speaker, and the publisher wants it.  
I've made

some progress with
Search  Replace --  Search for all incidents of TOM and replace with 
TOM

colon space. But the
most tedious part is moving TOM from center to left and bring his 
speaking

lines up to begin
on the same line.  Is there any way I can put these plays into a style
sheet and save this work, or
would creating  the style sheet take as long as what I'm doing? I've 
never

used styles.  And this is a one-time
job so if I have to do it all by hand, at least it's only once.

Thanks for any advice,

Helen
Not sure this is helpful ... Things are so context dependent ... Let 
me preface my remarks with:
(1) send a sample file to me (off line, if you like) and I could take 
a look at it and see what I might be able to do?

(2) depends on the results of step 1

And so, on to what I have thought of so far ...

First I thought Macro (which I don't do anything with, so no help 
there)
Second I thought gawk ... and I played with that with some degree of 
success ...


Steps:
(1) save document as (plain) txt (no encoding)
(2) in a terminal window, apply this command to the *.txt file ...
awk '{gsub(/^[ \t]+|[ \t]+$/,)};1' filename.txt newfilename.txt
... this removes all leading (and trailing) white space, and 
everything is left justified.  It takes out spaces, tabs, and 
centering, and the result would look like this ...

Tom
said one
Tom
said two
Tom
said three
... and LibreOffice can open and edit the new *.txt file.

That doesn't get the speaker's line adjoined or insert the necessary 
: either, but depending upon context something might be made to do the 
job?


Regards
Fred James

PS: credit where credit is due: I found that little one-liner at 
http://www.pement.org/awk/awk1line.txt

Hi.
I think you are almost there. You just need to do a substitution if you 
have the actors names.

Substitute Tom: for Tom\n
I think you can perform substitution or transliteration on a list but 
can't just locate the syntax

Something like /(Tom\n)(Burt\n)(Joan\n)/(Tom:)(Burt:)(Joan:)/
Steve

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: styles for plays?

2013-06-26 Thread Helen
Stuart, Fred, Brian, Steve -- thank you for great ideas.  I've learned a lot
of useful things that I'll make notes on here.


Thanks!

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:05 PM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.eduwrote:

 Helen,

 Interesting issue. The manual centering is simply multiple tabs ,\t, or
 multiple space characters.   Replace the multiple occurrences with
 nothing
 to remove it and bring all text to left margin.  Get all the formatting
 removed so you are left with just the text.

 The key to your effort is to remove the direct styling from the text, and
 apply document wide styling to paragraphs.   Choose from existing styles,
 or
 create new style sto apply against paragraphs, fonts, pages of each play as
 you'd like.

 If you are comfortable extracting the XML text component--content.xml--
 from
 the .odt container you can flush it through the stream editor--sed.  Or
 gawk, or perl, or python, etc. to make editing corrections (removing white
 space and joining actor to their lines with a colon). Then return the
 edited
 content.xml back to the .odt container, and then apply consistent styles
 from LibreOffice.

 However, working within Writer--you can accomplish much of the text clean
 up
 using the find-replace GUI widget. Open the + other options panel, and
 select  the regular expression checkbox.

 LibreOffice regular expressions are described here:
 https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/List_of_Regular_Expressions

 with a bit more detailed instruction here (panels are a bit different
 between LibreOffice and OpenOffice):

 http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Regular_Expressions_in_Writer

 The other approach, would be to open the document and copy all contents out
 to a text file, then edit that with sed, gawk, perl or python--and insert
 the now consistent text into a new LibreOffice document and then apply
 styles to the text.

 Stuart







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style Question (Similar to Helen's, for Plays)

2013-06-26 Thread Dave Liesse


On 6/26/2013 11:10, Brian Barker wrote:

At 10:11 26/06/2013 -0700, Dave Liesse wrote:
I belong to a radio theater group and often serve as director, which 
means I'm responsible for the scripts for those shows.  There are 
some standard requirements for the script format, and I haven't been 
able to figure out how to make them happen automagically through 
formatting or styles. Would appreciate any help.  Here is what I need:


1.  Header on every page.  No problem with that by itself, but see #2.
2.  Every line numbered.  Problem I've had here is (a) headers get 
the numbers, too, ...


I'm puzzled.  Are you using Insert | Header to create a real header?  
If so, I don't see that the header is included in line numbering.


That was a few versions of LO ago, so it might have been a 
version-specific glitch.  But yes, that's how I did it.





... and (b) numbering needs to start over on each page.


o Go to Tools | Line Numbering... and tick Show numbering.
o At the bottom, tick Restart every new page.

Thanks for this one.  I'm so used to turning numbering on with the icon 
that I didn't even think to look for a menu item to give me more options 
(I don't recall seeing the toolbar in the past, either, which also has 
this option).


Separate question about formatting the numbers, though.  I'm sure I'm 
missing something obvious, but I can't find anyplace to (a) eliminate 
the indent on the number, and (b) eliminate the period that follows.  
Best guess I have is that it's a combination of character and paragraph 
styles, but haven't found the magic combination, yet.  All I want is a 
number flush with the left margin, no punctuation.


3.  Need a hanging indent, for spoken lines that don't fit on one 
physical line, but need a tab within the indent (between the line 
number and the text) so the character's name can be inserted.


o Go to right-click | Edit Paragraph Style... | Indents  Spacing | 
Indent.

o Set Before text to some suitable positive value.
o Set First line to the corresponding negative value.

For each speech, type the character name, press Tab, and then type the 
speech text.  The Tab character will move the start of the text to the 
indented paragraph boundary.




I overlooked the obvious here -- put a tab character in the indent 
section, so in theory that's where typing will begin after the 
auto-number is followed by a tab character.  Just need to figure out the 
previous issue, now.



I trust this helps.



Everything helps -- we all need reminders now and then, and anything new 
is gravy!



Brian Barker




Dave


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style Question (Similar to Helen's, for Plays)

2013-06-26 Thread Dave Liesse
Disregard my comments about the number formatting.  I just learned the 
difference between line numbering and outline numbering!


Dave


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[libreoffice-users] Documentation of the architecture

2013-06-26 Thread Nuria Cotelo Varela
I'd like to familiarize myself with the architecture and design of
LibreOffice. I cannot find this type of documentation for LibreOffice.
Might you indicate me like obtain it?

Regards

Nuria CV

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[libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out?

2013-06-26 Thread Pedro
Hi Tim, all

In my opinion TDF got a bad deal with the PortableApps people...

They only create the versions they feel like and they drop a branch the
minute a new release is out from a newer branch. Even worse: they don't
listen to requests (maybe they don't have the manpower but they aren't
interested in voluntaries either...).

The guys at WinPenPack create a new portable versions at the same pace as
the regular LO. And they missed version 3.6.6 but listened to my request on
their Forum.

For someone working on QA it is essential to have the final version on each
branch. WinPenPack has all of them.

Another advantage is that you can run all versions simultaneously (if you
wish). The PortableApps version can not be executed while the installed
version is running (I can't remember if it even runs when another portable
version is running).

Finally the WinPenPack binaries seem to be somewhat optimized because they
run faster on slow computers (like my netbook).

Conclusion: I highly recommend X-LibreOffice ;)

http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/

BTW X-LibreOffice version 4.0.4 is available since June 19th...

Just my 2 cents ;)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Documentation of the architecture

2013-06-26 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
Hi Nuria

On 26/06/2013 at 23:21, Nuria Cotelo Varela nuriacotelovar...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 I'd like to familiarize myself with the architecture and design of
 LibreOffice. I cannot find this type of documentation for LibreOffice.
 Might you indicate me like obtain it?

Well, this is user support mailing list and most of use have very limited 
knowledge of programming.
I believe you would be better off asking at developers mailing list. Here are 
all necessary details:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out?

2013-06-26 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


Well, I do not really agree with the bad deal.

They need to spend their time converting the Windows version to the 
portable version.  It takes some time.  So they pick and choose which 
version they will send their time on.  LO 3.6.7 comes out soon, but they 
will not make that version, since the 4.0.x line is out.  When 4.1.x 
line comes out, they will be moving to that and not work any more on the 
previous line.


Sure, there are other portable software groups, but I only have dealt 
with the PortableApps group, since TDF deals with them.  If another 
group starts making a good version for LO, then maybe the Board might 
want to look at them as well.  For me, I just go with the current 
version that TDF/LO are listing on the download pages.


Why would you want to run a portable version of LO when you have one 
installed?


As for versions that are optimized for slower systems, well anyone who 
can deal with the compile/make process from the source code to binaries, 
can do some basic optimizing to a specific system. Sometimes it take a 
lot more.  Raspberry Pi developers have optimized LO to run better on 
their system than the standard 32-bit Debian install.


If you really think that TDF should look at the other portable app 
groups, then you need to bring it up to one of the Board members - and 
off the User list.  These types of discussions work best on the Discuss 
List or some other list instead of the User list.



On 06/26/2013 06:52 PM, Pedro wrote:

Hi Tim, all

In my opinion TDF got a bad deal with the PortableApps people...

They only create the versions they feel like and they drop a branch the
minute a new release is out from a newer branch. Even worse: they don't
listen to requests (maybe they don't have the manpower but they aren't
interested in voluntaries either...).

The guys at WinPenPack create a new portable versions at the same pace as
the regular LO. And they missed version 3.6.6 but listened to my request on
their Forum.

For someone working on QA it is essential to have the final version on each
branch. WinPenPack has all of them.

Another advantage is that you can run all versions simultaneously (if you
wish). The PortableApps version can not be executed while the installed
version is running (I can't remember if it even runs when another portable
version is running).

Finally the WinPenPack binaries seem to be somewhat optimized because they
run faster on slow computers (like my netbook).

Conclusion: I highly recommend X-LibreOffice ;)

http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/

BTW X-LibreOffice version 4.0.4 is available since June 19th...

Just my 2 cents ;)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out?

2013-06-26 Thread Virgil Arrington
This question makes me wonder, just why there are so many LO versions and 
frequent new releases. I can't keep up, and I find myself torn about 
upgrading. I want the latest and greatest, but I've had problems with newer 
versions resurrecting old bugs.


I'm sure there's an overriding philosophy that has been adopted, but I 
wonder if we might be better served with fewer new releases.


Apache seems to have taken quite the opposite approach with no new releases 
of AOO since its 3.4.1. Perhaps something somewhere between the two extremes 
might be nice.


Virgil



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To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming 
out?



Well, I do not really agree with the bad deal.

They need to spend their time converting the Windows version to the
portable version.  It takes some time.  So they pick and choose which
version they will send their time on.  LO 3.6.7 comes out soon, but they
will not make that version, since the 4.0.x line is out.  When 4.1.x
line comes out, they will be moving to that and not work any more on the
previous line.

Sure, there are other portable software groups, but I only have dealt
with the PortableApps group, since TDF deals with them.  If another
group starts making a good version for LO, then maybe the Board might
want to look at them as well.  For me, I just go with the current
version that TDF/LO are listing on the download pages.

Why would you want to run a portable version of LO when you have one
installed?

As for versions that are optimized for slower systems, well anyone who
can deal with the compile/make process from the source code to binaries,
can do some basic optimizing to a specific system. Sometimes it take a
lot more.  Raspberry Pi developers have optimized LO to run better on
their system than the standard 32-bit Debian install.

If you really think that TDF should look at the other portable app
groups, then you need to bring it up to one of the Board members - and
off the User list.  These types of discussions work best on the Discuss
List or some other list instead of the User list.


On 06/26/2013 06:52 PM, Pedro wrote:

Hi Tim, all

In my opinion TDF got a bad deal with the PortableApps people...

They only create the versions they feel like and they drop a branch the
minute a new release is out from a newer branch. Even worse: they don't
listen to requests (maybe they don't have the manpower but they aren't
interested in voluntaries either...).

The guys at WinPenPack create a new portable versions at the same pace as
the regular LO. And they missed version 3.6.6 but listened to my request 
on

their Forum.

For someone working on QA it is essential to have the final version on 
each

branch. WinPenPack has all of them.

Another advantage is that you can run all versions simultaneously (if you
wish). The PortableApps version can not be executed while the installed
version is running (I can't remember if it even runs when another portable
version is running).

Finally the WinPenPack binaries seem to be somewhat optimized because they
run faster on slow computers (like my netbook).

Conclusion: I highly recommend X-LibreOffice ;)

http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/

BTW X-LibreOffice version 4.0.4 is available since June 19th...

Just my 2 cents ;)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Need header outside right margin

2013-06-26 Thread William Drago

Hi Virgil,

Thank you for the detailed reply. I've been meaning to learn 
how to use styles, so I'll give this a try.


Regards,

-Bill

On 6/26/2013 7:55 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

William,

Your document would use page styles. The page style for 
the first page would not have any headers. Then the page 
style for the subsequent pages would have a header. You 
can then format the lines (paragraphs) within the header 
to any left and right margin you would like. (To have 
margins extend beyond the normal page margin, use negative 
numbers in your paragraph indent settings.)


To get to the page styles, make sure you're styles list is 
showing (press
F11 if it isn't). Then, at the top of the list are icons 
for (from left to right) paragraph styles, character 
styles, frame styles, and then page styles (it looks like 
a sheet of paper). Click on that icon to see a list of the 
page styles available for your document. You can then 
right click on any one of them to modify them or create 
new ones. At this point, it would be
best for you to experiment with the page styles yourself, 
creating new ones or modifying existing ones to get the 
result that you want. Take careful note of the option on 
the organizer tab for next style as it will show what 
page style will be used for the following page. Sometimes 
this can cause some frustration. Also, there is an option 
in the header tab to set
left and right margins. It may not allow negative margin 
settings here (I
just tried it and it ignored me), so you may need to set 
negative margins at the paragraph indent level rather than 
the header margin level.


It's all about learning to use styles, paragraph styles 
for paragraph level formatting and page styles for page 
level formatting. It's a pain to learn, and while you're 
learning you want to cuss out the LO developers, but once 
you learn it, you'll bless them as you'll be able to make 
your documents sing. The only way I know to learn is to 
experiment and play with them, creating your own styles 
along the way. I know its frustrating when all you want to 
do is finish the current project, but the more you learn 
now, the
more you'll be able to apply to future projects to make 
your work so much
quicker, automated, and consistent. It really is worth the 
effort.


What I find most interesting is the dark ages style of 
formatting papers that you've been handed, with paragraph 
indents measured in spaces and lines in terms of 
single double and triple spacing. Is this an 
Underwood we're using or a computer?


As long as we remain entrenched in a typewriter mentality 
(even though many of us have never typed a single letter 
on a typewriter), we will never learn the advanced 
capabilities of our computers, which act more like 
printing presses than typewriters.


Virgil


-Original Message- From: William Drago
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 6:01 AM
To: LibreOffice List
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Need header outside right margin

All,

I am working on a research paper. The required page layout
puts last name, working title, and page number in the upper
right hand corner of each page, outside the right hand 
margin.


It is similar to what is shown here, but has to appear on
every page, not just the first page, and has to be outside
the right margin and closer to the top of the page.

http://www15.uta.fi/FAST/PK6/CITEX/TRADMOD/trad-mla.html

How can this be done in LO Writer?

Thanks,
-Bill





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Need header outside right margin

2013-06-26 Thread William Drago
Well, I provided a bad example. What I'm being asked to do 
is pretty close to the latest format from MLA. The only 
difference is that outside the margin thing. I don't know 
where that's from, but that's what I have to do.


If I can't get styles to work, I'll try your technique.

Thanks,
-Bill

On 6/26/2013 1:19 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 06:01 26/06/2013 -0400, William Drago wrote:
I am working on a research paper. The required page 
layout puts last name, working title, and page number in 
the upper right hand corner of each page, outside the 
right hand margin.  It is similar to what is shown here, 
but has to appear on every page, not just the first page, 
and has to be outside the right margin and closer to the 
top of the page.


http://www15.uta.fi/FAST/PK6/CITEX/TRADMOD/trad-mla.html


Aargh!  To follow that, you might want to time-travel to 
the previous millennium and purchase a typewriter!



How can this be done in LO Writer?


Fairly easily, I think.  First, the page margins are the 
printing limits, so you need to set these wide enough to 
contain the extra material at the top of each page.  Now 
insert a header, using Insert | Header, and enter the 
required material.


Now your only problem is that you need the main text not 
to spread as far as your newly extended right margin.  
There are probably a number of ways to do that; the 
easiest may be to modify your paragraph style.  
Right-click in the text and go to Edit Paragraph Style... 
| Indents  Spacing | Indent and set the After text 
value to however much you extended the right margin to 
accommodate your header.  This will move the paragraph 
margin for all your text back to where you want it.  (This 
won't work if you have applied contradictory local 
paragraph formatting, of course.  If necessary, use Format 
| Default Formatting (or Ctrl+M) to remove this.)


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Need header outside right margin

2013-06-26 Thread Brian Barker

At 21:16 26/06/2013 -0400, William Drago wrote:
What I'm being asked to do is pretty close to the latest format from 
MLA. The only difference is that outside the margin thing. I don't 
know where that's from, but that's what I have to do.


If I can't get styles to work, I'll try your technique.


Actually, Regina Henschel's answer, sent after mine, is (not 
unusually) better than mine.

o Leave your main text alone, set up as you normally would.
o Create a header.
o Right-click in the header and select Edit Paragraph Style... | 
Indents  Spacing and set a suitable negative value for After text.
o Enter your header text and set it Align Right: it will spill over 
outside the page margins.


Remember that your page margins need to be sufficiently narrow that 
the outdented header text is still within your (or your examiner's) 
printer's actual capabilities.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out?

2013-06-26 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)  
+1
Well, something similar.  

Sometimes an entire branch goes by without my having installed and used any in 
it.  The 3.4.x and 3.6.x passed me by almost completely.  I keep meaning to 
join in with QA early in a branch's release-cycle but typically end up 
installing about half-way through.  Usually around the x.x.4 which is typically 
where it becomes a lot more stable.  Somewhat unusually I managed to get the 
4.0.1 onto all the machines at work but that was very exceptional.  

I suspect the 4.1.0 is going to be very stable too as a lot of people have done 
a lot of great work in the QA competition that is still going on.  

Debian make the mistake of having only their old versions declared officially 
stable.  Some other projects do  something similar.  It makes them feel old and 
stale.  Ubuntu put extra effort into a big new LTS release every 2 years and 
makes sure there is always plenty of exciting new features, ultra latest 
versions of programs and some complete overhaul of something.  Then for 3 years 
(now 5) afterwards they ensure that all bug-patches, fixes and security updates 
are back-ported to the LTSes.  It gives corporate users confidence in the 
system.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Thursday, 27 June 2013, 1:45
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming out?
 

This question makes me wonder, just why there are so many LO versions and 
frequent new releases. I can't keep up, and I find myself torn about 
upgrading. I want the latest and greatest, but I've had problems with newer 
versions resurrecting old bugs.

I'm sure there's an overriding philosophy that has been adopted, but I 
wonder if we might be better served with fewer new releases.

Apache seems to have taken quite the opposite approach with no new releases 
of AOO since its 3.4.1. Perhaps something somewhere between the two extremes 
might be nice.

Virgil



-Original Message- 
From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 8:19 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: any word about 4.0.4 portable coming 
out?


Well, I do not really agree with the bad deal.

They need to spend their time converting the Windows version to the
portable version.  It takes some time.  So they pick and choose which
version they will send their time on.  LO 3.6.7 comes out soon, but they
will not make that version, since the 4.0.x line is out.  When 4.1.x
line comes out, they will be moving to that and not work any more on the
previous line.

Sure, there are other portable software groups, but I only have dealt
with the PortableApps group, since TDF deals with them.  If another
group starts making a good version for LO, then maybe the Board might
want to look at them as well.  For me, I just go with the current
version that TDF/LO are listing on the download pages.

Why would you want to run a portable version of LO when you have one
installed?

As for versions that are optimized for slower systems, well anyone who
can deal with the compile/make process from the source code to binaries,
can do some basic optimizing to a specific system. Sometimes it take a
lot more.  Raspberry Pi developers have optimized LO to run better on
their system than the standard 32-bit Debian install.

If you really think that TDF should look at the other portable app
groups, then you need to bring it up to one of the Board members - and
off the User list.  These types of discussions work best on the Discuss
List or some other list instead of the User list.


On 06/26/2013 06:52 PM, Pedro wrote:
 Hi Tim, all

 In my opinion TDF got a bad deal with the PortableApps people...

 They only create the versions they feel like and they drop a branch the
 minute a new release is out from a newer branch. Even worse: they don't
 listen to requests (maybe they don't have the manpower but they aren't
 interested in voluntaries either...).

 The guys at WinPenPack create a new portable versions at the same pace as
 the regular LO. And they missed version 3.6.6 but listened to my request 
 on
 their Forum.

 For someone working on QA it is essential to have the final version on 
 each
 branch. WinPenPack has all of them.

 Another advantage is that you can run all versions simultaneously (if you
 wish). The PortableApps version can not be executed while the installed
 version is running (I can't remember if it even runs when another portable
 version is running).

 Finally the WinPenPack binaries seem to be somewhat optimized because they
 run faster on slow computers (like my netbook).

 Conclusion: I highly recommend X-LibreOffice ;)

 http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/

 BTW X-LibreOffice version 4.0.4 is available since June 19th...

 Just my 2 cents ;)



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