Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] Serious problems with Insert Movie and Sound... on MAC OS X 2 bugs.

2013-02-10 Thread V Stuart Foote
Declan,

Saw your bugs when you filed them the first time and also the email to the
forum.

One thing that is very helpful is if in your ML exchanges regards bugzilla
reporting your include your  bug ID.

Yours are:

fdo#60218 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60218   for Writer
text wrapping
fdo#60228 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60228   for
Writer/Impress non-playing videos
fdo#60229 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60229  for
BUGZILLAASSISTANT use with Safari - OSX  10.6.8 SnowLeopard

All well written with exception that you did not identify what version of  
OS X and hardware.

Your fdo#60228 is a know issue duplicating   fdo#56847
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56847  , so yours will
probably be closed and merged.

I have confirmed your fdo#60218 as also valid on Windows 7 64-bit under
LibreOffice 4.0.0

Please respond to any dev requests regards any of the bugs, and always
appropriate to refine your submissions with additional details as you think
of them or find work arounds.

Stuart



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RE: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document

2013-02-10 Thread V Stuart Foote

 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60390

Comment # 2 on bug 60390 from V Stuart Foote

Also, confirm that ref file will not open in Windows build of LibreOffice 4.0.0
rc3. But on same system it will open in Office 2007 with no issue. And
interestingly will also open in an Apache OpenOffice Dev 4.0 build (r1441343).

So something in this .DOC MS Office 97-2003 formated file is now being
mishandled by LibO. Changning to NEEDINFO as devs are going to need log details
of what is causing the hang up.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Accessibility issues - BLIND USER

2013-02-20 Thread V Stuart Foote
Wes,

Good luck, and thanks for being a friend... I'll mention that now because
you are in for a ride ;-)

The Java Accessibility API on Windows via the Java Access Bridge (JAB)
connector to LibreOffice/ApacheOpenOffice UNO Accessibility API has fidelity
problems for Assistive Technology like  the JAWS screen reader or the open
source NVDA project by NV Access.

The current JAB bridge, v2.0.3 on Java  JDK 7 and the JRE 1.7u  6,  has
been rendered non-functional by an Oracle design flaw, so we are advising
folks to  stay with Java JDK 6 and JRE 1.6u41 and JAB v2.0.2

Details for that are in this LibreOffice wiki  Faq/General/a11y/Java
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java  

Dependency on the Java Accessibility API for Windows will be eliminated by
implementation of a native IAccessible2 bridge to the UNO Accessibility API
of LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice.  IBM implemented an IAccessible2
bridge in its Lotus Symphony product, the current version of which, v3.0.1 
can still be downloaded for free use. IBM is still supporting the product
which received a fix-pack in November 2012.  

You can  download IBM Lotus Symphony from links on this set of release notes
http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/help.nsf/ReleaseNotes?OpenFormversion=3.0.1
 
, but also obtain and apply the fix-packs. Unfortunately these are difficult
downloads to navigate, so as @Tanstaafl suggests your best bet would be a
remote desktop capability to assist your friend with setup and maintenance.

IBM  contributed the source code for Symphony through v3, to the Apache
Foundation and its developers are working on the Apache OpenOffice project
to integrate many components of the Symphony product including its
IAccessible2 implementation. An ongoing development branch is in QA testing
of AT function and that IAccessible2  code will be merged with the main
build at some point.   And it is likely that LibreOffice will integrate some
form of the Apache OpenOffice IAccessible2 bridge at some point--but that
work has not yet started.

For now, the *cross-platform* office suite choices are to stay with a 32-bit
JRE 1.6 and  JAB v2.0.2 installation--use the JWin installer as noted on the
wiki page and LibreOffice 4.0.1 or Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1.  They have
comparable levels of support for Assistive Technology.  Or to install Lotus
Symphony for a notably better IAccessible2 screen reader AT.

And of course a mix of JAWS, or  NVDA, and Microsoft's User Interface
Automation and SAPI 5.4 does provide very good AT when used with a Microsoft
Office Product. So the ribbon GUI can be tamed--then just an issue of cost
and effort and whether you can stomach a Microsoft centric solution.

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] Re: promotion possibility for LibO

2013-02-25 Thread V Stuart Foote
rosttyo wrote
 Can this be forwarded to our marketing people to possibly use
   this for promotion?

@rossttyo,

Sure, but not clear what you are suggesting. LibreOffice's import of SVG has
been very good since at least the 3.3 builds and fidelity to standards when
editing imported SVG in Draw is still improving.

You may want to work a bit in a current LibreOffice build  with images from
the Open Clipart site. You'll find that ALL LibreOffice components will
correctly import and render the SVG to bitmap directly.  And  you'll find
that Draw can directly open for edit these SVGs with some loss of
format--mainly with transparency issues.

Admittedly it would be nice to natively work/save in SVG rather than using
export from Draw ODG. But, then I would probably be using the FOSS  Inkscape
http://inkscape.org  project if I were doing any substantive vector art
work as SVG.

So what is it you were suggesting that LiberOffice Marketing promote regards
this stale OpenOffice era blurb?

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] Re: promotion possibility for LibO

2013-02-26 Thread V Stuart Foote
ROSt52,

Ok, understand your intent a little better. The text you found is a *very*
outdated FAQ entry on the OpenClipArt Library (OCAL) project.  Here is a 
valid link
http://openclipart.org/faq#How_can_I_use_these_images_in_OpenOffice.org.3F 
.

It should be updated, as the support for SVG graphics in LibreOffice and
Apache OpenOffice pretty much being maintained on a common code base by its
primary developer Armin Le-Grand, a contributor to both projects.  The FAQ
usage details for both office products could be the same text.

But, as Tom suggests,  to have the FAQ entry corrected, someone on the OCAL
project will have to be contacted.  They look to have an active mailing
list, at   http://freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart
http://freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart  --suggestion for an edit
would not need to come from TDF LibreOffice Marketing, so feel free.

Imagine on the LO side, we should give a nod to the great work and resources
available for use from OCAL. 

Stuart



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RE: [libreoffice-users] new version of LO gives gibberish for excel file.

2013-03-01 Thread V Stuart Foote
Opens flawlessly with LO 4.0.1 rc1 on Win7, 64bit

From: David B Teague sr [davidbtea...@comporium.net]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 8:18 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] new version of LO gives gibberish for excel file.

Hi
I just downloaded an excel file from
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=205
The file is the excel version of Historical Source of Revenue as Share
of GDP.
The newest, recommended version of LO opens the file as gibberish:
LibreOffice Version 3.6.5.2 (Build ID: 5b93205)

My system runs Windows 7, 64 bit, AMD quad core, 4 GB RAM.

Can anyone explain or help me fix this?

A workaround is to fetch MS' Excel Viewer, then copy from that to a
table in Writer for my document, but I would prefer to use LO for as
nearly everything as possible.

Warmest Regards
David Teague

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Java dependencies

2013-03-11 Thread V Stuart Foote
To add  to Tom's comments.  

For now, the Java Access Bridge and a JRE provide ALL accessibility support for 
the Windows builds.  Will eventually change with likely implementation of an 
IAccessible2 native bridge (fdo#39956) to the UNO Accessibility API. But for 
now Java remains a requirement.

Stuart



From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:06 AM
To: Florian Effenberger; market...@global.libreoffice.org; 
users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Java dependencies

Hi :)
It's still Base and some Wizards and some Extensions.  Something like 12% of 
the code is written in Java but it's in those areas that people rarely use.

Base can mostly be used without needing Java but only if you use an external 
back-end rather than the in-built one.  I think the Report builder still would 
need it but Base experts seem to be advising people to avoid that anyway.  The 
internal back-end is HsqlDb which runs on Java even if you use the much more 
up-to-date version from their website as an external back-end.  There are other 
smaller faster ones for small amounts of data.  HsqlDb seems to be the best of 
those even though it depends on Java.  Non-java ones tend to be better for 
large amounts of data and include Postgresql and MySql / MariaDb.  These last 3 
seem to be the most frequently recommended by the Base Experts.

I've forwarded this to the Users List because there are quite a few Base 
Experts there that might be able to correct me if i'm wrong or just generally 
be a bit more helpful than i've been.
Regards from
Tom :)





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To: market...@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Monday, 11 March 2013, 13:59
Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Java dependencies

Hello,

I have a journalist's inquiry on Java dependencies in LibreOffice. Anyone can 
tell the exact components that do not work without Java installed in 4.0? From 
what I recall, Base and some wizards, but I'm not really up to date here...

Thanks,
Florian

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[libreoffice-users] Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\

2013-03-13 Thread V Stuart Foote
Bug fdo#62303 ( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62303 ) has been 
submitted as an enhancement request to adjust the installation folder on 
Windows to a non-versioned folder e.g. C:\Program Files\LibreOffice\

Brief discussion on Discuss ( 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Install-path-for-LibreOffice-under-Windows-tp4041530.html
 ) but as we're asking to expedite this adjustment for a 4.0.3 build. solicit 
users and devs lists for any substantive reasons NOT to proceed.

Advantage of placing into a non-versioned installation folder for Windows OS is 
that established configurations and function of 3rd party extensions will 
remain intact across version upgrades.

Expect minimal impact on installation or bundled extensions and Windows 
registry and LibreOffice registry and user profile.  Potential impact on 
migrating user profiles during upgrade, and possibly on 3rd party extensions.

Comments? Substantive objections?



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RE: [libreoffice-users] Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\

2013-03-13 Thread V Stuart Foote
Dan,

Would cause no change for Windows OS installations.  You'd still have to do 
msiexec.exe /A administrative installation each of which registers its own 
LibreOffice user profile and minimal Windows registry entries. So, you can have 
one full installation,  and multiple functional but not fully integrated 
/Administrative installations. Just as it has been.

Stuart

From: Dan Lewis [elderdanle...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:07 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default   
install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\

On 03/13/2013 10:26 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
 Bug fdo#62303 ( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62303 ) has been 
 submitted as an enhancement request to adjust the installation folder on 
 Windows to a non-versioned folder e.g. C:\Program Files\LibreOffice\

 Brief discussion on Discuss ( 
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Install-path-for-LibreOffice-under-Windows-tp4041530.html
  ) but as we're asking to expedite this adjustment for a 4.0.3 build. solicit 
 users and devs lists for any substantive reasons NOT to proceed.

 Advantage of placing into a non-versioned installation folder for Windows OS 
 is that established configurations and function of 3rd party extensions will 
 remain intact across version upgrades.

 Expect minimal impact on installation or bundled extensions and Windows 
 registry and LibreOffice registry and user profile.  Potential impact on 
 migrating user profiles during upgrade, and possibly on 3rd party extensions.

 Comments? Substantive objections?
  Just a question: How will this change affect installing multiple
versions of LibreOffice?

--Dan

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\

2013-03-13 Thread V Stuart Foote
The Wiki notes on doing the administrative installation are at this link., 
Along with  a link to Florian Reisinger's LibreOffice Server Installation GUI  
extension for doing parallel administrative installs while avoiding Windows 
command line and msiexec.exe.  Currently for Windows OS's only.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Administrativ_Installation:

Florian will have to address any issues of a non-versioned default installation 
folder on his installer extension. But should not be much of a problem.

Stuart

From: V Stuart Foote
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:15 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set   default 
install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\

Dan,

Would cause no change for Windows OS installations.  You'd still have to do 
msiexec.exe /A administrative installation each of which registers its own 
LibreOffice user profile and minimal Windows registry entries. So, you can have 
one full installation,  and multiple functional but not fully integrated 
/Administrative installations. Just as it has been.

Stuart

From: Dan Lewis [elderdanle...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:07 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default   
install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\

On 03/13/2013 10:26 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
 Bug fdo#62303 ( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62303 ) has been 
 submitted as an enhancement request to adjust the installation folder on 
 Windows to a non-versioned folder e.g. C:\Program Files\LibreOffice\

 Brief discussion on Discuss ( 
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Install-path-for-LibreOffice-under-Windows-tp4041530.html
  ) but as we're asking to expedite this adjustment for a 4.0.3 build. solicit 
 users and devs lists for any substantive reasons NOT to proceed.

 Advantage of placing into a non-versioned installation folder for Windows OS 
 is that established configurations and function of 3rd party extensions will 
 remain intact across version upgrades.

 Expect minimal impact on installation or bundled extensions and Windows 
 registry and LibreOffice registry and user profile.  Potential impact on 
 migrating user profiles during upgrade, and possibly on 3rd party extensions.

 Comments? Substantive objections?
  Just a question: How will this change affect installing multiple
versions of LibreOffice?

--Dan

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[libreoffice-users] RE: Bug 62303 - Enhancement request: Set default install folder under Windows to \LibreOffice\

2013-03-14 Thread V Stuart Foote
The enhancement was discussed at ESC mtg  today (
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-td4043820.html ) 

Install directory to be adjusted to LibreOffce 4,  rather than dropping
numbered versioning completely as proposed.

Also won't adopt for 4.0.3, so soonest implementation will be at 4.1.0 RC1

Stuart



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RE: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.1 error no suitable windowing system found, exiting.

2013-03-14 Thread V Stuart Foote
Known issue that has been fixed in 4.0.2, work around with yum -y install 
libpng12
See https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61571 for details.

Stuart


From: Scott Castaline [skotch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:03 PM
To: LibreOffice Users Group
Subject: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.1 error no suitable windowing system 
found, exiting.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Just installed Fedora 18 and tried to install LO 4.0.1. When I try to
start LO I get the following error, no suitable windowing system
found, exiting. Google only shows some really old complaints of this
dating back to 2009. None of the fixes apply to these versions (Fedora
or LO). I can run the version from Fedora's repo which is 3.6.x, but I
want to get 4.x.x running I was able to run it on my Fedora 17 system,
anyone have any other ideas that I could try?



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RE: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.1 error no suitable windowing system found, exiting.

2013-03-14 Thread V Stuart Foote
Sorry, should have added that it is in the release notes 
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0#Most_Annoying_Bugs ). 

Also, that you can also download and install 4.0.2 rc1 
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/rpm/  which is probably the 
better way to go.

Stuart

From: V Stuart Foote
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:29 PM
To: Scott Castaline; LibreOffice Users Group
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.1 error no suitable windowing  system 
found, exiting.

Known issue that has been fixed in 4.0.2, work around with yum -y install 
libpng12
See https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61571 for details.

Stuart


From: Scott Castaline [skotch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:03 PM
To: LibreOffice Users Group
Subject: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.1 error no suitable windowing system 
found, exiting.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Just installed Fedora 18 and tried to install LO 4.0.1. When I try to
start LO I get the following error, no suitable windowing system
found, exiting. Google only shows some really old complaints of this
dating back to 2009. None of the fixes apply to these versions (Fedora
or LO). I can run the version from Fedora's repo which is 3.6.x, but I
want to get 4.x.x running I was able to run it on my Fedora 17 system,
anyone have any other ideas that I could try?



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[libreoffice-users] RE: Libre Office 4 and MS Sysprep

2013-03-14 Thread V Stuart Foote
John,

Hmm, not sure that in Windows 7 using Sysprep and using WAIK to prepare a 
CopyProfile=true  Specialize stanza into a filename.xml reliably overwrites 
the default user run from any user other than the Administrator account running 
in Audit mode.

Not sure what happens with file associations and per program user 
configurations if you use an account other than Administrator in Audit mode.   
But my sysprep.exe /generalize /oobe /unattend:filename.xml  SYSPREPs prior to 
image capture seems to behave pretty well with customizations done in audit 
mode being copied into a new default user profile and apps running correctly. 
Only a few issues with occasional linkage to 
C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming for program configuration and temp 
space--but not LibreOffice.

I've had no problems with desktop icons placed on the C:\Users\Public\Desktop

On the file association side, I don't deploy with LibreOffice set as default 
for anything but its native ODF formats, so I can't comment there about 
SYSPREPs impact, not too surprised  if MS allows SYSPREP to clobber some file 
associations. And, there are continuing problems with the LibreOffice file 
associations that make the whole issue kind of dicey.  We have an enhancement 
request in place for a File Association Manager for Windows builds of 
LibreOffice (fdo#44462 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44462 )

Stuart





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Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office 4 and MS Sysprep

I have created an image of Windows 7 x64 and LO4 using sysprep. Sysprep is 
setup to copy the current user to the default profile yet all preconfigured 
settings are gone and desktop icons have disappeared when the system comes back 
up. Other desktop icons/settings make it through this process fine but Libre 
seems to revert to a generic default install. Is this by design or are there 
special steps I need to take during the sysprep process?

Basically what I would like is for all LO programs to have their default save 
type as their Microsoft equivalents and icons on the desktop already setup in 
the default user so that whoever logs in is basically ready to go. I know LO 
pushes ODF but until we get a larger portion of our population changed over 
this is the most realistic for us. Any help would be great!

Thanks,
John

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice

2013-03-18 Thread V Stuart Foote
Tom,

No typo, http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/

Yes it is a nod to Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land...

Stuart  


From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:56 AM
To: michael.me...@suse.com
Cc: LibreOffice Users
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice

Hi :)
Thanks for the answer.  I think the question was beyond the scope of the Users 
List and i don't know if anyone got around to pointing the person to the devs 
lists.

Err, was there a slight typo in the last paragraph?  Seems like grep got typed 
as grok?
which you can grok for user-visible strings
Perhaps would have been more generic as look for?

Regards from
Tom :)



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To: Stephen Morris samor...@netspace.net.au
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 11:54
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice

    In general - if you want to go from the UI - the source code, you need
to go via the .src files - which you can grok for user-visible strings,
and then look for the defined names of those in the .hrc files - which
are shared between resources and C++ and hence into the relevant source
code and down to a widget.






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[libreoffice-users] Re: Hyperlink Bug in calc - bug 62289

2013-03-18 Thread V Stuart Foote
Actually the bug is exactly as described. Testing with LibreOffice 4.0.2 rc1

The problem is in interpreting an incomplete hyper link.

1) If the complete hyper link is entered Sheet 2.A2 it becomes #Sheet 2.A2
And movement to that sheet and cell is reliable.

2) If you insert the hyperlink without the cell reference, e.g. #Sheet 2, 
it takes you that sheet but looks to retain the last cell referenced, i.e.
the landing cell is erratic.

3) And if as Tanstaafl reports in  fdo#62289
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62289   even if you use the
GUI and select the numbers only page name, e.g. 3 so hyperlink is #3 ,the
link is interpreted incorrectly and you remain on the same page--and
apparently in that numbered row.

So there is definitely an issue with the Target in Document GUI picker
allowing an incomplete hyper link. Or equally an inconsistent
parser/handling logic for incomplete hyperlink targets--would think that
absent a complete hyperlink target, the parser should identify the sheet and
default to a consistent cell--A1 I would imagine.

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing multiple versions of LibreOffice

2013-03-18 Thread V Stuart Foote
Detailed instructions are at this project Wiki:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Linux




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Development of Extensions for LibreOffice

2013-03-19 Thread V Stuart Foote
Tom,

Rather a substantive response to Steve's month long effort to get an
Extension or feature delveloped for calc over on the devs list.  Basically
telling him that he can't get there from here using an IDE like Eclipse--
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-libreoffice-users-Development-of-Extensions-for-LibreOffice-tp4035059.html

And I'll disagree on the where to post. He is an ambitious programmer and
clearly Steve's question would have played better from the start back in
February on the devs list where, if worded correctly, he would have been set
straight by the first answers--nobody attempts to use Eclipse for
LibreOffice development because it won't work RELIABLY. The UNO core code
base is just too unwieldy for an IDE to handle the full project.

Stuart



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RE: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4 paragraph marks, etc.

2013-03-21 Thread V Stuart Foote
Paul,

You should get functions you need from the Edit - Find  Replace - More 
Options - Regular Expressions check box.

You'll match your Paragraph ends with $.  And replace/manipulate against this 
List of Regular Expressions: 
https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/List_of_Regular_Expressions

Stuart


From: Paul Schmidt [p...@unam.mx]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:24 PM

 there is one thing I use Word for quite often, and I cannot replicate it 
 here, although the manual seems to imply I can. That is using find/replace to 
 make changes to paragraph marks, new line marks, and tabs to format various 
 types of documents in order to be able to import them into a FileMaker 
 database. Feor the paragraph mark I have played around with $, ^., and 
 \n, but no luck. I use a Mac running Snow Leopard. What am I not 
 understanding?


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[libreoffice-users] Re: File associations for MSO to LibreOffice -- Win8

2013-04-04 Thread V Stuart Foote
Actually already an established enhancement request with proper priority and
substantive discussion, fdo#63109 has been merged.

See:
Bug 44462 - Provide a proper 'File Association Manager' for the windows
version of Libreoffice https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44462  



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Find Replace and \t expression [Writer]

2013-04-05 Thread V Stuart Foote

As Gordom has found OpenOffice regular expression handling in Find/Replace 
is a little weird, full function in find but a bit limited in the replace.
But it all functions well enough once you get past the warts.

I think the best write up still lies with the Apache OpenOffice project
wiki:

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Regular_Expressions_in_Writer



 



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc sheet freezing

2013-04-05 Thread V Stuart Foote
Several ways of answering this come to mind, but I'll go with the gentler
tact.

You have some questions to ask yourself (and your collaborators).

What is your desired end use--will this Excel 2003 spread sheet continue to
be used on Excel 2003?

If not will your use be exclusively on LibreOffice or a mix of Apache
OpenOffice and LibreOffice?

Do you or some number of your users understand what data is being charted
and how? Are you (they) familiar with both the Microsoft macros and the
LibreOffice macros?

Where I'm going is that depending on your intended use, you will need to
--port-- the spread sheet either for use in calc.  But likely for use in
Excel 2007, or  2010 or 2012-- there is that much variation in the macro
scripting between the Microsoft products.

Sorry, but without seeing the function and logic of your existing spread
sheet, the most we'll be able to do is suggest steps in doing a port.





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[libreoffice-users] Re: How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-25 Thread V Stuart Foote
Bill,

If you can't find your issue--please open a bug report against UI.  LO Draw
object pasted into Writer document is not retained, auto-save issue?   And
provide full details about OS and LibreOffice version and the file formats
your are working in. Provide  exact steps to reproduce using Draw and
Writer. And even to avoid with auto-save turned off.  Also, post up some
sample documents.

Here is a more complete FDO Bugzilla query to look at existing issues, as
you can see handling of pictures and drawings (previews and OLE objects
included) is an ongoing challenge for development and QA:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=RESOLVEDbug_status=VERIFIEDbug_status=CLOSEDbug_status=NEEDINFObug_status=PLEASETESTcomponent=Writerproduct=LibreOfficequery_format=advancedshort_desc=drawing%20drawings%20picture%20picturesshort_desc_type=anywordssubstrorder=bug_idquery_based_on=

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[libreoffice-users] Re: New bug 64028: Calc forgets cell format when cell is cut (^X)

2013-04-29 Thread V Stuart Foote
Not clear if you are concerned with formatting of the source cell (which
would be cleared bya  Ctrl+X) or with the formatting of the pasted cell
which with Ctrl+V will paste formatting with default settings but could be
set other than default.

Suspect all is functioning as designed.  Please see comments to  fdo#64028
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64028   and respond there.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Crashing OOo Creating Dialogs in the IDE

2013-05-01 Thread V Stuart Foote
Andrew,

Here is the link to download prior versions  libreoffice/old
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/  . With a
couple of exceptions the x.x.x.2 are the rc2 that become final for each
build.

So do you think there was a bug--or not?  As LibreOffice diverges from
Apache Open Office, issues of Macros and support for scripting environments
is evolving. No specifics, but would not be surprised by something being
done to enhance Python could impact StarBase.

So if you think there was an issue go ahead and post up your bug report,
even though it has seemed to resolve, that way there is a permanent record
if there really is an issue with active macros or with complex document
formats like your text.

For what it  is worth, I grabbed a current copy of your OOME_30.odt and had
it open in a current Apache OpenOffice build AOO400m1(Build:9700)  -  Rev.
1463876, Rev.1448553, and it crashed there, so who knows.

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Crashing OOo Creating Dialogs in the IDE

2013-05-01 Thread V Stuart Foote
Sorry, of course that should have read StarBasic.  And also that I had the
crash while in the Tools/Macro Organize IDE.

And for Johnny, another non-response to the list, or did you mean to just PM
Andrew this time? ;-)




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Terrible problem with LibreOffice Word

2013-05-02 Thread V Stuart Foote
Here are the LibreOffice specific reqular expressions and use cases:

 https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/List_of_Regular_Expressions




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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread V Stuart Foote
From: Ken Springer [snowsh...@q.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 7:49 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46986

Will wonders never cease... The first one has been assigned to someone.

Actually,  FDO bug 44871 has been assigned since the date it was submitted 
during QA bug triage.  But that means exactly squat since Cedric did not assign 
himself (indicating he accepted and was working on it).

Assignment is just not a tool that has a lot of meaning in the LibreOffice 
project (and most other FOSS) because, as has been mentioned, development and 
quashing of bugs is driven by the interests of the respective developers. Some 
developers will assign to themselves, some will not--personal choice.

Maybe there's hope after all, as I've got a list from long ago that I
never bothered to file as these were never addressed and assigned, so I
never bothered.

Can't help but notice that in the ensuing time you have moved from OSX 10.6.8  
to your current 10.8.3 build, yet YOU have not filed additional updates or 
status regards either issue.   Truth is issues with OSX builds require a lot of 
care and feeding given the rapid changes to Apples APIs.  If you want things 
fixed you have to be engaged and nurture the issues you raise.   Please take 
the time to research the FDO Bugzilla ( 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/query.cgi?format=advancedproduct=LibreOffice ) 
and if not already identified, submit as new issues items from your list. 

You should have a look at the OSX issues meta bug 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42082 and you'll get some idea.

Regarding  fdo#44871, the labeling as Distribute Rows Equally is clearly wrong. 
  Its function is documented as Space Rows Equally --  Adjusts the height of 
the selected rows to match the height of the tallest row in the selection, 
which it does.   So what you were really asking for is an enhancement.  Which 
as was pointed out in comments to 44871 would receive the best review on the 
UX-Advise list.  Did you follow up there?  Just looked and saw no record.

So, I've opened a new enhancement request in fdo#64242 and asked the UX-Advise 
list for discussion--essentially for handling Table columns and rows the UX is 
a bit muddled between Distribute and Equal Spacing actions.

Stuart

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread V Stuart Foote
Tom,

Were you thinking of this?

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Microfund-your-favourite-Issue-tc4035685.html#none

Stuart


From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 4:10 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

Hi :)
A couple of months ago someone gave an excellent link to a place where you 
could 'vote' on what you want some free-lance devs to work on and assign a 
value of cash you would pay of they fixed it.  Typical amounts would be around 
1 beer in a pub but some people were putting quite large amounts down.  
Sometimes a few different people would put small amounts for the same thing so 
the dev would get several beers or even enough for something useful like rent 
or a new power-supply, or keyboard or something.


Of course some of the devs do get paid anyway because some do work for large 
organisations and get paid to work on LO as part of that but then it's probably 
for doing something they are ordered to work on.  So, if they got an extra 
boost from the voting thing then they deserve it too.


Can anyone remember the link or know of something similar?

Regards from

Tom :)







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To: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 9:35
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles


Dear Ken,

could you please post numbers of these bugs here? The topic sounds to be
interesting
Thanks
Milos

Dňa 05.05.2013 00:32, Ken Springer wrote / napísal(a):
 As I noted in private email, LO still has not assigned two bugs I
 filed to anyone yet.  They are classified a low priority.  As I
 mentioned, the issues are *not* low priority to me, so if they don't
 want to fix them, I'll pay for a program where the developers do care
 to fix the low priority issues.


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-06 Thread V Stuart Foote
From: Miroslaw Zalewski [mini...@poczta.onet.pl]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:25 AM

In open source world, you are supposed to scratch your own itch (that is: send
patches or hire someone to do it for you). If you can't or are unable to, then
you might be better off somewhere else.

This is one of reasons why Linux and other open source apps never really get
substantial share of desktop market. Most desktop users can't scratch their
own itch, so they leave.

+1


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Arabesque font that is really English

2013-05-08 Thread V Stuart Foote
LOL...

Have a look at Rage Italic ( Ron Zwingelberg, ttf from Microsoft), or Gabriola 
Regular (J. Hudson, ttf from Microsoft) you should have both on a Windows PC 
with MS Office installed.

Stuart

From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:03 AM
To: Kracked_P_P---webmaster; Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Arabesque font that is really English

Hi :)
I have a good Arabic font but it's in Arabic.  I've got to get a poster 
together for an Arabic ladies coffee morning and having trouble finding a font 
that looks vaguely Arabic but is in fact English.  DOes anyone know of a good 
free one?
Regards from

Tom :)

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread V Stuart Foote

+1
From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM

   top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post
... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post
...
   one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit;
  one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing
on what's gone before, then merely scroll down.

   Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite
simple;
   oh, windows could be rolled up  down in a car whenever;
   then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the
engine was running  ;-)

+2

;-)
Stuart


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread V Stuart Foote
Gosh @anne-ology,

Formatting of your posts are always sooo far out there, i.e. off standards, I 
figured to give you a nod with the top posted and right justified +1, and a 
centered +2--although if I'd been thinking sharply enough I'd have made it a 
+2¢--because I love the car window analogy.

Stuart



From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 9:32 AM
To: V Stuart Foote
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

   +2  ???  ;-)

   2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits, a dollar ... all for ___, stand up and holler!
   well, my mind wanders  ;-)




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RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators

2013-05-08 Thread V Stuart Foote

Top post, bottom post, interspersed --- it is all pretty much the same in the 
end for delivering and exchanging information. 

But what REALLY makes a difference in effort for recipients and for following 
the thread is simply trimming the response--by hand, or allowing your favorite 
news reader or email client to do it.

The need is especially notable if you review threads on Nabble archive--this 
thread for example: 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Seeking-for-list-moderators-tp4053736.html

Stuart 

From: felmon davis [moelmoel2...@gmail.com] on behalf of Felmon Davis 
[dav...@union.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:04 AM
On Wed, 8 May 2013, Dries Feys wrote:

 All,

 Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to
 click  scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a
 message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as
 bottom posting in my compose window.

 Sorry for the inconvenience...

it is inconvenient but so is the way gmail sets things up; I think
some other email clients do the same.

if I were using gmail, I also would probably top-post because it's one
degree of inconvenience against another.

I think trying to _write_ bottom-posting when the email program
resists it is more difficult than trying to _read_ bottom-posting.

(I'm not a dogmatist; I'm a pragmatist.)

 Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

mit herzlichen grüssen!

F.

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread V Stuart Foote
From: Wolfgang Keller [felip...@gmx.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:42 AM
 Just a quick question - when on this list (users), shouldn't we keep
 the sender's email in the To / Cc list when we reply-all

No.

 in case they haven't subscribed to the list (which makes sense if
 they're just looking for support and not for helping others out).

A mailinglist allowing messages from non-subscribers is imho
mis-configured.

That is correct! Anything else would be a recipe for spam--non-subscribed users 
are be moderated through if the message merits--often with a personal note 
back from the moderator on how to subscribe.

 The reason I am asking this is because sometimes I see people
 replying to just the users list,

That's the correct way to do it. No dis-courtesy copies. Never.

+1
By replying directly to user, you are implying that you are taking response 
off list--please do so if that is your intent, i.e. to criticize or guide 
so as not to embarrass other subscribers don't need or want to see that. 
Otherwise the netiquette is to address discussion for the list to read--and 
keep response civil.

So, use the respond to all option of your email reader of choice, it SHOULD 
pick up the mail list address.  Delete the other direct addresses.  And 
finally TRIM away any of the extra crud in the message.  Leave just enough for 
the message to stand on its own, but not be distracting either to read--or when 
viewed in context in a News group reader or a web archive like Nabble.

Stuart

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread V Stuart Foote
chimak111 wrote
 
 M Henri Day wrote
 In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that
 interested
 parties can see the reply ?...
 
 Henri
 Hi, I got an answer from Christian Lohmaier in that other thread. His
 reply is here: 
 http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05868.html
 You should be able to access that link from your browser without any
 problem. But just to be safe, I will forward his answer to you :)

Actually,  both threads are available for review in full at Nabble.

This from the Users mail list at--
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Why-such-large-svg-files-in-LibreOffice-Linux-tp4056944.html

And the other response from the Design mail lists at--
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Size-of-LibreOffice-svg-files-tp4057288.html

The Document Foundation maintains the Nabble archive because it is very
efficient in keeping the mail lists organized and accessible to all
interested users.  It has a fairly robust search capability. And, the Nabble
service also brokers subscription to the respective lists. 

Non-subscribers CAN post onto any of the Nabble mail list archives--but
message will be held for moderation when posting to a non-subscribed list.

Poke through Nabble, it is a useful resource.

Stuart



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RE: [libreoffice-users] To the moderators

2013-05-29 Thread V Stuart Foote
Sharon,

=-=-=

From: Sharon Kimble [skimbl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:20 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] To the moderators

At 1253 today I sent a email to the list under the heading of '
auto-spell checking not working on a fresh install.'
asking for help with Libreoffice 4.0.3.3.

This appears to have been removed from the main mailing list with no reason
given. Why please? It was a genuine request for help with an ongoing
problem that I have.

I look forward to your reply.

Sharon Kimble

=-=-=

Not sure what you think has happened but we saw your post come through opening 
a new thread, and it is resident in the TDF Nabble based mail archive, here:

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/auto-spell-checking-not-working-on-a-fresh-install-td4058444.html

A problem with your Usenet reader configuration?

Stuart

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Importing a postscript file with proper formatting

2013-06-04 Thread V Stuart Foote

You'll find the installers (both freeware (Affero GPL)  and commercial)
here:

Ghostscript Downloads Page http://www.ghostscript.com/download/gsdnld.html  



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[libreoffice-users] Re: V4.0 On Mac OS X small vertical scroller does not scroller is flaky

2013-06-10 Thread V Stuart Foote
snowshed wrote
 Lists confuse the folks who've never learned how to use them.  I use the 
 gmane interface and read the lists as if the list was a newsgroup. 
 That's my preferred way.
 
 LO offers the lists, gmane for newsgroup software, and forums via the 
 Nabble interface.
 
 If you were at the LO Home page, and clicked on Get Help, you would have 
 been sent here:
 
 http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/
 
 That lists all the help options available.
 
 Scroll down to the Nabble entry, and you end up here:
 
 http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/nabble-mailing-list-interface/
 
 This is a forum style interface for the mailing lists.
 
 IMO, LO gives the user far more options for finding a preferred method 
 of obtaining help than any other place I've been.  And the same for 
 printed documentation.
 
 FWIW, having used all three, lists, newsgroups, and forums, IMO forums 
 are by far the most poorly organized method unless they offer a threaded 
 view as the Nabble interface can do.
 
 
 -- 
 Ken

+1

Also, for those that prefer the Nabble interface, the  Apache OpenOffice
mail lists on Nabble
http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/OpenOffice-f2721033.subapps.html  
are also available.Able to search for and follow topics for both
projects with common set of tools.

Stuart




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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing

2013-06-13 Thread V Stuart Foote
Maurice,

Simply reopen issue  fdo#60858
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858  , but you will need to
make a strong case from a UX position as to why a horizontal rule direct
style object is needed.

Also, HTML styles and direct editing still support use of HR or HR /
tagging so the horizontal rule is an more an issue of direct styling
paragraph separators.

A more precise discussion Ask LibreOffice thread  is: 
selection-of-horizontal-rule-no-longer-possible
http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/15930/selection-of-horizontal-rule-no-longer-possible/
  

Looking at fdo#60858, the decision to remove the direct styling looks to
have been one of code maintenance...

2012-11-23
Cédric BosdonnatRemoved horizontal rule ugly 1990 thing
Change-Id:  Ifafd8b2ffd9af90b6ac4ed2ee0ccd3c5e980731c
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.gita=searchh=HEADst=commits=Ifafd8b2ffd9af90b6ac4ed2ee0ccd3c5e980731c
  

But a case has to be made for UX development to reestablish--that process is
via the fdo#60858 bug and the LibreOffice   UX-Advise
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/UX-Advise-f3619688.html   list.

Stuart







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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing

2013-06-13 Thread V Stuart Foote
I've gone ahead and reopened the fdo#60858 bug.  

But, is it a regression or a needed enhancement?

In either case, please make your usage case for needing horizontal rule as
separators.   Should address both direct styling (i.e. from the menu) as
well as page styling (i.e. the horizontal rule applied as paragraph
separator).






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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing

2013-06-13 Thread V Stuart Foote
Maurice,

Your bug was  fdo#65719 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65719  
but that has been consolidated as a duplicate of  fdo#60858
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858  .

Please comment against fdo#60858

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing

2013-06-13 Thread V Stuart Foote
I have started a UX-Advise thread on design review of how Horizontal Rulers
can be reintroduced to the Writer GUI.

How-to-provide-horizontal-rule-paragraph-separators
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-provide-horizontal-rule-paragraph-separators-tp4061353.html
  

Stuart



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RE: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

2013-06-23 Thread V Stuart Foote
Should have a link marked -- Change System, Version or Language

--translate.google.com service--

Változás Rendszer verzió vagy nyelv

próbáld ezt a verziót

   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86lang=hu


From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eu]
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:43 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

 Dear Sirs,Your site offer the choose of the language for the install 
package,but it seems, the install package decide independentthe language of the 
installation by the language of the operating
system.It means, I couldn't install libreoffice Hungarian version on a
machine,on which the operating system is German.I look forward to your 
advice andthank you in advanceAndrás Kiss


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

2013-06-23 Thread V Stuart Foote
András,

I beleive you can make needed adjustments from the Tools - Options -Language 
Settings - Language panel to change the configuration.

Not sure of the exact pootle values, but look for something like...

=-=-=
Deutsch

Werkzeuge
Optionen
Spracheinstellungen
Sprache Panel

Magyar
eszköz
Beállítások
Nyelvi beállítások
Nyelv panel




From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eu]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:11 PM
To: V Stuart Foote
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

Hi Stuart,

Thank you for your quick reply.
Before I wrote my mail I have tested the problem:
I have downloaded the Hungarian  installation set on a computer, on which the 
Hungarian
Windows is installed. When I start the installation on this computer the 
language is Hungarian.
When I install the same file on my other computer on which the OS is German, 
the installed
LibreOffice language is German.

I look forward to your answer regarding my original question.
Thank you  in advance

András


2013.06.23. 8:50 keltezéssel, V Stuart Foote írta:

Should have a link marked -- Change System, Version or Language

--translate.google.com service--

Változás Rendszer verzió vagy nyelv

próbáld ezt a verziót

   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86lang=hu


From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eumailto:kissand...@softap.eu]
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:43 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

 Dear Sirs,Your site offer the choose of the language for the install 
package,but it seems, the install package decide independentthe language of the 
installation by the language of the operating
system.It means, I couldn't install libreoffice Hungarian version on a
machine,on which the operating system is German.I look forward to your 
advice andthank you in advanceAndrás Kiss


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

2013-06-23 Thread V Stuart Foote
András,

So looks like from the LibreOffice menus in  Deutsch... Extras - Optionen - 
Spracheinstellungen - Sprachen,  változás a két Benutzeroberfläche  
Gebietsschema  a Ungarisch mert Magyar nyelv.

And then restart LibreOffice.

Beyond that, not sure I can help as I don't have access to German language MS 
Windows.

Stuart



From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eu]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:35 PM
To: V Stuart Foote
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

Hi Stuart,
Thank you for the prompt reply.
I could change the language of the territory,
but I can't change the language of the user level.
Do you have any ideas?

Thanks and regards
András


2013.06.23. 22:13 keltezéssel, V Stuart Foote írta:
András,

I beleive you can make needed adjustments from the Tools - Options -Language 
Settings - Language panel to change the configuration.

Not sure of the exact pootle values, but look for something like...

=-=-=
Deutsch

Werkzeuge
Optionen
Spracheinstellungen
Sprache Panel

Magyar
eszköz
Beállítások
Nyelvi beállítások
Nyelv panel




From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eumailto:kissand...@softap.eu]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:11 PM
To: V Stuart Foote
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

Hi Stuart,

Thank you for your quick reply.
Before I wrote my mail I have tested the problem:
I have downloaded the Hungarian  installation set on a computer, on which the 
Hungarian
Windows is installed. When I start the installation on this computer the 
language is Hungarian.
When I install the same file on my other computer on which the OS is German, 
the installed
LibreOffice language is German.

I look forward to your answer regarding my original question.
Thank you  in advance

András


2013.06.23. 8:50 keltezéssel, V Stuart Foote írta:

Should have a link marked -- Change System, Version or Language

--translate.google.com service--

Változás Rendszer verzió vagy nyelv

próbáld ezt a verziót

   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86lang=hu


From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eumailto:kissand...@softap.eu]
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:43 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

 Dear Sirs,Your site offer the choose of the language for the install 
package,but it seems, the install package decide independentthe language of the 
installation by the language of the operating
system.It means, I couldn't install libreoffice Hungarian version on a
machine,on which the operating system is German.I look forward to your 
advice andthank you in advanceAndrás Kiss


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.4.1 crashes when running a report

2013-06-24 Thread V Stuart Foote
federico quadri wrote
 I can't understand why 4.0.3.3 is no more downloadable.

Available under the downloadarchive of old builds and releases...

http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/4.0.3.3





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RE: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

2013-06-24 Thread V Stuart Foote
András,

Oh, of course!  Completely forgot that you needed to open the installer and 
check the additional languages in a custom configuration--otherwise the 
dictionaries and any fonts are not added.

And when on windows, can use the Add/Remove programs (appwiz.cpl) and modify 
the installation to perform the same additional language customization.

Glad you've got it sorted.

Stuart


From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eu]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:52 AM
To: V Stuart Foote
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

Hi Stuart,

I have found the solution:

If you start the installation you must choose the Custom installation
instead of the Typical and you can set additional languages.
After this will be the language settable in the User interface.
Thanks and regards
András

2013.06.23. 23:15 keltezéssel, V Stuart Foote írta:
András,

So looks like from the LibreOffice menus in  Deutsch... Extras - Optionen - 
Spracheinstellungen - Sprachen,  változás a két Benutzeroberfläche  
Gebietsschema  a Ungarisch mert Magyar nyelv.

And then restart LibreOffice.

Beyond that, not sure I can help as I don't have access to German language MS 
Windows.

Stuart



From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eumailto:kissand...@softap.eu]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:35 PM
To: V Stuart Foote
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

Hi Stuart,
Thank you for the prompt reply.
I could change the language of the territory,
but I can't change the language of the user level.
Do you have any ideas?

Thanks and regards
András


2013.06.23. 22:13 keltezéssel, V Stuart Foote írta:
András,

I beleive you can make needed adjustments from the Tools - Options -Language 
Settings - Language panel to change the configuration.

Not sure of the exact pootle values, but look for something like...

=-=-=
Deutsch

Werkzeuge
Optionen
Spracheinstellungen
Sprache Panel

Magyar
eszköz
Beállítások
Nyelvi beállítások
Nyelv panel




From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eumailto:kissand...@softap.eu]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:11 PM
To: V Stuart Foote
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

Hi Stuart,

Thank you for your quick reply.
Before I wrote my mail I have tested the problem:
I have downloaded the Hungarian  installation set on a computer, on which the 
Hungarian
Windows is installed. When I start the installation on this computer the 
language is Hungarian.
When I install the same file on my other computer on which the OS is German, 
the installed
LibreOffice language is German.

I look forward to your answer regarding my original question.
Thank you  in advance

András


2013.06.23. 8:50 keltezéssel, V Stuart Foote írta:

Should have a link marked -- Change System, Version or Language

--translate.google.com service--

Változás Rendszer verzió vagy nyelv

próbáld ezt a verziót

   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86lang=hu


From: Kiss András [kissand...@softap.eumailto:kissand...@softap.eu]
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:43 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Language selection

 Dear Sirs,Your site offer the choose of the language for the install 
package,but it seems, the install package decide independentthe language of the 
installation by the language of the operating
system.It means, I couldn't install libreoffice Hungarian version on a
machine,on which the operating system is German.I look forward to your 
advice andthank you in advanceAndrás Kiss


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Horizontal lines (rules) disappeared from Insert menu

2013-06-26 Thread V Stuart Foote
The Insert -- Horizontal Rule feature was removed at the 4.0.0 release,
including its gallery of graphics objects. And it was not replaced.

There is an active bug  fdo#60858
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858  , and discussion in
the  UX-Advise
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-provide-horizontal-rule-paragraph-separators-tt4061353.html
  
functional design forum.

For now, working in Writer, only capability is the manual insertion of a
graphic as separator, or using text entry to format the paragraph style to
include a paragraph boundary marking on the bottom edge.

That is done,  while completing a paragraph, by immediate keyboard entry of
a triplet of: - (dash),   _  (underscore),   =  (equal),  *  (asterisk)  , 
~  (tilde) or  #  (hash). And  each will apply direct formatting creating a
bottom edge border for the paragraph. 






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[libreoffice-users] Re: styles for plays?

2013-06-26 Thread V Stuart Foote
Helen,

Interesting issue. The manual centering is simply multiple tabs ,\t, or
multiple space characters.   Replace the multiple occurrences with nothing
to remove it and bring all text to left margin.  Get all the formatting
removed so you are left with just the text.

The key to your effort is to remove the direct styling from the text, and
apply document wide styling to paragraphs.   Choose from existing styles, or
create new style sto apply against paragraphs, fonts, pages of each play as
you'd like.

If you are comfortable extracting the XML text component--content.xml-- from
the .odt container you can flush it through the stream editor--sed.  Or
gawk, or perl, or python, etc. to make editing corrections (removing white
space and joining actor to their lines with a colon). Then return the edited
content.xml back to the .odt container, and then apply consistent styles
from LibreOffice.

However, working within Writer--you can accomplish much of the text clean up
using the find-replace GUI widget. Open the + other options panel, and
select  the regular expression checkbox. 

LibreOffice regular expressions are described here: 
https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/List_of_Regular_Expressions

with a bit more detailed instruction here (panels are a bit different
between LibreOffice and OpenOffice):
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Regular_Expressions_in_Writer

The other approach, would be to open the document and copy all contents out
to a text file, then edit that with sed, gawk, perl or python--and insert
the now consistent text into a new LibreOffice document and then apply
styles to the text.

Stuart



 



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RE: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing

2013-06-28 Thread V Stuart Foote
From: William Drago [wdr...@suffolk.lib.ny.us]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 6:32 AM
...  Horizontal Line Style in the Styles and Formatting window. If the entry 
for horizontal
 lines is not visible in the list of Paragraph Styles, select All Styles in 
 the lower listbox.
Well, there is no Horizontal Line Style listed even after selecting All Styles.

No, it is there. open the Styles and Formatting window,  first button on the 
Formatting toolbar (or just enter F11).

When panel opens, if still set to install defaults, you'll be on the Paragraph 
tab with Default Style selected and the filter dropdown list set to 
Automatic. With that filter in place Horizontal Line is not a listed paragraph 
style.  Change the drop down filter to ALL, or to HTML and you'll see the 
Horizontal Line.

Unfortunately, the line weights for the paragraph border (just the bottom edge) 
set by the Horizontal Line style default settings are too thin. And the 
associated text handling for the paragraph style don't seem correct--but that 
could just be misuse on my part. 

Paragraph bottom border assigned as horizontal line with auto-replace of 
character triplets seem to have more reasonable default line weights--but since 
those are a direct styling of each paragraph, it is more efficient in the 
long run to figure out use of the style and formatting panel to handle whole 
document.

Stuart

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Nabble or smth like that

2013-06-28 Thread V Stuart Foote
Nick,

This is the link to the LibreOffice Nabble User mail-list archive

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Users-f1639498.html

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 Greetings from Russia, comrads!

I've heard that there is a way to unsubsribe from this mailing list and read 
messages on a website called something like Nabble. Could ypou please tell me 
more about this?
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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing

2013-06-29 Thread V Stuart Foote
Not impossible, you just have to reassert the paragraph style back to default 
(or to the paragraph style you are using for non HR separated text blocks).


From: Maurice [maur...@bcs.org.uk]
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:33 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is 
missing

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:44:49 +0100, Brian Barker wrote:

 you will see one of a variety of borders attached to the preceding
 paragraph.  This line is a property of that paragraph, not an entity by
 itself

 My problem with those is they seem impossible to delete!

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice website security

2013-07-13 Thread V Stuart Foote
Petre,

As has been pointed out to you several times since last month.  This is not
a problem of the LibreOffice download web servers. 

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Security-Issue-td4061840.html

It is likely a FALSE Positive reported by your AVIRA anti-virus packages
heuristic detection routines.

http://www.avira.com/en/support-threats-description/tid/4142/tlang/en

Your system is probably fine, please stop spreading FUD and it would be most
productive if you were to properly submit a report to AVIRA so they can
verify a the TDF site is clean and correct their detection
routines--especially necessary with heuristic methods.

Also, as AVIRA publishes frequent updated definitions and detection
routines, having raised the specter of a Malware issue it is only good
etiquette to test issue is resolved and to report its resolution back to
this forum. 

Everyone else, please let's abandon this thread pending substantive
reporting back from Petre regards what AVIRA finds--and move attention to
more productive discussions actually related to LibreOffice.

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] Re: HTML Source

2013-07-14 Thread V Stuart Foote
The UI Instructions are correct, if a little terse.

The missing key is that the document must be a valid .HTM or .HTML file
type. Done to a ODF formated document, by either *Export *to  XHTML, or by
using the*Save as* and selecting the HTML Document  (Writer) and allowing
the conversion to other than ODF format.

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4065381/SavaAs_convertToHTML%28Writer%29dialog.jpg
 

So either export to HTML or  save a copy of an .ODT  file being edited
to HTML.  Simply renaming using Widnows Explorer won't do the conversion, it
needs to actually be HTML. 

 Then when being edited in Writer, the View menu will show the HTML
source. 

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4065381/Menu_VeiwHTML.jpg 

Which can also be toggled with an ALT+V, ALT+M accelerator when document
has been detected as valid  HTML or XHTML.



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RE: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax

2013-07-15 Thread V Stuart Foote
STOP!

Anne, glad you're back but seriously?

HSQLDB  is the short title and Web address for HyperSQL, the Java language 
based SQL relational database that StarOffice then Sun chose as the imbedded 
database for the project.

Currently we include the 1.8 release, and efforts will either see that ripped 
out of LibreOffice to be replaced, or the version of HSQLDB will be upgraded to 
a current 2.3 release.

Mark, et al., all the details you could ever want  are on the project webpage 
at hsqldb.org, just mind the version differences.

Stuart


From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:15 AM
To: anne-ology; Mark LaPierre
Cc: Mail List LibreOffice
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax

Hi :)
My guess is that he meant

H Sql Db

SQL = the standard language used by most database programs.  Most add a little 
bit (few extra commands and stuff) to the basic language to help ensure that 
people can't easily switch to another program even though they all ostensibly 
use Sql.

Db = Database

H is the only bit that distinguishes exactly which program is being talked 
about.

Note that other programs also use Sql or Db in their name.  For example 
MySql/MariaDb, Postgresql.  Only Access doesn't have any of that in it's name.  
Of course MS make many claims that Access does use Sql but it's such a heavily 
tweaked version of Sql that it's almost unrecognisable.  If you learn Access 
then you need to forgetre-learn if you want to switch to anything else.  The 
others tend to just have a few differences so it's not so tough to move between 
them.  At least, so i have heard.

Regards from
Tom :)


 From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com
To: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com
Cc: Mail List LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 16:38
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax


   And just what is HSLQLDB  ;-)

   oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to
organize one's thoughts ...
    wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the
object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being
meant by what's being said  ;-)

  see -  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym

   AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only
started in 1943 ;-)
    before then communication was simply speaking to be
understood  ;-)

   BTW - many of these acronyms are duplicated - which causes even more
confusion to the listener  ;-)



On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote:


 On 07/13/2013 05:36 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
  HSLQLDB is a bit picky about the syntax

 Does anyone know where I can find a good reference on HSLQLDB syntax?



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[libreoffice-users] Re: HSLQLDB syntax

2013-07-15 Thread V Stuart Foote
 Grivin,

Thanks, no doubt you're correct as I admittedly did not research adoption of
HSQLDB  further.  And that predates my use of OpenOffice. Was fighting with
Sybase and Oracle products, while avoiding MS Access.

Interesting history none the less :-)

Stuart


Girvin R. Herr wrote
 To keep the record straight, Stardivision's StarOffice did not use 
 HSQLDB.  Unless the name has been changed, Stardivision used the ADABASE 
 D database engine in their StarOffice.  As far as I can research, Sun 
 dropped the proprietary Adabase D engine in favor of HSQLDB after it 
 took over the StarOffice code from Stardivision.  I never was able to 
 get Adabase D working for me back then, but I was ignorant of real 
 (non-Access) databases then and the StarOffice Adabase D database 
 documentation was terrible.
 Girvin Herr





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RE: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax

2013-07-16 Thread V Stuart Foote
Mark,

Hey why should you care that it is off topic, no one else seems to understand 
the concept ;-)

So, regards movement toward a non-Java JRE dependent default SQL DB for 
integration with the Base component. 

Several Bugzilla items worth reviewing:

considering and rejecting SQLite as replacement
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38811

find a replacement for HSQLDB v1.8
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51781

considering an update to HSQLDB v2.x
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44854

move default to FireBird not HSQLDB in Base -- this is the current development 
effort
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780

Finally, here is the Wiki based project coordination for implementing 
FirebirdSQL
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Base/FirebirdSQL
 
Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer.

Stuart


From: Mark LaPierre [marklap...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax

Well actually, I was going to ask what might replace HSQLDB but I
thought it might be a bit too far off topic.



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RE: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?

2013-07-23 Thread V Stuart Foote
Yes if one or both are fully installed (as opposed to /A administrative 
installs) they will interfere in subtle ways.

Actions to mitigate:

1) Disable the Quickstarter for both during installation -- the TDF LibreOffice 
and Apache OpenOffice versions will conflict--best if both are off. Done from 
AppWiz.cpl and a modify installation of both.

2) Also, only one or the other should have the Windows Explorer Integration 
enabled (it provides a thumbnail view of ODF documents) in Desktop or Thumbnail 
views in Windows Explorer (Desktop and other folder views). Personally I also 
leave that unchecked when installing.

3) Finally, if using the release rather than development builds. The Windows 
registry will be written with file associations--the two programs should 
coexist to open a file type, but only one can be set as the default for any 
particular ODF or MS Office format.  So keep track of that.

Good luck.


From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:13 PM
To: Virgil Arrington; us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?

Hi :)
I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 
2 versions of AOO or OOo.  Basically avoid having both open at the same time.  
That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them.

This link might help
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows
Regards from
Tom :)



 From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
To: us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?


Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on 
the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) 
search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which 
better meets my techno-needs.

Virgil
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RE: [libreoffice-users] LO 4 install deletes 3.6

2013-07-23 Thread V Stuart Foote
Virgil,

Not sure how far down the rabbit hole you'd like to go, but the simple truth is 
that full installs of LibreOffice 3.x and LibreOffice 4.x use identical 
components of Microsoft Windows registry and system paths and are mutually 
exclusive.

One can happily run multiple versions of LibreOffice (or a mix of LibreOffice 
and OpenOffice), but they will not be fully integrated with Microsoft Windows 
OS--and at any given time only one can be fully integrated with the Windows OS.

Recognizing that this is the normal use case--that is how the LibreOffice 
installer behaves by default. If you need it to do something else you have to 
do more than click on the installer.  And, fyi, the Apache OpenOffice installer 
behaves exactly the same, but is less functional in migrating user settings and 
supporting extensions.

Stuart


From: Virgil Arrington [cuyfa...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:52 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] LO 4 install deletes 3.6

In an attempt to compare the latest LO and AOO offerings, today I installed 
both LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 on my Win7 machine.

Until now, I have been happily using LO 3.6.6.2, having previously tried an 
earlier release in the LO 4 series.

When I previously installed LO 4, I noticed that it seemed to uninstall my 
previous version of LO 3.6. After encountering some problems with LO 4, I 
uninstalled it and reinstalled LO 3.6.

On the prior occasion, I just assumed that, when installing LO 4, I had 
inadvertently clicked some option to uninstall the old 3.6. So, today, when I 
installed LO 4, I was very careful to make sure that I did not check any box 
indicating my desire to uninstall LO 3.6.6.2.

Nevertheless, LO 4 installed and, once again, my installation of LO 3.6.6.2 
disappeared.

Does anyone know if this is intentional behavior? It has happened to me now 
twice, and I’m 90% certain that it was not due to anything I did.

If it is intentional, I find it most offensive. I can’t believe the TDF 
developers would be so presumptuous as to decide for me that I no longer want 
LO 3.6 on my system. This is the type of “let us think for you” behavior I 
would expect from MS, not from a FOSS project.

btw, AOO 4.0 installed quite nicely *next to* AOO 3.4.1, and I am able to run 
both programs.

Sorry, TDF, but on this one I have to give AOO a +1.

Virgil
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RE: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?

2013-07-23 Thread V Stuart Foote
Steve,

Well yes, but Windows has completely different application configurations for 
the Launchers on OS X, where manipulation of each programs .APP and some Plist 
values. 

And there are major differences in launcher setup with info.plist and each 
applications .app file when moving between OS X 10.6, 10.7, and 
10.8--indications are that won't even run on 10.9.

And of course the mix of DE and application packaging on the Linux flavors is 
an interesting mix as well. 

So the three primary OS environments for configuring LibreOffice are different 
enough that we can't generalize across the OSs even though the code base is 
mostly in common. That is because installation/configuration is where things 
diverge the most.  Windows is an ugly beast. Linux Kernels and Darwin have 
reasonable methods for the most part. Although Unity leaves me scratching my 
head on occasion.

Stuart


From: Steve Edmonds [steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:33 PM
To: V Stuart Foote
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?

Hi.
I have 3.6, 4.1dev. and AOO 4.0 installed together on my mac.
Steve
On 2013-07-24 12:41, V Stuart Foote wrote:
 Yes if one or both are fully installed (as opposed to /A administrative 
 installs) they will interfere in subtle ways.

 Actions to mitigate:

 1) Disable the Quickstarter for both during installation -- the TDF 
 LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice versions will conflict--best if both are 
 off. Done from AppWiz.cpl and a modify installation of both.

 2) Also, only one or the other should have the Windows Explorer Integration 
 enabled (it provides a thumbnail view of ODF documents) in Desktop or 
 Thumbnail views in Windows Explorer (Desktop and other folder views). 
 Personally I also leave that unchecked when installing.

 3) Finally, if using the release rather than development builds. The 
 Windows registry will be written with file associations--the two programs 
 should coexist to open a file type, but only one can be set as the default 
 for any particular ODF or MS Office format.  So keep track of that.

 Good luck.

 
 From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:13 PM
 To: Virgil Arrington; us...@openoffice.apache.org; 
 users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?

 Hi :)
 I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or 
 any 2 versions of AOO or OOo.  Basically avoid having both open at the same 
 time.  That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them.

 This link might help
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows
 Regards from
 Tom :)


 
 From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
 To: us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?


 Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on 
 the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) 
 search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which 
 better meets my techno-needs.

 Virgil
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RE: [libreoffice-users] stable vs new

2013-08-04 Thread V Stuart Foote
Folks,

In opening this thread ( Nabble  
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/stable-vs-new-tp4068750.html ) Tom is 
correct in a practical sense.  Stability is an inherent component of a mature 
product. And testing during the development cycles by more potential user 
willing to invest a little time in QA is essential to the health of the 
project.  

But a key aspect Tom omits is that LibreOffice development and release stages 
are tightly timed--and by proxy so is its support. Nor does he mention that the 
project has stayed on schedule since inception--synchronizing to a six month 
minor release cycle implemented in a broader ecosystem of Free and Open Source 
Software. 

The Release Plan for LibreOffice publishes the release schedule, current status 
and a historical record of the project, worth a read:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Plan

Keeping to the time based release plan means that the delay between initial 
release on a minor version and the next minor version release is just six 
months.  And that the delay between the x.x.0 release and each bug fix release 
has been and will continue to be  just one month.  So, while I don't completely 
agree Toms' assessment of how far along each bug fix takes things--it is just 
not the way the user feedback, QA,and development work proceeds--but it is not 
unreasonable practical advise.

Support has kept to the same cycle--for the most part--user documentation 
(static HTML or wiki based, and published) can always use more active 
contributors and lags a bit as a result.

This is not just development churn, there is solid User eXperience, QA and 
development work at every tick of the release cycle. And as a minor release 
nears end of its development life it gets less and less development 
attenetion--QA and development resources long since shifted to new development 
and bug fixes.  Enhancements and bug fixes become more and more costly to push 
backward with each tick in development cycle--so less likely to occur. In a 
sense that also is stability, or maybe stagnation.

The project is on sound footings as a time based release, that is not going to 
change so no sense in debating it here. Rather, if you have specific questions 
or comments about its implementation or how best to make use of software from 
time based release manged project  that would be a worthwhile discussion.

Stuart
a LibreOffice QA volunteer, focusing on accessibility issues.

p.s.  For use Accessibility and Assistive Technology tools the use of a Java 7, 
Java Runtime Environment and the Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 was not ported 
backward to the 3.6.x branch.  It was included in the  4.1.0 release, and has 
been patched for the upcoming 4.0.5 release.  Users of 3.6.x must continue to 
use a Java 6 JRE (e.g. 1.6u45) and  manual install of Java Access Bridge v2.0.2.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: stable vs new

2013-08-04 Thread V Stuart Foote
Girvin,


Girvin R. Herr wrote
 Now I know why I keep getting 3.x update notices when 4.x has been 
 released some time ago.  That surprised, but pleased, me.  As a result 
 of your description, I will have to repackage and install 3.6.7 after my 
 monthly backup today.

Absolutely, there is nothing wrong with continuing to use the earlier
releases.

Just be aware that the 3.6.x minor release will be designated EOL
development status the 15th of this month.  Meaning, it is a final release
(for the minor and 3.6 major branch) No further patches will be accepted
for the release and no project effort to fix compatibility or security
issues.  Support will continue in the mail list forum and the Ask site as
well as Bugzilla issue tracking---but quality of that support will slack off
as fewer users maintain a 3.6.x branch install.

LibOReleaseLifecycle.png
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/2/2c/LibOReleaseLifecycle.png  

This graphic from the release plan presents a concise view of the project.  
With work on the master branch extending into the future, each minor
release branch is categorized as release canidate, for Early adopters,
for Recommended use, for Conservative use.

With its EOL eminent, using 3.6.7 you would be well in the Conservative
category--meaning simply that it is not the Project recommended category,
which has shifted to the 4.0 major release--a 4.0.4 build.  Please note,
that when released at the end of the month--the 4.0.5 build will also
transition to a conservative category. 

But as you say, what ever works best for your productivity, we just want
you and others to understand the project infrastructure and how best they
can contribute.

Stuart




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Conflicts?

2013-08-05 Thread V Stuart Foote
Personally I've experienced no conflicts in documents when moving from AOO to
LO 4.0/4.1 or back. But then I am comfortable moving between releases and
administrative installs for QA work.

Regards the design goals of a Sidebar, some good documentation worth a read.

Apache OpenOffice 4.0 release notes on Sidebar are here: 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes

an extract of the lead developers comments about how Sidebar was integrated
are here: 
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Overview

And when it was picked up for inclusion in LibreOffice 4.1.0 as an
experimental feature, LO Devs  have done some additional cleanup and rework
of the UI as described in the those release notes:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.1#Other

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1 and the Windows taskbar

2013-08-14 Thread V Stuart Foote

Issues with Windows 7 and 8,  Taskbar   Startmenu and Jump List
implementation has been cleaned up on the 4.1.1 and master builds.  Should
have better results with the upcomming 4.1.1 release.

See  FDO#35785 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35785   for
details.

Stuart





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[libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.

2012-06-25 Thread V Stuart Foote
Tom,

Activating a Java Runtime Environment in LibreOffice 3.5.4  took a little
while to complete its initial load following upgrade, but  the JRE 1.7
update 5  does function correctly with JAB 2.02 installed with LibreOffice
3.5.4 on 64-bit Windows 7.  So, not  a problem with the LibreOffice
Accesibility and the Assistive technology tools.

Installation of the updates (32bit and 64bit versions from java.com)  did
not corrupt my LibreOffice user profile, and JAB 2.0.2 was not affected. The
NVDA screen reader continues to work correctly with LibreOffice.

So, the JRE installer is not the problem, and that leaves LibreOffice user
profile configuration issues.

I suspect you were just unluky this time round with the Java update
misconfiguring some component of your profile. 

I beleive Bjørn's guidance to delete or to rename the
*javasettings_Windows_x86.xml*  file is the correct way to clear the issue
by allowing your user profile to rebuild. 

Or you could completely remove your LibreOffice user profile and allow it to
be rebuilt with defaults.

The full profile is the folder located at *C:\Users\your user
name\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user* which can be renamed.

Stuart

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[libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install of Libre Office.

2012-06-26 Thread V Stuart Foote
Tom,

Java based programs on a Windows OS are frustratingly unstable when multiple
Java Runtime Environments are present because of the way program
configurations are pointed to the version of Java to call--registry entries,
user environment variables, system environment variables.  

For stability, run with just one JRE--but don't allow it to update until
convenient for you to monitor changes.

You could jump in and immediately uninstall all things Java based (NVDA,
Dolphin, JAB)  and LibreOffice--and clean the registry. And then reinstall
everything so configuration files are correct.

But one simple option for additional troubleshooting  would be to create a
new user account on the computer. Login to it--and test your Java
components. If JAB based utilities run, then check them in LibreOffice.  And
if while using the new account, JAB based programs fail (and they may),  you
probably will need to uninstall and reinstall.   But if all is good for the
new user account, the problem *is* configuration issue for you normal
account, and you will need to dig into your Windows user profile.


An uninstall, reinstall will fix either case but is tedious and error prone
-- so use an uninstaller ( I prefer the VSRevo products with moderate
registry clean-up, the free version is fine for 32-bit, but would need the
Pro for 64-bit--has a modest license fee to use beyond trial period -- find
them here:

freeware 32-bit only  --
http://www.revouninstaller.com/start_freeware_download.html
pro version 32/64 -bit trial  --
http://www.revouninstaller.com/download-professional-version.php )
 
Then reload these Windows programs in order:
JRE 1.7u5 (this would now be the ONLY Java runtime on the system, with fresh
configuration laid down)
Java Access Bridge (use Jamal Mazrui's JWin installer from
http://empowermentzone.com/JWin.htm )
Dolphin or NVDA (or both) (test that they're working)
LibreOffice 3.5.4  (select the JRE, and activate  Accessibility -- assistive
technology tools)

Obviously once Dolphin or NVDA come off you are likely to need some sighted
assistance with the interface, but it should be brief and by running through
the clean up this way--you will be more likely to have a stable and fully
functioning system as an outcome.

Stuart

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my installof Libre Office.

2012-06-26 Thread V Stuart Foote
Tom,
 
But the Java Access Bridge, v 2.02 did load against JRE 1.7u5--correct?  Are 
you back up with your NVDA, and or Dolphin screen reader?
 
Did you delete (or rename)  your LibreOffice user profile following the 
uninstall prior to launching LibreOffice after reload?  That would be the 
entire C:\Users\your user name\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice folder.
 
Any difference working with a newly created user account?
 
Stuart
 



From: Tom Randall [mailto:kf6...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tue 6/26/2012 11:10 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my installof 
Libre Office.



Hi all.

Ok well I have done as complete an uninstall and registry cleaning as I can
reasonably do at this point.  After uninstalling all java related things
including L.O. I cleaned the registry and there were in fact some errors
that were corrected.  So I then re-installed the programs in the order that
Stuart suggested.  However, when I run L.O. and try to enable accessibility
I get this error message.

LibreOffice requires a Java runtime environment (JRE) to perform this task.
The selected JRE
is defective. Please select another version or install a new JRE and select
it under Tools -
Options - LibreOffice - Java.
OK

So, this is where I am at this point.  I hope to hell somebody figures out
what is going on with this since I am apparently not the only person having
this problem.  Fortunately my Mac version of L.O. is still working so I can
use it to actually get work done because I cannot afford to keep frakking
around with this all week.

I'm done ranting for now, I do appreciate you guys trying to help out and I
am sure we will get this figured out eventually.

Best regards,

Tom



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[libreoffice-users] Re: latest java update has broken my install ofLibre Office.

2012-06-27 Thread V Stuart Foote
Michael,

Have marked your File -- Send  Java Bug 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50863 50863  as duplicate of 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50371 50371 . 

It is probably related to the JRE problems folks are having with the Java
Access Bridge based Accessibility features.
But  the JRE 1.7  misconfiguration issues are really only affecting Windows
users (32-bit and 64-bit) the problems are with Windows unique configruation
issues with the  LibreOffice build and in JRE configuration under Windows
(registry, system environment, user environment).

More activity on the earlier 50371 report, and I have added the primary
Windows build maintainer to the Bug.

Stuart



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RE: [libreoffice-users] Does this file crash with the latest 3.6 beta?

2012-07-26 Thread V Stuart Foote
Andreas,
 
No crash observed. Guess you'll stay the course a while longer...
 
Results as opened in LO 3.6.0.2, on Windows 7, 64-bit.
 
Days column were not rendered on the MediaFire file preview in IE9 or FF 14.0.1
 
 
DOB  Years   Months  Days   
01/02/1994   18  6   24 
01/03/2003   9   6   23 
01/04/2002   10  6   22 
01/07/2001   11  6   19 
01/09/1977   35  6   17 
01/13/1997   15  6   13 
01/13/2004   8   6   13 
01/20/1976   36  6   6  
01/21/1983   29  6   5  
01/23/1962   50  6   3  
 
Stuart
 
 



From: Andreas Säger [mailto:ville...@t-online.de]
Sent: Wed 7/25/2012 11:26 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Does this file crash with the latest 3.6 beta?



Hi,
The simple spreadsheet document
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?1s1wui59p3p2oxz crashes with LO-Dev Beta
1 (Build ID: 1f1cdd8).
I know there is a more recent build of 3.6 but 3.5 will be my last
version of LibreOffice.
If someone confirms the crash with a more recent build, that would be a
show stopper.
Thanks,
A.S.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

2012-08-15 Thread V Stuart Foote

Marc Grober wrote
 
 First,  I may be inconsequential,  but I did not see any apology.
 Perhaps it only went out on the dev list.
 

Yes the apology was issued over on the Dev and QA lists--inserted below. 
But we folks on the QA and User side do have a responsibility to follow our
bugs when posted, and to participate when calls for NEEDINFO are issued. And
also, that when bugs are closed we reopen them with careful attention to the
information needed to fully describe the bug and the quality of detail the
Devs will needs to resolve.

Otherwise, let's move on folks!

Stuart


Joel Madero (to the Devs and QA lists) wrote
 
 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:33:49 -0700
 From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com
 Subject: Bug Closing Automation - Apology
 
 Hi All,
 
 First off, sorry that I'm starting a new thread, I'm not sure how to
 reply to something from the digest in gmail.
 
 A couple days ago there was a very brief discussion about NEEDINFO and
 that it wasn't very useful to have the NEEDINFO status sit for weeks or
 months on end if the users weren't responding to our requests for more
 information. I jumped the gun and asked if there was a way to automate
 closing these bugs if they were open for some period of time, another user
 volunteered to do this and went ahead and did it. I take full
 responsibility for the ill feelings, I should have waited longer for more
 input and thought about it more clearly before requesting if someone had
 the ability to automatically close these bugs. It has pissed off quite a
 few people, I take the blame, please direct your irritation my way and not
 at Florian or any other member of the QA team.
 
 Best wishes to everyone,
 
 Joel
 




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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simplyunimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

2012-08-16 Thread V Stuart Foote
Michael,
 
It is pretty rare for specifics of bugs to be entered on the Users list, where 
there might have a passing comment that a bug would be or had been filed. But 
often no additional details of the bug in the discussion. But, that said, the 
threads are pretty descriptive.
 
Being a new subscriber, maybe the Nabble web interface would be of use to 
efficiently identify substantive issues that may have associated bugs.
 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Users-f1639498.html
 
Stuart
 



From: Michael Meeks [mailto:michael.me...@suse.com]
Sent: Thu 8/16/2012 11:50 AM

snip
One thing that frustrates me, since I've only just subscribed is that
we seem to be talking about a load of bugs with no numbers I can easily
lookup.

I'd greatly appreciate it if some kind soul could scrape the thread in
their mailbox for a list of bug links to the most significant issues and
aggregate them in a single mail - so I can go and triage them.
snip
 

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RE: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice Kills Windows Explorer

2012-08-19 Thread V Stuart Foote
Dave,
 
Already tracked in Bugzilla. The LibreOffice shell extension is being patched 
for 3.6.1 release.
 
Bug #52078 ( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52078 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52078  ) has been closed 
resolved for 3.6.1 release.  It was in the most annoying bugs 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6  
 
But two new related active bugs have been spun off. fdo#53533 ( 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53533 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53533  ) and fdo#53534 ( 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53534 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53534  ).
 
The fdo#53533 is to handle malformed or misnamed ODF files--which cause the 
LibreOffice shell extension to crash the Windows Explorer shell. While 
fdo#53534 enhances the LibreOffice Windows shell extension to handle flat file 
ODF content.
 
Meanwhile, the Windows shell extension is an optional component at 
installation--could exclude it. Or just advise users of issue of pointing to 
ODF documents in Windows Explorer causing Explorer to crash, and not to do it. 
Open from within LO application.
 
Stuart
 

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java

2012-08-24 Thread V Stuart Foote
Bob,

Review the LibreOffice Java configuration file with notepad, it is
located at
C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config\javase
ttings_Windows_x86.xml

Note that it has stanzas for Location and Version details--those must
match the version of the 32-bit Java JRE you are attempting to run.

If you have an entry in your PATH environment variable pointing to a
32-bit JRE, then deleting the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml configuration
file will allow it to be rebuilt with the correct JRE details for your
system. This delete/rebuild during version upgrades is just part of
housekeeping that needs to happen.

If you don't allow the rebuild--then the old JRE 1.6 configuration file
will always fail with a 1.7 version JRE.

As to dropping use of a JRE--this link shows exactly the LibreOffice
components that have a Java dependency.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Java 

Stuart 

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From: Bob McDonald [mailto:bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:23 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java

I'm having a bit of a bother with any version of Libreoffice installed
with JRE 1.7 on Windows 7.

Libreoffice crashes on start with any version of Java JRE greater than
1.6.  If I go back to 1.6 I'm O.K.

Anyone else having issues?

If so and this is a new bug, what do you want to see?

Regards,

Bob


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Unhandled Exception: InvalidRegistryException

2012-08-27 Thread V Stuart Foote
@contrazz,

Should not need to re-install again, rather to clear things you'll need
to completely remove (or rename) your old user configuration.

Found here: C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\

Any extensions or customizations you have are likely not functional at
3.6, so deleting is probably simplest.

Stuart



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To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Unhandled Exception:
InvalidRegistryException

I just upgraded from 3.3 to 3.6 on a Win7 installation.  I'm getting a
fatal
error:  
Unhandled Exception: InvalidRegistryException. 

Text of error:  
File:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)LibreOffice%203.6/program/../share/ext
ensions/NLPSolver/components.rdb:
duplicate implementation
name=com.sun.star.comp.Calc.NLPSolverDEPSSolverImpl

Re-installation hasn't helped.  
Nor has re-starting. 

Thanks in advance for any wisdom anyone can pass along ... 






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RE: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java

2012-08-27 Thread V Stuart Foote
Folks should understand that the Java Accessibility Bridge foundation
for LibreOffice Assistive Technology and Accessibility Tools is one of
the primary components entirely dependent on a functional JRE?  Java is
going to be with us in LibreOffice long after JRE 1.6 has been dropped
from Oracle support. Dealing with JRE 1.7 configuration is necessary now
and in the future.

So, JRE 1.6u34 is the latest release of that branch and JRE 1.7u06 is
the latest of that branch. But, both are completely functional with
LibreOffice when properly configured, and both support Java
Accessibility Bridge and Assistive Technology and the Accessibility
Tools in LibreOffice.

The problem is when they are not configured correctly. Java Access
Bridge, LibreOffice AT, and LibreOffice in general require use of a
32-bit JRE to work seamlessly.

Users on 64-bit Windows are tripped up by the Oracle JRE installers (or
Ninite installer packaging) that generically install the 64-bit JRE.  It
is the generic Windows centric installation--of executables copied into
the C:\Windows\System32 and C:\Windows\SysWOW64 folders that causes most
problems for LibreOffice Java Access Bridge dependent users of LO
Accessibility Tools. Simply put, the wrong version of the JRE gets
called.

To avoid that for JRE, JAB and LibreOffice AT users, forcing a proper
configuration requires removal of the generic executables and inclusion
of the JRE into system PATH variable. Convention says use a JAVA_HOME
variable, but the full path to the JRE bin directory is just as
effective, e.g. append ;C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre7\bin to the
PATH variable.

Sounds simplistic, but if you start with a solid 32-bit JRE install, the
JAB will go on cleanly (use the JWin tool). Follow that with NVDA or
commercial screen reader, and then a LibreOffice 3.6.1 installation.
Which now offers Accessibility support during installation and startup.

Additionally, for users that had a JRE 1.6 installation and had problems
following a JRE 1.7 upgrade.  Doing an upgrade to JRE 1.7 does not
clear the JRE 1.6 configuration that LibreOffice had been using--and
suspect there are JAB and other assistive technologies that will also
have broken configurations. The most reliable way is to remove it all
and start from the JRE installation.

But for certain, with LibreOffice the configuration has to be  manually
cleared--and allowed to rebuild with correct JRE 1.7 details.  A JRE 1.6
installation would be just as trouble prone if it were not configured
correctly.

Stuart



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To: Tom Randall; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java

It seems to work fine if you take JRE 1.7 off the machine and install
JRE 1.6...

Once they take Java out of the equation, it'll be fixed.  Until they do,
however, take 1.7 off and Install 1.6.  That seems to fix the problem.

YMMV,

Bob


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java

2012-08-28 Thread V Stuart Foote
Tom,
 
Great idea--paste away. Feel free to edit my ramblings since I can be a bit 
verbose.
 
But it gets even better, at least on the accessibility side (remembering though 
that a functioning Java JRE is required for other LO components).
 
So now, in addition to JavaFX, Oracle has bundled Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 
into the JRE 1.7u6; it is installed by default but is left inactive when a 
patch-in-place upgrade of JRE is done.  I think the toggle between JAB active 
and inactive is going to be an issue during LO installation and use.
 
http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/technotes/guides/access/enable_and_test.html#enabling_jab
 
Jamal Mazrui's JWin JAB installer isn't obsolete, probably still the way to go 
for a clean JAB v2.0.2 installation, especially with a JRE 1.6u34 install.   
But I've sent Jamal a note suggesting it might be time to rework the JWin 
installer.
 
Also, I have an open bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54064 of 
how I think the JRE and JAB bit me during a LO 3.6.1.2 (RC2) test 
installation--manifested as an installer hang at java with incomplete LO user 
configuration build for a non-privileged user account.  Haven't yet attempted 
to reproduce to verify--but reopened the bug for review as I believe it is a 
Java JRE / JAB related installation issue that will need some work.
 
Stuart
 
 



From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Tue 8/28/2012 9:12 AM
To: V Stuart Foote; users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java


Hi :)  
I really liked this answer and i think we need an FAQ page about java because 
the issue keeps cropping up.  It seems a lot of people here each know about 
different problems with java and it would be good to collect together some of 
the issues and how to work around them.  

So, i made the page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java
and am about to copy  paste Stuart's email into the page.  Please feel free to 
edit to make the page more useful.  

Regards from
Tom :)  


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[libreoffice-users] RE: Unhandled Exception: InvalidRegistryException

2012-08-28 Thread V Stuart Foote
If it is a Windows Vista or Windows 7 system the path to the profile is a s
listed. It may be hidden.

To unhide open Windows Explorer shell - Tools - Folder Options - View 
and in the Advanced settings section tic the radio button Show hidden
files, folders, and drives

The per-user C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice  folder should
become visible. Simply delete or rename it.

That should clear any misconfiguration of extensions.
 
The Wiki link Tom Davies posted has locations for other operating systems.




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[libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

2012-08-28 Thread V Stuart Foote

Bob McDonald wrote
 
 JRE 1.7 32 bit edition works if (and only if) JRE 1.6 is installed first
 and is pointed to in the options.  (you can even uninstall JRE 1.6
 afterward...)
 Neither of the 64 bit versions work.  (or show up as Java versions in the
 options list under LO)
 

Actually, that is completely wrong and in reality is one of the reasons so
many folks have problems with the transition from JRE 1.6 to JRE 1.7--they
do not clear out the old and incorrect configurations.

Here are extracts of the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml configuration file
with the JRE in use by Libre Office. It is found per-user at
C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config

For JRE 1.6u34:

jreLocations xsi:nil=true/
javaInfo xsi:nil=false vendorUpdate=2004-01-30 autoSelect=false
vendorOracle Corporation/vendor
locationfile:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre6/location
version1.6.0_34/version
features0/features
requirements0/requirements

and of JRE 1.7u6

jreLocations xsi:nil=true/
javaInfo xsi:nil=false vendorUpdate=2004-01-30 autoSelect=false
vendorOracle Corporation/vendor
locationfile:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre7/location
version1.7.0_06/version
features0/features
requirements0/requirements

This .XML configuration file is NOT updated when you upgrade your JRE!  It
must be deleted and allowed to rebuild--using your system environment PATH,
or you will end up with non-functional LO Java functions.





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RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

2012-08-28 Thread V Stuart Foote
Bob,

Sorry, too shrill on my part. Just because it was incorrect doesn't mean
it was wrong.

Apologies--and please remain engaged.

Stuart

-Original Message-
From: Bob McDonald [mailto:bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:18 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

Well that was how it worked for me.  Since it is completely wrong, I'll
quit posting about it and watch what happens in the future.

Have fun!

Regards,

Bob


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Sun dll shlxthdl and windows explorer.exe crash

2012-08-30 Thread V Stuart Foote
Probably related to the LibreOffice's Windows Explorer extension

Most issues fixed with 3.6.1 build.

Ref these bugzilla reports: 

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52078
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53533

Install a current Java JRE and LO 3.6.1 and should resolve.

Stuart



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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Sun dll shlxthdl and windows explorer.execrash

2012-08-31 Thread V Stuart Foote
Dave,

Sorry to hear that. You should consider reopening
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53533 and providing your
details there.

Also, while it is a hassle, back out LibO 3.6.1.2 deleting per-user
profiles. Then reinstall selecting a Custom installation. Deselect the
Windows Explorer extension and allow the installation to proceed. See if
that clears your issues with ODF--and if you do reopen the bug, add
those details to it.

Stuart



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From: Dave Barton [mailto:d...@tasit.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:00 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Sun dll shlxthdl and windows
explorer.execrash

V Stuart Foote wrote:
 Probably related to the LibreOffice's Windows Explorer extension

 Most issues fixed with 3.6.1 build.

 Ref these bugzilla reports:

 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52078
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53533

 Install a current Java JRE and LO 3.6.1 and should resolve.

 Stuart


Unfortunately, this is not the solution. LO Version 3.6.1.2 (Build ID:
e29a214) still kills Windows Explorer when the mouse is hovered over
some ODF file names. It make no difference if Java is installed or not.

Dave



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Sun dll shlxthdl and windows explorer.execrash

2012-09-02 Thread V Stuart Foote
Heikki,

Recent work on the LibO Windows Explorer extension (shlxthdl.dll) has caused
the issue reported in referenced bugs.  And is probably not at all related
to the the Sun/Oracle JRE in use.

Reinstall the 3.6.1.2 after your backup and uninstall. But this time perform
a custom installation and uncheck the Windows Explorer extension.  The
shlxthdl folder and the .dll will not even be installed.

Clearing off all your Sun/Oracle Java Runtime Environments, and then
installing just a single current Oracle JRE is really just routine
maintenance that will result in a more stable Windows system.

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] wiki.documentfoundation.org - Vote_for_Enhancement: Implement the IAccessible2 accessibility API

2012-09-03 Thread V Stuart Foote
Folks,

I've placed Bug 39956 - Implement the IAccessible2 accessibility API onto the 
Document Foundation Vote for Enhancements wiki found here:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement

Most folks would be surprised to find just how spotty and incomplete 
Accessibility and Assistive Technology tools offered with LibreOffice are. But, 
I think all can agree that the current UNO - Java Accessibility Bridge 
continues to present Java Runtime Environment configuration issues for Windows. 
While Linux/Unix users supported with ATK and AT-SPI have had it better, there 
are a fair number of unresolved AT issues that affect all LibO/AOo users. 
Emerging AT-SPI2 efforts of the Open Accessibility (A11y) Group that require 
integration into LibreOffice are backing up.

Implementing IAccessibility2 (NOT a trivial technical issue) would improve 
accessibility and Assistive Technology tools across all implementations of 
LibreOffice, and during the effort would present an opportunity to fully 
implement A11y recommendations.

Please review the issues affecting this often overlooked aspect of LibreOffice, 
and let the BOD and Developer community know more consistent and complete 
accessibility support is an effort worth pursuing by commenting on the Vote 
for Enhancements wiki.

Regards,

Stuart

refs:

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/accessibility/iaccessible2/overview
http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/accessibility/module-ix.html
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2010/07/linux-foundation-delivers-new-licensing-terms-testing-tools-accessi
http://developer.gnome.org/accessibility-devel-guide/stable/gad-how-it-works.html.en




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RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

2012-09-06 Thread V Stuart Foote
Yes, that is correct. Would still be broken if you don't also clean up the 
javasettings .xml configuration file.
 
Additionally, for folks on a 64-bit build of Windows,  if you install both a 
32-bit and a 64-bit JRE, you need to watch which JRE gets called with 
LibreOffice.  Oracle installers place copies of latest installed executable 
into the C:\Windows\system32 (the 64-bit executables), and also in 
C:\Windows\SysWOW64 (for the 32-bit executables).
 
They are copied from the respective  installation directories of the JREs, but 
with a default installation these executables will be found before any other 
instance referred by the PATH environment, so they are the JREs used by 
default--and that can cause problems if not expected (as can issues with 
location of a MS C++ runtime not being present with the Java virtual machine 
libraries).  
 
To convince yourself, leave the C:\Windows copies intact and run a Command 
Window, and then execute java -version, if you have the 64-bit JRE installed 
and you will see the version labeled as 64-bit build--not the 32-bit. And that 
also seems to causes problems for LibreoOffice which on Windows remains 32-bit.
 
To precisely control which JRE is used, you have to remove the executables from 
the system32 and SysWOW64 directories, and then establish a specific location 
on the PATH for them. Can be anywhere in the PATH environment variable, but for 
security after the Windows OS components. Also by convention you can create a 
JAVA_HOME environment variable and use a %JAVA_HOME%\bin reference in the 
PATH.  Very useful (and the norm in Linux) in that you can programmatically 
change the JAVA_HOME variable when you need a different JRE (either the version 
or use of a 64-bit build).
 
Stuart



From: Tanstaafl [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org]
Sent: Thu 9/6/2012 10:21 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java



Thanks Stuart...

So, if you (like I always do) first uninstall JRE 1.6, then install 1.7
(32bit of course), will it still be broken?




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RE: [libreoffice-users] LibrreOffice 3.5.6

2012-09-10 Thread V Stuart Foote
On Mon 9/10/2012 9:37 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:
  What we both need is for someone who uses Windows 64 bit to tell
us how you can obtain 32 bit Java. (I use Linux.)
Use these direct Oracle Java SE Runtime download links and select the 32-bit 
version appropriate for your OS, for LibreOffice you'll want the 32-bit Windows 
offline installer:
JRE 1.7u7 -- 
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html
 
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html
 
JRE 1.6u35 
--http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u35-downloads-1836473.html
 
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u35-downloads-1836473.html
 

 

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[libreoffice-users] Re: No Java could be found: LO 3.6.1.2: Win7 pro sp1; java 1.7.0_07

2012-09-30 Thread V Stuart Foote
David,

Waste of time to dig into the XmlSchema Name space, a little dated but it
just works. But a reference is here:
http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/5/api/javax/xml/bind/annotation/XmlSchema.html 

And here are the direct links to download from Oracle. *Either current
build*,  JRE 1.6u35 or JRE 1.7u7  will work well.  Although JRE  builds from
1.7u6 onward include the Java Accessibility Bridge, v 2.0.3, if that is of
use to you.

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u35-downloads-1836473.html

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html

Deleting the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml forces LibreOffice to rebuild per
user with a correct template.  Each user then chooses what JRE to activate
from the LibreOffice Tools - Options - Java panel.

And, as Pedro notes, if you are on a 64-bit Win7 system you must install the
32-bit JRE and be sure LibO is using that executable.  Only reliable way
I've found when both 32-bit and 64-bit versions is to add an entry in the
system path pointing to the 32-bit, coupled with a JAVAHOME.   We have a
Wiki article for Java Access Bridge here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java that should have enough detail.

Stuart





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RE: [libreoffice-users] query re. volunteering w/ LO

2012-10-08 Thread V Stuart Foote
Anne,

Correctly completing the CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing
test to tell Computers and Humans Apart) is your key to establishing an
account on the Wiki site maintained by the Document Foundation.

We all have to pass that test to establish an account. And then, as we
all do, you must authenticate with your personal account to make edits
or add new content to the Wiki.

Have a read of this Wikipedia site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA
and you'll understand what the intent is.

Stuart

-Original Message-
From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 2:18 PM
To: Thomas
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. volunteering w/ LO


   Thanks for responding;
   I've been attempting to do just that -
  it states I must log-in to the wiki site ... so I attempt
to set-up an account ... each time it states there's some math question
with a blank to fill-in to prove I'm not some robot - but not finding
this, I continue on only to be sent back to the initial log-in page  ???

   HOW does one avoid having to sign-in to this wiki site before
being able to access the LO portion of the site ???

   I've looked all over the page, but cannot locate where this
supposed question/blank is located  ???

   Has no one else been required to log-in to the wiki site first?
...
is this something new they've added? ... is there some help/contact page
to send questions - and where they will respond with an actual answer?






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RE: [libreoffice-users] query re. volunteering w/ LO

2012-10-08 Thread V Stuart Foote
Anne,

 

Oops, looks like the Wiki maintainers have removed the graphical
CAPTCHA.  The math problem performs the same function and allows
screen reader assistive technologies to function (although easier to
circumvent).

 

So, solve the math problem and complete the registration (if you've
not already done so). Then navigate to the QA pages and  edit to put
your name in the pool.

 

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/QA_Team

 

Unfortunately, one more hoop for you to complete will be to ALSO create
an account on the Bugzilla system hosted by Freedesktop.org-I would
strongly recommend you keep these two sets of credentials in sync so you
don't confuse yourself. 

 

Create the account here:

 

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/createaccount.cgi

 

The Document Foundation bugs and requests are all filed under the
LibreOffice Category on the hosted service-but you'll have access to all
product and project Categories of the bug reporting/tracking system so
it will be a little overwhelming.  Just pay attention and be methodical
to make entries in the correct category. You'll get help, but not a lot
of hand holding.

 

And a big thank you for Volunteering.

 

Stuart

 

 

From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 8:06 PM
To: V Stuart Foote
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. volunteering w/ LO

 

   I have no problem with registering; but HOW when this CAPTCHA is
no where to be found  ???




On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
wrote:

Anne,

Correctly completing the CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing
test to tell Computers and Humans Apart) is your key to establishing an
account on the Wiki site maintained by the Document Foundation.

We all have to pass that test to establish an account. And then, as we
all do, you must authenticate with your personal account to make edits
or add new content to the Wiki.

Have a read of this Wikipedia site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA
and you'll understand what the intent is.

Stuart



From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 2:18 PM
To: Thomas
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. volunteering w/ LO


   Thanks for responding;
   I've been attempting to do just that -
  it states I must log-in to the wiki site ... so I attempt
to set-up an account ... each time it states there's some math question
with a blank to fill-in to prove I'm not some robot - but not finding
this, I continue on only to be sent back to the initial log-in page  ???

   HOW does one avoid having to sign-in to this wiki site before
being able to access the LO portion of the site ???

   I've looked all over the page, but cannot locate where this
supposed question/blank is located  ???

   Has no one else been required to log-in to the wiki site first?
...
is this something new they've added? ... is there some help/contact page
to send questions - and where they will respond with an actual answer?


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer bug?(bugzilla-link inside)

2012-10-10 Thread V Stuart Foote
(1) No, IIRC Apple does not use the Java Accessibility API and Java Access 
Bridge for its native Aqua/Cocoa NSAccessibility framework as used in 
VoiceOver. And OOo/LibO accessibility libraries make use of roles from 
NSAccessiblity framework to support OS X builds.

But for development/implementation of non-Aqua/Cocoa Java accessible 
applications under OS X, a JRE and Java Access Bridge is required on OS X.

So, with Oracle now building the JRE used by OS X, it could conceivably be 
having an impact on the Apple Accessibility APIs.

(2) The Java Access Bridge is capable of supporting all assistive technologies 
that are implemented in Java, but most defined roles came from the earlier 
Microsoft work on MSAA and IAccessible.  The a11y accessibility working group 
has moved beyond that with IAccessible2, ATK/GAIL and AT-SPI efforts. And of 
course Microsoft is doing its own thing for Windows, replacing the 
MSAA/IAccessible with UI Automation.  Both the Accessibility wiki and the Java 
wiki documentation can use more work.


Stuart

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:42 PM
To: Alexander Thurgood; Dushan Mitrovich
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer 
bug?(bugzilla-link inside)

Hi :)
There is a guide to help fix Accessibility issues on Windows by fixing the 
Java Accessibility Bridge.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java

Does Mac also depend on Java for these accessibility tools?  I've got a feeling 
that the JAB is just for screen-readers?  Also the page doesn't help 100% of 
the time but i think it's not far off.  Suggestions or expanding it to other 
platforms would be great :) Regards from Tom :)  


--- On Wed, 10/10/12, Dushan Mitrovich dush...@spinn.net wrote:

From: Dushan Mitrovich dush...@spinn.net
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer bug? 
(bugzilla-link inside)
To: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 10 October, 2012, 20:00

snip

Alex, thank you for this info - it finally tells me where to look.  In Mac OS 
X.6.8, Accessibility Tools is called Universal Access, and yes, I do have that 
turned on, for two reasons: to be able to magnify an area of the screen on 
occasion, and to run Zooom 2, which provides focus-follows-mouse. Both of 
these, and especially the latter, are very useful, so I'll wait for LO version
3.6.3 to see if that solves the crashing problem.

Thanks for pointing me out of limbo.

- Dushan
snip



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[libreoffice-users] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date

2012-10-14 Thread V Stuart Foote
 
LibreOffice versions 3.6.0 and later have not correctly implemented the Java 
Access Bridge (JAB) modules used to expose the Java Accessibility API roles for 
Windows users.
 
It took me a little while to work out the testing methods, but the Oracle test 
utilities JavaFerret-32 and JavaMonkey-32 show that LibreOffice is not 
implementing the Java Accessibility API and therefore does not expose 
accessibility roles to Assistive Technologies.
 
Neither JAB v.2.0.2 or v 2.0.3, nor current JRE version 1.6u35 or 1.7u7 will 
make a difference.
 
I tested LibreOffice builds 3.6.0.4, 3.6.1.2, 3.6.2.2, and 3.6.3.1 none of 
which are functional.
 
In addition today I completed testing of ALL builds of LibreOffice from 3.4.5 
to 3.5.7rc2.  With exception of the 3.5.0 build they all correctly map Java 
Accessibility API roles to UNO Accessibility roles. 
 
The Java Accessibility API is not as comprehensive as the IAccessible2 role 
mappings provided by IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0.1, but it is functional for the 3.4 
and 3.5 releases of LibreOffice.  And, for these versions Windows  Assistive 
Technologies will work. For example, the Windows NVDA screen reader will 
function with cursor control and component announcements for the entire 
document tree.
 
Windows versions of LibreOffice 3.6, including the current build 3.6.3 rc1, are 
NOT USEABLE with Assistive Technologies and they have not been usable with 
Windows Assistive Technologies at any point.
 
For folks that I've mislead with my insistence that all is well with 
LibreOffice 3.6 and Java Access Bridge and JRE with use of Assistive 
Technologies like NVDA screen reader I was wrong--I apologize.
I've updated the FDO#53474 (http:  bug report 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) and would encourage folks 
to vote, i.e. comment on, the enhancement to implement IAccessible2 API  ( 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement ) for Windows builds by 
incorporating the IBM contributed Symphony code base as a replacement of the 
Java Accessibility API as that is probably the fastest means of bringing 
Windows builds of LibreOffice to the same functional level as Linux builds that 
use the ATK AT-SPI accessibility APIs.
 
Stuart

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[libreoffice-users] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date

2012-10-14 Thread V Stuart Foote
LibreOffice versions 3.6.0 and later have not correctly implemented the Java
Access Bridge (JAB) modules used to expose the Java Accessibility API roles
for Windows users.
 
It took me a little while to work out the testing methods, but the Oracle
test utilities JavaFerret-32 and JavaMonkey-32 show that LibreOffice is not
implementing the Java Accessibility API and therefore does not expose
accessibility roles to Assistive Technologies.
 
Neither JAB v.2.0.2 or v 2.0.3, nor current JRE version 1.6u35 or 1.7u7 will
make a difference.
 
I tested LibreOffice builds 3.6.0.4, 3.6.1.2, 3.6.2.2, and 3.6.3.1 none of
which are functional.
 
In addition today I completed testing of ALL builds of LibreOffice from
3.4.5 to 3.5.7rc2.  With exception of the 3.5.0 build they all correctly map
Java Accessibility API roles to UNO Accessibility roles.
 
The Java Accessibility API is not as comprehensive as the IAccessible2 role
mappings provided by IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0.1, but it is functional for the
3.4 and 3.5 releases of LibreOffice.  And, for these versions Windows 
Assistive Technologies will work. For example, the Windows NVDA screen
reader will function with cursor control and component announcements for the
entire document tree.
 
Windows versions of LibreOffice 3.6, including the current build 3.6.3 rc1,
are NOT USEABLE with Assistive Technologies and they have not been usable
with Windows Assistive Technologies at any point.
 
For folks that I've mislead with my insistence that all is well with
LibreOffice 3.6 and Java Access Bridge and JRE with use of Assistive
Technologies like NVDA screen reader I was wrong--I apologize.

I've updated the FDO#53474 (http:  bug report
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) and would encourage
folks to vote, i.e. comment on, the enhancement to implement IAccessible2
API  ( http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement ) for Windows
builds by incorporating the IBM contributed Symphony code base as a
replacement of the Java Accessibility API as that is probably the fastest
means of bringing Windows builds of LibreOffice to the same functional level
as Linux builds that use the ATK AT-SPI accessibility APIs.
 
Stuart

Apologize for cross posting to the Users list--this had been an ongoing
discussion on the Accessibility list with several open threads but a broader
dissemination was appropriate as this is a major oops folks should be aware
of.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date

2012-10-15 Thread V Stuart Foote
Had an open bug. Appended to it.

FDO#53474 (http:  bug report
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 )

Stuart



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RE: [libreoffice-users] Is it safe to install Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0

2012-10-18 Thread V Stuart Foote
Guy,

Only one way to find out for sure ;)

However, with Apple turning over maintenance of the Java JRE for OSX to Oracle, 
you have little choice.

You might poke around and see what has been said on the various Apple forums in 
general about stability of the upgraded JRE, but you should not have 
substantive issues with LibreOffice.

As to needing to refresh your Java-applet plugins, probably a good idea since 
those tend to be the vectors for security compromises that the updated JRE 
repairs.  

Stuart

-Original Message-
From: Guy Voets [mailto:nimant...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:01 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Is it safe to install Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0

Hello,

I wonder whether I can safely install the new Java for Apple (Java for OS X
2012-006 1.0) that is proposed by the App Store.
The update improves security, reliability and compatibility , updating to
1.6.0_37 for Java SE 6.
What worries me a little is that the update will eliminate the Java-applet 
plugin (from Apple) from all web browsers it find on my computer. I will then 
have to install manually the newest version of the Java-applet plugin from 
Oracle...

What will be the incidence of this installation (and possible
des-installation) on LibreOffice?
I ask because there were earlier issues with Java updates (by Apple or
otherwise) for the norùal functioning of LibO.

Thanks for your ideas
--
Guy
using LibO 3.6.1.1 on a iMac Intel DualCore MountainLion 10.8.1
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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-19 Thread V Stuart Foote
Perhaps a Windows environment issue?  See this thread (and similar) at 
StackOverflow on the SE:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2259718/mysql-environment-variable-on-windows
 
Stuart



From: John Clegg [mailto:john.cl...@nailsea.net]
Sent: Fri 10/19/2012 10:04 AM
To: jomali
Cc: Alexander Thurgood; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form



Really? Mine doesn't

On 19 October 2012 15:55, jomali jomali3...@gmail.com wrote:

 What are you talking about? Of course there is a command line interface to
 MySQL in Windows. I use it all the time. Just go to Run and type mysql in
 the Open: box. You'll get a Command prompt with mysql command line ready to
 go.

 John

 On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.netwrote:

 Hm It isn't quite that simple in Windows (no command line mysql
 client)
 but I tried HeidiSQL and I can connect and amend data with no problems




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[libreoffice-users] Re: What has happened to the proposed Zotero integration?

2012-10-19 Thread V Stuart Foote
Two of substance:

Anthony's original musing   on the Users list
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Zotero-Intergration-with-LO-Proposition-Feature-Request-tt4001116.html#a4001139
  
and its initial reception   on the Discuss list
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libre-Office-amp-Zotero-Integration-Proposition-of-a-New-Partner-tt4001146.html
  
when posed there.

Where things were left:

/ Aug 16, 2012; 1:44pm Anthony Easthope Anthony Easthope

Righto, I will make a submission but it will need some guidance in the
process for submission. I can tell you it is not going to happen right
away as I have to go away but  once I am back I'm sure that I can make a
start on the pitch.
infact thinking about it it should be a community idea so we should all
contribute! :) /

A white paper would be of help--but will need to see a lot more development
addressing  specifics of Zotero server hosting in a Zotero/LibreOffice 
project collaboration. How could it be made to function beyond the very
capable plug-in that exists now.

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] Use of MD5 and other HASH values of LibO package downloads and alternate distribution DVD uploads

2012-10-21 Thread V Stuart Foote
Tim,

We applaud the work you've been doing on the English-NA-DVD, but since you've 
taken on that responsibility its cradle to grave handling also requires that 
you validate receipt of the initial ISO image upload to the Document Foundation 
Mirrors.

TDF will take your upload of bundled components and post it exactly as they 
receive it. Followed by TDF implemented MirrorBrain metadata service that 
calculates the initial HASH values (MD5, SHA-1, SHA-256 and BitTorrent) and 
publishes the details for use on the download mirrors.

Point is, they won't normally test that they have a good upload from your build 
system--that responsibility is yours.  And to add to your effort, to be 
technically correct you should probably verify the HASH value of each component 
installer you download for use in the compilation--found most conveniently at 
the http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/ where you probably want 
the stable/ tree (and can check on your box/ DVD distro).  Navigate down into 
the build you are compiling and the OS. On the page listing the language 
specific  installers each file will have a corresponding MirriorBrain 
provisioned link labeled Details that has full metadata of just that file 
including the HASH values. Check each package you will bundle against those 
values so you know you have a clean download.  You probably don't want to be 
responsible for distributing a corrupt install package that was incompletely 
downloaded as you build the DVD.

Then, once compiled into your English-NA-DVD .iso image,  you need to calculate 
a HASH value of the ISO being uploaded. You need this to compare what you send 
against what the transfer server receives. 

After upload, or probably once published to the TDF mirror,  compare the HASH 
value(s) the MirrorBrain published metadata. When uploading or downloading I 
generally will calculate and compare against the first few digits of MD5 and 
SHA256 HASH values

As an example, since you are on a Linux, you have the terminal window command 
line use of these commands:

md5sum LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso

sha1sum LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso

sha256sum LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso

Folks on Windows don't have a Microsoft provided digest tool--command line or 
GUI. But there are many to be found. Because of the range of digest HASH types 
I have to deal with I prefer a digest tool integrated with the Windows shell 
and widely use the freeware Hash  CRC tool published in the fileTweak 
utilizes of Febooti. Available here: http://www.febooti.com/downloads/  
Installed as administrator, it then gives ALL users the ability to calculate 
HASH values from the Properties panel (i.e. right mouse) of any file viewable 
in Windows explorer shell GUI.

If you'd like to compare for real, here are the HASH values for the last ISO 
build you posted as available at:

 
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.6/LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso.mirrorlist

LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso

Powered by MirrorBrain

Size: 3.8G (4044062720 bytes)
Last modified: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:58:15 GMT (Unix time: 1345607895)
SHA-256 Hash: 
55d62394196ab920d99ec99480d515672d738a152c26c92177500cd3113c8fa7
SHA-1 Hash: 8560042169d28f30053f91aae5523fbac049234b
MD5 Hash: 96560a0b6c117a07d32d33baa1e2ef30
BitTorrent Information Hash: 9ea3cc57031a78cb5af214a041637a5ff2f30648


Hope that is clear enough so that it helps you to understand that there is a 
bit more work you need to take on to assure the quality of your DVD box/  (i.e. 
as in Boxed set software distribution).

Stuart

p.s. I've cc'd this to the QA list to see if there are any other 
recommendations for the process.

   




From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P [mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com]
Sent: Sun 10/21/2012 10:34 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] North American DVD 3.5.6




NO ONE
has given me the  answer before on how to create a md5sum file before. 
And I asked that question back in the 3.3.x version days.

I have printed your answer out to PDF and I will place it on my
folder[s] for the NA-DVD work.

I use Ubuntu 12.04/MATE [10.04/GNOME before this month] to create the
NA-DVD web site and the ISO file.
I use Kompozer and Kate for most of the HTML work.
I use K3b to create the ISO file
I use Filezilla as my FTP client.

K3b creates a checksum but I do not know where it is stored for my use.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Use of MD5 and other HASHvalues of LibO package downloads and alternate distribution DVD uploads

2012-10-21 Thread V Stuart Foote
Tim,
 
Very reasonable that you would not have, or want, direct write access to the 
pool holding the master copies for distribution out to the mirrors--that is 
syssamdin magic better handled by the folks running the mirror service.
 
My suggestion is that you verify that the MirrorBrain HASH values for the .ISO 
file against what you created locally prior to you upload.  That way you can be 
certain that what you prepared will make it intact out to the mirrors. Each 
user then must be responsible for verifying their own downloads, with some 
trust that what is being downloaded is your original. Using the HASH values 
facilitates that at all steps--but you set the foundation for it. 
 
You can wait for it to post up to the mirrors and grab the MirrorBrain HASH (as 
either the Info, or Details link--same content), or you can ask your contact to 
provide you the HASH value of what they received at the transfer server.  Or if 
you're conservative, just do both.
 
Practice a bit with the md5sum, md256sum and you'll soon make it habit for all 
your data transfers--even locally between your computers.
 
Stuart
 
 



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Sent: Sun 10/21/2012 6:55 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: Cloud-space? Re: [libreoffice-users] Use of MD5 and other 
HASHvalues of LibO package downloads and alternate distribution DVD uploads




My 4.2 - 4.3 GB of an ISO file takes about 9 to 10 hours to upload.

Also, I do not have access to the mirror system of servers.  I upload it
to a different server where it is them moved onto the system that it
part of the mirror sync system. [or so I have been told]  So I cannot
use the TDF system to verify my uploaded file. I do not have that option[s].

I upload to the server I have access to via Filezilla.

Personally, I really do not want to have the permissions to access the
LO folder system that is part of the system that will be mirrored.  I do
not want to have a partially uploaded file get mirrored when the local
mirror goes and syncs to the master files/folders on the LO server[s]. 
It is much safer to upload it to an outside server folder outside to
the mirrored folders, and then have a server support person move it
from the temporary folder to the one it needs to go to.  For the 3.5.7
DVD it would be the folder that holds the files for the

http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=3.5.7

page, where-ever it is located.

For a different ISO file, the link is:

http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.6/LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso

but that does not mean that it is the exact folder of
/libreoffice/box/3.5.6/ off the download.sub-domain folder but
something that the system associates with it.

I know my hosting system has a lot of relative file/folder placements
in my domain.us/folders/folders/file.html URLs.




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RE: [libreoffice-users] Use of MD5 and other HASHvalues of LibOpackage downloads and alternate distribution DVD uploads

2012-10-23 Thread V Stuart Foote
Tim,
 
To close this thread out. A review of the MirrorBrain Info or Details for 
your latest DVD compilation 
 
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=3.5.7 
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=3.5.7  - Info
or
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.7/ 
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.7/  - details
 

Mirrors for 
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.7/LO-3.5.7_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v1_oct-18-2012.iso
 
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.7/LO-3.5.7_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v1_oct-18-2012.iso
 

Powered by MirrorBrain
Size: 3.9G (4239511552 bytes)
Last modified: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:25:06 GMT (Unix time: 1350642306)
SHA-256 Hash: 
151f8e66d0f580c9e3ee63a33f1752b168ed62dbcbfb64656d20ae5e2cd799c7
SHA-1 Hash: 2cb51a758c70404de643c5b728de2c15b0b60366
MD5 Hash: c0cd7d8fcbc267ee904237a4745cfd97
BitTorrent Information Hash: 8c76b729d9c91de37cc010c0c89798465bac3bd6

 
shows the same MD5 HASH calculation you obtain before upload. You can now be 
comfortable the TDF mirrors are distributing exactly what you posted. And of 
course if they were not, you'd need to correct with another upload attempt 
until it is received correctly.
 
Stuart

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Sent: Mon 10/22/2012 7:43 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Use of MD5 and other HASHvalues of LibOpackage 
downloads and alternate distribution DVD uploads




here is the results of the md5sum command for the ISO file I uploaded to
the server admin.

timothy@timothy-desktop:~$ md5sum
LO-3.5.7_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v1_oct-18-2012.iso

c0cd7d8fcbc267ee904237a4745cfd97
LO-3.5.7_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v1_oct-18-2012.iso

timothy@timothy-desktop:~$



On 10/21/2012 09:18 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
 Tim,
  
 Very reasonable that you would not have, or want, direct write access to the 
 pool holding the master copies for distribution out to the mirrors--that is 
 syssamdin magic better handled by the folks running the mirror service.
  
 My suggestion is that you verify that the MirrorBrain HASH values for the 
 .ISO file against what you created locally prior to you upload.  That way you 
 can be certain that what you prepared will make it intact out to the mirrors. 
 Each user then must be responsible for verifying their own downloads, with 
 some trust that what is being downloaded is your original. Using the HASH 
 values facilitates that at all steps--but you set the foundation for it.
  
 You can wait for it to post up to the mirrors and grab the MirrorBrain HASH 
 (as either the Info, or Details link--same content), or you can ask your 
 contact to provide you the HASH value of what they received at the transfer 
 server.  Or if you're conservative, just do both.
  
 Practice a bit with the md5sum, md256sum and you'll soon make it habit for 
 all your data transfers--even locally between your computers.
  
 Stuart
  


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[libreoffice-users] RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?

2012-12-29 Thread V Stuart Foote
Tom,

Probably, I'm pretty certain this issue has actually been with us since the 
Java JRE 1.6 - JRE 1.7 crossover. It impacts usability with AT because large 
segments of the GUI are no longer functional with screen and brail readers 
under JRE 1.7's Java Accessibility API even though the JAB is appears to be 
delivering identical roles and obejcts.

For now, rolling back to a JRE 1.6 and its more functional JAAPI may be the 
best suggestion for LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice users in need of AT.  The 
Java dependency may eventually be dropped, depending on where things go with 
BASE and HSQLDB and implementing a non-Java accessibility bridge based AT for 
Windows, i.e.an IAccessible2 implementation or possibly an AT-SPI2 port.

Question beside the workaround of using a JRE 1.6, is if there is much 
developer and TDF Board desire to repair AT and possibly BASE for use with JRE 
1.7 and a more current HSQLDB build.

Stuart


From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:45 AM
To: Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org
Cc: V Stuart Foote
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?

Hi :)
Should the devs be made aware of problems with the newer release of Java 
(again)?

Each new release of Java creates more problems and each is soon found to have 
more security issues so another new one needs to be released quickly.  It's a 
3rd party product that is difficult to track.

Regards from
Tom :)


From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
To: accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2012, 16:13
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?

Simon,

There appears to be a change in the JRE 1.7 and JAB 2.0.3 that is reducing
the fidelity of the Java Accessibility API rendering of both LibreOffice and
OpenOffice.  This is affecting both NVDA and Jaws screen readers.

I've been unable to find any Oracle documentation on API changes from the
2.02 to 2.03  JAB or JAAPI, but something is definitely changed.  Reviewing
the JAB delivered document structure with JavaMonkey shows the 2.02
rendering to be identical with the 2.0.3 rendering--but with JRE 1.7 its
JAAPI appears to process the result differently and does not fully render
the results in either screen reader.

Are you able to roll back to JRE 1.6 and a JAB 2.0.2 installation  and
retest the issues you've had with LibreOffice 3.6.4? And otherwise asses AT
usability with the earlier Java runtimes?

Downloads needed to roll back are here:

JRE 1.6u38
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u38-downloads-1877409.html
JWin.exe installer for JAB 2.0.2 http://empowermentzone.com/JWin_setup.exe


Stuart






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