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From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013, 12:38
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Felmon Davis wrote:
anyway, I agree with Tom we shouldn't disagree about agreeing
At 09:23 16/08/2013 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
While writing documents, I try to set the paragraph style to set
spacing appropriately. I am always amazed at how many people do this
in a word processor by simply adding blank lines in the document.
It's interesting that you here talk
At 22:22 16/08/2013 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I just tried a little experiment. I typed a sentence, with a period
at the end. I then started typing the next sentence with a lower
case n. I then placed the cursor directly over the first vertical
line in the n. After I finished the word, the
At 10:03 16/08/2013 -0400, Tim Lungstrom wrote:
Ever since then, on mainframes and the PCs, I was told to always use
double-spacing after sentences. If I handed in a typed or
word-processed document and did not double space it, I was marked
off for not using the standard format.
Remember
Felmon Davis wrote:
anyway, I agree with Tom we shouldn't disagree about agreeing to
disagree.
I disagree. ;-)
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On 08/16/2013 10:08 PM, James Knott wrote:
Virgil Arrington wrote:
Just curious, since nearly every professionally published book since
the mid-1900s has had one space after sentence ending punctuation, do
you find reading books difficult?
I just picked up the closest book I had at hand. It's
At 00:22 16/08/2013 -0400, Tim Deaton wrote:
When I was learning such things back in the 1960s and 70s, a single
space between sentences would have been marked as wrong.
But that would have been on a real typewriter - or at least with a
teacher who had yet to emigrate from Typewriterland.
On 08/16/2013 03:06 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
o I would suggest that two spaces are probably useful with fixed-pitch
text as on a typewriter, especially when the sentence-ending full stop
will be spaced so far from the last character of the sentence. So
that's why we all learned that way. But
Arrington [mailto:cuyfa...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013 10:29 AM
To: James Knott; LibreOffice
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
I got my information from Robert Bringhurst's book The Elements of
Typographic Style.
I have noticed that older books from the 19th
There are mixed opinions on what to do while using a computer. In
theory, I thought that the computer was assumed to do the spacing so you
need not add two spaces. This is especially true if you use a layout
where extra spacing is used to make proportional spacing look good. In
HTML, extra
I have been to college 6 times. Three for degrees and twice to pick up
courses I wanted, one dropped out due to money issues and decided to not
go after that degree/major. I had to take several English
writing-related classes. The first degree required a typing course.
Ever since then,
I could be an arrogant d??? and say I told you so, and I rest my case.
At least I am not so strong willed as that article in the URL you
provided Virgil 8-) .
But honestly I was taught from my first days learning a language some 50
years ago to use only one space, and through my time on this
Brian Barker wrote:
I would suggest that two spaces are probably useful with fixed-pitch
text as on a typewriter
A wider space between sentences is useful, no matter how the text is
created. It clearly defines the beginning and end of a sentence and is
easier on the eyes.
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From: James Knott
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:22 AM
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Virgil Arrington wrote:
The typographic standard is to only use one space between sentences
with proportionally spaced fonts
On 08/16/2013 01:26 PM, Doug wrote:
On 08/16/2013 12:26 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013, Bruce Carlson wrote:
/snip/
this whole discussion rather puzzles me. I'm out of it because I've
never heard of a rule requiring double spaces between sentences (born
and raised in the US).
] Can't find setting
At 21:23 14/08/2013 -0500, Michael Morse wrote:
For some reason, I am no longer able to make a series of spaces
using the space bar. After one space, pressing the space bar will
not advance the cursor.
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Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options
and remove the tick from
On 08/16/2013 10:50 AM, James Knott wrote:
Brian Barker wrote:
I would suggest that two spaces are probably useful with fixed-pitch
text as on a typewriter
A wider space between sentences is useful, no matter how the text is
created. It clearly defines the beginning and end of a sentence and
.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013, 1:28
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
On 08/16/2013 10:50 AM, James Knott wrote:
Brian Barker wrote
Virgil Arrington wrote:
Just curious, since nearly every professionally published book since
the mid-1900s has had one space after sentence ending punctuation, do
you find reading books difficult?
I just picked up the closest book I had at hand. It's Computer
Networks, by Andrew Tanenbaum
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013, James Knott wrote:
Virgil Arrington wrote:
Just curious, since nearly every professionally published book since
the mid-1900s has had one space after sentence ending punctuation, do
you find reading books difficult?
I just picked up the closest book I had at hand. It's
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013, Doug wrote:
On 08/16/2013 12:26 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013, Bruce Carlson wrote:
/snip/
this whole discussion rather puzzles me. I'm out of it because I've
never heard of a rule requiring double spaces between sentences (born
and raised in the US).
Brian Barker wrote:
Rejoice! This is how all word processors should work. Countable
spaces exist only in Typewriterland. With proper type faces, the
space between words is anything from a minimum value up to whatever is
required to range across a line. The spacebar no longer represents an
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From: James Knott
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:23 AM
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Brian Barker wrote:
Rejoice! This is how all word processors should work. Countable
spaces exist only in Typewriterland
raggedy.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com
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Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013, 13:23
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Brian Barker wrote:
Rejoice! This is how all word
On 8/15/2013 8:23 AM, James Knott wrote:
I have long been in the habit of putting a double space between
sentences. I learned that in a typing class, IIRC. What's the proper
proceedure in LO?
I remember reading several years ago that the double spaces are no
longer needed because the
Virgil Arrington wrote:
The typographic standard is to only use one space between sentences
with proportionally spaced fonts.
In the old hand set type (which I have worked with) there were different
width spaces (en em quads), depending on where they were used.
Typically, an en quad was used
Ruth Ann wrote:
I remember reading several years ago that the double spaces are no
longer needed because the software knows to adjust the spacing. So I
would say that with the modern text editors, the proper procedure
would be to just use a single space and let the software handle the
Tom Davies wrote:
I think current fashion is to use a single space to make it less obvious
where a new sentence begins and thus mke it marginally more difficult to
read. I still tend to use 2 spaces. Doubtless, fashion will change back to
the way youi learned, or maybe go to a new
On 8/15/2013 10:28 AM, James Knott wrote:
So, how would it tell the difference between the end of a sentence,
terminated with a period and a sentence containing a period used as part
of an abbreviation such as Dr. or etc.?
Having just spent several weeks learning all about Object Oriented
I wouldn't have thought to introduce the topic of letterpress printing
here, but since James Knott has, replete with monstrous errors,
correction is in order.
No letterpress compositor would employ an en quad as an interword space,
except possibly when justifying.
A standard job case
Miss Keating wrote:
No letterpress compositor would employ an en quad as an interword
space, except possibly when justifying.
A standard job case contains, along with the various quads, typemetal
spaces in 3 sizes: 3-to-the-em, 4-to-the-em,
and 5-to-the-em. There are also thin spaces, not
In this thread, and as Miss Keating has corrected some reference of
actual printing of the hard copy type, we are forgetting punctuation and
a language layout in how it was and is handwritten, how it has been
adapted for typesetting / letterpress printing, and hey presto how we
are all
Well, that's what someone decided, and it is the standard for HTML, but
it still is not universally accepted. A double space, whatever minimal
width the space is, makes it clear that a sentence has ended. There is
an obvious difference from a single space following an abbreviation, for
Which would be fine, but it doesn't.
Dave
On 8/15/2013 09:17, Ruth Ann wrote:
On 8/15/2013 10:28 AM, James Knott wrote:
So, how would it tell the difference between the end of a sentence,
terminated with a period and a sentence containing a period used as part
of an abbreviation such as Dr.
Umm!! No Dave, that's what thousands of years of language and millions
of literary academics and scholars, since time of man to present decided
on in language standards, especially as we are referring to here, the
English language.
Nothing to do with just HTML, a computer born programming
AM
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On 8/15/2013 8:23 AM, James Knott wrote:
I have long been in the habit of putting a double space between
sentences. I learned that in a typing class, IIRC. What's the proper
proceedure in LO?
I remember
.
Virgil
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From: James Knott
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:22 AM
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Virgil Arrington wrote:
The typographic standard is to only use one space between sentences
with proportionally spaced fonts
Andrew Brown wrote:
on in language standards, especially as we are referring to here, the
English language.
Nothing to do with just HTML, a computer born programming language and
not a literary language. The single space IS universally accepted as
the norm for correct spacing in whatever
When I was learning such things back in the 1960s and 70s, a single
space between sentences would have been marked as wrong. Things do have
a way of constantly changing (evolving or deteriorating, depending on
your opinion), but I still stick to the two-space standard after the
sentence. I
[mailto:cuyfa...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013 10:29 AM
To: James Knott; LibreOffice
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
I got my information from Robert Bringhurst's book The Elements of Typographic
Style.
I have noticed that older books from the 19th century had
At 21:23 14/08/2013 -0500, Michael Morse wrote:
For some reason, I am no longer able to make a series of spaces
using the space bar. After one space, pressing the space bar will
not advance the cursor.
Rejoice! This is how all word processors should work. Countable
spaces exist only in
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