Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-08-01 Thread sun shine
On 31/07/13 13:20, James Knott wrote: Urmas wrote: Another major reason are huge bribes given to government officials to deploy {Libre|Open}Office solutions in budget-funding institutions worldwide. Actually, if you care to check the facts, it's Microsoft that's been doing that. +1 Urmas -

[libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-08-01 Thread Urmas
According to http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey, Windows 8 is working on 14% of computers. It's more than 10 times Linux marketshare. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/

[libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-08-01 Thread Urmas
Are you aware OpenXML perpetuates that year 1900 Excel bug and makes it standard? Did you know about all the non-disclosed binary blobs that are part of OpenXML? It is much more better than an ODF, which documents nothing, and depends on a reference implementation from a single vendor, Sun.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-08-01 Thread Andrew Brown
Urmas Steam is a game platform, and here's some facts from their own info web page - quote As of December 2012, there are nearly 2000 games available through Steam,^and 54 million active user accounts. As of January 2013, Steam has seen over 6.6 million concurrent players. Steam has an

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-08-01 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-08-01 7:31 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: Urmas Steam is a game platform, and here's some facts from their own info web Please don't feed the trolls -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-08-01 Thread James Knott
Urmas wrote: According to http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey, Windows 8 is working on 14% of computers. It's more than 10 times Linux marketshare. Lessee now. I have 5 computers here. Only one has Windows on it and it spends most of it's time running Linux. I have a tablet and a smart

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-08-01 Thread James Knott
Urmas wrote: It is much more better than an ODF, which documents nothing, and depends on a reference implementation from a single vendor, Sun. Year 1900 being a leap one is a universal convention which predates Excel for several years. What planet are you living on? ODF documents are

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-08-01 Thread Tanstaafl
Please don't feed the troll! On 2013-08-01 7:57 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Urmas wrote: It is much more better than an ODF, which documents nothing, and depends on a reference implementation from a single vendor, Sun. Year 1900 being a leap one is a universal convention

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-08-01 Thread Tom Davies
from Tom :)  From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 12:50 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3 Urmas wrote: According to http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey, Windows

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-31 Thread Andrew Brown
Urmas Of which it has never been fully ratified and accepted as an open document standard, the argument still proceeds today over the MS open standards. - Standardization process Main article: Standardization of

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-31 Thread Andrew Brown
Again, you troll with no supply of facts. My response was out by 2% WOW!!! but this article includes tablets and Windows RT http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-8-and-windows-rt-account-45-global-tablet-market-share-q2-2013 Andrew Brown On 31/07/2013 04:45 AM, Urmas wrote: Just know that

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-31 Thread Andrew Brown
And some more info and statics with charts, to refudiate your claims of Windows XP and Vista (the latter also a disaster for MS) of combined market share. http://www.statista.com/topics/823/microsoft/chart/799/market-share-of-selected-windows-operating-systems/ And it shows what you know of

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-31 Thread Tom Davies
...@icon.co.za To: Urmas davian...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 9:37 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3 And some more info and statics with charts, to refudiate your claims of Windows XP and Vista (the latter also a disaster for MS) of combined

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-31 Thread Andrew Brown
*Sent:* Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 9:37 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3 And some more info and statics with charts, to refudiate your claims of Windows XP and Vista (the latter also a disaster for MS) of combined market share. http://www.statista.com/topics/823

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-31 Thread James Knott
Urmas wrote: So the open document standards were born and ratified and accpeted by the majority of the world that counts. Microsoft is using an open standard format called OpenXML. Stop pushing your vendor-locked ODF crap here please. You may want to read up a bit on OpenXML and how it was

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-31 Thread James Knott
Urmas wrote: Another major reason are huge bribes given to government officials to deploy {Libre|Open}Office solutions in budget-funding institutions worldwide. Actually, if you care to check the facts, it's Microsoft that's been doing that. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-31 Thread James Knott
Tom Davies wrote: Netbooks died off for 1 reason only. That was because people wanted Windows on them Actually, there was a bit of MS strong arming manufacturers as well. I have an Asus Eee PC, which I loaned to a friend. She loves it, even though her computer experience had previously been

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-31 Thread James Knott
Andrew Brown wrote: yes where MS currently dominates, but not for long. Of course one also has to look at why MS dominates. The reasons include strong arming and extortion. MS has long been an unethical company, going back to when Bill Gates and Paul Allen developed a BASIC interpreter for the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-31 Thread jomali
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:37 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: And some more info and statics with charts, to refudiate your claims of Windows XP and Vista (the latter also a disaster for MS) of combined market share. http://www.statista.com/**topics/823/microsoft/chart/**

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-31 Thread Andrew Brown
Hi Jomali Agreed iOS and OSX are built from portions of BSD, as well as NextStep (OpenStep, once Apple bought out the Next company), but it also does not play a major role in mainframes and servers, but I concede it did for a long time dominate the tablet market, and raised the desktop and

[libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-30 Thread Urmas
Andrew Brown: So the open document standards were born and ratified and accpeted by the majority of the world that counts. Microsoft is using an open standard format called OpenXML. Stop pushing your vendor-locked ODF crap here please. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:

[libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-30 Thread Urmas
Virgil Arrington: I hope the LO developers are motivated by a desire to produce a great product that can be used worldwide. No, they are motivated by an attempt to commodize office software market for promoting 3rd party software and hardware. Another major reason are huge bribes given to

[libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-30 Thread Urmas
Just know that they are taking a knock, what with Windows 8 only migrating into less than 2% of the world market of their existing XP and Windows 7 base Windows 8 already has a market share of Windows XP and Vista combined on newer hardware (It's about 9 times of Linux marketshare, btw.).

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

2013-07-30 Thread Steve Edmonds
Not Quite to my understanding. Office 2013 has the option to use the strict standard, but it's not the default as any older office versions couldn't open the documents. The format in use prior to and by default in office 2013 is a transitional format. Steve On 2013-07-31 14:29, Urmas wrote: