Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread James E Lang
On February 26, 2014 7:37:15 AM PST, James Knott wrote: > Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 10:08 -0500, James Knott wrote: > > > >> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice > >> > > That doesn't work on my Kindle - tried it and kept getting an error

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread James Knott
Jonathon wrote: > Two major issues with tablets as desktop/laptop replacements, is that they > are neither multi-tasking, nor multi-user. Later versions of Android support multiple users. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread Jonathon
On February 26, 2014 4:58:25 AM PST, James Knott wrote: >There is a version of OpenOffice for Android now available. That will certainly meet your requirements for working with ODF on a tablet, AndroOffice is suitable only for editing _small_ documents. The major issues are: * Navigation.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread James Knott
James E Lang wrote: > I wish I could afford to purchase a 10" Android tablet. As it stands I am > running this app on my 4.1" Motorola Atrix phone and though it's imperfect I > am thrilled to be able to do so. Some day … :-) I have a Nexus 7 tablet and Nexus 5 phone. There are certainly thing

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread James Knott
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 10:08 -0500, James Knott wrote: > >> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice >> > That doesn't work on my Kindle - tried it and kept getting an error > message about not being able to download resources... > > That would

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 10:08 -0500, James Knott wrote: > > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice > That doesn't work on my Kindle - tried it and kept getting an error message about not being able to download resources... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr..

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread James Knott
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: >> There is a version of OpenOffice for Android now available. That will >> > certainly meet your requirements for working with ODF on a tablet, >> > though you'll want one with a large display. >> > >> > > If you're talking about Euro Office, it only supports odt at

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Please can anyone with anything to say about ODF please post comments to the consultation exercise http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20140220165521599 I think you can post even if you are not English or have trouble writing in English. Go for it! My view is that

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 07:58 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: > > Now once we have LO for Android and Mac "i" devices, > > There is a version of OpenOffice for Android now available. That will > certainly meet your requirements for working with ODF on a tablet, > though y

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread James Knott
Jim Seymour wrote: > I agree, re: The role of I.T. I.T. is not an end, but a means. ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfou

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread Virgil Arrington
Kracked wrote: The International Standards people choose ODF. So now we can start asking people to use the International Standard for office suite file formats - ODF. Sure MS really needs to get their act together and read/write ODF properly so they to will offer "THE standard" - ODF. This

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread Jim Seymour
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:36:51 + Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: [snip] > The IT dept refused to install it, saying they hadn't been > "consulted". One example of the organisation existing for the IT > dept's benefit, rather than the other way round! ;-) I guess I was being too subtle, by far :).

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread Virgil Arrington
Gordon wrote: The IT dept refused to install it, saying they hadn't been "consulted". One example of the organisation existing for the IT dept's benefit, rather than the other way round! ;-) been there Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? ht

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread James Knott
Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: > Now once we have LO for Android and Mac "i" devices, There is a version of OpenOffice for Android now available. That will certainly meet your requirements for working with ODF on a tablet, though you'll want one with a large display. -- To unsubscribe e-mail t

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 06:59 -0500, Jim Seymour wrote: > We've avoided IT falling under control of the bean counters, where I > work. If that ever changes: I'm outta here. On the other side of the coin, I was a Group Management/Systems accountant in a publicly-quoted IT company some years ago. We

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread Jim Seymour
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:27:58 -0500 Jay Lozier wrote: > Pedro > > I stand corrected. Thanks, > > I in the US where I am and the US tech press rarely mentions Europe > is moving towards ODF. (Snide comments about faux journalists being > MS lap dogs). [snip] More a case of the U.S. being U.S.-ce

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread Jim Seymour
As an aside: The following is why things are they way they are in business, any more. On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:54:35 -0500 "Virgil Arrington" wrote: > Since the IT department was > under the authority of the finance department, ... [snip] We've avoided IT falling under control of the bean counter

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-26 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster
I had great hope for RTF, but that bombed. Load an RTF file into four different word processors, and you'll see four different documents. Virgil -Original Message- From: Pedro Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:26 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread James Knott
Doug wrote: > but when I really > need to get down and dirty, WP is the place to be. Many years ago, I occasionally had to use WP at work. I much preferred Wordstar 2000. Back then I was using PC-Write at home. ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Proble

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread Doug
-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK Virgil Arrington wrote: A few years ago, most lawyers in the U.S. used WordPerfect, and they really liked it. It had some features that were very suitable for the law office. However, most of their corporate clients were using Word. (Nobody ever got

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread Virgil Arrington
I believe I read somewhere that it was the law firm that MS had hired that was using WordPerfect. -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:42 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread James Knott
Virgil Arrington wrote: > A few years ago, most lawyers in the U.S. used WordPerfect, and they > really liked it. It had some features that were very suitable for the > law office. However, most of their corporate clients were using Word. > (Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft). Over time, l

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread Jay Lozier
Pedro I stand corrected. Thanks, I in the US where I am and the US tech press rarely mentions Europe is moving towards ODF. (Snide comments about faux journalists being MS lap dogs). Jay On 02/25/2014 06:13 PM, Pedro wrote: Hi Jay Jay Lozier wrote This effect will be magnified if Europ

[libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread Pedro
Hi Jay Jay Lozier wrote > This effect will be magnified if Europe follows the UK lead. Sorry to burst your UK centric bubble :) Most European countries have already decided for ODF... UK is not leading, it's following. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_adoption Cheers, Pedro (from Por

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread Jay Lozier
ibreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK On 02/25/2014 01:21 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I haven't followed the entirety of this thread, but I live in a world which is (sadly perhaps) dominated by M$. Here in the U.S., Asus is running commercials about how good thei

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread Virgil Arrington
then, I would use OpenOffice when I didn't need to share files with others, just to assert my freedom. Virgil -Original Message- From: Jay Lozier Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:46 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF agains

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread Jay Lozier
On 02/25/2014 01:21 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I haven't followed the entirety of this thread, but I live in a world which is (sadly perhaps) dominated by M$. Here in the U.S., Asus is running commercials about how good their netbooks are because they run "Office" (as opposed to Google Apps

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Sadly it's not possible to avoid being a fundamentalist with regards to this issue. Avoiding being a fundamentalist for one means tacitly encouraging the blocking of it by the dominant one. People are so unaware of their even being a choice that by not spreading knowledge of ODF people are

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread Jim Seymour
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:21:29 -0500 "Virgil Arrington" wrote: [snip] > > I often have to write documents that are sent to colleagues who are > using M$. What I write *must* be readable by their chosen program. > They are not going to listen to an LO evangelist proclaiming the > gospel of ODF. [sn

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread Virgil Arrington
y, February 25, 2014 11:26 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK nabbler wrote Good summary, worth more than 2 ¢! :) ;) nabbler wrote The problem here, as I see it, is that ODF is still in it's infancy. E.g. only recentl

[libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread Pedro
nabbler wrote > Good summary, worth more than 2 ¢! :) ;) nabbler wrote >> The problem here, as I see it, is that ODF is still in it's infancy. E.g. >> only recently ODF (under LibreOffice 4.1) started supporting font >> embedding >> which is an essential feature for anyone working with vector gr

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-25 Thread e-letter
On 24/02/2014, Pedro wrote: > Hi Jim > > > Jim Seymour wrote >> This is all rather unbecoming, don't you guys think? > > Not really. This is just the two extremist sides of the ODF vs MS-formats. > There are indeed some users (not Tanstaafl) who just want a free office > suite that perfectly suppo

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-24 Thread Toki
On 2/23/2014 5:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote: >but almost everyone, even MS seem to have trouble implementing OOXML consistently. MS is waiting for a BSD licensed implementation of OOXML that they can incorporate into MSO. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffic

[libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-24 Thread Pedro
Hi Jim Jim Seymour wrote > This is all rather unbecoming, don't you guys think? Not really. This is just the two extremist sides of the ODF vs MS-formats. There are indeed some users (not Tanstaafl) who just want a free office suite that perfectly supports MS-formats (and don't care about free f

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-24 Thread Jim Seymour
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:16:50 -0500 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2014-02-24 1:10 PM, e-letter wrote: > > You are unaware of the numbers of m$ fans that pollute this list > > demanding that the priority of LO is not to produce high quality > > native odf output, > > Never ever seen anyone say anything l

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-24 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2014-02-24 1:10 PM, e-letter wrote: You are unaware of the numbers of m$ fans that pollute this list demanding that the priority of LO is not to produce high quality native odf output, Never ever seen anyone say anything like that... but instead to produce perfect m$ documents. Definite

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-24 Thread e-letter
On 23/02/2014, alexanderW wrote: > The proposal is only about using ODF, HTML, CSV and TXT as file formats. > It doesn't mention which software would be used, so I don't see how your > comment is relevant. > You are unaware of the numbers of m$ fans that pollute this list demanding that the prior

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Don't worry about e-letter's comments! If the proposals are about the formats then it might be worth mentioning that all different programs seem to have no trouble implementing ODF as written-up in the ISO spec but almost everyone, even MS seem to have trouble implementing OOXML consistently

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-23 Thread Jay Lozier
On 02/23/2014 08:10 AM, alexanderW wrote: The proposal is only about using ODF, HTML, CSV and TXT as file formats. It doesn't mention which software would be used, so I don't see how your comment is relevant. My understanding is that each ministry could use whatever application they wish as lon

[libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK

2014-02-23 Thread alexanderW
The proposal is only about using ODF, HTML, CSV and TXT as file formats. It doesn't mention which software would be used, so I don't see how your comment is relevant. Am 23.02.2014 13:49, schrieb nabbler [via Document Foundation Mail Archive]: > On 23/02/2014, Alexander Wilms <[hidden email] >