for their jobs (or whatever) list.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Monday, 19 November 2012, 13:34
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Thanks, Regina. I
Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012, 10:11
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 21/11/2012 at 03:13, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote:
Both aspects together is a chance for LibO and AOO. I
2012/11/21 Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com
On 11/21/2012 09:04 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
On 21.11.2012 12:11, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
On 21/11/2012 at 03:13, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote:
Both aspects together is a chance for LibO and AOO. I am looking
forward to
the
On 21/11/2012 at 03:13, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote:
Both aspects together is a chance for LibO and AOO. I am looking forward to
the announcement that both teams tie up, slow down the development of new
features and substantially reduce the bugs.
This is very unlikely.
There are
On 11/21/2012 09:04 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
On 21.11.2012 12:11, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
On 21/11/2012 at 03:13, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote:
Both aspects together is a chance for LibO and AOO. I am looking
forward to
the announcement that both teams tie up, slow down the
On 19/11/2012, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
The OOXML specifications are at least as complete and rigorous as the ODF
ones.
Every indication is that the ODF 1.2 support in Office 2013 is quite good.
Of particular importance to many users is that OpenFormula is now
Don Myers wrote:
I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it
comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than
what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was
something like $50 per computer that the computer companies pay
Microsoft
Carl Paulsen wrote:
Here, here. But what about gov'ts mandating simply that the format
structure be open (without mandating a specific one be used)? That's
not political IMHO.
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20121119172623282
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Don Myers wrote:
I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it
comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than what
the public pays
VA,
In reply to your E-mail from 20-11-2012, 14:05 with subject
[libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?.
V MS must use several different methods of pushing its Office. My Sony laptop
V came with Win7 and a Starter version of Office. I have a stripped down
V version of Word
On 11/19/2012 07:04 PM, James Knott wrote:
VA wrote:
Nobody is forced to purchase MS products.
Try and buy a computer without Windows. While there are some
available, they're rare. Also, read up on the MS anti trust cases to
see how they forced market share with illegal and near illegal
On 11/20/2012 09:12 AM, P.J. Koeleman. wrote:
VA,
In reply to your E-mail from 20-11-2012, 14:05 with subject [libreoffice-users] Re:
OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?.
V MS must use several different methods of pushing its Office. My Sony laptop
V came with Win7 and a Starter version
On 11/20/2012 06:15 AM, James Knott wrote:
Don Myers wrote:
I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when
it comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less
than what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was
something like $50 per
for MS.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 1:51
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Without trying to defend MS, it can
@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 11:15
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Don Myers wrote:
I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it comes
on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than what
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 1:50
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Here, here. But what about gov'ts mandating simply that the format
structure be open (without mandating a specific one be used)? That's
: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 1:40
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
I get a discount for purchasing without windows.
I say I want that machine, no windows, take it off the price, and save myself
some dollars.
Steve
On 2012-11-20 13:57, VA wrote:
I'm
On 19/11/2012 at 14:34, Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net wrote:
So is there a simple list of SPECIFIC ways users can contribute
(templates is a good example) that is easily found?
Not sure if this is specific enough, but take a look here:
it or even grown in
popularity once it becomes naughty.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Monday, 19 November 2012, 21:09
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg
:)
From: Don C. Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 17:02
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 11/20/2012 06:15 AM, James Knott wrote:
Don Myers wrote:
I have never purchased
, 20 November 2012, 18:19
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Hi :)
If it's for myself i do very little to the Windows side except perhaps install
Firefox and LibreOffice. I just don't use Windows if i can possibly avoid
it. However if it's
*To:* users@global.libreoffice.org
*Sent:* Monday, 19 November 2012, 21:09
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in
Freiburg ?
On 11/19/2012 02:24 PM, VA wrote:
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my
government dictating
Hi,
in my office as a medical pracitioner, I probably had the same situation but
sized down as Freiburg is having while switching to OO/LO.
Yes, I had a lot of work invested into forms, autotexts, dictionary and many
makros (Fachanwendungen) to be used with Word2000 and Access2.0+Works.
Yes,
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Hi :)
If it's for myself i do very little to the Windows side except perhaps install
Firefox and LibreOffice. I just don't use Windows if i can possibly avoid it.
However if it's for a colleague or friend that's when i
On 11/20/2012 01:33 PM, Walther Koehler wrote:
Hi,
in my office as a medical pracitioner, I probably had the same situation but
sized down as Freiburg is having while switching to OO/LO.
Yes, I had a lot of work invested into forms, autotexts, dictionary and many
makros (Fachanwendungen) to be
On 2012-11-21 01:04, Jay Lozier wrote:
Truthfully the market has matured enough for office suites that improvements are incremental not
fundamentalThe market growth for MS is much slower because for many there is
no major reason to upgrade for many unless forced to by lack
2012/11/19 rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de
Like Carl. I unfortunately cannot contribute to development work.
I would just like to come back to productivity and my own experience:
LibO has features which are as good or better than MSO in respect to
productivity. What reduces my productivity
On 2012-11-19 1:40 AM, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote:
This can be achieved with many bugs less and full compatibility. MSO
doesn' come up with a new format every week, thus our devs have a very
good chance to adjust LibO to full compatibility.
Sounds easy, doesn't it? Until you realize
2012/11/19 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
On 2012-11-19 1:40 AM, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote:
This can be achieved with many bugs less and full compatibility. MSO
doesn' come up with a new format every week, thus our devs have a very
good chance to adjust LibO to full
On 2012-11-19 6:54 AM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/11/19 Tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org
snip
I don't see this happening any more. Microsoft is on a roll now, coming
out with new versions *far* more often than they used to (which means they
can 'improve' the file formats
2012/11/19 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
On 2012-11-19 6:54 AM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/11/19 Tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org
snip
An excellent exposition of the methods used by Microsoft to «protect» its
«intellectual property» - more accurately described
.
Virgil
-Original Message-
From: Tanstaafl
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:32 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 2012-11-19 6:54 AM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/11/19 Tanstaafltansta
Hi,
Carl Paulsen schrieb:
In practical use, I would NOT say LO (or OOo) has a high file
compatibility with MS Office. Virtually every file I receive from MS
Office users has some kind of problem (bullet lists almost NEVER convert
correctly, at least from MSO to LO). I'm only an occasional
Thanks, Regina. I know there are other ways to contribute, but I don't
necessarily know what they are. Templates is one way, but the real
issue I see is going from MSO to LO/OO. We can't control the other end.
So is there a simple list of SPECIFIC ways users can contribute
(templates is a
I contribute to LibreOffice by working on the North American Community
DVD Project in creating English distribution DVDs. Also I have created
the largest [so I have been told] spell checking dictionaries for
American English, British English, and Canadian English. Also, I try to
help
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in
Freiburg ?
On 2012-11-19 6:54 AM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/11/19 Tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org
snip
I don't see this happening any more. Microsoft is on a roll now, coming
Jay wrote:
ODF formats are the international standard so technically MS is not
being standards compliant. This may be very useful if someone where to
sue MS for monopolistic practices.
I think there's a difference between standards as declared by computer
developers and societies and standards
What a discussion has been started. Great!
As for doing revers engineering on binary files, I know how difficult it is. However, it is not
impossible. Should the great devs of AOO and LibO be enabled to join forces, there is a tremendous
know-how and manpower available. I just hope that people
Hi Carl,
Le 2012-11-19 08:34, Carl Paulsen a écrit :
Thanks, Regina. I know there are other ways to contribute, but I don't
necessarily know what they are. Templates is one way, but the real
issue I see is going from MSO to LO/OO. We can't control the other end.
So is there a simple list of
I was one of the one who sent a direct email to you (should have kept it on
list, my apologies) about contributing. QA is actively trying to grow and
requires very little (if any) programming skills. If you'd like to help out
with QA (triaging mostly right now), let us know and we'll help you get
On 11/19/2012 09:52 AM, VA wrote:
Jay wrote:
ODF formats are the international standard so technically MS is not
being standards compliant. This may be very useful if someone where to
sue MS for monopolistic practices.
I think there's a difference between standards as declared by
computer
Hi Everyone,
When the Microsoft formats were approved as an ISO standard, wasn't that
supposed to make the information on their formats available to everyone
else? From what I've read through the years, they have failed to
implement their own ISO standards. Shouldn't there be some way to
Hi Everyone,
Don C. Myers schrieb:
Hi Everyone,
When the Microsoft formats were approved as an ISO standard, wasn't that
supposed to make the information on their formats available to everyone
else?
You can get the OOXML standard from
On 2012-11-19 12:43 PM, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote:
You can get the OOXML standard from
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-376.htm
Are you actually suggesting that this is either complete or accurate?
You can get the binary file format
for a few years. All of the specifications are freely
downloadable.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Don C. Myers [mailto:donmy...@myersfarm.com]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 08:57
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped
On 19/11/12 17:59, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
I've also heard that European versions of Microsoft Office can be set to have
ODF as the default format.
That's correct - on a fresh install of Office 2010 it asks whether you
want ODF or OOXML as the default document type.
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19, 2012 09:59
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 2012-11-19 12:43 PM, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote:
You can get the OOXML standard from
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-376
:57
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Hi Everyone,
When the Microsoft formats were approved as an ISO standard, wasn't that
supposed to make the information on their formats available to everyone
else? From what I've
Thanks, all. My resources are such that it'd be hard for me to
contribute much, but it's helpful to know there are small ways I could
pitch in. I will see if I can make room to contribute in some way. And
the specific suggestions are indeed helpful.
Carl
On 11/19/12 11:31 AM, Joel Madero
On 11/19/2012 01:13 PM, Steven Bradley wrote:
I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto
standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any
agency, company government, or individual is backward compatibility. I have
many documents that are
-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 11/19/2012 01:13 PM, Steven Bradley wrote:
I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto
standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any
agency, company government, or individual is backward
2012/11/19 VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government
dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents.
Virgil
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is a multi-national
corporation, responsible to no one
Steven Bradley wrote:
I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto
standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any
agency, company government, or individual is backward compatibility. I have
many documents that are difficult for me to retrieve,
Well said Henri!
On 11/19/2012 03:15 PM, M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government
dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents.
Virgil
At the risk of getting political, the last
M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government
dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents.
Virgil
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is a multi-national
On 11/19/2012 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2012-11-19 12:43 PM, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote:
You can get the OOXML standard from
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-376.htm
Are you actually suggesting that this is either complete or accurate?
You
with
Microsoft.
Virgil
-Original Message-
From: M Henri Day
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:15 PM
To: VA
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
2012/11/19 VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com
At the risk of getting political, the last
to lower costs for consumers.
-Original Message- From: Jay Lozier
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:16 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in
Freiburg ?
On 11/19/2012 01:13 PM, Steven Bradley wrote:
I remember this discussion
On 19/11/2012 at 15:52, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:
I think there's a difference between standards as declared by computer
developers and societies and standards determined by the marketplace.
I believe that lawyers call them de facto standard and... we would really
like this to be
I think my point, apparently not clear, was that governments themselves
would say, We will only *use* software that meets these criteria. I don't
support governments mandating file types, or intervening in my private
business. However, they are by far the biggest elephant in the room, and
if, for
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
I think my point, apparently not clear, was that governments themselves
would say, We will only *use* software that meets these criteria. I don't
support governments mandating file types
VA wrote:
Nobody is forced to purchase MS products.
Try and buy a computer without Windows. While there are some available,
they're rare. Also, read up on the MS anti trust cases to see how they
forced market share with illegal and near illegal methods, including
extortion.
--
For
without our collective
permission.
Virgil
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From: James Knott
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:04 PM
To: LibreOffice
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
VA wrote:
Nobody is forced to purchase MS products.
Try and buy
, 2012 7:04 PM
To: LibreOffice
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in
Freiburg ?
VA wrote:
Nobody is forced to purchase MS products.
Try and buy a computer without Windows. While there are some available,
they're rare. Also, read up on the MS anti trust cases to see
Here, here. But what about gov'ts mandating simply that the format
structure be open (without mandating a specific one be used)? That's not
political IMHO.
Carl
On 11/19/12 3:15 PM, M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I
Without trying to defend MS, it can only dominate markets that
customers allow it to dominate. Nobody is forced to purchase MS
products. They do so because, for whatever reason, they perceive that
MS serves their needs. One of those needs is file compatibility with
others, which by its
Wow! I didn't mean to cause such a firestorm of discussionbut isn't it
good?? and isn't this why there IS open source software?? So that we can
create, and eventually have our creations exist and be read by the next
generation?? File formats are the new paper. It's important that no one
I spend my money. MS cannot dominate
my computer without my permission or the software market without our
collective permission.
Virgil
-Original Message- From: James Knott
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:04 PM
To: LibreOffice
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice
that producers has to
choose between windows and linux.
From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com
To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
VA
NoOp wrote
apache.incubator.ooo.user
and
documentfoundation.discuss
are probably better.
Actually I think this would fit better on the Discuss forum.
It's not an OpenOffice problem only if you bothered to read the article.
It is a bit worrying that they never updated OpenOffice or even
On 11/18/2012 04:24 AM, Pedro wrote:
NoOp wrote
apache.incubator.ooo.user
and
documentfoundation.discuss
are probably better.
Actually I think this would fit better on the Discuss forum.
It's not an OpenOffice problem only if you bothered to read the article.
If you had only bothered
NoOp wrote
Which part of that do you not understand?
This part
apache.incubator.ooo.user
You are correct that I didn't notice the second option (apologies for that).
I wrongly assumed it was another ooo link
But redirecting a LibreOffice issue to an ooo forum doesn't make any sense.
And this
interfaces
or command structures. I would say file compatibility is the primary reason
companies keep buying MS Office.
Virgil
-Original Message-
From: Pedro
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:25 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice
-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
NoOp wrote
Which part of that do you not understand?
This part
apache.incubator.ooo.user
You are correct that I didn't notice the second option (apologies for that).
I wrongly assumed it was another ooo link
But redirecting a LibreOffice issue
interfaces or command structures. I would say file compatibility is
the primary reason companies keep buying MS Office.
Virgil
-Original Message- From: Pedro
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:25 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped
is the primary reason companies keep buying MS Office.
Virgil
-Original Message- From: Pedro
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:25 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
NoOp wrote
Which part of that do you
On 11/17/2012 11:04 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
Is this the proper forum to look for an informed discussion concerning what
seems to be the Frieburg Municipal Council's impending decision to abandon
OpenOffice and go back to Microsoft Office (
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