I am changing the subject - should have done that long ago. Short answer: Whether a list service send out new posts to every e-mail subscriber or suppresses those back to the originator of a new post is a function of the list service software and available settings.
It has nothing to do with the e-mail system that is used to send the post, so long as it is sent by e-mail. Whether something else happens in your e-mail client is independent of what the list-service does with e-mailed posts it receives. - Dennis LONGER NARRATIVE Whether you see your own posts echoed by an e-mail list in your inbox has nothing to do with how they are sent to the list. You see the posts on the lists here if you are a subscriber. There may be options on the list to not echo posts from the sender back to the subscriber, but that is not the default for *this* list. Also, if you as a sender have been moderated as acceptable to the list, whether or not you have subscribed, your posts may appear on a list but not echoed to you (because you are not a subscriber). I don't know if this list is moderated that way. A list that I moderate does allow me to approve senders who are not subscribers, so their posts don't have to go through moderation after that. Finally, some lists allow subscribers to not receive any e-mail from the list, especially if you have to be subscribed to send. Then the way you read the list is via the web interface to the list archive or by using a tool like GMANE, perhaps. If you use the web interface on this list to post a message, you are not using your e-mail client at all. As far as I know, every e-mail subscriber, including yourself, will receive the post that the list sends out to all subscribers, when the post is made using the web-browser interface of this list. Everything above is totally about what the list service might or might not do. Now about the sending e-mail system: Whether your e-mail client retains its own copies of what you send somewhere is independent of that. I have my e-mail client file replies in the same folder as the message I am replying to. So I will see the reply that I sent and I will see that same message echoed on the list itself (because of rules I have set for incoming mail from this list). I use the first copy, of what I sent and which shows up as soon as I do a send of my outbox contents, as a reminder of what I am waiting for. That is part of my e-mail ritual. Sometimes, I keep the original that was sent because the list server modifies the formatting of the ones it sends out (say, by forcing fixed maximum line lengths and word-wrapping, something that, if this list did, would stop NoOp from yelling at me, though the service doesn't know how to change a top post to any-thing else [;<). I could have the reply that I sent simply be in my send-mail folder, but I would still receive the version that was sent to list subscribers by the list. It is conceivable that mail services might suppress what are obviously returns of messages that were originated by the account receiving them. That is pretty freaky. I hope it doesn't really happen that way. I don't believe it happens for Brian, because if it did he would have no expectation of receiving echoes from any lists. He is also not using a gmail address (though he could still be using gmail as a sender). There are many places where e-mail and list-service protocols act on the mails sent from our outboxes in the chain of actions that has the list send posts to subscribers and that has subscribers receive posts in their inboxes. Some components in this process can inject inappropriate actions that have unintended consequences, simply because someone did not respect all of the distributed variations and "fixed" something in the wrong place. Folklore about what is happening arises easily, because most of us never see what happens from one end to the other, and think that everyone sees incoming messages the same way, the way it was seen when it was sent. It doesn't work like that. And, in general, it is not possible for a sender to anticipate all of the variations of what folks will see when a single list post is sent. Likewise, what a recipient sees need having little to do with what other recipients might see. So it goes. -----Original Message----- From: Sigrid Carrera [mailto:sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 00:08 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help Hi Brian, *, On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:10:14 +0100 Brian Barker <b.m.bar...@btinternet.com> wrote: > At 12:01 15/09/2011 -0700, Tom Davies wrote: > >The list is quite sophisticated enough to avoid sending you messages > >that you write. > > Does anyone believe this? Fortunately it's rubbish, isn't it? that is a "feature" of gmail and similar web services. (I know for sure for gmail, but I think yahoo does this too.) Your email provider "decides" that you don't need to see your original message, since you wrote it yourself. So you only have the sent message in your sent-folder to tell you, what you asked the list. It has nothing to do with "how sophisticated" the list software is. Sigrid -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted