Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-06 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-10-05 03:30, Thorsten Behrens a écrit : Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: From: Marc Paré [mailto:m...@marcpare.com] Thanks to all the people who answered this. It seems whether LibreOffice is partially or completely compliant to OASIS version 1.2 is more complicated to establish for non-dev

Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-05 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: From: Marc Paré [mailto:m...@marcpare.com] Thanks to all the people who answered this. It seems whether LibreOffice is partially or completely compliant to OASIS version 1.2 is more complicated to establish for non-dev people. LibO is, like OOo, an extended

Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-05 Thread Pedro
Thank you for the link, Thorsten (I can't CC you because Nabble doesn't allow that) Thorsten Behrens wrote: LibO is, like OOo, an extended conformance producer/consumer of ODF1.2, in its default setup. Choosing ODF format version 1.2 in Tools-Options-Load/Save-General makes it produce

Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-05 Thread Tom
Hi :) As Thorsten said, almost any case of non-conformance is considered a bug. There are some bug-reports posted about specific examples of non-conformance which get posted when people find examples of non-conformance and feel up to the challenge of posting a bug-report about it. Many

Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-05 Thread Pedro
Tom wrote: Many programs don't fully comply with their own specs. The fact that many programs do that makes it correct? Tom wrote: OpenSource ones tend to try to fix that through bug-reports and such-like. We often grumble when we find an example of a proprietary program, such as

Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-05 Thread Pedro
Hi Tom Tom wrote: We are making a big fuss about very trivial differences. How do you know they are trivial? In the document I referred previously in this topic, after conversion to ODF, which took me a few hours, opening in Abiword 2.9.1 or Textmaker 2012 (Beta) is useless. The only

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-04 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
orcmid comment=below / -Original Message- From: Marc Paré [mailto:m...@marcpare.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 03:35 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: disc...@documentfoundation.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved [ ... ] Thanks to all the

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Marc asks: How conformant is LibreOffice as a producer and consumer of the OASIS ODF 1.2 Standard? I don't know how to assess that. I assume it is reasonably conformant and that most documents that happen to be produced are satisfactory to consumers that accept ODF 1.0/1.1 also. I don't know if

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-02 Thread Tom Davies
: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: disc...@documentfoundation.org Date: Monday, 3 October, 2011, 1:52 Marc asks: How conformant is LibreOffice as a producer and consumer of the OASIS ODF 1.2 Standard? I don't know how to assess that.  I assume

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) All releases of LibreOffice have used the 1.2 (Extended) by default.  I think OpenOffice was using it for quite a long time before that too.  I think the only program that still uses the older 1.1 or 1.0 formats is MS Office 2010.  I think Google-docs, KOffice, Calligra, AbiWord Gnumeric

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-01 Thread Dag Wieers
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011, Tom Davies wrote: All releases of LibreOffice have used the 1.2 (Extended) by default.  I think OpenOffice was using it for quite a long time before that too.  I think the only program that still uses the older 1.1 or 1.0 formats is MS Office 2010.  I think Google-docs,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-01 Thread Cor Nouws
Pedro wrote (01-10-11 11:39) Am I correct to assume that ODF 1.2 is backward compatible? I.e. an old application will still be able to open a ODF 1.2 document? Yes. Of course, some content (from the new standard) may be wrong. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- For unsubscribe

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 04:56 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved Hi :) All releases of LibreOffice have used the 1.2 (Extended) by default. I think OpenOffice was using

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Whether a down-level software version will even accept an ODF 1.2 document as if it is a down-level document and do the best it can is not something the ODF specifications address. It depends on the down-level product. It probably works with OpenOffice.org versions, but maybe not with other

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Q: Am I correct to assume that ODF 1.2 is backward compatible? I.e. an old application will still be able to open a ODF 1.2 document? A: It depends. There are provisions in ODF 1.2 that, if exercised in an ODF 1.2, make it unlikely that an ODF 1.1 consumer could handle it properly. Also, the

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved On Sat, 1 Oct 2011, Tom Davies wrote: All releases of LibreOffice have used the 1.2 (Extended) by default. I think OpenOffice was using it for quite a long time before that too. I think the only program that still uses

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
A while back, Microsoft offered a warranty with regard to ODF 1.2 support. I believe it is contingent on ISO standardization occurring. There is also an announcement that Microsoft would provide information on its ODF 1.2 support on the occasion of a Plugfest in Brussels this coming April.

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Pedro. I agree that it would be more useful to have the choice of ODF version be available in the Save As ... dialog. There could still be a default, of course, and there are nice ways to reflect that in the Save As ... also. That is not about the ODF specification of course. It sounds like a

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:36 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved A while back, Microsoft offered a warranty with regard to ODF 1.2 support. I believe it is contingent on ISO standardization occurring