ific team and asking for their jobs (or whatever) list.
Regards from
Tom :)
>
> From: Carl Paulsen
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>Sent: Monday, 19 November 2012, 13:34
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg
2012/11/21 Jay Lozier
> On 11/21/2012 09:04 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
>
>> On 21.11.2012 12:11, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
>>
>>> On 21/11/2012 at 03:13, rost52 wrote:
>>>
>>> Both aspects together is a chance for LibO and AOO. I am looking
forward to
the announcement that both teams t
rosław Zalewski
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012, 10:11
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
>
>On 21/11/2012 at 03:13, rost52 wrote:
>
>> Both aspects together is a chance for LibO and AOO.
On 11/21/2012 09:04 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
On 21.11.2012 12:11, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
On 21/11/2012 at 03:13, rost52 wrote:
Both aspects together is a chance for LibO and AOO. I am looking
forward to
the announcement that both teams tie up, slow down the development
of new
features a
On 21.11.2012 12:11, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
On 21/11/2012 at 03:13, rost52 wrote:
Both aspects together is a chance for LibO and AOO. I am looking forward to
the announcement that both teams tie up, slow down the development of new
features and substantially reduce the bugs.
This is very u
On 21/11/2012 at 03:13, rost52 wrote:
> Both aspects together is a chance for LibO and AOO. I am looking forward to
> the announcement that both teams tie up, slow down the development of new
> features and substantially reduce the bugs.
This is very unlikely.
There are many political differen
On 2012-11-21 01:04, Jay Lozier wrote:
Truthfully the market has matured enough for office suites that improvements are incremental not
fundamentalThe market growth for MS is much slower because for many there is
no major reason to upgrade for many unless forced to by lack o
On 11/20/2012 01:33 PM, Walther Koehler wrote:
Hi,
in my office as a medical pracitioner, I probably had the same situation but
sized down as Freiburg is having while switching to OO/LO.
Yes, I had a lot of work invested into forms, autotexts, dictionary and many
makros ("Fachanwendungen") to b
the machine you
can set Grub to hide itself and boot straight into Windows.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Tom Davies
To: Don C. Myers ; "users@global.libreoffice.org"
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 18:19
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice
Hi,
in my office as a medical pracitioner, I probably had the same situation but
sized down as Freiburg is having while switching to OO/LO.
Yes, I had a lot of work invested into forms, autotexts, dictionary and many
makros ("Fachanwendungen") to be used with Word2000 and Access2.0+Works.
Yes,
*From:* Jay Lozier
*To:* users@global.libreoffice.org
*Sent:* Monday, 19 November 2012, 21:09
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in
Freiburg ?
On 11/19/2012 02:24 PM, VA wrote:
> At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my
it's for a colleague or friend that's when i do loads to make
>it more usable.
>Regards from
>Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>____
>> From: Don C. Myers
>>To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2
.
Regards from
Tom :)
>
> From: Don C. Myers
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 17:02
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
>
>
>On 11/20/2012 06:15 AM, James Knott wrote:
>> Don
wing it or even grown in
popularity once it becomes "naughty".
Regards from
Tom :)
>
> From: Jay Lozier
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>Sent: Monday, 19 November 2012, 21:09
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to b
On 19/11/2012 at 14:34, Carl Paulsen wrote:
> So is there a simple list of SPECIFIC ways users can contribute
> (templates is a good example) that is easily found?
Not sure if this is specific enough, but take a look here:
http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2012/11/16/sgauti-digest/
Ther
l or not, as the
>> customer, I always control where I spend my money. MS cannot dominate my
>> computer without my permission or the software market without our collective
>> permission.
>>
>> Virgil
>>
>> -Original Message- From: James Knott
&
lsen
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 1:50
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
>
>Here, here. But what about gov'ts mandating simply that the format
>structure be open (without mandating a specific one be us
.
Regards from
Tom :)
>
> From: e-letter
>To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org; users
>Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 10:38
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
>
>On 19/11/2012, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
&g
gt;To: LibreOffice
>Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 11:15
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
>
>Don Myers wrote:
>> I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it comes
>> on a computer. Microsoft charges computer
ixed. It's
not blamed on the user for not using the right product.
Amazing that people keep falling for MS.
Regards from
Tom :)
>
> From: Carl Paulsen
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 1:51
>Subject:
On 11/20/2012 06:15 AM, James Knott wrote:
Don Myers wrote:
I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when
it comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less
than what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was
something like $50 per compute
On 11/20/2012 09:12 AM, P.J. Koeleman. wrote:
VA,
In reply to your E-mail from 20-11-2012, 14:05 with subject "[libreoffice-users] Re:
OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?".
V> MS must use several different methods of pushing its Office. My Sony laptop
V> came with Win7 and a "Starter" versio
On 11/19/2012 07:04 PM, James Knott wrote:
VA wrote:
Nobody is forced to purchase MS products.
Try and buy a computer without Windows. While there are some
available, they're rare. Also, read up on the MS anti trust cases to
see how they forced market share with illegal and near illegal
m
VA,
In reply to your E-mail from 20-11-2012, 14:05 with subject
"[libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?".
V> MS must use several different methods of pushing its Office. My Sony laptop
V> came with Win7 and a "Starter" version of Office. I have a stripped down
V> version o
om: James Knott
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:15 AM
To: LibreOffice
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Don Myers wrote:
I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it
comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than
Carl Paulsen wrote:
Here, here. But what about gov'ts mandating simply that the format
structure be open (without mandating a specific one be used)? That's
not political IMHO.
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20121119172623282
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Don Myers wrote:
I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it
comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than
what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was
something like $50 per computer that the computer companies pay
Microsoft
On 19/11/2012, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> The OOXML specifications are at least as complete and rigorous as the ODF
> ones.
>
> Every indication is that the ODF 1.2 support in Office 2013 is quite good.
> Of particular importance to many users is that OpenFormula is now supported,
> and this will
producers has to
choose between windows and linux.
From: James Knott
To: LibreOffice
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
VA wrote:
> Nobody is forced to purchase MS produ
al or not, as the
customer, I always control where I spend my money. MS cannot dominate
my computer without my permission or the software market without our
collective permission.
Virgil
-Original Message- From: James Knott
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:04 PM
To: LibreOffice
Subject:
Wow! I didn't mean to cause such a firestorm of discussionbut isn't it
good?? and isn't this why there IS open source software?? So that we can
create, and eventually have our creations exist and be read by the next
generation?? File formats are the new paper. It's important that no one
company
Without trying to defend MS, it can only dominate markets that
customers allow it to dominate. Nobody is forced to purchase MS
products. They do so because, for whatever reason, they perceive that
MS serves their needs. One of those needs is file compatibility with
others, which by its nature
Here, here. But what about gov'ts mandating simply that the format
structure be open (without mandating a specific one be used)? That's not
political IMHO.
Carl
On 11/19/12 3:15 PM, M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 VA
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government
d
From: James Knott
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:04 PM
To: LibreOffice
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in
Freiburg ?
VA wrote:
Nobody is forced to purchase MS products.
Try and buy a computer without Windows. While there are some available,
they're
omputer without my permission or the software market without our collective
permission.
Virgil
-Original Message-
From: James Knott
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:04 PM
To: LibreOffice
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
VA wrote:
Nobody is fo
VA wrote:
Nobody is forced to purchase MS products.
Try and buy a computer without Windows. While there are some available,
they're rare. Also, read up on the MS anti trust cases to see how they
forced market share with illegal and near illegal methods, including
extortion.
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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
I think my point, apparently not clear, was that governments themselves
would say, "We will only *use* software that meets these criteria." I don't
support governments mandating
I think my point, apparently not clear, was that governments themselves
would say, "We will only *use* software that meets these criteria." I don't
support governments mandating file types, or intervening in my private
business. However, they are by far the "biggest elephant in the room," and
if, f
On 19/11/2012 at 15:52, "VA" wrote:
> I think there's a difference between "standards" as declared by computer
> developers and societies and "standards" determined by the marketplace.
I believe that lawyers call them "de facto standard" and... "we would really
like this to be standard, so do
to lower costs for consumers.
-Original Message- From: Jay Lozier
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:16 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in
Freiburg ?
On 11/19/2012 01:13 PM, Steven Bradley wrote:
I remember this discussion
n replace "IBM" in that phrase with
"Microsoft."
Virgil
-Original Message-
From: M Henri Day
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:15 PM
To: VA
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
2012/11/19 VA
On 11/19/2012 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2012-11-19 12:43 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
You can get the OOXML standard from
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-376.htm
Are you actually suggesting that this is either complete or accurate?
You can get the binary file
M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 VA
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government
dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents.
Virgil
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is a multi-national
corporation, responsible t
Well said Henri!
On 11/19/2012 03:15 PM, M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 VA
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government
dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents.
Virgil
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is a multi-
Steven Bradley wrote:
I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto
standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any
agency, company government, or individual is backward compatibility. I have
many documents that are difficult for me to retrieve, a
2012/11/19 VA
> At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government
> dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents.
>
> Virgil
>
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is a multi-national
corporation, responsible to no one save a few major
-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 11/19/2012 01:13 PM, Steven Bradley wrote:
I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto
standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any
agency, company government, or individual is backward
On 11/19/2012 01:13 PM, Steven Bradley wrote:
I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto
standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any
agency, company government, or individual is backward compatibility. I have
many documents that are difficult
Thanks, all. My resources are such that it'd be hard for me to
contribute much, but it's helpful to know there are small ways I could
pitch in. I will see if I can make room to contribute in some way. And
the specific suggestions are indeed helpful.
Carl
On 11/19/12 11:31 AM, Joel Madero
is
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Don C. Myers [mailto:donmy...@myersfarm.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 08:57
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> When the
19, 2012 09:59
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 2012-11-19 12:43 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
> You can get the OOXML standard from
> http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-376.htm
Are you ac
On 19/11/12 17:59, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
I've also heard that European versions of Microsoft Office can be set to have
ODF as the default format.
That's correct - on a fresh install of Office 2010 it asks whether you
want ODF or OOXML as the default document type.
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true for a few years. All of the specifications are freely
downloadable.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Don C. Myers [mailto:donmy...@myersfarm.com]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 08:57
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dump
On 2012-11-19 12:43 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
You can get the OOXML standard from
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-376.htm
Are you actually suggesting that this is either complete or accurate?
You can get the binary file format description from
http://www.micros
Hi Everyone,
Don C. Myers schrieb:
Hi Everyone,
When the Microsoft formats were approved as an ISO standard, wasn't that
supposed to make the information on their formats available to everyone
else?
You can get the OOXML standard from
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/
Hi Everyone,
When the Microsoft formats were approved as an ISO standard, wasn't that
supposed to make the information on their formats available to everyone
else? From what I've read through the years, they have failed to
implement their own ISO standards. Shouldn't there be some way to
enfo
On 11/19/2012 09:52 AM, VA wrote:
Jay wrote:
"ODF formats are the international standard so technically MS is not
being standards compliant. This may be very useful if someone where to
sue MS for monopolistic practices."
I think there's a difference between "standards" as declared by
computer
I was one of the one who sent a direct email to you (should have kept it on
list, my apologies) about contributing. QA is actively trying to grow and
requires very little (if any) programming skills. If you'd like to help out
with QA (triaging mostly right now), let us know and we'll help you get
s
What a discussion has been started. Great!
As for doing revers engineering on binary files, I know how difficult it is. However, it is not
impossible. Should the great devs of AOO and LibO be enabled to join forces, there is a tremendous
know-how and manpower available. I just hope that people
Jay wrote:
"ODF formats are the international standard so technically MS is not
being standards compliant. This may be very useful if someone where to
sue MS for monopolistic practices."
I think there's a difference between "standards" as declared by computer
developers and societies and "stand
y, November 19, 2012 7:32 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in
Freiburg ?
On 2012-11-19 6:54 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 Tanstaafl
I don't see this happening any more. Microsoft is on a roll now, coming
out with new
I contribute to LibreOffice by working on the North American Community
DVD Project in creating English distribution DVDs. Also I have created
the largest [so I have been told] spell checking dictionaries for
American English, British English, and Canadian English. Also, I try to
help people
Thanks, Regina. I know there are other ways to contribute, but I don't
necessarily know what they are. Templates is one way, but the real
issue I see is going from MSO to LO/OO. We can't control the other end.
So is there a simple list of SPECIFIC ways users can contribute
(templates is a g
Hi,
Carl Paulsen schrieb:
In practical use, I would NOT say LO (or OOo) has a "high" file
compatibility with MS Office. Virtually every file I receive from MS
Office users has some kind of problem (bullet lists almost NEVER convert
correctly, at least from MSO to LO). I'm only an occasional Off
Tanstaafl wrote:
"There is one more hing that could turn this around - if the EU (or some
other major governmental entity) were to engage in and win an antitrust
lawsuit against Microsoft and force them to *fully* document their file
formats, as happened with their Windows Server SMB protocols (w
t's absolutely crazy.
Virgil
-Original Message-
From: Tanstaafl
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:32 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 2012-11-19 6:54 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 Tanstaafl
I don
2012/11/19 Tanstaafl
> On 2012-11-19 6:54 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
>
>> 2012/11/19 Tanstaafl
>
>
> An excellent exposition of the methods used by Microsoft to «protect» its
>> «intellectual property» - more accurately described as using its
>> quasi-monopoly to exclude others from the market..
On 2012-11-19 6:54 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 Tanstaafl
I don't see this happening any more. Microsoft is on a roll now, coming
out with new versions *far* more often than they used to (which means they
can 'improve' the file formats much more often). My understanding is they
are actua
2012/11/19 Tanstaafl
> On 2012-11-19 1:40 AM, rost52 wrote:
>
>> This can be achieved with many bugs less and full compatibility. MSO
>> doesn' come up with a new format every week, thus our devs have a very
>> good chance to adjust LibO to full compatibility.
>>
>
> Sounds easy, doesn't it? Unt
On 2012-11-19 1:40 AM, rost52 wrote:
This can be achieved with many bugs less and full compatibility. MSO
doesn' come up with a new format every week, thus our devs have a very
good chance to adjust LibO to full compatibility.
Sounds easy, doesn't it? Until you realize that the documentation o
2012/11/19 rost52
> Like Carl. I unfortunately cannot contribute to development work.
>
> I would just like to come back to productivity and my own experience:
> LibO has features which are as good or better than MSO in respect to
> productivity. What reduces my productivity are bugs (first it ta
Like Carl. I unfortunately cannot contribute to development work.
I would just like to come back to productivity and my own experience:
LibO has features which are as good or better than MSO in respect to productivity. What reduces my
productivity are bugs (first it takes time to find out is a b
In practical use, I would NOT say LO (or OOo) has a "high" file
compatibility with MS Office. Virtually every file I receive from MS
Office users has some kind of problem (bullet lists almost NEVER convert
correctly, at least from MSO to LO). I'm only an occasional Office
suite user so I put
I only can use Virgil's word "I hate to say it" but Virgil is right. File compatibility is very
important in our daily business world where we need to exchange editable files within our company
and also with external partners.
Whenever I need to exchange files with MSO formats, I additionally a
I hate to say it, but I think in business MS compatibility is THE paramount
concern. When I was working for a large business, I used LibO only for
documents I knew I didn't have to share with others. For anything that had
to be used by others, I used MS Office.
I realize that LibO is highly co
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