Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Outlining

[James Wilde]

Andreas Säger 
19 Oct 2015 19:20via Postbox 


Am 19.10.2015 um 19:06 schrieb James Wilde:

Using v.5.0.0.5 on OSX 10.9

I think this functionality, which everyone says is to be found, is not
too well documented.

James



Hands-on tutorial by example document about templates, styles, outlines,
indices etc.


http://openoffice-uni.org/



Thanks, Andreas.  I took a quick look and it could be a help, but I 
discovered that Scrivener, where I now do my writing, has a good 
outliner.  I'm just not familiar with its features.


James

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Shortcut changes

[tonybsa]

> On 18/10/2015, at 08:17, James E. Lang  wrote:
> 
> PLEASE, developers, think about the impact your change will have on existing 
> users.  The longer a shortcut has existed the more attention should be given 
> should be given to the impact of changing it with shortcuts that have existed 
> for more than one full major release being ALMOST cast in granite. 

This particular change from F4 to Ctrl-Shift_F4 for data source in Calc but not 
in Writer is a massive problem. The F4 shortcut has been around for YEARS.

I now have to re-write my tutorials and workshop examples.
I now have to go back to the hundreds of users that have been using F4 for 
YEARS and try to explain why there is a difference between Calc & Writer.

A large number of the people (I have trained ) that use LibreOffice use F4 for 
mail merge in Writer and Pivot Tables in Calc. 
Because the usual source is a MySQL database where data is being updated on a 
regular basis, the mail merge and pivot tables need updating regularly.

Why was this change made? 
As far as I can see (from the bugzilla history) it was requested in 2013 
because 1 or 2 people, that are changing from Lotus 123 to Calc could not make 
the change from F4 to Shift-F4 for the "Absolute cell reference shortcut".

I don't remember any of "my" users having ever found it necessary to change the 
cell reference from absolute to relative once they have formatted a cell.

So I agree with James Lang & Alexander Thurgood when they decry this change.
Who made the change 2 years after it was requested, without discussing it with 
the people on this list?

Developers, please do NOT make changes to existing menu options and shortcuts 
without FULLY consulting the "professional" users of LibreOffice. 
Thank you.

Tony Bray


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Too many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[Brian Barker]

At 16:51 19/10/2015 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:

On 10/18/2015 6:44 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 15:27 17/10/2015 -0700, James E. Lang wrote:
POP3 is a protocol that downloads the messages to you without 
leaving a copy on the server.



What gives you this mistaken impression?


It isn't mistaken, it is fact.


Sorry, but it's not a fact.

Yes, the POP3 protocol was later amended to provide for optional 
capabilities like leaving messages on the server, ...


So you are saying it's not a fact but it's nevertheless true? There 
must be a name for style of argument where you claim something to be 
false and promptly explain that it is true! It's certainly not logic. 
(And there's no "later" involved: the sole protocol mentioned was POP3.)


POP3 has RETR to retrieve a message and *separately and optionally* 
DELE to delete the server copy. Even the original POP had the 
alternatives RETR to read messages and RDEL to read them and delete 
them - so there is no "later" about it.



... and most clients have such options, ...


If you see above, you will see that the claim was about the protocol, 
not clients that may use it. That claim - that Post Office Protocol 
cannot leave copies on servers - was the only (untrue) claim I 
described as mistaken.



... but this is error-prone, ...


Again, the point was not about advisability of using POP.

In the early days of use of the POP protocol, server space would have 
been at a premium and no doubt common and necessary practice was for 
clients to be configured to delete server copies of messages when 
they were downloaded. But that doesn't mean that "POP3 ... downloads 
... without leaving a copy on the server."


POP: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc918
POP3: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1939

Brian Barker  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Writer - Line Spacing - not appearing as single space

[Brian Barker]

At 12:25 15/10/2015 -0700, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Believe you'll find the issue here:

tdf#94464 
   -- 
"Text Body default line spacing too big"  as "Text Body" style is 
using 120% proportional line spacing with .10"/.25cm spacing below.


Aha! I hadn't recognised this. Thanks and apologies for the confusion.

Brian Barker 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Writer - Line Spacing - not appearing as single space

[Brian Barker]

At 08:02 16/10/2015 +1300, Steve Edmonds wrote:

On 2015-10-16 06:56, Brian Barker wrote:

At 12:52 15/10/2015 -0400, Charles Meyer wrote:

At 18:28 14/10/2015 -0400, Charles Meyer wrote:
In Libre Writer 4.3.5.2, I wanted to change the plain text to 
single spacing for all lines of text in all paragraphs. I 
highlighted all the lines and then I followed both of these 
suggestions but it still appears double-spaced although it says 
it's single spaced but isn't
1. Select the paragraph and then go to Format, Paragraph, Indents 
& Spacing tab, Line Spacing.

2. Right click to open the context menu > Line Spacing.

How do I truly secure single spacing?


Tom,
That was it!
Thank you!!
For all those interested, when I changed the Style Setting Box 
from Text Body to Default Style, then it changed the spacing to single spacing.


I'm interested, but puzzled. Surely that could not have been the 
solution if the problem was as described?


o Text Body paragraph style has Single spacing by default - though 
you (or someone else) could well have changed this to Double: no problem.


o But in any case, the two techniques you described as not working 
both apply local formatting, and applying local single spacing to 
paragraphs with double spacing in their paragraph style *will* 
overrule the style and change the spacing. So the techniques that 
you say failed you would have worked (even though not an ideal solution).


I'm delighted that you are happy, of course - but it would be nice 
to know what was *really* happening.


My Text Body style as default has spacing below the paragraph. The 
Default style does not.


Interesting - but that would still affect the appearance only if the 
original questioner's "lines of text in all paragraphs" were actually 
separate paragraphs (as I suggested), wouldn't it?


Brian Barker 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Too many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[Tanstaafl]

On 10/18/2015 6:44 PM, Brian Barker  wrote:
> At 15:27 17/10/2015 -0700, James E. Lang wrote:
>> POP3 is a protocol that downloads the messages to you without 
>> leaving a copy on the server.

> What gives you this mistaken impression?

It isn't mistaken, it is fact.

Yes, the POP3 protocol was later amended to provide for optional
capabilities like leaving messages on the server, and most clients have
such options, but this is error-prone, and some servers do not honor
what you tell them (ie, gmail)...

I have many times seen servers/clients 'forget' what messages they have
already downloaded, and someone will start downloading the last 5 years
of their emails all over again...

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Outlining

[Andreas Säger]

Am 19.10.2015 um 19:06 schrieb James Wilde:
> Using v.5.0.0.5 on OSX 10.9
> 
> I think this functionality, which everyone says is to be found, is not
> too well documented.
> 
> James
> 

Hands-on tutorial by example document about templates, styles, outlines,
indices etc.

> http://openoffice-uni.org/




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[libreoffice-users] Outlining

[James Wilde]

Using v.5.0.0.5 on OSX 10.9

Somehow I'm just not getting this about outlines.  People talk about 
using the navigator but how?  The navigator just sits there with a list 
of things beginning with Headings, Tables, etc.  Where is the button you 
click on to indent the currently marked item - or alternatively outdent 
it, of course.


Basically what I am looking for is something where each bit of text I 
type (until the next carriage return) is a body of text which I can drag 
around as I need.  I don't want to have to mark the text and then do 
Cmd+x and put it down with Cmd+v or drag it after marking it.


I don't need differential numbering depending on the degree of 
indentation, 1, A, i, a and so on.  Simple bullets will do fine.  Then I 
can grab a bullet and move the whole text bit to another place.


I think this functionality, which everyone says is to be found, is not 
too well documented.


James

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Spam? Re: Microsoft outlook support number 1-844-815-2122

[Andreas Säger]

Am 19.10.2015 um 18:17 schrieb James E. Lang:
> 
> 

Of course it is spam. The bots notice that we discuss predominantly
about mail.


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Spam? Re: [libreoffice-users] Microsoft outlook support number 1-844-815-2122

[James E. Lang]

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Shortcut change to display data source browser in Calc

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 17/10/2015 19:07, Alexander Thurgood a écrit :


> 
> It seems the design team have taken it upon themselves to change the
> shortcut for displaying the data source browser in Calc, you can read up
> on the issue here :
> 
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59418
> 

> 
> Needless to say, this change makes Writer and Calc have two different
> shortcuts.
> 
> Calc (quote from design irc) : "it has been changed already, it is now
> CTRL+SHIFT+F4 in calc"
> 

As Ctrl-Shift-F4 is pre-assigned to switching between open windows in a
desktop workspace on OSX, there is now (in master) no easy way to
display the data source browser.


Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Empty spaces in master documents...

[Wiebe van der Worp]

Hi everyone

For some manuals I use master documents with satellites in Writer.

After opening such a file it always contains empty spaces and even empty 
pages. It took a while to figure out how to get rid of these layout errors.


What I do:
 * Open document
 * Update index
 * Update selection for every satellite (using navigator)
 * Update index again
 * Export to PDF for printing and distribution

To get an idea I've temporary placed the following screen dumps on 
http://media.vanderworp.org/.dot/.lo/:


1_lo_after_open.png
2_lo_after_update_index.png
3_lo_after_update_selection.png

This solution is highly complex and unfriendly (some of these masters 
contain a lot satellites), I consider not properly calculating the 
layout a bug.


The documents themselves have strict style rules and only contain 
bitmaps and svg's.


I can live with this solution but... Are there better solutions?

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[Andreas Säger]

Am 16.10.2015 um 18:25 schrieb anne-ology:
>very interesting indeed  ;-(
> 
> 
> 
> From: Andreas Säger 
> Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:47 PM
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
> How to avoid being swamped ...
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> 
> 
> Am 15.10.2015 um 23:38 schrieb libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com:
>>
>> Most emails appear correctly threaded to me, using SeaMonkey (based on
>> Thunderbird). Some messages break threading, because those sending them
>> use a mail client which doesn't include the relevant headers.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> All replies by anne-ology start a new thread (gmane on Thunderbird).
> 

This topic looks like this in any mail client utilizing the In-Reply-To
header for threading. I think it would look the same if I would store
the mails in my inbox and watch it with some other mail client.

> http://www.mediafire.com/view/fym07dlm935a185/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.uer.tooo_many_messages.png

More than 10% of this mailing list is about the list itself. Apart from
this topic, notice the recent topic "Please do not send me a reply. My
question was solved already. I ask you sincerely." End users are not
interested in being mebers of a software fan club.

Contrary to the users of the 90ies, today's computer users do not
understand message boards nor mailing list just like they do not
understand office suites or anything that wants to be configured.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Too many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[Andreas Säger]

Am 19.10.2015 um 13:13 schrieb James Knott:
> On 10/18/2015 11:15 PM, jorge wrote:
>>  As I remember there is an option for example in Evolution mail program
>> to let or not the original mail in the server. Is an option of the user.
>> This option we check when start a new account.
> 
> Other email apps, such as Thunderbird and Seamonkey, also allow you to
> leave email on a POP server for a specified period of time.
> 
> 

This is a server option. When you check this option in your mail client,
it will tell the POP server to keep delivered mails.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Too many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[James Knott]

On 10/18/2015 11:15 PM, jorge wrote:
>   As I remember there is an option for example in Evolution mail program
> to let or not the original mail in the server. Is an option of the user.
> This option we check when start a new account.

Other email apps, such as Thunderbird and Seamonkey, also allow you to
leave email on a POP server for a specified period of time.


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