Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

2016-11-04 Thread Dave Stevens 

Quoting Virgil Arrington :


As I said before, I don't use Mint


I do and here's what worked for me. Open a browser window to libreoffice.org
then click on "download" LO guessed debian correctly and then the  
download button completed the download selection process. After the  
download is complete use the file browser to navigate to the  
downloaded file and click on it. A message asks for your root password  
and after it is given, steps through the installation process. Took me  
about 5 minutes on a nice fast line.


Dave

 and claim no Mint or Linux expertise.

I'm just an average Ubuntu user learning my way through. And, even then,
my Ubuntu relationship is love/hate. When it works I love it; when it


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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

2016-11-04 Thread Ken Springer 

On 11/4/16 7:37 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

As I said before, I don't use Mint and claim no Mint or Linux expertise.
I'm just an average Ubuntu user learning my way through. And, even then,
my Ubuntu relationship is love/hate. When it works I love it; when it
doesn't I wipe it off my computer and go back to Windows. After getting
tired of how slow Windows is, I then reinstall Ubuntu and try again.


LOL!!!  I meet a lot of users who don't like where Windows is going, 
including me.  Sadly, Apple has picked up the idea of forcing an upgrade 
to the OS whether you like it or not.  Fortunately for me, my hardware 
just became too old to support Sierra.



If it were me, I would try Method 1. Mint is based on Ubuntu and I
believe it uses the same PPAs. Someone on this list confirmed that in
response to my earlier message, but I sadly deleted the email before
remembering his name. From what I understand, Method 1 and Method 2 do
exactly the same thing. Method 1 is more "manual" and Method 2 uses a
GUI, but either way, you're adding a repository and updating the system.
Once you get comfortable with using a terminal, Method 1 is certainly
easier and faster.


Going with Method 1 was my next plan, depending upon your thoughts.

I don't mind the Terminal, I just don't know any of the commands to 
speak of.



But to cover my butt, I'll advise you to check with someone who actually
uses Mint, perhaps the earlier poster here or someone on the Mint forum.


I'm not using Mint for anything at all other than trying to find the 
time to learn it.  I think that eventually that's the way I'll go when 
upgrading.


Ken




Good luck.

Virgil


On 11/03/2016 10:38 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 10/31/16 6:45 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

Here's how I did it with Ubuntu 14.04LTS. I imagine it might work
with Mint, which is based on Ubuntu.


Method 1

I opened a command line terminal (With Ubuntu, it's Ctrl-Alt-t).

I typed in the following commands, hitting  after each line.

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-5-1

sudo apt-get update

After typing in the first line, you'll be prompted for your user
password. The first line adds the repository for LO 5.1.x. The second
line automatically updates your system to use it.


Method 2

You can do the same thing through Synaptic Package Manager. Open
Synaptic and click on Settings and then Repositories. In the
Repositories dialog, click on Other Software, then click Add. Then
type in ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-5-1 and click Add Source. You
will be prompted to reload your software sources. Once you do that,
you can click Mark All Upgrades. Synaptic will mark the LO packages
that are to be updated. Click Apply and you'll be upgraded.

Again, I've used both methods with Ubuntu. That said, I am not by any
means an experienced Linux user. I tend to use Synaptic for all my
software installation needs. I've never downloaded and installed a
*.deb file. Instructions for these methods are found at:

https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-5-1.

I don't know enough about Mint to know if it will work properly, but
since Mint is based on Ubuntu, I tend to believe it will.

Virgil


Hi, Virgil,

Method 2 does not work for me.  Theory, the Synaptic Package Manager
in 17.3 is a bit different than what you have seen.  The exact steps
you mentioned can't be done, and I made my "best guess" as to the
correct selections I see in 17.3 here.  What I've ended up with is a
cursor that indicates things are locked up.  On my Mac, it would be
the "spinning beach ball of death", in Windows the endless rotating
hourglass cursor.  LOL

I can hop over to the Linux Mint forums about this if that is your
suggestion.  Or I can go ahead and try Method 1.

For others following this thread, I have a number of messages flagged
to reply to, but I want to work with Method 2 and see if I can get it
to work before replying to the flagged messages.









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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

2016-11-04 Thread Virgil Arrington 
As I said before, I don't use Mint and claim no Mint or Linux expertise. 
I'm just an average Ubuntu user learning my way through. And, even then, 
my Ubuntu relationship is love/hate. When it works I love it; when it 
doesn't I wipe it off my computer and go back to Windows. After getting 
tired of how slow Windows is, I then reinstall Ubuntu and try again.

If it were me, I would try Method 1. Mint is based on Ubuntu and I 
believe it uses the same PPAs. Someone on this list confirmed that in 
response to my earlier message, but I sadly deleted the email before 
remembering his name. From what I understand, Method 1 and Method 2 do 
exactly the same thing. Method 1 is more "manual" and Method 2 uses a 
GUI, but either way, you're adding a repository and updating the system. 
Once you get comfortable with using a terminal, Method 1 is certainly 
easier and faster.

But to cover my butt, I'll advise you to check with someone who actually 
uses Mint, perhaps the earlier poster here or someone on the Mint forum.

Good luck.

Virgil


On 11/03/2016 10:38 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
> On 10/31/16 6:45 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>> Here's how I did it with Ubuntu 14.04LTS. I imagine it might work 
>> with Mint, which is based on Ubuntu.
>>
>>
>> Method 1
>>
>> I opened a command line terminal (With Ubuntu, it's Ctrl-Alt-t).
>>
>> I typed in the following commands, hitting  after each line.
>>
>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-5-1
>>
>> sudo apt-get update
>>
>> After typing in the first line, you'll be prompted for your user 
>> password. The first line adds the repository for LO 5.1.x. The second 
>> line automatically updates your system to use it.
>>
>>
>> Method 2
>>
>> You can do the same thing through Synaptic Package Manager. Open 
>> Synaptic and click on Settings and then Repositories. In the 
>> Repositories dialog, click on Other Software, then click Add. Then 
>> type in ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-5-1 and click Add Source. You 
>> will be prompted to reload your software sources. Once you do that, 
>> you can click Mark All Upgrades. Synaptic will mark the LO packages 
>> that are to be updated. Click Apply and you'll be upgraded.
>>
>> Again, I've used both methods with Ubuntu. That said, I am not by any 
>> means an experienced Linux user. I tend to use Synaptic for all my 
>> software installation needs. I've never downloaded and installed a 
>> *.deb file. Instructions for these methods are found at:
>>
>> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-5-1.
>>
>> I don't know enough about Mint to know if it will work properly, but 
>> since Mint is based on Ubuntu, I tend to believe it will.
>>
>> Virgil
>
> Hi, Virgil,
>
> Method 2 does not work for me.  Theory, the Synaptic Package Manager 
> in 17.3 is a bit different than what you have seen.  The exact steps 
> you mentioned can't be done, and I made my "best guess" as to the 
> correct selections I see in 17.3 here.  What I've ended up with is a 
> cursor that indicates things are locked up.  On my Mac, it would be 
> the "spinning beach ball of death", in Windows the endless rotating 
> hourglass cursor.  LOL
>
> I can hop over to the Linux Mint forums about this if that is your 
> suggestion.  Or I can go ahead and try Method 1.
>
> For others following this thread, I have a number of messages flagged 
> to reply to, but I want to work with Method 2 and see if I can get it 
> to work before replying to the flagged messages.
>
> 
>


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc a formula conundrum

2016-11-04 Thread IGraham 

Thank, a couple of things to experiment with, but thats going to have to
wait till tomorrow, i shall report results eventually




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc a formula conundrum

2016-11-04 Thread Paul D. Mirowsky 
For a tutorial video on 'index' and 'match' see "LibreOffice Calc - 
Index and Match": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zydk03ILXs



On 11/4/2016 2:48 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:


  The formula does work, however it is long and is laborious to add 
new key

words and I’m hoping someone might know a better way of doing it.
New key words would be ‘HOLLAND & BARRETT’ and ‘PAYPAL’ and more as 
needed.

I’m wondering if its possible to have a list of key words ?

This may help with your key-word-list.


   MATCH

Returns the relative position of an item in an array that matches a 
specified value. The function returns the position of the value found 
in the lookup_array as a number.



 Syntax

|MATCH(SearchCriterion; LookupArray; Type)|

|Find more information at: 
https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Spreadsheet_Functions#VLOOKUP

|


I’ve attached an example – which will make my explanation more clear ? I
hope



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc a formula conundrum

2016-11-04 Thread Paul D. Mirowsky 



  The formula does work, however it is long and is laborious to add new key
words and I’m hoping someone might know a better way of doing it.
New key words would be ‘HOLLAND & BARRETT’ and ‘PAYPAL’ and more as needed.
I’m wondering if its possible to have a list of key words ?

This may help with your key-word-list.


   MATCH

Returns the relative position of an item in an array that matches a 
specified value. The function returns the position of the value found in 
the lookup_array as a number.



 Syntax

|MATCH(SearchCriterion; LookupArray; Type)|

|Find more information at: 
https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Spreadsheet_Functions#VLOOKUP

|


I’ve attached an example – which will make my explanation more clear ? I
hope



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc a formula conundrum

2016-11-04 Thread Pedro 
IGraham wrote
> I’m wondering if there is a simpler way of doing this

Use the function FIND to locate the word TO and then get all text after it
(100 characters should be enough...)

=MID(I5;FIND("TO";I5)+3;100)



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc a formula conundrum

2016-11-04 Thread IGraham 
BANK_STATEMENT.ods
  

the attachment didn't seem to upload so trying again 



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[libreoffice-users] Calc a formula conundrum

2016-11-04 Thread IGraham 
Hello
A Calc conundrum 
I’m wondering if there is a simpler way of doing this

Cell I5 contains a line of text from a bank statement the content will
include or not a key word, 
key words are Lidl, SE Gas, Water etc etc 
The formula below (in C5) looks at content in cell I5 if the cell contains
one of the key words then a corresponding name is produced in cell C5 ie.
Lidl = Lidl, Water = Water etc etc.

 The formula does work, however it is long and is laborious to add new key
words and I’m hoping someone might know a better way of doing it.
New key words would be ‘HOLLAND & BARRETT’ and ‘PAYPAL’ and more as needed.
I’m wondering if its possible to have a list of key words ?

I’ve attached an example – which will make my explanation more clear ? I
hope 

=IF(ISNUMBER(FIND("LIDL",I5)),"LIDL",IF(ISNUMBER(FIND("SE
GAS",I5)),"GAS",IF(ISNUMBER(FIND("WATER",I5)),"WATER
",IF(ISNUMBER(FIND("LEGAL & GENERAL",I5)),"LEGAL & GENERAL
",IF(ISNUMBER(FIND("SOUTHERN",I5)),"ELECTRIC",IF(ISNUMBER(FIND("TALKTALK",I5)),"TalkTalk",IF(ISNUMBER(FIND("MORRISON",I5)),"MORRISON",IF(ISNUMBER(FIND("ALDI",I5)),"ALDI",IF(ISNUMBER(FIND("HERON",I5)),"HERO
BANK_STATEMENT.ods
 
N","NO"



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Struggling with Hebrew in LO

2016-11-04 Thread CVAlkan 
Dotan:

I'm sorry I never stumbled across your essay before, but thanks for an
excellent explanation of how the Unicode® Standard Annex #9/Unicode
Bidirectional Algorithm works *in actual practice*!

So far as I can see, your description is still valid for even the recently
updated version of that algorithm
(http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/tr9-35.html). As published, the Unicode
Consortium's algorithm really doesn't explain what's happening in a way that
would help an average user - one who is just trying to "type" while mixing
multiple scripts with opposing directionality - it's more intended for
developers.

Unfortunately (in my view anyway), the algorithm itself makes some
assumptions that I find unjustifiable. A primary example is the
categorization of certain "shared characters" (spaces, punctuation and so
forth) as neutral, and accompanying that with the idea that they should
therefore take on the directionality of the paragraph unless and until
surrounded by characters that clearly define them as one directionality or
another.

This seems to be why, for instance, the cursor jumps around mysteriously
when entering a multi-word segment of Hebrew or Arabic scripts (regardless
of the actual language they are used for) each time a space is encountered
(you said "In LibreOffice you shouldn't have such an issue" - true enough,
but several remain). It would seem to me that - from a user-interface
perspective at least - such characters should keep the directionality of the
most recently typed character, leaving the cursor where it was before the
space (most common example, but occurs with other such characters) was
entered. If the next character is indeed one of the opposite directionality,
then make the correction accordingly.

As a matter of principle, assumptions in algorithms always seem risky and/or
dangerous. In this case, the whole idea that one needs to set the
directionality of characters or phrases ahead of time seems particularly
problematic. The obvious counter-argument to this is when beginning a
paragraph with a character that isn't in the direction the writer intended,
that would need to be treated as a special circumstance.

The ultimate objective would seem to be completely removing any barriers to
freely typing in whatever language or script desired without needing to know
a lot of special tricks; both Unicode (and UTF-8) and OpenType font
technology are big huge steps towards this goal - but we're not quite there
yet.

Again, thanks for pointing out your essay!




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a General Ledger in Base

2016-11-04 Thread Alexander Thurgood 
Le 03/11/2016 à 19:53, John R. Sowden a écrit :


Hi John,

> I have looked all over the world, using google, but I have not found any
> sample general ledger examples using LO Base.  The funny part is the
> sample field structures are designed for this use, and others are
> closely related (depreciation, etc.).
>

YEs, these sample table definitions are completely underused - one would
have thought that at some stage over the years someone would have come
up with a sample ODB file that uses them to good effect.

Be that as it may, the current use of the embedded version of hsqldb
supplied with LibreOffice by default is probably not the best way to a
"secure general ledger future". Most people on this list that have ever
used Base would advise you (myself included) to look elsewhere. There
are, for example, many web-based ledger systems that one could install
locally on one's computer, and use quite happily, and possibly more
flexibly and safely, than relying on an embedded hsqldb database in an
ODB file. Some even integrate the production and workflow management of
ODF documents for reports, invoices, etc. This is not a holy grail
recommendation of course, but I personally would never choose embedded
hsqldb in ODB as my solution for that kind of task. There are definitely
other (better) options out there. GnuCash and KMyMoney or Skrooge go
some, if not most of the way there, depending on your requirements, but
if you want cross-platform, then it'll probably be web-based.



> Can anyone send me in the right direction, or must I enroll in the
> school of hard knocks?  :)
> 


If you use the embedded hsqldb, you may find some of the "knocks" too
hard to stomach ;-)

Contrary to Paul's advice, I wouldn't go down the embedded Firebird
route just yet - it is still experimental, lacks correct cross-platform
support and is no way near fully functional.



Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Version 5.2.3

2016-11-04 Thread Paolo Debortoli 
I've never had problems with mozilla on ubuntu  (maybe you took a wrong page or 
it is a false positive).  try:


https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/




On Friday, November 4, 2016 2:00 AM, MR ZenWiz  wrote:
I tried to download the tar.gz file for this and Chrome says it's
dangerous or malevolent or something and won't let it complete the
download.

Whazzupwidat?

Thanks.
MR

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

2016-11-04 Thread Paolo Debortoli 
Hi.  I am using Ubuntu xfce  with LibreOffice without problems since years.   I 
mostly download the .deb packages from the internet sites via browser: they are 
zipped, so I unpack them in a directory on the desktop, open a terminal in that 
directory and run the command sudo dpkg -i *.deb in each subfolder containing 
rhe .deb files.  Before installing a new version you should better purge the 
previous one: sudo apt-get --purge libreoffice*.  In the last version ubuntu 
uses apt instead of apt-get.

You can find some good guides usin duckduckgo (or google) looking for 'install 
libreoffice on ubuntu x.y.


Repos are not always updated and maintained for the lst versions (it happens 
they don't work properly), but installing from repository requires always sudo 
apt-get install.  Unfortunately the last package manager in Ubuntu (Ubuntu 
software center) doesn't find always packages, it has still some bugs.

Paolo





On Friday, November 4, 2016 3:39 AM, Ken Springer  wrote:
On 10/31/16 6:45 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> Here's how I did it with Ubuntu 14.04LTS. I imagine it might work with Mint, 
> which is based on Ubuntu.
>
>
> Method 1
>
> I opened a command line terminal (With Ubuntu, it's Ctrl-Alt-t).
>
> I typed in the following commands, hitting  after each line.
>
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-5-1
>
> sudo apt-get update
>
>
> Virgil

Hi, Virgil,

Method 2 does not work for me.  Theory, the Synaptic Package Manager in 
17.3 is a bit different than what you have seen.  The exact steps you 
mentioned can't be done, and I made my "best guess" as to the correct 
selections I see in 17.3 here.  What I've ended up with is a cursor 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Struggling with Hebrew in LO

2016-11-04 Thread Dotan Cohen 
I apologize for not having seen this thread sooner. Here is a document
which explains why you see what you do, and how to work with it rather
than against it. The concepts are really quite simple, but not
intuitive:
http://dotancohen.com/howto/rtl_right_to_left.html

You are invited to contact me at any time with questions.

Some examples of proper mixed Hebrew and English:

Hello, יהונתן, how are you?‎
‫שלום, Jonathan, מה שלומך?

English at the beginning, עברית בסוף.‎
‫עברית בהתחלה, English at the end.

Because plain-text email does not even have a concept of alignment,
the alignment of the Hebrew sentences depends on your renderer (email
client or web browser). Most likely, they will all be left-aligned.
Note however that alignment and directionality are different concepts.
In all cases, the punctuation should be at the proper end of the
sentence. In order to have Hebrew texts right-aligned in email, I
would have to have sent an HTML email. In LibreOffice you shouldn't
have such an issue. LibreOffice, unlike email, has a concept of
alignment.




On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Jonathan Allen
 wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> I'm struggling with using mixed English and Hebrew text in LO.  This is
> a fully up-to-date LO 5.1.4.2 in a new installation of Linux Mint.
>
> When I type English text, the letters come out in the right order, but the
> punctuation goes at the beginning of the line, until the next letter is typed
> which is strange but sort-of-OK in mid-sentence but no good at end of the
> paragraph.
>
> Attempting to combine Hebrew and English text in the same sentence, as it
> were to say 'shalom' in flight, assembles the language blocks the wrong
> way round.  Using Alt-Ctrl-8 and Alt-Ctrl-9 doesn't seem to fix this and
> the Shift-Ctrl-D and Alt-Shift combinations are also dysfunctional.  The
> font-name (selected as SBL Hebrew) switches once characters are typed to
> DejaVu Sans.
>
> This is probably all very familiar to someone (if not all), so anyone
> help me to get this working correctly, please?
>
> Jonathan
>
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