Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply List instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird 14.0. I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to post a message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does make it easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy the email address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This will be easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use the new Reply List button instead of the Reply button. On 08/12/2012 09:53 PM, Anthony Easthope wrote: I quite like this idea of change as it now seems that less mistakes should be made! On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 01:33 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 18:31 12/08/2012 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called Reply to mangling has been disabled). Well done! This new way fails safe. A message intended to be public may get sent privately by mistake - a minor inconvenience that can easily be remedied by sending the message again correctly. The old method risked messages intended to be private being sent publicly - a unfortunate consequence that simply cannot be undone. Interestingly, there's an argument that list processors have no business inserting a Reply-To header, which is instead the sole domain of the message's author. RFC 2822 appears to require this: 'When the Reply-To: field is present, it indicates the mailbox(es) to which the *author* of the message suggests that replies be sent (my emphasis). The author of a message, of course, is not the list. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: COPY/PASTE HOTKEY PROBLEM
Am 12.08.2012 22:57, Jacob Octavius Jarlskov wrote: Everytime I press ctrl+c or ctrl+v Writer freeze and collaps. Any ideas? Shut down Skype. Shut down any clipboard managers. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc 3.6.0 takes a lot of time editing any cell o a file
In Calc 3.6, the conditional formatting with a condition of type * 'Formula is'* doesn't work well. In my sheet I have logic formulas, for example * 'Sheet1'.A1'Sheet1'.A2*, and they don't work. If the file was created with a previous version, in Calc 3.6 the conditon appears as* 'Sheet1'.#REF!1'Sheet1'.#REF!1*. And, if I create a file with Calc 3.6 and open it with 3.5, surprisingly the conditon appears as * 'Sheet1'.B1'Sheet1'.B2* (has changed the references to cells) It looks like Calc 3.6 changes the references of the cells in the conditional formatting with conditions of type* 'Formula is'* -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Calc-3-6-0-takes-a-lot-of-time-editing-any-cell-of-a-file-tp4000339p4001010.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird 14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does make it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy the email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This will be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because
I had trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me.
not a big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
On 08/12/2012 09:53 PM, Anthony Easthope wrote:
I quite like this idea of change as it now seems that less mistakes
should be made!
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 01:33 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
At 18:31 12/08/2012 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have
changed (so-called Reply to mangling has been disabled).
Well done!
This new way fails safe. A message intended to be public may get
sent privately by mistake - a minor inconvenience that can easily be
remedied by sending the message again correctly. The old method
risked messages intended to be private being sent publicly - a
unfortunate consequence that simply cannot be undone.
Interestingly, there's an argument that list processors have no
business inserting a Reply-To header, which is instead the sole
domain of the message's author. RFC 2822 appears to require this:
'When the Reply-To: field is present, it indicates the mailbox(es)
to which the *author* of the message suggests that replies be sent
(my emphasis). The author of a message, of course, is not the list.
Brian Barker
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this list
to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing the
list to hear what's new and learn from others.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird 14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does make it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy the email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This will be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I had
trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not a
big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the
thread by mistake. I am so use to pressing Reply and the next button
being Reply All, that I now have to remember to skip the Reply
button and remember that the Reply All button has been replaced with
Reply List. This may cause some problems, if too many of our list
users get the reply posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead
the How can I know which one is a spam? thread in the Website list.
I nearly sent this posting to anne-ology instead of the User list.
This is going to be a problem, maybe.
On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this list
to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing the
list to hear what's new and learn from others.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird 14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does make it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy the email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This will be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I had
trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not a
big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
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re: [libreoffice-users] Word count fantasies
I confirm with LO 3.6.0.4 on Windows 7. Count with the same file and MS Word Word 2002 is also différent. JMG Message du 12/08/12 20:51 De : Guy Voets A : users@global.libreoffice.org Copie à : Guy Voets Objet : [libreoffice-users] Word count fantasies Hello, I suspect a bug has entered the word count. I tested some texts and found serious differences between the number of words LibO 3.6 (3.6.0.4 to be exact) gives and the real number (as given by LibO 3.5). A text of 1200 words only has 660, a 7000 word text gives a 4900 count. Some paragraphs (when selected) give a correct count, others not. What may be the cause of this anomaly? Can anybody confirm, on Mac or with other OS? -- Guy using LibO 3.6.0 on a iMac Intel DualCore Mountain Lion 10.8 -- please reply only to users@global.libreoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
exactly.
Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual list
or
(2) to change this from a list to private
communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning
the ins outs of LO.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the thread
by mistake. I am so use to pressing Reply and the next button being
Reply All, that I now have to remember to skip the Reply button and
remember that the Reply All button has been replaced with Reply List.
This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the reply
posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead the
How can I know which one is a spam? thread in the Website list.
I nearly sent this posting to anne-ology instead of the User list. This
is going to be a problem, maybe.
On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this
list
to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing
the
list to hear what's new and learn from others.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird 14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does make
it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy the
email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This will
be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use
the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I
had
trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not
a
big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
To me it seems fairly straightforward. I use Opera mail and it is great
for mailing lists as it groups all replies to one thread in a
conversation view. it also has a *Reply to list and a *Reply all
functionality. It only seems logical to me to hit reply to list as
that is what it is. anyway as the cliche goes I was jus sayin
Regards
Anthony
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:19 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly.
Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual
list
or
(2) to change this from a list to
private
communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning
the ins outs of LO.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the thread
by mistake. I am so use to pressing Reply and the next button being
Reply All, that I now have to remember to skip the Reply button and
remember that the Reply All button has been replaced with Reply List.
This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the reply
posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead the
How can I know which one is a spam? thread in the Website list.
I nearly sent this posting to anne-ology instead of the User list. This
is going to be a problem, maybe.
On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this
list
to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing
the
list to hear what's new and learn from others.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird 14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does make
it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy the
email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This will
be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use
the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I
had
trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not
a
big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
I'm subscribed to quite a few lists by now, and some of them has had this ”new” behaviour for quite some time. I was kind of hoping THEY would change… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
Exactly - and this is why I totally am not in favour of replying to the
person rather than the list
Our British Car list used to reply to the list and if someone asked a
question everyone saw the answers and ensuing dialogue. Someone
complained about reply to list and the reply to was changed - the result
is that we seldom see the responses to questions and folks receiving the
info end up having to remember to forward all of the responses to the
list so others can share
Not a good idea to reply to sender on these help lists
Preston
anne-ology wrote:
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this list
to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing the
list to hear what's new and learn from others.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird 14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does make it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy the email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This will be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I had
trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not a
big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com:
To me it seems fairly straightforward. I use Opera mail and it is great
for mailing lists as it groups all replies to one thread in a
conversation view. it also has a *Reply to list and a *Reply all
functionality. It only seems logical to me to hit reply to list as
that is what it is. anyway as the cliche goes I was jus sayin
Regards
Anthony
When you say Opera mail, do you mean the Opera web mail or the Opera
M2 email client?
Kind regards
Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:19 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly.
Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual
list
or
(2) to change this from a list to
private
communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning
the ins outs of LO.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the thread
by mistake. I am so use to pressing Reply and the next button being
Reply All, that I now have to remember to skip the Reply button and
remember that the Reply All button has been replaced with Reply List.
This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the reply
posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead the
How can I know which one is a spam? thread in the Website list.
I nearly sent this posting to anne-ology instead of the User list. This
is going to be a problem, maybe.
On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this
list
to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing
the
list to hear what's new and learn from others.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird 14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does make
it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy the
email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This will
be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use
the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I
had
trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not
a
big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
Opera Webmail. I move around to much on computers to use a dedicated
mail client. http://mail.opera.com
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:39 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com:
To me it seems fairly straightforward. I use Opera mail and it is great
for mailing lists as it groups all replies to one thread in a
conversation view. it also has a *Reply to list and a *Reply all
functionality. It only seems logical to me to hit reply to list as
that is what it is. anyway as the cliche goes I was jus sayin
Regards
Anthony
When you say Opera mail, do you mean the Opera web mail or the Opera
M2 email client?
Kind regards
Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:19 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly.
Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual
list
or
(2) to change this from a list to
private
communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning
the ins outs of LO.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the
thread
by mistake. I am so use to pressing Reply and the next button being
Reply All, that I now have to remember to skip the Reply button and
remember that the Reply All button has been replaced with Reply List.
This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the
reply
posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead
the
How can I know which one is a spam? thread in the Website list.
I nearly sent this posting to anne-ology instead of the User list.
This
is going to be a problem, maybe.
On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this
list
to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing
the
list to hear what's new and learn from others.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply
List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird
14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to
post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does make
it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy the
email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This
will
be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to
use
the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending
private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I
had
trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me.
not
a
big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com:
Opera Webmail. I move around to much on computers to use a dedicated
mail client. http://mail.opera.com
I actually have an Opera Mail address, but I didn't use it for years
now; maybe it's erased by now. So it could be a good idea to use Opera
Mail for email lists, then… How much space is there for each user
these days?
Kind regards
Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:39 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com:
To me it seems fairly straightforward. I use Opera mail and it is great
for mailing lists as it groups all replies to one thread in a
conversation view. it also has a *Reply to list and a *Reply all
functionality. It only seems logical to me to hit reply to list as
that is what it is. anyway as the cliche goes I was jus sayin
Regards
Anthony
When you say Opera mail, do you mean the Opera web mail or the Opera
M2 email client?
Kind regards
Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:19 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly.
Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual
list
or
(2) to change this from a list to
private
communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning
the ins outs of LO.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the
thread
by mistake. I am so use to pressing Reply and the next button being
Reply All, that I now have to remember to skip the Reply button and
remember that the Reply All button has been replaced with Reply
List.
This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the
reply
posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead
the
How can I know which one is a spam? thread in the Website list.
I nearly sent this posting to anne-ology instead of the User list.
This
is going to be a problem, maybe.
On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this
list
to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing
the
list to hear what's new and learn from others.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu
wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply
List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird
14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to
post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does
make
it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy the
email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This
will
be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to
use
the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending
private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because
I
had
trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me.
not
a
big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
It has changed to become @myopera.com now. and as it is still in beta
phase you only have 1gb of space which is still heaps for emails! They
plan to increase it in the near future. (best thing with this is there
is no adverts to annoy me or nor is there googles stupid tracking
policy!)
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:50 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com:
Opera Webmail. I move around to much on computers to use a dedicated
mail client. http://mail.opera.com
I actually have an Opera Mail address, but I didn't use it for years
now; maybe it's erased by now. So it could be a good idea to use Opera
Mail for email lists, then… How much space is there for each user
these days?
Kind regards
Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:39 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com:
To me it seems fairly straightforward. I use Opera mail and it is great
for mailing lists as it groups all replies to one thread in a
conversation view. it also has a *Reply to list and a *Reply all
functionality. It only seems logical to me to hit reply to list as
that is what it is. anyway as the cliche goes I was jus sayin
Regards
Anthony
When you say Opera mail, do you mean the Opera web mail or the Opera
M2 email client?
Kind regards
Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:19 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly.
Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual
list
or
(2) to change this from a list to
private
communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning
the ins outs of LO.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the
thread
by mistake. I am so use to pressing Reply and the next button being
Reply All, that I now have to remember to skip the Reply button
and
remember that the Reply All button has been replaced with Reply
List.
This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the
reply
posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him
instead the
How can I know which one is a spam? thread in the Website list.
I nearly sent this posting to anne-ology instead of the User list.
This
is going to be a problem, maybe.
On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing
this
list
to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than
allowing
the
list to hear what's new and learn from others.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu
wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply
List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird
14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to
post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does
make
it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy
the
email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This
will
be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget
to use
the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending
private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only
because I
had
trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to
me. not
a
big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
Greetings,
I hope this gets to the right place. I used Reply All in
Thunderbird. The header looks correct, but people are going to get
duplicate messages.
Here is another side-effect of this change:
Florian,
Right! Yesterday, your changes broke my email filter which puts
libreoffice user group messages in a specific folder. But then I changed
the filter from looking at Reply-To: to To: and thought that would
suffice. Now, this morning I got 7 libreoffice messages in my correct
folder via my filter change, and 4 messages direct from members in my
main inbox, which my filter did not catch. Your change may make it easy
for you, but it is a nightmare for me. There is no way I can create
filters for all users who use their address.
My vote is to return the list to the way it behaved before you made this
change. This is Anne-ology's Poll option #1.
I might also add, that the mis-addressed private message issue did
happen to me many years ago, when I sent what I thought was a private
joke message and discovered to my chagrin after sending it, that
Netscape also added a newsgroup address to the header without my
blessing. You can imagine the impact of that. It was not funny and I
am still, after over 20 years, seeing that association come up now and
then. Since then, I verify where my email client is sending my messages
before sending them. Anyone who does not do so, is taking a chance and
should not persecute others for their mistakes.
Girvin Herr
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the
thread by mistake. I am so use to pressing Reply and the next
button being Reply All, that I now have to remember to skip the
Reply button and remember that the Reply All button has been
replaced with Reply List. This may cause some problems, if too many
of our list users get the reply posting that were meant to go to the
lists instead.
Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead
the How can I know which one is a spam? thread in the Website list.
I nearly sent this posting to anne-ology instead of the User list.
This is going to be a problem, maybe.
On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing
this list
to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than
allowing the
list to hear what's new and learn from others.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply
List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird
14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to
post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does
make it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy
the email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This
will be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to
use the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only
because I had
trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me.
not a
big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
I prefer the list, or even better a forum. I won't be bothered editing
the to/cc fields on a reply so it will be reply-all and every poster I
reply to will get a private copy. I suspect in time this will become the
norm.
Steve
On 2012-08-14 08:01, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
Greetings,
I hope this gets to the right place. I used Reply All in
Thunderbird. The header looks correct, but people are going to get
duplicate messages.
Here is another side-effect of this change:
Florian,
Right! Yesterday, your changes broke my email filter which puts
libreoffice user group messages in a specific folder. But then I
changed the filter from looking at Reply-To: to To: and thought
that would suffice. Now, this morning I got 7 libreoffice messages in
my correct folder via my filter change, and 4 messages direct from
members in my main inbox, which my filter did not catch. Your change
may make it easy for you, but it is a nightmare for me. There is no
way I can create filters for all users who use their address.
My vote is to return the list to the way it behaved before you made
this change. This is Anne-ology's Poll option #1.
I might also add, that the mis-addressed private message issue did
happen to me many years ago, when I sent what I thought was a private
joke message and discovered to my chagrin after sending it, that
Netscape also added a newsgroup address to the header without my
blessing. You can imagine the impact of that. It was not funny and I
am still, after over 20 years, seeing that association come up now and
then. Since then, I verify where my email client is sending my
messages before sending them. Anyone who does not do so, is taking a
chance and should not persecute others for their mistakes.
Girvin Herr
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the
thread by mistake. I am so use to pressing Reply and the next
button being Reply All, that I now have to remember to skip the
Reply button and remember that the Reply All button has been
replaced with Reply List. This may cause some problems, if too
many of our list users get the reply posting that were meant to go to
the lists instead.
Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him
instead the How can I know which one is a spam? thread in the
Website list.
I nearly sent this posting to anne-ology instead of the User list.
This is going to be a problem, maybe.
On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing
this list
to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than
allowing the
list to hear what's new and learn from others.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu
wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply
List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird
14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to
post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does
make it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy
the email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This
will be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget
to use the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only
because I had
trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to
me. not a
big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
On 08/13/2012 03:37 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: I'm subscribed to quite a few lists by now, and some of them has had this ”new” behaviour for quite some time. I was kind of hoping THEY would change… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ It will just take some time to get use to NOT using the Reply button for replying to these threads. Before the change was made, I never saw a Reply List as the text for the button that normally is for Reply All. I have been using Reply since Spring of last year, so it will take time for me to get use to doing it a different way. Things change all the time. In the past year, Thunderbird went from 3.x.x to 14.x.x on the Ubuntu 10.04 repository. Sometimes Change is good, while other times it is not. I do not like change for change sake like MS is doing with Win8 so your desktop looks like your tablet. Not for me that. But with this major change on how to reply to the list emails, or which button to use, people will need to be aware that there might be a lot of mistakes sending the reply to the email to the last poster and not to the list itself. I already did that one and nearly twice today. So it most likely will happen with others as well. I use Thunderbird, so I do not know what it looks like with Outlook or other mail clients, or even web-browser based emails like some of the accounts for GMail, Hotmail, YahooMail, NetZeorMail, etc., etc., will show in their web page[s] for accessing your emails instead via an email-client. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
On 08/13/2012 06:53 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: On 08/13/2012 03:37 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: I'm subscribed to quite a few lists by now, and some of them has had this ”new” behaviour for quite some time. I was kind of hoping THEY would change… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ It will just take some time to get use to NOT using the Reply button for replying to these threads. Before the change was made, I never saw a Reply List as the text for the button that normally is for Reply All. I have been using Reply since Spring of last year, so it will take time for me to get use to doing it a different way. Things change all the time. In the past year, Thunderbird went from 3.x.x to 14.x.x on the Ubuntu 10.04 repository. Sometimes Change is good, while other times it is not. I do not like change for change sake like MS is doing with Win8 so your desktop looks like your tablet. Not for me that. But with this major change on how to reply to the list emails, or which button to use, people will need to be aware that there might be a lot of mistakes sending the reply to the email to the last poster and not to the list itself. I already did that one and nearly twice today. So it most likely will happen with others as well. I use Thunderbird, so I do not know what it looks like with Outlook or other mail clients, or even web-browser based emails like some of the accounts for GMail, Hotmail, YahooMail, NetZeorMail, etc., etc., will show in their web page[s] for accessing your emails instead via an email-client. I see the Reply List next to Reply in Thunderbird. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
On 08/12/2012 12:31 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called Reply to mangling has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were automatically sent directly to the list. In the past, this lead to two major problems: 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list, where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people hit reply and thought it would reply to the sender only. 2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because of reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also led to the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who needed to spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden with others. While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just one way to find out... Therefore, I have applied a change: Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You either need to use the reply to all feature of your e-mail program, or - preferably - the reply to list/reply to group feature, which will direct replies directly to the list. This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel here. Those seeking for details should have a look at http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, so I am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists are unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those two, even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are mutually exclusive to each other. In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and again, I beg for your understanding. Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you is to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or not. Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will immediately switch back to the old behaviour. Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm somehow sitting between two chairs here. Florian Hey All, Not trying to be rude. All of you should be smart enough to run an email tool. After all you're all Linux users who administer at least one Linux installation. For those of you having trouble with email filters try filtering on libreoffice-users in the subject line. That should get all your email to the right folder. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registerd Linux user No #267004 www.counter.li.org -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
you're mis-informed; I, for one, have never used a Linus-based machine; and I bet I'm not the only one. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 08/12/2012 12:31 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called Reply to mangling has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were automatically sent directly to the list. In the past, this lead to two major problems: 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list, where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people hit reply and thought it would reply to the sender only. 2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because of reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also led to the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who needed to spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden with others. While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just one way to find out... Therefore, I have applied a change: Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You either need to use the reply to all feature of your e-mail program, or - preferably - the reply to list/reply to group feature, which will direct replies directly to the list. This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel here. Those seeking for details should have a look at http://www.unicom.com/pw/**reply-to-harmful.htmlhttp://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, so I am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists are unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those two, even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are mutually exclusive to each other. In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and again, I beg for your understanding. Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you is to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or not. Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will immediately switch back to the old behaviour. Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm somehow sitting between two chairs here. Florian Hey All, Not trying to be rude. All of you should be smart enough to run an email tool. After all you're all Linux users who administer at least one Linux installation. For those of you having trouble with email filters try filtering on libreoffice-users in the subject line. That should get all your email to the right folder. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registerd Linux user No #267004 www.counter.li.org -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
On 8/13/2012 7:25 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: I see the Reply List next to Reply in Thunderbird. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com That reply list button is apparently a function of this list. It isn't on any other list that I subscribe to. Many thanks to the list managers who took care of this problem. David Teague -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
I primarily use SUSE but also osx and win. I support Anne. If (as an example only) 80% of LO potential is win based and this is the target for growth then to be non-exclusive and encourage advancement in the win platform the support list should cater for the most common win. mail applications. Browser (gmail, hotmail, yahoo, etc.) or outlook. If we are trying to stifle growth and keep LO in the linux club, then make it easy for linux users and less convenient for others. Steve On 2012-08-14 11:55, anne-ology wrote: you're mis-informed; I, for one, have never used a Linus-based machine; and I bet I'm not the only one. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 08/12/2012 12:31 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called Reply to mangling has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were automatically sent directly to the list. In the past, this lead to two major problems: 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list, where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people hit reply and thought it would reply to the sender only. 2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because of reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also led to the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who needed to spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden with others. While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just one way to find out... Therefore, I have applied a change: Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You either need to use the reply to all feature of your e-mail program, or - preferably - the reply to list/reply to group feature, which will direct replies directly to the list. This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel here. Those seeking for details should have a look at http://www.unicom.com/pw/**reply-to-harmful.htmlhttp://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, so I am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists are unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those two, even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are mutually exclusive to each other. In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and again, I beg for your understanding. Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you is to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or not. Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will immediately switch back to the old behaviour. Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm somehow sitting between two chairs here. Florian Hey All, Not trying to be rude. All of you should be smart enough to run an email tool. After all you're all Linux users who administer at least one Linux installation. For those of you having trouble with email filters try filtering on libreoffice-users in the subject line. That should get all your email to the right folder. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registerd Linux user No #267004 www.counter.li.org -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
Hello everyone, I just wanted to thank everyone for your feedback, and assure you that I read every bit, even if I don't manage to reply to every message in detail. My offer stands valid, let's wait for some more feedback and some more days, and then make a final decision. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
Steve, you're so right; thank you for some statistics. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.comwrote: I primarily use SUSE but also osx and win. I support Anne. If (as an example only) 80% of LO potential is win based and this is the target for growth then to be non-exclusive and encourage advancement in the win platform the support list should cater for the most common win. mail applications. Browser (gmail, hotmail, yahoo, etc.) or outlook. If we are trying to stifle growth and keep LO in the linux club, then make it easy for linux users and less convenient for others. Steve On 2012-08-14 11:55, anne-ology wrote: you're mis-informed; I, for one, have never used a Linus-based machine; and I bet I'm not the only one. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: Hey All, Not trying to be rude. All of you should be smart enough to run an email tool. After all you're all Linux users who administer at least one Linux installation. For those of you having trouble with email filters try filtering on libreoffice-users in the subject line. That should get all your email to the right folder. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registerd Linux user No #267004 www.counter.li.org -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
On 08/13/2012 07:36 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: On 08/12/2012 12:31 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called Reply to mangling has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were automatically sent directly to the list. In the past, this lead to two major problems: 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list, where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people hit reply and thought it would reply to the sender only. 2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because of reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also led to the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who needed to spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden with others. While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just one way to find out... Therefore, I have applied a change: Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You either need to use the reply to all feature of your e-mail program, or - preferably - the reply to list/reply to group feature, which will direct replies directly to the list. This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel here. Those seeking for details should have a look at http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, so I am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists are unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those two, even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are mutually exclusive to each other. In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and again, I beg for your understanding. Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you is to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or not. Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will immediately switch back to the old behaviour. Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm somehow sitting between two chairs here. Florian Hey All, Not trying to be rude. All of you should be smart enough to run an email tool. After all you're all Linux users who administer at least one Linux installation. For those of you having trouble with email filters try filtering on libreoffice-users in the subject line. That should get all your email to the right folder. I filter on email address. LibreO - Website folder gets webs...@global.libreoffice.org LibreO - Projects Global folder gets proje...@global.libreoffice.org LibreO - Marketing US folder gets market...@us.libreoffice.org LibreO - Marketing Global folder gets market...@global.libreoffice.org LibreO - Users Global folder gets users@global.libreoffice.org So each list goes into its own folder in Thunderbird. I also have different folders for newsletters, friends, family, organizations I deal with, domain related, purchases via Amazon and PayPal accounts, etc., etc.. All of these folders are based on email address filtering and not subject line filtering. So, once I get an email from a proper source, then I get to decide which folder that email address will go into. Subject lines and other filtering methods do not work as well for me. Every email that gets left in the general inbox, that I am sharing with 12 email addresses I check with Thunderbird, could be potential SPAM or missed valid emails from known people. Some of the emails I receive that come from addresses that are automatically forwarded to my TRASH folder without me ever seeing any emails from those known SPAM sites/addresses. 95% of the all the daily emails I receive will go into a folder instead of the default inbox. Most of those that come into that inbox are from people or companies I have not received from before. So, I get only a few unknown emails to go through myself. Works for me. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
Another method is to have multiple e-addresses - in this way, the e-address will remain valid even if the ISP changes ;-) each e-address is known to certain ones; I log-in to the e-address I wish to peruse then go on to the next one, etc. [and I'll filter within each as well] BTW - my categories vary - from computer-helping to computer-continuing-education to writing, ... to political and news to humour ... ... ... then there's genealogical and historical to UTube postings ;-) On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:33 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I filter on email address. LibreO - Website folder gets website@global.libreoffice.**orgwebs...@global.libreoffice.org LibreO - Projects Global folder gets projects@global.libreoffice.**orgproje...@global.libreoffice.org LibreO - Marketing US folder gets market...@us.libreoffice.org LibreO - Marketing Global folder gets marketing@global.libreoffice.**orgmarket...@global.libreoffice.org LibreO - Users Global folder gets users@global.libreoffice.org So each list goes into its own folder in Thunderbird. I also have different folders for newsletters, friends, family, organizations I deal with, domain related, purchases via Amazon and PayPal accounts, etc., etc.. All of these folders are based on email address filtering and not subject line filtering. So, once I get an email from a proper source, then I get to decide which folder that email address will go into. Subject lines and other filtering methods do not work as well for me. Every email that gets left in the general inbox, that I am sharing with 12 email addresses I check with Thunderbird, could be potential SPAM or missed valid emails from known people. Some of the emails I receive that come from addresses that are automatically forwarded to my TRASH folder without me ever seeing any emails from those known SPAM sites/addresses. 95% of the all the daily emails I receive will go into a folder instead of the default inbox. Most of those that come into that inbox are from people or companies I have not received from before. So, I get only a few unknown emails to go through myself. Works for me. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: On 08/13/2012 07:36 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: On 08/12/2012 12:31 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called Reply to mangling has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were automatically sent directly to the list. In the past, this lead to two major problems: 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list, where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people hit reply and thought it would reply to the sender only. 2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because of reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also led to the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who needed to spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden with others. While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just one way to find out... Therefore, I have applied a change: Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You either need to use the reply to all feature of your e-mail program, or - preferably - the reply to list/reply to group feature, which will direct replies directly to the list. This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel here. Those seeking for details should have a look at http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, so I am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists are unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those two, even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are mutually exclusive to each other. In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and again, I beg for your understanding. Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you is to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or not. Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will immediately switch back to the old behaviour. Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm somehow sitting between two chairs here. Florian Hey All, Not trying to be rude. All of you should be smart enough to run an email tool. After all you're all Linux users who administer at least one Linux installation. For those of you having trouble with email filters try filtering on libreoffice-users in the subject line. That should get all your email to the right folder. I filter on email address. LibreO - Website folder gets webs...@global.libreoffice.org LibreO - Projects Global folder gets proje...@global.libreoffice.org LibreO - Marketing US folder gets market...@us.libreoffice.org LibreO - Marketing Global folder gets market...@global.libreoffice.org LibreO - Users Global folder gets users@global.libreoffice.org So each list goes into its own folder in Thunderbird. I also have different folders for newsletters, friends, family, organizations I deal with, domain related, purchases via Amazon and PayPal accounts, etc., etc.. All of these folders are based on email address filtering and not subject line filtering. So, once I get an email from a proper source, then I get to decide which folder that email address will go into. Subject lines and other filtering methods do not work as well for me. Every email that gets left in the general inbox, that I am sharing with 12 email addresses I check with Thunderbird, could be potential SPAM or missed valid emails from known people. Some of the emails I receive that come from addresses that are automatically forwarded to my TRASH folder without me ever seeing any emails from those known SPAM sites/addresses. 95% of the all the daily emails I receive will go into a folder instead of the default inbox. Most of those that come into that inbox are from people or companies I have not received from before. So, I get only a few unknown emails to go through myself. Works for me. Webmaster..., That's sort of what I do. I think I discovered the secret. In this group now, it appears when someone Reply-Alls to a posting, The To: comes from the From: posting header entry, which is the poster's address and not practical to
[libreoffice-users] complicating Reply settings ...
... will decrease users by making it even more cumbersome to find help for LO; is that LO's mission??? It's next to impossible now to go to your website and find any place to ask for help ... therefore, folks will continue to use the MSFT products even if they are continually hacked simply because that's what's built into the machines. The best computer software programs are those designed by individuals who care about what they are doing, caring enough to make a quality product then sharing this with others - many are free for the individual user. Yet there still are many who think that free means poor quality so they stick with the expensive and hacked MSFT products. This resembles the downfall of volunteerism - a volunteer accomplishes more because he cares about what he's doing, but for the past few decades, many volunteers have been replaced by paid workers who don't have the same care so are not as efficient. I ask you, just what is your mission with LO??? On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Webmaster..., That's sort of what I do. I think I discovered the secret. In this group now, it appears when someone Reply-Alls to a posting, The To: comes from the From: posting header entry, which is the poster's address and not practical to filter on in this case. However, the group address ( users@global.libreoffice.org) is inserted into the Cc: field. So, tried using users@global.libreoffice.org in both the Cc: filter field as well as the To: filter field. I don't know what side-effects this will generate in the long run, but it seems to be working for me so far. I never filter on Subject: unless there is some constant in there to grab onto and it is the only option. Another poster above suggested filtering on the [libreoffice-users] in the subject field. That should work, but I don't trust it to stay constant. However, that is an option. Girvin Herr -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
It is fine the way it is as of now, in fact I quite like the change as it means I no longer get broken threads in my inbox which leads to it being cluttered. so my vote lies with the change, I use to use a Linux machine but found it beyond my comprehension so migrated back to windows. Florian you made a good choice and I am glad that you have made it and it must be noted that no matter what one can do you will never be able to please everybody as that is one of the raw elements of human nature because as I am sure your all aware humans do no not generally like a lot of change of difference and that is one of the major root causes of all disputes! Regards Anthony :) On Tue, 14 Aug 2012, at 03:07 AM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: On 08/13/2012 07:36 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: On 08/12/2012 12:31 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called Reply to mangling has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were automatically sent directly to the list. In the past, this lead to two major problems: 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list, where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people hit reply and thought it would reply to the sender only. 2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because of reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also led to the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who needed to spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden with others. While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just one way to find out... Therefore, I have applied a change: Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You either need to use the reply to all feature of your e-mail program, or - preferably - the reply to list/reply to group feature, which will direct replies directly to the list. This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel here. Those seeking for details should have a look at http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, so I am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists are unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those two, even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are mutually exclusive to each other. In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and again, I beg for your understanding. Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you is to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or not. Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will immediately switch back to the old behaviour. Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm somehow sitting between two chairs here. Florian Hey All, Not trying to be rude. All of you should be smart enough to run an email tool. After all you're all Linux users who administer at least one Linux installation. For those of you having trouble with email filters try filtering on libreoffice-users in the subject line. That should get all your email to the right folder. I filter on email address. LibreO - Website folder gets webs...@global.libreoffice.org LibreO - Projects Global folder gets proje...@global.libreoffice.org LibreO - Marketing US folder gets market...@us.libreoffice.org LibreO - Marketing Global folder gets market...@global.libreoffice.org LibreO - Users Global folder gets users@global.libreoffice.org So each list goes into its own folder in Thunderbird. I also have different folders for newsletters, friends, family, organizations I deal with, domain related, purchases via Amazon and PayPal accounts, etc., etc.. All of these folders are based on email address filtering and not subject line filtering. So, once I get an email from a proper source, then I get to decide which folder that email address will go into. Subject lines and other filtering methods do not work as well for me. Every
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote: I think I discovered the secret. In this group now, it appears when someone Reply-Alls to a posting, The To: comes from the From: posting header entry, which is the poster's address and not practical to filter on in this case. However, the group address (users@global.libreoffice.org) is inserted into the Cc: field. So, tried using users@global.libreoffice.org in both the Cc: filter field as well as the To: filter field. I don't know what side-effects this will generate in the long run, but it seems to be working for me so far. I never filter on Subject: unless there is some constant in there to grab onto and it is the only option. Another poster above suggested filtering on the [libreoffice-users] in the subject field. That should work, but I don't trust it to stay constant. However, that is an option. Girvin Herr this is the way it works in 'alpine' so this post will be sent under To: to you and webmaster-kracked_p_p while Reply: goes to the list. to me it feels like an inversion of the 'natural order' since I don't want to post to either of you _specifically_. I am not sure the consequences are dire at least in the case of 'alpine'; for instance, I believe the list management software prevents duplication of posts. but I guess I still don't get the point of this change. so some people do want to address individuals and forget they have aimed their email at the list? how does this change help those forgetful sorts? F. -- Felmon Davis Things present are judged by things past. -- Sanford -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] complicating Reply settings ...
This was a long running discussion before the change was made. Off hand, I would say that the sides were roughly split and, as with many things with LO, many of the people seemed to have pretty strong opinions. I expect that in the grand scheme of things, we won't see any serious problems regardless. For example: If a person, not knowing better, responds to a single individual rather than the list, it is annoying to the person receiving the reply. Worst case, fewer people respond because they don't want to be bothered with direct replies. I frequently receive direct replies regardless. If a person sends a response with private data to the list That happens occasionally, not as often, but sometimes. On 08/13/2012 09:39 PM, anne-ology wrote: ... will decrease users by making it even more cumbersome to find help for LO; is that LO's mission??? It's next to impossible now to go to your website and find any place to ask for help ... therefore, folks will continue to use the MSFT products even if they are continually hacked simply because that's what's built into the machines. The best computer software programs are those designed by individuals who care about what they are doing, caring enough to make a quality product then sharing this with others - many are free for the individual user. Yet there still are many who think that free means poor quality so they stick with the expensive and hacked MSFT products. This resembles the downfall of volunteerism - a volunteer accomplishes more because he cares about what he's doing, but for the past few decades, many volunteers have been replaced by paid workers who don't have the same care so are not as efficient. I ask you, just what is your mission with LO??? On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Webmaster..., That's sort of what I do. I think I discovered the secret. In this group now, it appears when someone Reply-Alls to a posting, The To: comes from the From: posting header entry, which is the poster's address and not practical to filter on in this case. However, the group address ( users@global.libreoffice.org) is inserted into the Cc: field. So, tried using users@global.libreoffice.org in both the Cc: filter field as well as the To: filter field. I don't know what side-effects this will generate in the long run, but it seems to be working for me so far. I never filter on Subject: unless there is some constant in there to grab onto and it is the only option. Another poster above suggested filtering on the [libreoffice-users] in the subject field. That should work, but I don't trust it to stay constant. However, that is an option. Girvin Herr -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
I would bet that you have used a Linux based machine. and you just never knew it. Seems like Linux is everywhere. Seems that I own a DVR, a fancy Panasonic DVD player, and a phone that all seem to be based on Linux. It is everywhere, we just don't know it! :-) On 08/13/2012 07:55 PM, anne-ology wrote: you're mis-informed; I, for one, have never used a Linus-based machine; and I bet I'm not the only one. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 08/12/2012 12:31 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called Reply to mangling has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were automatically sent directly to the list. In the past, this lead to two major problems: 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list, where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people hit reply and thought it would reply to the sender only. 2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because of reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also led to the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who needed to spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden with others. While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just one way to find out... Therefore, I have applied a change: Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You either need to use the reply to all feature of your e-mail program, or - preferably - the reply to list/reply to group feature, which will direct replies directly to the list. This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel here. Those seeking for details should have a look at http://www.unicom.com/pw/**reply-to-harmful.htmlhttp://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, so I am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists are unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those two, even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are mutually exclusive to each other. In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and again, I beg for your understanding. Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you is to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or not. Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will immediately switch back to the old behaviour. Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm somehow sitting between two chairs here. Florian Hey All, Not trying to be rude. All of you should be smart enough to run an email tool. After all you're all Linux users who administer at least one Linux installation. For those of you having trouble with email filters try filtering on libreoffice-users in the subject line. That should get all your email to the right folder. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registerd Linux user No #267004 www.counter.li.org -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Zotero Intergration with LO [Proposition / Feature Request?]
Hi Guys I have a proposition for you all and am not sure if you would class it as a feature request or a partnership suggestion. My idea is as follows: The Document Foundation partners up with Roy Rosenzwieg Center for History and New Media and work together on making The Zotero project an integral part of the LibreOffice frame work. I have the feeling that I might be treading on thin ground here but I will outline my reasons as to why this could work below * Libreoffice is perfect for use within university's / schools as it can be easily distributed thanks to the GNU license the same goes for Zotero * The use of Zotero could replace the inbuilt Bibliography referencing tool as the current one is quite bewildering to use for many people * Zotero has a nice GUI and can work in with Firefox via an extension which is also open source so at the same time we are not just supporting one open-source initiative but three! * Zotero is open to suggestions and it appears to other projects as well * Increased awareness of The Document Foundation program via Zotero related media attention (Vice Versa for LO and Zotero) * it would bring a fresh feel to the whole project and could even mean a new approach and reinvigorate the project Let me Know what you think and feel free to shoot me down if you so wish! Regards Anthony Easthope -- antiso...@myopera.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
