[libreoffice-users] How to arrange figures on page (table?)

2012-09-25 Thread Agustin Lobo
I normally use tables to arrange figures within a page (i.e., a 2col x
1 row for 2 figures) The problem is that normally figures get reshaped
(and distorted) to fit the cell, while what I would like is to get the
cell shape to fit the figure. How can I do it?
Also, is there a better way to arrange figures in a page?
I've tried using columns, but I have the same problem: figures get
reshaped and do not keep their width x height ratio.

Thanks

Agus

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[libreoffice-users] Re: How to arrange figures on page (table?)

2012-09-25 Thread Agustin Lobo
Answering myself: had overlooked the option Image to Warp. The
current and correct console input in the log is now:

FineRegistration -ref
/home/alobo/Downloads/OTB-Data-07368929b3a5/Examples/StereoFixed.png
-sec /home/alobo/Downloads/OTB-Data-07368929b3a5/Examples/StereoMoving.png
-erx 2 -ery 2 -mrx 3 -mry 3 -w
/home/alobo/Downloads/OTB-Data-07368929b3a5/Examples/StereoMoving.png
-cox 0 -coy 0 -ssrx 1 -ssry 1 -rgsx 0 -rgsy 0 -sgsx 0 -sgsy 0 -spa
0.0099977648 -vmlt 0 -vmut 0 -ram 128 -out
/media/Iomega_HDD/QGISTESTS/testfinereg.tif -wo
/media/Iomega_HDD/QGISTESTS/testfineregwarp.tif

Very confused on how to fine tune this though, as the info in the
cookbook is too scarce. Where can I find info so that
i can understand what I'm doing and try different parameters?

Thanks

Agus

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Agustin Lobo alobolis...@gmail.com wrote:
 I normally use tables to arrange figures within a page (i.e., a 2col x
 1 row for 2 figures) The problem is that normally figures get reshaped
 (and distorted) to fit the cell, while what I would like is to get the
 cell shape to fit the figure. How can I do it?
 Also, is there a better way to arrange figures in a page?
 I've tried using columns, but I have the same problem: figures get
 reshaped and do not keep their width x height ratio.

 Thanks

 Agus

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[libreoffice-users] Re: How to arrange figures on page (table?)

2012-09-25 Thread Agustin Lobo
Excuse me,  this answer was concerning another message.
My original libreoffice question still remains...
Thanks
Agus

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Agustin Lobo alobolis...@gmail.com wrote:
 Answering myself: had overlooked the option Image to Warp. The
 current and correct console input in the log is now:

 FineRegistration -ref
 /home/alobo/Downloads/OTB-Data-07368929b3a5/Examples/StereoFixed.png
 -sec /home/alobo/Downloads/OTB-Data-07368929b3a5/Examples/StereoMoving.png
 -erx 2 -ery 2 -mrx 3 -mry 3 -w
 /home/alobo/Downloads/OTB-Data-07368929b3a5/Examples/StereoMoving.png
 -cox 0 -coy 0 -ssrx 1 -ssry 1 -rgsx 0 -rgsy 0 -sgsx 0 -sgsy 0 -spa
 0.0099977648 -vmlt 0 -vmut 0 -ram 128 -out
 /media/Iomega_HDD/QGISTESTS/testfinereg.tif -wo
 /media/Iomega_HDD/QGISTESTS/testfineregwarp.tif

 Very confused on how to fine tune this though, as the info in the
 cookbook is too scarce. Where can I find info so that
 i can understand what I'm doing and try different parameters?

 Thanks

 Agus

 On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Agustin Lobo alobolis...@gmail.com wrote:
 I normally use tables to arrange figures within a page (i.e., a 2col x
 1 row for 2 figures) The problem is that normally figures get reshaped
 (and distorted) to fit the cell, while what I would like is to get the
 cell shape to fit the figure. How can I do it?
 Also, is there a better way to arrange figures in a page?
 I've tried using columns, but I have the same problem: figures get
 reshaped and do not keep their width x height ratio.

 Thanks

 Agus

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to arrange figures on page (table?)

2012-09-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Oops.  I'm not easily confused but isn't this confusing?  E, what was the 
question again?  I mean the unanswered one not the one you solved without our 
'help'
Regards from
Tom :)  






 From: Agustin Lobo alobolis...@gmail.com
To: users users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2012, 14:05
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to arrange figures on page (table?)
 
Excuse me,  this answer was concerning another message.
My original libreoffice question still remains...
Thanks
Agus

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Agustin Lobo alobolis...@gmail.com wrote:
 Answering myself: had overlooked the option Image to Warp. The
 current and correct console input in the log is now:

 FineRegistration -ref
 /home/alobo/Downloads/OTB-Data-07368929b3a5/Examples/StereoFixed.png
 -sec /home/alobo/Downloads/OTB-Data-07368929b3a5/Examples/StereoMoving.png
 -erx 2 -ery 2 -mrx 3 -mry 3 -w
 /home/alobo/Downloads/OTB-Data-07368929b3a5/Examples/StereoMoving.png
 -cox 0 -coy 0 -ssrx 1 -ssry 1 -rgsx 0 -rgsy 0 -sgsx 0 -sgsy 0 -spa
 0.0099977648 -vmlt 0 -vmut 0 -ram 128 -out
 /media/Iomega_HDD/QGISTESTS/testfinereg.tif -wo
 /media/Iomega_HDD/QGISTESTS/testfineregwarp.tif

 Very confused on how to fine tune this though, as the info in the
 cookbook is too scarce. Where can I find info so that
 i can understand what I'm doing and try different parameters?

 Thanks

 Agus

 On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Agustin Lobo alobolis...@gmail.com wrote:
 I normally use tables to arrange figures within a page (i.e., a 2col x
 1 row for 2 figures) The problem is that normally figures get reshaped
 (and distorted) to fit the cell, while what I would like is to get the
 cell shape to fit the figure. How can I do it?
 Also, is there a better way to arrange figures in a page?
 I've tried using columns, but I have the same problem: figures get
 reshaped and do not keep their width x height ratio.

 Thanks

 Agus

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to arrange figures on page (table?)

2012-09-25 Thread Agustin Lobo
I apologize again. This is my original question:

I normally use tables to arrange figures within a page (i.e., a 2col x
1 row for 2 figures) The problem is that normally figures get reshaped
(and distorted) to fit the cell, while what I would like is to get the
cell shape to fit the figure. How can I do it?
Also, is there a better way to arrange figures in a page?
I've tried using columns, but I have the same problem: figures get
reshaped and do not keep their width x height ratio.

Thanks


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Hi :)
 Oops.  I'm not easily confused but isn't this confusing?  E, what was the 
 question again?  I mean the unanswered one not the one you solved without our 
 'help'
 Regards from
 Tom :)






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-09-25 Thread Wolfgang Keller
 My guess the group that complains the most about switching because of
 macros would be the second group 

Objection.

The point is that those people who actually use office software in
companies have absolutely no influence on what they work with. It's the
manangsters and administrictators who (pretend to) decide about this.

 because they only know a few languages at most (VBA and what they
 languages they learned as an undergraduate) 

I don't know any scientist or engineer who has ever learned Visual
Basic at university. And I know only *very* few who have *ever* learned
it at all.

 and do not want to learn another since their primary function is not
 programming.

A lot of scientists and engineers, if they use any scripting/programming
languages for software automation etc. tend to prefer languages that
provide an interactive commandline interpreter, besides other criteria
that VBA doesn't fulfil. A lot of those I know have learned Python as
their genuine bread and butter scripting  programming language. Some
even learn it as a first language at university these days.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-09-25 Thread Wolfgang Keller
 Most features one needs have been include in office suites since the
 some time in the 90's. I can not think of a feature that I want see
 implemented that is not already implemented.

Objection.

instead of braindeadly cloning MS features, which are mostly based on
cerebral flatulances emanating from product managers and similar
pointy-haired lifeforms, free software should imho instead demonstrate
how to increase user productivity by focusing on intelligent functional
concepts.

For example:

- genuine structure markup, like e.g. Wordperfect or Framemaker
provide. Instead of the spaghetti document model of MS Word.

- readable typesetting, such as e.g. LaTeX provides.

- possibilities to structure spreadsheets (like e.g. Lotus 1-2-3 did or
Quantrix Modeler still provides), use symbolic variable names (same
examples to follow) and a reasonably human-readable formula syntax
instead of the nestable-functional spaghetti mess à la Excel.

- actually useful formatting concepts for presentations like e.g. LaTeX
Beamer provides.

- etc. and so on

Sincerely,

Wolfgang


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-09-25 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 25/09/2012 at 17:52, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:

 - actually useful formatting concepts for presentations like e.g. LaTeX
 Beamer provides.


Could you elaborate? I don't know Beamer (I have heard the name, but never 
really used it) and I am interested in knowing what it has to offer that LO is 
not capable of.

As side note of my question: I don't think that LO should mimic every feature 
of LaTeX, especially WYSIWYM approach (instead of current WYSIWYG). I strongly 
believe that target group of LibreOffice is different than target group of 
LaTeX. 
LaTeX is already free, vital community exists, there are dedicated editors - 
users who prefer LaTeX approach can just use LaTeX.
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+1 Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-09-25 Thread Tom Davies
HI :)
+1
It might be nice to have an Extension that allows people to import LaTeX or 
have a program that can export a LaTeX document to Odf but it's not something 
that many people would use.  I doubt it would even be usefully possible.  A lot 
of the advantage of the format would be lost when converting it.  

A far better example than my stupid earlier one of spell checkers.  Many of us 
have probably never even heard of LaTeX but are somewhat reliant on decent 
spell checkers (ie NOT the MS ones).  
Regards from
Tom :)  







 From: Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2012, 17:37
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start 
renting their office products instead
 
On 25/09/2012 at 17:52, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:

 - actually useful formatting concepts for presentations like e.g. LaTeX
 Beamer provides.


Could you elaborate? I don't know Beamer (I have heard the name, but never 
really used it) and I am interested in knowing what it has to offer that LO is 
not capable of.

As side note of my question: I don't think that LO should mimic every feature 
of LaTeX, especially WYSIWYM approach (instead of current WYSIWYG). I strongly 
believe that target group of LibreOffice is different than target group of 
LaTeX. 
LaTeX is already free, vital community exists, there are dedicated editors - 
users who prefer LaTeX approach can just use LaTeX.
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Mirosław Zalewski

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to arrange figures on page (table?)

2012-09-25 Thread Dan Lewis

Answer below:

On 09/25/2012 10:23 AM, Agustin Lobo wrote:

I apologize again. This is my original question:

I normally use tables to arrange figures within a page (i.e., a 2col x
1 row for 2 figures) The problem is that normally figures get reshaped
(and distorted) to fit the cell, while what I would like is to get the
cell shape to fit the figure. How can I do it?
Also, is there a better way to arrange figures in a page?
I've tried using columns, but I have the same problem: figures get
reshaped and do not keep their width x height ratio.

Thanks


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Hi :)
Oops.  I'm not easily confused but isn't this confusing?  E, what was the 
question again?  I mean the unanswered one not the one you solved without our 
'help'
Regards from
Tom :)
 I use frames to arrange figures on a page.  Each frame is anchored 
as a character in its own separate paragraph. I also set the alignment 
in the frame to Center. The figure is anchored as a character. This 
permits me to place two figures into the frame and have the figures 
centered.
When creating the frame, make sure it is larger than the figure or 
figures that it will contain. If it is one figure, right click the 
figure and select Position and Size to see what its dimensions are. Then 
right click the border of the frame and select Position and Size. If 
necessary, adjust the size of the frame to match the size of the frame 
or frames.
 I have a paragraph style which has Center as its alignment. This 
places the figure in the center horizontally.


--Dan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-09-25 Thread Doug

On 09/25/2012 11:51 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:

My guess the group that complains the most about switching because of
macros would be the second group

Objection.

The point is that those people who actually use office software in
companies have absolutely no influence on what they work with. It's the
manangsters and administrictators who (pretend to) decide about this.


because they only know a few languages at most (VBA and what they
languages they learned as an undergraduate)

I don't know any scientist or engineer who has ever learned Visual
Basic at university. And I know only *very* few who have *ever* learned
it at all.


and do not want to learn another since their primary function is not
programming.

A lot of scientists and engineers, if they use any scripting/programming
languages for software automation etc. tend to prefer languages that
provide an interactive commandline interpreter, besides other criteria
that VBA doesn't fulfil. A lot of those I know have learned Python as
their genuine bread and butter scripting  programming language. Some
even learn it as a first language at university these days.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang


As an engineer, now retired, I used BASIC for many years, then took
a class in Pascal and wrote some code in Pascal.  You are correct--
all I wanted, in almost all cases, was command-line input and screen
or print (or both) output.  I first wrote BASIC on a teletype machine
connected by acoustic modem to a mainframe somewhere in Texas.
Eventually I went to work for an outfit that had an HP desktop--
a great big machine about 3 feet high that saved files on cassette
tape, and used HP-BASIC, which was a bit more powerful than the
standard.  Finally there was a company that had a CPM machine,
and I could do standard BASIC in house.  That's also where I first
wrote Pascal.  It wasn't Borland, it was somebody else's, I don't
remember the name. When PCs became affordable, Borland's
Pascal came out, and it was nice, especially at first, before they
complicated it!  The nearest thing I ever got to graphics was a
batch of xxx pr *** marks printed on a sheet of paper!  Crude
graphics indeed, but you could see the general shape of a filter
characteristic.

I never wanted to learn Visual Basic or the Pascal equivalent--I forget
what it was called. I was too busy doing engineering, and the tool
that I had was sufficient at the time. That's not to say that I didn't use
commercial graphical programs when they came out.  I made a
great deal of use of them, but I also realized that a whole lot of
hours and a lot of abstruse math went into them, and that's not
what I was there to do.  EEsof's Touchstone and the AutoCAD
programs saved a tremendous amount of time and breadboarding,
and I'm sure they paid for themselves, even at their exorbitant
prices.

--doug


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to arrange figures on page (table?)

2012-09-25 Thread Dan Lewis

On 09/25/2012 10:23 AM, Agustin Lobo wrote:

I apologize again. This is my original question:

I normally use tables to arrange figures within a page (i.e., a 2col x
1 row for 2 figures) The problem is that normally figures get reshaped
(and distorted) to fit the cell, while what I would like is to get the
cell shape to fit the figure. How can I do it?
Also, is there a better way to arrange figures in a page?
I've tried using columns, but I have the same problem: figures get
reshaped and do not keep their width x height ratio.

Thanks


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Hi :)
Oops.  I'm not easily confused but isn't this confusing?  E, what was the 
question again?  I mean the unanswered one not the one you solved without our 
'help'
Regards from
Tom :)
 My previous reply may have an error in it: the part about Position 
and Size. If a figure is a drawing of some type, you need to know its 
dimensions. Then you can select the size of the frame to match its size. 
If the figure is a graphics file, you can insert it into the frame. Then 
right click it. Select Picture from the context menu. When the Picture 
dialog opens, click the Original Size button. The the Height and Width 
boxes reveals what the original size is. Then change the size of the 
frame to match.


--Dan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-09-25 Thread Jay Lozier
On 09/25/2012 11:51 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
 My guess the group that complains the most about switching because of
 macros would be the second group 
 Objection.

 The point is that those people who actually use office software in
 companies have absolutely no influence on what they work with. It's the
 manangsters and administrictators who (pretend to) decide about this.

 because they only know a few languages at most (VBA and what they
 languages they learned as an undergraduate) 
 I don't know any scientist or engineer who has ever learned Visual
 Basic at university. And I know only *very* few who have *ever* learned
 it at all.

 and do not want to learn another since their primary function is not
 programming.
 A lot of scientists and engineers, if they use any scripting/programming
 languages for software automation etc. tend to prefer languages that
 provide an interactive commandline interpreter, besides other criteria
 that VBA doesn't fulfil. A lot of those I know have learned Python as
 their genuine bread and butter scripting  programming language. Some
 even learn it as a first language at university these days.

 Sincerely,

 Wolfgang

Wolfgang

What language one first learns is often determined by what is used in
the Introduction to Programming courses and of course when you took
the course. I know a few colleges used VB for their introductory course
in the States. I know of Canadian university that uses Python.  What
type of programming you do determines the language you tend use and find
in your work place.

Whether one learned VB depends on ones situation and needs. I have done
some VBA programming because where I worked need some automation of
spreadsheet calculations for Excel spreadsheets. We did light process
design and project management in the office I was at.

My intro to programming was originally in Fortran IV (aka Fortrash) and
later Pascal.

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jsloz...@gmail.com


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