[libreoffice-users] Re: Base: Automatically Open a Form?
Le 06/09/13 23:49, Tod Hopkins a écrit : Hi Tod, I am looking for a method to automatically opening default form when opening a Base file. Any ideas? There is/was an extension that provided a similar, if not identical button press entry/menu page - can't remember what it was called now, or whether it works with current versions of LibreOffice. After a quick Google, I think this was it : http://extensions.openoffice.org/fr/project/openofficeorg-base-switchboard Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Base: How to Duplicate a Record
Le 06/09/13 23:46, T Hopkins a écrit : Hi Tod, I cannot find a method for duplicating a single record or row in a Base table or form. I want to create new records that contain data from an existing record. Any suggestions? Look up clone / copy a record in Base in the openoffice.org user forums: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39t=51613 Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base: How to Duplicate a Record
Following method works pretty good for me: - open your form; - use the filter (one of the icons on the bottom right of the form window) to select the existing record to duplicate (or to select a small set of records including the intended one); - activate an additional table view (one of the icons on the bottom right of the form window): the selected record(s) appear(s) on top of your form; - simply select the row you want to duplicate (click the green arrow left of the row) and drag it to the bottom of the additional table view (the bottom of this table view contains an empty row marked with the yellow star icon Insert a new record). NB: opening the additional table view without selecting records, and trying to duplicate directly last row of the table does not work, presumably because of to many records. After selection of records, it works every time for me. I don't know if there is a maximum number of records to allow in the selection. Hope this helps, Paul Le 7/09/2013 9:09, Alexander Thurgood a écrit : Le 06/09/13 23:46, T Hopkins a écrit : Hi Tod, I cannot find a method for duplicating a single record or row in a Base table or form. I want to create new records that contain data from an existing record. Any suggestions? Look up clone / copy a record in Base in the openoffice.org user forums: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39t=51613 Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation
Ken, I'm about as anal as they come when it comes to fonts, and I've never really noticed much difference among the ones I use when it comes to white space around punctuation. I'll have to give them a closer look. As to legal papers, many lawyers do use full justification in their legal briefs, but I never do. I don't know of any court rules that actually require full justification in court papers, so it is usually a matter of personal taste. I've always lived by the rule that justification looks more professional on first glance, but left aligned text increases comprehension. Usually, justified text is generated by adding extra white space in between words, resulting in inconsistent word spacing from line to line. Sometimes it will result in distracting rivers of white space down the page. And, when justification widens word spacing, it only exacerbates the width of two spaces between sentences. LyX is a great program and it produces excellent results, especially with fonts having expert features such as old style numbering and true small caps. I've often used it myself, but I've found it works best when one accepts the LyX/LaTeX default settings. Changing the defaults can be somewhat challenging. Despite what I said above about justification, LyX/LaTeX does it extremely well, especially if you use the Microtype package. It makes microscopic adjustments not only between words, but *within* letters themselves to keep word spacing relatively consistent while reducing the need for hyphenated line endings. The result is stunning. But, for normal business or legal work, I find LyX much too cumbersome for my needs. I much prefer LO in this setting. Virgil -Original Message- From: Ken Springer Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 9:36 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation On 9/6/13 6:56 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 09/06/2013 05:20 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/5/13 9:23 AM, T. R. Valentine wrote: As a follow-up to our earlier discussion of one versus two spaces following a full point/full stop/period, I offer the following passage from /About Face: Reviving the Rules of Typography/ by David Jury (typos mine): snip sigh With the different ways people reply to this group, this discussion is all over the place when using gmane and a newsreader. :-( I think I've got all of these messages read, and it seems to me everyone has overlooked one thing, the font itself. What did the designer do with the individual characters and punctuation marks and whatever else may be in the font regarding white space in the glyph itself? It seems logical to me that's going to make a difference in whether the spacing after a period, for example, should be 1, 1.5, or 2 spaces. And maybe, you'll just have to do some manual kerning. Or... Am I missing something? Ken, I don't think you're missing anything, but most of us aren't using LO to prepare the *final* version of a document for professional publication (i.e., books, magazines, etc.). I would truly hope that a publishing house would do more than just take a word processing document and print it out in book format. (In fact, many professional writers use nothing more than Notepad, saying their publishers strip all user-inserted formatting anyway). So, if there's any manual kerning to be done, I would expect that to be done on a level far above LO. When I argue for one space instead of two, I'm thinking in terms of business letters, memos, legal briefs (I'm a lawyer) or scholastic papers (I also teach at our local university). These are the types of documents I prepare with LO, and when preparing them, I want to follow professional typographic standards as much as I can. Ergo, one space. But, manual kerning goes beyond what I think should be expected of anyone on this level of document preparation. Virgil, I understand wanting to follow best shop practices for printing. Which is why I'm just starting out on giving LyX a run for some things I want to write. But, even being that anal (LOL), it doesn't answer my questions about the design of the font itself, and the effect of the design, regardless of who does the final setup of the document. I kinda stayed out of the one space or two discussion, but if you look at this post, which has both your style (one space) and mine (two spaces), when it's a monospace font as I see this post I find the single space more difficult to read. Not terribly, but harder. :-) If if the font is proportional, I generally stumble at the beginning when reading a document of some kind that has single spaces at the end of the sentence until the brain adjusts. Too often, my brain interprets a single spacing at the end of a sentence as just one long, very long, run on sentence. :-) When I get the time, and have a reason to use LO again, I'm going to go into the autocorrect function and see if I can follow my own suggestion in another
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation
Bruce Byfield wrote: I know of several publishers who work directly from ODF files. With a couple of exceptions, Writer has most of the tools needed for a thoroughly professional design job, allegedly because when the original code was being written in the days of Star Division, they were told they would have to use what they wrote for documentation. The trick is to know what options to use, and which to ignore (topics that, if you forgive the shameless plug, I am currently grappling with the book I am writing with Jean Hollis Weber). For now, I'll just say that Writer is not a word processor so much as an intermediate desktop publishing program. You can actually substitute it very successfully for proprietary tools like FrameMaker. No doubt, many publishers are simply publishing the files sent to them that are created by word processors. And, sadly, the results are often quite apparent. I'm reading more and more books that are set without true small caps or old style numbering. Writers and publishers simply accept the faux small caps generated by their word processors by shrinking regular upper case letters complete with the corresponding weakening of the lines that come from the shrinking. Now, perhaps these are the options that you and Weber would recommend avoiding. (I look forward to hearing more about your book.) However, for me at least, LO's biggest limitation that disqualifies it for final publishable work is its justification method. It's line-by-line justification results in too many word space variations from line to line and too many hyphenated lines. As an experiment, just prepare the same document using LO and LaTeX (with the Microtype package). The difference in the justified lines will be quite obvious. To me, LO Writer is a business class word processor, and perhaps the best there is, but until it finds a more complete justification method, I don't think I qualifies for creating publishable output. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Do you have information for this error
Hi :) Thanks but is it possible to add a path to the Japanese Extension? or to move the Japanese Extension to the right place? The suggestion of re-naming the User Profile would get rid of all the Extensions, configurations and settings which is likely to fix the immediate problem but i don't think it's what the original poster probably wanted. I am trying to get this question back onto the Users Mailing List because it didn't belong on the Documentation List. Sorry for taking up your time on this and thanks for the answer, hopefully the Users List can carry on with this and deal with the side-issues. Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Robert Großkopf rob...@familiegrosskopf.de To: documentat...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013, 21:21 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Do you have information for this error Hi, Hi :) I was given a copy of the error message off-list so i'm just putting it into Nabble now 39-1.png http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4073321/39-1.png Seems, that Wim installed an extension for japanese, which isn't in the path. Could you open LO and search for the extension? Could you delete the extension? If this doesn't work: Rename /home/spideywestland/.config/libreoffice/4 to /home/spideywestland/.config/libreoffice/4old It would work, but all your personal informations have been gone and must be imported from the renamed path. Regards Robert -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Fedena 2.3.4 is Now Available
Fedena 2.3.4 is here. Checkout the new features of Fedena and get the best functionality for your School ERP. http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=9741a731a31bffd755fca6b52id=9ef14c2711e=b09780a3bc http://www.fedena.com/?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/fedena-234-is-now-available-for-pro.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** It's been 4 years since the release of Fedena's first beta version, we are happy to announce the release of Fedena 2.3.4 (http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/fedena-234-is-now-available-for-pro.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) . It's been an exciting journey and a rewarding one for our early adopters existing customers. Read more about our journey on Fedena's History page. (http://www.fedena.com/history?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) http://blog.fedena.com/2013/09/extend-functionalities-of-fedena-with.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** The all new Fedena API The new API system for Fedena (http://blog.fedena.com/2013/09/extend-functionalities-of-fedena-with.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) offers multiple methods of integrating and extending functionality. Use the API to easily manage students teachers, create seamless integration with other software. The API comes up with an SSO for enhanced security. http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/fedena-plugin-student-tracking-using.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** Biometric RFID Integration Fedena provides a powerful API to configure the attendance with external devices. With Fedena's Biometric/RFID integration plugin (http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/fedena-plugin-student-tracking-using.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) now ready for use, you can integrate a biometric attendance system or RFID student tracking system in your school. http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/7-interesting-reports-that-you-can.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** 7 Interesting Reports 7 most interesting reports that you can generate using Fedena, Find out! (http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/7-interesting-reports-that-you-can.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) http://blog.fedena.com/2013/09/a-step-by-step-guide-on-how-to-create.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** Custom Reports How to create custom reports using our Custom Report Plugin (http://blog.fedena.com/2013/09/a-step-by-step-guide-on-how-to-create.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/user-management-privileges-how-it-works.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** User Privileges Learn how user management privileges (http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/user-management-privileges-how-it-works.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) work in Fedena. Copyright © 2013 Foradian Technologies Pvt Ltd, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email becuase you have shown your interest to know more about Fedena at www.fedena.com Our mailing address is: Foradian Technologies Pvt Ltd #2733, 1st Sector, 27th Main, 16th Cross HSR Layout Bangalore 560102 ** follow on Twitter (https://twitter.com/fedenapro) ** (https://twitter.com/fedenapro) ** friend on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/FedenaPro) ** | (https://www.facebook.com/FedenaPro) ** forward to a friend (http://us5.forward-to-friend.com/forward?u=9741a731a31bffd755fca6b52id=9ef14c2711e=b09780a3bc) ** unsubscribe from this list (http://fedena.us5.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=9741a731a31bffd755fca6b52id=16cfcb840ce=b09780a3bcc=9ef14c2711) ** update subscription preferences (http://fedena.us5.list-manage1.com/profile?u=9741a731a31bffd755fca6b52id=16cfcb840ce=b09780a3bc) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation
Hi :) +1 On the rare occasion i have glanced through newspapers in the last few years i have noticed really bad kerning between words on different lines. I doubt LaTeX is really perfect either although it probably is a shed load better than Writer/Word. Getting the spacing right between words on different lines without leaving the end all raggedy takes craftsmanship (craftswomanship) and is more of an art than a science. Computers will never really understand the way human beans see things. They can only approximate. (If only you could see what your eyes have seen Bladerunner replicant to the chap that manufactured his eyeballs) The people who compare Writer to LaTeX seldom mention how well Word compares. People reading some of these posts, or quoting them in articles, might be under a false impression. The very fact that people are annoyed that Writer is not a perfect Desktop Publishing shows how much closer it is than Word. Word makes a complete mess of documents. If you tried listing the various nasty messes Word makes in an average document then it could take a looong time. That's why they have Publisher. Having used Publisher a fair bit, and Word and now Writer but not LaTeX i think output quality starts with Word as being the worst on the left Word . Publisher Writer ... LaTeX although maybe the gap between LaTeX and Writer is even closer than that? There might be some things Publisher does better and maybe i have only ever seen it being mis-handled but so far everything i have seen produced by people experienced (but not necessarily good with it) with Publisher has been done a lot better by a noob with Writer. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 13:39 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation Bruce Byfield wrote: I know of several publishers who work directly from ODF files. With a couple of exceptions, Writer has most of the tools needed for a thoroughly professional design job, allegedly because when the original code was being written in the days of Star Division, they were told they would have to use what they wrote for documentation. The trick is to know what options to use, and which to ignore (topics that, if you forgive the shameless plug, I am currently grappling with the book I am writing with Jean Hollis Weber). For now, I'll just say that Writer is not a word processor so much as an intermediate desktop publishing program. You can actually substitute it very successfully for proprietary tools like FrameMaker. No doubt, many publishers are simply publishing the files sent to them that are created by word processors. And, sadly, the results are often quite apparent. I'm reading more and more books that are set without true small caps or old style numbering. Writers and publishers simply accept the faux small caps generated by their word processors by shrinking regular upper case letters complete with the corresponding weakening of the lines that come from the shrinking. Now, perhaps these are the options that you and Weber would recommend avoiding. (I look forward to hearing more about your book.) However, for me at least, LO's biggest limitation that disqualifies it for final publishable work is its justification method. It's line-by-line justification results in too many word space variations from line to line and too many hyphenated lines. As an experiment, just prepare the same document using LO and LaTeX (with the Microtype package). The difference in the justified lines will be quite obvious. To me, LO Writer is a business class word processor, and perhaps the best there is, but until it finds a more complete justification method, I don't think I qualifies for creating publishable output. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Fedena 2.3.4 is Now Available
Hi :) I would not normally have redirected this one from the moderators filtering. Normally i would have let it go straight through to the spam dump. It is just another distro, like Ubuntu, SuSE, Redhat, Fedora, Mageia and the rest. The main twist in this ones case is that it focusses on schools and includes good tools to help people manage educational establishments as well as having useful and interesting things for school-kids. Unlike Edubuntu this one appears to have started in India although it also seems to be available in English. Note that i don't think this has anything to do with the One Laptop Per Child project http://one.laptop.org/ http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads So, if you like distro hopping then you might like to have a play around with 1 or other distro. If you haven't done any distro hopping before then i tend to prefer setting up a spare new partition rather than using a Virtual Machine. Other people swear by VMs [shrugs]. Either way has advantages. Regards from Tom :) From: Fedena i...@fedena.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 13:39 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Fedena 2.3.4 is Now Available Fedena 2.3.4 is here. Checkout the new features of Fedena and get the best functionality for your School ERP. http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=9741a731a31bffd755fca6b52id=9ef14c2711e=b09780a3bc http://www.fedena.com/?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/fedena-234-is-now-available-for-pro.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** It's been 4 years since the release of Fedena's first beta version, we are happy to announce the release of Fedena 2.3.4 (http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/fedena-234-is-now-available-for-pro.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) . It's been an exciting journey and a rewarding one for our early adopters existing customers. Read more about our journey on Fedena's History page. (http://www.fedena.com/history?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) http://blog.fedena.com/2013/09/extend-functionalities-of-fedena-with.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** The all new Fedena API The new API system for Fedena (http://blog.fedena.com/2013/09/extend-functionalities-of-fedena-with.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) offers multiple methods of integrating and extending functionality. Use the API to easily manage students teachers, create seamless integration with other software. The API comes up with an SSO for enhanced security. http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/fedena-plugin-student-tracking-using.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** Biometric RFID Integration Fedena provides a powerful API to configure the attendance with external devices. With Fedena's Biometric/RFID integration plugin (http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/fedena-plugin-student-tracking-using.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) now ready for use, you can integrate a biometric attendance system or RFID student tracking system in your school. http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/7-interesting-reports-that-you-can.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** 7 Interesting Reports 7 most interesting reports that you can generate using Fedena, Find out! (http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/7-interesting-reports-that-you-can.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) http://blog.fedena.com/2013/09/a-step-by-step-guide-on-how-to-create.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** Custom Reports How to create custom reports using our Custom Report Plugin (http://blog.fedena.com/2013/09/a-step-by-step-guide-on-how-to-create.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep) http://blog.fedena.com/2013/08/user-management-privileges-how-it-works.html?utm_source=newsletter+Seputm_medium=newsletterutm_campaign=newsletter+Sep ** User Privileges Learn how user management privileges
[libreoffice-users] Table Breaks in Writer
Good afternoon, after 2-3 hours today, no idea how many hours on other days on the following problem, so I have decided to contact you to find the solution. Problem, I use writer and have a 2 page document that holds a table on each page. As time passes the size of the table on page one changes so that rows end up in page two. When this happens I do a table split and everything is fine. The problem arises when I attempt to remove the gap/break between the tables, this occurs when I need to join the tables on page two. The same problem albeit on page one occurs when I reduce the rows in the table on page one, the break rises from page two, so that I end up with a gap between two tables on the bottom of page one. The table merge is greyed out, no other action works so I have to close the document, open the document in microsoft and all I do is, place the cursor in the gap and hit cut, gap gone and the two tables are now joined, on either page. How can I manage this in Libreoffice as it is embarrassing to have to close one software program and open another for such a simple task when other people are observing as it indicates a) I don't know what I am doing or b) libreoffice has a software issue. Your assistance would be appreciated in providing a solution, please Regards Robert -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Table Breaks in Writer
Hi :) This is a public mailing list so it's a bit informal. Hopefully several people will help steer this to arrive at a right answer that suits you. We might have to ask a few 'dumb' questions to try to clarify things along the way. Feel free to do the same. 1. Have you considered using Calc instead? If there is stuff outside of the tables then it might be easier to use Calc and then have text-boxes or merge cells to contain the normal text. 2. I take it the size of the table on page 1 grows as stuff is entered into the table? Is that data re-typed in from a printed source? if so it might be possible to get Base (database program) to read that source directly and produce a more dynamic report. Keeping it in Writer might be best for now though. I found that i had to delete all the newlines between the 2 tables, so that it looked like they were joined even though they weren't really. Then the merge tables options un-greyed out and that let me really join the table together. In my case i had a different number of columns in each table but that didn't seem to worry it at all. Then Table - Select - table selected all of both tables. It might help to toggle the back-to-front P in the toolbar so that you can see all the non-printing characters so that you can see the newline characters that appear when you press Enter. That makes it easier to see what is going on and makes it easier to delete the right things. The best documentation (imo) is here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications There are also video tutorials for this and other OpenSource programs at http://spoken-tutorial.org/ The quality of the English in the ones i watched was better than that spoken in most places around where i live. There are other guides and Faqs that might also prove useful and there is always the in-built help too (F1 or the Help menu) Please feel free to write in to the list as soon as a problem arises even before you have had a look around for yourself. Hopefully you might find the answer before we do (by googling it or through documentation or something) and if you do please let the list know the crucial bit of the answer. Don't worry about switching programs to get the odd one or few things done. During a migration from one program to another it is quite normal to fully understand the old way and not yet be fully familiar with the new one. As time goes on you find less and less need to go back to the old program and may even find yourself batching up a few jobs for final tweaks in the old program. Most of us have both LO and MS Office on our systems. Often it's just to help out colleagues with their problems when they don't know how to do something in MSO, or to check how things look. Usually it's an old version. Sometimes employers like to buy the newest thing even though we don't really use it. After using LO for even a little while you will probably find that you gain a MUCH deeper understanding of how MSO works and your colleagues will seek your guidance. So, don't worry about them ridiculing you right now, to quote Gandhi First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. MS Office doesn't usually allow people to have 2 versions of their Office Suite on the same machine. A normal install will typically wipe out the previous version. So when they try to upgrade to MSO 2013 they will be really stuck with tons of things they don't know how to do and no way of going back to the old version to get them done there. Typically they will need to go off on training courses and all sorts costing either than or the company a lot of money just in order to do what they could do on the older versions. MSO prefers to make people spend money and make life difficult rather than give them an easy migration route. So, feel free to ask and if you find the answer first then just let us know! Regards from Tom :) From: Robert Burnett r...@artl.org.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 16:25 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Table Breaks in Writer Good afternoon, after 2-3 hours today, no idea how many hours on other days on the following problem, so I have decided to contact you to find the solution. Problem, I use writer and have a 2 page document that holds a table on each page. As time passes the size of the table on page one changes so that rows end up in page two. When this happens I do a table split and everything is fine. The problem arises when I attempt to remove the gap/break between the tables, this occurs when I need to join the tables on page two. The same problem albeit on page one occurs when I reduce the rows in the table on page one, the break rises from page two, so that I end up with a gap between two tables on the bottom of page one. The table merge is greyed out, no other action
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation
On Friday 06 September 2013 10:47:49 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 20:18:34 -0700 Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net dijo: For now, I'll just say that Writer is not a word processor so much as an intermediate desktop publishing program. You can actually substitute it very successfully for proprietary tools like FrameMaker. That is correct, but bear in mind that FrameMaker, like Writer or TeX, is not a page layout application like Scribus, InDesign, QuarkXPress or PageMaker, inter alia. FrameMaker is (or used to be) an industry-standard for producing printed material, such as technical manuals. It's a specialized tool, designed to produce text-oriented documents. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation
On Saturday 07 September 2013 05:39:41 AM Virgil Arrington wrote: No doubt, many publishers are simply publishing the files sent to them that are created by word processors. L No, they're not, actually. You don't find publishers using MS Word files, which are simply not up to the job. I'm reading more and more books that are set without true small caps or old style numbering. Writers and publishers simply accept the faux small caps generated by their word processors by shrinking regular upper case letters complete with the corresponding weakening of the lines that come from the shrinking. I think the avoidance of true small caps and old style numbering has more to do with the practice of font creators, most of whom omit these features. However, for me at least, LO's biggest limitation that disqualifies it for final publishable work is its justification method. It's line-by-line justification results in too many word space variations from line to line and too many hyphenated lines. As an experiment, just prepare the same document using LO and LaTeX (with the Microtype package). The difference in the justified lines will be quite obvious. Any on-the-fly justification is going to be rough. Do you run Tools Language Hyphenation when doing finishing a document? I find that does a lot to improve any alignment, even ragged right. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] oops! Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Fedena 2.3.4 is Now Available
Hi :) Fedena is apparently not free and it's not a distro! I'm not sure why i thought it was! It is a Management Information System, for schools, so it's more like a suite of modules inside a program or a suite of programs. There is an Open Source core of programs/modules but then you would probably find you need some of the Premium programs/modules. Signing up for their demo seems to involve a lot of details i might consider phishing so i would NOT go for it without exploring it in more detail. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Fred James fredj...@fredjame.cnc.net To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 18:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Fedena 2.3.4 is Now Available Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I would not normally have redirected this one from the moderators filtering. Normally i would have let it go straight through to the spam dump. It is just another distro, like Ubuntu, SuSE, Redhat, Fedora, Mageia and the rest. The main twist in this ones case is that it focusses on schools and includes good tools to help people manage educational establishments as well as having useful and interesting things for school-kids. Unlike Edubuntu this one appears to have started in India although it also seems to be available in English. Note that i don't think this has anything to do with the One Laptop Per Child project http://one.laptop.org/ http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads So, if you like distro hopping then you might like to have a play around with 1 or other distro. If you haven't done any distro hopping before then i tend to prefer setting up a spare new partition rather than using a Virtual Machine. Other people swear by VMs [shrugs]. Either way has advantages. Regards from Tom :) From: Fedena i...@fedena.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 13:39 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Fedena 2.3.4 is Now Available (omissions for brevity) Are you sure Fedena is a Linux distro ... I visited their site and they look like if you have a browser, you can use their product on their computers (cloud, they said), for a fee? Regards Fred James -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: oops! Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Fedena 2.3.4 is Now Available
Hi :) Fred has been looking into it a bit more but we still haven't worked out if it really is bad. It's still looking like a good product but it is more comparable with these; http://open-school.org/ http://akuraschools.org/ http://centresis.org/ I think Moodle is something a bit different, a Course Management System that might be part of one of the Suites or might replace hefty chunks of it. https://moodle.org/ I think Moodle has another OpenSource competitor too but i can't quite remember that far back and only vaguely remembered moodle because it's fun to say. It turns out my old 6th Form College is one of the places now using Moodle. Regards from Tom :) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Fred James fredj...@fredjame.cnc.net; Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 19:10 Subject: oops! Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Fedena 2.3.4 is Now Available Hi :) Fedena is apparently not free and it's not a distro! I'm not sure why i thought it was! It is a Management Information System, for schools, so it's more like a suite of modules inside a program or a suite of programs. There is an Open Source core of programs/modules but then you would probably find you need some of the Premium programs/modules. Signing up for their demo seems to involve a lot of details i might consider phishing so i would NOT go for it without exploring it in more detail. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Fred James fredj...@fredjame.cnc.net To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 18:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Fedena 2.3.4 is Now Available Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I would not normally have redirected this one from the moderators filtering. Normally i would have let it go straight through to the spam dump. It is just another distro, like Ubuntu, SuSE, Redhat, Fedora, Mageia and the rest. The main twist in this ones case is that it focusses on schools and includes good tools to help people manage educational establishments as well as having useful and interesting things for school-kids. Unlike Edubuntu this one appears to have started in India although it also seems to be available in English. Note that i don't think this has anything to do with the One Laptop Per Child project http://one.laptop.org/ http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads So, if you like distro hopping then you might like to have a play around with 1 or other distro. If you haven't done any distro hopping before then i tend to prefer setting up a spare new partition rather than using a Virtual Machine. Other people swear by VMs [shrugs]. Either way has advantages. Regards from Tom :) From: Fedena i...@fedena.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 13:39 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Fedena 2.3.4 is Now Available (omissions for brevity) Are you sure Fedena is a Linux distro ... I visited their site and they look like if you have a browser, you can use their product on their computers (cloud, they said), for a fee? Regards Fred James -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation
On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 10:55:55 -0700 Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net dijo: On Friday 06 September 2013 10:47:49 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 20:18:34 -0700 Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net dijo: For now, I'll just say that Writer is not a word processor so much as an intermediate desktop publishing program. You can actually substitute it very successfully for proprietary tools like FrameMaker. That is correct, but bear in mind that FrameMaker, like Writer or TeX, is not a page layout application like Scribus, InDesign, QuarkXPress or PageMaker, inter alia. FrameMaker is (or used to be) an industry-standard for producing printed material, such as technical manuals. It's a specialized tool, designed to produce text-oriented documents. Again, you are correct, but missed the point I was trying to make. Perhaps I should state it more clearly. In Writer, FrameMaker and the TeX family, a document consists of a continuous stream of text. If you insert additional text at the beginning, all the text moves down, including the creation of new pages at the end if necessary. The other applications I mentioned are page layout applications. In a page layout application each page is a container. Everything that goes on a page goes into a graphics or a text frame. The frames never automatically move, regardless of how much stuff you add stuff to them. For text to flow from one page to the next there must be successive frames on the pages and the frames must be linked. You can drag frames around, create new ones, change the size and shape, but a frame always stays precisely where you put it on a page. You can link text frames that are pages apart - think of a magazine where a story begins toward the front of the magazine, runs for a couple of pages, and then you see continued on page x. If you're doing a document that is essentially just text - a novel, dissertation, academic paper, etc. - then the continuous text type of application will probably work best. If you're doing something that is design intensive - a newsletter, brochure, flier, advertising piece - then the page layout application will make life much easier. The two kinds of applications have fundamentally different approaches, and that is the point I was trying to make. And I should add that FrameMaker, of all the applications mentioned is, in some respects, kind of a hybrid. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base: How to Duplicate a Record
To Alex: How does that apply to Libre Office, or does it still? On 9/7/2013 12:09 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 06/09/13 23:46, T Hopkins a écrit : Hi Tod, I cannot find a method for duplicating a single record or row in a Base table or form. I want to create new records that contain data from an existing record. Any suggestions? Look up clone / copy a record in Base in the openoffice.org user forums: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39t=51613 Alex -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Mail Merge on Linux: Save files with a field as part of the name
Hi, On Linux, I would like to do a mail merge and save the documents using one of the fields as part of the name. From this link: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/13555/mail-merge-to-separate- documents-with-file-names-based-on-merge-fields/ It seems like I should have an option to use a field in the name of the file, but I don't see that option in the wizard. I tried using the native and the LibreOffice file dialogs and I don't see that option either. So my question is: Is this possible on Linux or not? I am using 4.1.1.2. Thanks, L -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Table Breaks in Writer
And trying now I had to delete the lines between and couldn't backspace the line. Then I could merge tables. Always wondered how to do that. Steve On 2013-09-08 05:48, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This is a public mailing list so it's a bit informal. Hopefully several people will help steer this to arrive at a right answer that suits you. We might have to ask a few 'dumb' questions to try to clarify things along the way. Feel free to do the same. 1. Have you considered using Calc instead? If there is stuff outside of the tables then it might be easier to use Calc and then have text-boxes or merge cells to contain the normal text. 2. I take it the size of the table on page 1 grows as stuff is entered into the table? Is that data re-typed in from a printed source? if so it might be possible to get Base (database program) to read that source directly and produce a more dynamic report. Keeping it in Writer might be best for now though. I found that i had to delete all the newlines between the 2 tables, so that it looked like they were joined even though they weren't really. Then the merge tables options un-greyed out and that let me really join the table together. In my case i had a different number of columns in each table but that didn't seem to worry it at all. Then Table - Select - table selected all of both tables. It might help to toggle the back-to-front P in the toolbar so that you can see all the non-printing characters so that you can see the newline characters that appear when you press Enter. That makes it easier to see what is going on and makes it easier to delete the right things. The best documentation (imo) is here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications There are also video tutorials for this and other OpenSource programs at http://spoken-tutorial.org/ The quality of the English in the ones i watched was better than that spoken in most places around where i live. There are other guides and Faqs that might also prove useful and there is always the in-built help too (F1 or the Help menu) Please feel free to write in to the list as soon as a problem arises even before you have had a look around for yourself. Hopefully you might find the answer before we do (by googling it or through documentation or something) and if you do please let the list know the crucial bit of the answer. Don't worry about switching programs to get the odd one or few things done. During a migration from one program to another it is quite normal to fully understand the old way and not yet be fully familiar with the new one. As time goes on you find less and less need to go back to the old program and may even find yourself batching up a few jobs for final tweaks in the old program. Most of us have both LO and MS Office on our systems. Often it's just to help out colleagues with their problems when they don't know how to do something in MSO, or to check how things look. Usually it's an old version. Sometimes employers like to buy the newest thing even though we don't really use it. After using LO for even a little while you will probably find that you gain a MUCH deeper understanding of how MSO works and your colleagues will seek your guidance. So, don't worry about them ridiculing you right now, to quote Gandhi First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. MS Office doesn't usually allow people to have 2 versions of their Office Suite on the same machine. A normal install will typically wipe out the previous version. So when they try to upgrade to MSO 2013 they will be really stuck with tons of things they don't know how to do and no way of going back to the old version to get them done there. Typically they will need to go off on training courses and all sorts costing either than or the company a lot of money just in order to do what they could do on the older versions. MSO prefers to make people spend money and make life difficult rather than give them an easy migration route. So, feel free to ask and if you find the answer first then just let us know! Regards from Tom :) From: Robert Burnett r...@artl.org.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 16:25 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Table Breaks in Writer Good afternoon, after 2-3 hours today, no idea how many hours on other days on the following problem, so I have decided to contact you to find the solution. Problem, I use writer and have a 2 page document that holds a table on each page. As time passes the size of the table on page one changes so that rows end up in page two. When this happens I do a table split and everything is fine. The problem arises when I attempt to remove the gap/break between the tables, this occurs when I need to join the tables on page two. The same problem albeit on page one occurs when I reduce the rows in the table on page
[libreoffice-users] Automatic Capitalization of First Word
I know I have done this before, but I can't remember now where I found the setting. I would like to disable the capitalization of the first word in a sentence or paragraph. I am not sure if I am subscribed to this list. I send an empty message to users+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org but I never received the confirmation mail. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
