Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - avoiding circular references

2013-10-23 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Dave,

Dave Kimble schrieb:

Ubuntu 13.04  LibreOffice  Calc 4.0.2.2
I'm a veteran Excel-er, but very new to Calc.
I've had to invent some syntax in the following question - hope you can
follow it.

In Excel, to set up a row of column headings (years say), you would do:
A1 = 1965 [Enter]
B1:AX1 = formula(=A1+1) [Control+Enter]

and B1 would become set to 1966, ... , AX1 would become set to 2013.
What is the equivalent syntax in Calc?


You need to mark the range B1:AX1 in a way, that B1 is your active cell. 
You can do it by dragging back from AX1 to B1, or while B1 is active 
write the range B1:AX1 into the name field (leftmost from the input 
line) and hit Enter.
Then click into the input line and write  =A1+1 and finalize input with 
ALT+Enter.


For small ranges I use the simple drag copying that was already 
mentioned here. For large ranges, sometimes more than 1 rows, I use 
the way to mark a range via the name field.


Kind regards
Regina


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-23 Thread Alex Thurgood
On 22/10/2013 12:47, S o H o N Y C wrote:

Hi,


 
   my copy of  LibreOffice 4.1.2 keeps crashing as soon as I start editing a 
 text document. It keeps asking for Java Runtime SE 6.0 even though it is 
 installed already. 
 
   Any ideas of a fix? maybe 4.1.3 RC1 can help? Thanks in advance for your 
 response
 


Currently, LO is released as a 32bit program on Mac OSX and consequently
requires a 32bit Java VM. Mountain Lion provides both 32bit and 64bit
versions of JVM, but I have no idea whether Maverick still continues to
provide that 32bit version of the Apple supplied JVM.

Additionally, there may simply be as yet undiscovered bugs in LO with
regard to Maverick. As far as I know, no one on the Mac dev team is
building LO on OSX Maverick (hardly surprising as it was only officially
released yesterday ?). It is possible to obtain test releases of LO for
the 64bit architecture, but these are considered works in progress. Look
for the OSX daily builds with the x86_64 tag, there used to be at least
one machine producing them.

My own-built 64bit developer builds seem to work mostly OK, but I
haven't made the switch to Maverick yet.


Alex




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Changing Base report boolean representation

2013-10-23 Thread Alex Thurgood
On 23/10/2013 03:59, Girvin Herr wrote:

Hi Girvin,


 Linux LO 3.6.7.2.
 I am working on my MySQL Base reports with Report Builder.  The default
 output of a boolean value is TRUE/FALSE.  Is there a way to change this
 to a check mark or X for TRUE and blank for FALSE?
 All the FALSEs clutter up my reports, making the TRUEs hard to see in
 the forest.  The forms use a check mark widget, which would be ideal.

A partial workaround, because I haven't found a way to insert unicode
characters into a number formatted field control :

In Report Edit Mode, bring up the Properties of the control you want to
change.

On the first tab General, set Formatting to Number - General.
On your Data tab :
Data Field Type : Field or Formula

Data Field : select your boolean field

When you now save and run the report, you will get '1' and '0' instead
of 'True' and 'False'


Alex




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[libreoffice-users] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Updating Whiteboard/Keyword Wiki - Need Input

2013-10-23 Thread bjoern
Hi Joel,

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 06:46:34PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote:
 I'm going to be updating the wiki for whiteboard and keyword to make
 it more legible. There has been talk about taking a minimilistic
 approach to the wiki, less formal, less rules (although we don't
 have rules, just guidelines), this vs. the comprehensive, answers
 any question someone might have approach. My question is, which is
 preferred? Should I strip the wiki to the minimum with very basic
 info or include the details needed where someone could technically
 use the wiki without additional input in a relatively cohesive way?

IMHO on the wiki, it only makes sense to have a 'staged description' of
whatever workflow. That is, have one description that covers the usual case
short and sweet and a second page/section with all the gory details. Both
should link to each other of course.
This is to:
- not scare away newcomers with too much detail
- allowing people to add details without bitrotting the short description into
  a long and winding one.

see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

Best,

Bjoern

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-23 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Actually it is probably better to just switch Java off.  Chances are that
you are not really using it anyway so you can avoid these sorts of issues
just by switching it off
Tools - Options - Advanced ?
and UNtick the box at the very top that asks if you want to use the broken
mess of Oracle coding that we lovingly call Java and that Homeland Security
have apparently warned companies to stop using.

If you really are using Java then you will just get an error message at
some point in the future at which point you just re-tick the box.  Not much
of a problem.

LibreOffice used to have quite a lot of Java in it's code but that has
almost entirely been written out or converted to Python or C++ which are a
LOT more stable and far less dependant on the whims of a single
profit-making company.

At some point Oracle will probably release a Professional or Enterprise
version of Java which will fix most of the problems that Java currently has
but it's not clear how much they would charge or what licensing they would
use.  So far they seem to have been following a good strategy for turning
something from being free into making it profitable although it'/s not
clear whether that was their intention or whether they really are
incompetent at producing secure coding.  (just my own opinion)

About 6 months - 1 year ago there was a report saying that only around 12%
of LibreOffice's code was still in java and most of that was in wizards
that almost no-one ever uses.  That 12% will probably have shrunk quite
drastically.  Java also sometimes gets used is when using Base with it's
internal back-end (which is possibly the worst way of using Base right
now).  Generally start with that but then swiftly move the data tables into
something like MySql (Oracle's again), MariaDB (doesn't work on Macs
apparently), Postgresql or one of the tiny fast back-ends fro smaller
databases.  There is work going on to switch to a more recent version of a
different database program for the internal back-end and that should be a
huge improvement.

The only other place Java gets used is a lot of the Accessibility stuff
such as screen-readers.  Sadly there is no way around that one :(  We are
hoping that a ton of coding gets pulled in from external sources to
massively improve accessibility.  There are people working on the
accessibility stuff so if you have Java for that they might be able to help
but their fixes might not be relevant for other users.
Regards from
Tom :)





On 23 October 2013 10:05, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 22/10/2013 12:47, S o H o N Y C wrote:

 Hi,


 
my copy of  LibreOffice 4.1.2 keeps crashing as soon as I start
 editing a text document. It keeps asking for Java Runtime SE 6.0 even
 though it is installed already.
 
Any ideas of a fix? maybe 4.1.3 RC1 can help? Thanks in advance for
 your response
 


 Currently, LO is released as a 32bit program on Mac OSX and consequently
 requires a 32bit Java VM. Mountain Lion provides both 32bit and 64bit
 versions of JVM, but I have no idea whether Maverick still continues to
 provide that 32bit version of the Apple supplied JVM.

 Additionally, there may simply be as yet undiscovered bugs in LO with
 regard to Maverick. As far as I know, no one on the Mac dev team is
 building LO on OSX Maverick (hardly surprising as it was only officially
 released yesterday ?). It is possible to obtain test releases of LO for
 the 64bit architecture, but these are considered works in progress. Look
 for the OSX daily builds with the x86_64 tag, there used to be at least
 one machine producing them.

 My own-built 64bit developer builds seem to work mostly OK, but I
 haven't made the switch to Maverick yet.


 Alex




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Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Modified Flag Set / No Changes

2013-10-23 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Sorry this doesn't answer the question either!  Hopefully someone else can
directly address your specific concerns.


The lab techs might not be aware that LibreOffice is OpenSource.  it's
fairly obvious imo but they just might not have had time to think about
it.  They might be more amenable to doing the updates, even mid-term, if
they hear it's OpenSource and that it's just an update from one stable
branch to another.

Any release after x.x.4 in any branch is stable branch although the x.x.0
- x.x.2 of the same branch is not.  It's a bit of a misleading term tbh but
it is commonly used in many projects and helps people understand what is
going on more quickly.  Sometimes precision is less valuable than clarity.
The x.x.0 - x.x.2 releases are more about adding new features and better
compatibility with whichever version of MS Office is currently more widely
used.  Sometimes that adds unexpected odd results but that is smoothed-out
by later releases in the same branch.

So the lab-techs probably don't want the headache of having to thoroughly
test newer versions of any software, especially mid-term, but if they have
confidence in the stability then they might be much happier about it.  That
is what the term stable branch aims to help with.

Most teams of lab techs have at least 1 person who really understands this
concept of stable branch versus exciting new features branch and
hopefully all of them know it or will quickly grasp the concept.  Most
OpenSource projects have some similar way of working.  Even with
proprietary software they are familiar with the idea that programs settle
down after Service Pack 1 or 2 have been added.

Regards from
Tom :)




On 22 October 2013 22:27, David Gast david.g...@csulb.edu wrote:

 Thanks to all who replied.  Perhaps I was not clear.  I am trying to find
 out why the Modified Flag
 would be set if I have made no changes.  What objects can LibreOffice Calc
 *silently* modify when starting
 up that would cause the modified flag to be set?

 While I can copy the files to a computer at home and try different
 versions, it would not actually be useful
 for my purposes (perhaps someone on the list wants to know, however).  If
 some file opened without change
 in another version of LibreOffice Calc, then it might mean that the file
 was created in that version.  That would
 obviously be unacceptable if the exam was to be done in the lab using a
 particular version.

 Unfortunately, the lab is public space (for many classes) and I do not
 the authority  to modify what the technicians call the lab load in
 the middle of a semester.  We will update to the latest version in early
 January.

 Best regards,

 David Gast
 
 From: David Gast [david.g...@csulb.edu]
 Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:33
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Modified Flag Set / No Changes

 Hi
 Perhaps you can help.

 My students submit examinations done in LibreOffice Calc to a web page.
 I bundle them up and download them to a Windows XP box running
 LO Version 3.6.4.3 (Build ID: 2ef5aff).  In previous semesters, an older
 version was used.  There were no problems like this in previous semesters.

 This semester close to one third of the submitted examinations are
 being modified when opened by me for grading.  I confirmed by

   1. Open file (usually from the Cygwin command line, but also from Recent
 Documents)
   2. Immediately clicking the X close icon in the upper right hand corner.
   3. A message pops up asking whether I want to change, dismiss, or cancel.

 I typed nothing, yet if I cancel, and then do a save-as, the saved-as file
 is different.

 I have two hypotheses.

 #1)
 RANDBETWEEN() is used this year in some problems, perhaps it sometimes
 causes this
 problem.  I cannot recreate that behavior, however.  Further, Compare
 document shows no
 differences, nor does oodiff.

 #2)
 Some students did work outside of class and the version they used is not
 100% compatible
 with the version in the labs.  My reasoning is that I found in one
 submittal (I have not checked
 all of them to this level of detail) that one of the fonts changed from
 something like
 New Times Roman1 to New Times Roman.   (I used unzip and then a script
 to split the
 various files into lines so that diff produced useful output.)

 Any advice?  Is it possible to determine what LO is changing?

 Best regards,

 David Gast







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[libreoffice-users] Re: Changing Base report boolean representation

2013-10-23 Thread Alex Thurgood
On 23/10/2013 13:08, Alex Thurgood wrote:
 On 23/10/2013 03:59, Girvin Herr wrote:
 
 
 This should do it :
 
 IF(LEFT([selected])=t;\u2612;\u25A1)
 

And remember to change the formatting to Text in the General tab of
the corresponding control's properties.


Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Macro issue

2013-10-23 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
WOW!!  I didn't realise the option existed!  That is magic and potentially
hugely simplifies one problem i have been delaying dealing with :

LibreOffice gets more and more awesome the more i find out about it.
Many thanks and regards form
Tom :)




On 22 October 2013 18:48, Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote:

 2013/10/22 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk

  Hi :)
  It is interesting that it works at all!  LibreOffice uses a slightly
  different programming language for it's macros so often people have to
  translate the MS ones into LibreOffice Basic (or Python or whatever
 else).
 

 Maybe ”Option VBASupport 1” has something to do with it?


 Johnny Rosenberg


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Readability Report Extension?

2013-10-23 Thread Alex Thurgood
On 22/10/2013 21:36, Spencer Graves wrote:

Hi Spencer,



 Java Runtime Environment as it is not always enabled by default.  The
 current version s 2.0.4, released 2011-09-13, compatible with
 LibreOffice 3.3.

Which means that it is not necessarily compatible with LO4.x, as you
seem to have discovered. You'll need to contact the extension provider
and inform him/her that the extension doesn't work with LO4.x


Alex



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[libreoffice-users] How to remove page border style in Writer? (eye candy)

2013-10-23 Thread minhsien0330
Dear all:
This a eye candy request.

I do prefer no border style of page in Writer (Libreoffice 3.5),
but this good feature was changed since Libreoffice 3.6. Please take a look
at attachment page_border.png.

Do you know any setting can remove the border of page in Writer? (note : I
want keep the shadow effect of page)

Thanks~

Regards,
Minhsien0330

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Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Modified Flag Set / No Changes

2013-10-23 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
I have at least one file that does this. It is a DOCX file. Anything I 
say is a guess, but


When a file is stored on disk, things such as page numbers may be stored 
in the file, but, in LO, the data does not determine things like the  
page number; the view controller portion determines this. So, when you 
open a document, it shows things such as page numbers as they were 
stored in the file, but, these are recalculated after the document has 
been loaded. I believe that there are numbers field types that do this 
(for example, figure numbers).


I have loaded long documents, jumped to the middle of the document, and 
a few seconds latter, literally see the page number change in front of 
me. This was some time back and I don't remember what document I was 
dealing with...


So, why would page numbers and such change? there are many reasons I 
suppose. Your computer may have a slightly different version of the font 
specified in the document. I see this a lot when a Microsoft Specific 
font is used and I load the document on a Linux System that either 
substitutes the font (because it does not have the one specified) or it 
has one by the same name that is not really exactly the same (such as 
Courier).


I seem to remember an option that I used to see but don't remember 
seeing recently about formatting for printer fonts or something, might 
be related to that.


Especially if the document was not last edited in LO, there may be 
different pagination rules in LO than in something like Word.


Understanding what has changed is probably tricky at best without 
comparing the generated documents on the system that reports the change 
and the original system used to create the document. I suppose it is 
even possible that it does not know for certain if things have changed, 
but I am just guessing.



On 10/22/2013 05:27 PM, David Gast wrote:

Thanks to all who replied.  Perhaps I was not clear.  I am trying to find out 
why the Modified Flag
would be set if I have made no changes.  What objects can LibreOffice Calc 
*silently* modify when starting
up that would cause the modified flag to be set?

While I can copy the files to a computer at home and try different versions, it 
would not actually be useful
for my purposes (perhaps someone on the list wants to know, however).  If some 
file opened without change
in another version of LibreOffice Calc, then it might mean that the file was 
created in that version.  That would
obviously be unacceptable if the exam was to be done in the lab using a 
particular version.

Unfortunately, the lab is public space (for many classes) and I do not
the authority  to modify what the technicians call the lab load in
the middle of a semester.  We will update to the latest version in early 
January.

Best regards,

David Gast

From: David Gast [david.g...@csulb.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:33
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Modified Flag Set / No Changes

Hi
Perhaps you can help.

My students submit examinations done in LibreOffice Calc to a web page.
I bundle them up and download them to a Windows XP box running
LO Version 3.6.4.3 (Build ID: 2ef5aff).  In previous semesters, an older
version was used.  There were no problems like this in previous semesters.

This semester close to one third of the submitted examinations are
being modified when opened by me for grading.  I confirmed by

   1. Open file (usually from the Cygwin command line, but also from Recent 
Documents)
   2. Immediately clicking the X close icon in the upper right hand corner.
   3. A message pops up asking whether I want to change, dismiss, or cancel.

I typed nothing, yet if I cancel, and then do a save-as, the saved-as file is 
different.

I have two hypotheses.

#1)
RANDBETWEEN() is used this year in some problems, perhaps it sometimes causes 
this
problem.  I cannot recreate that behavior, however.  Further, Compare document 
shows no
differences, nor does oodiff.

#2)
Some students did work outside of class and the version they used is not 100% 
compatible
with the version in the labs.  My reasoning is that I found in one submittal (I 
have not checked
all of them to this level of detail) that one of the fonts changed from 
something like
New Times Roman1 to New Times Roman.   (I used unzip and then a script to 
split the
various files into lines so that diff produced useful output.)

Any advice?  Is it possible to determine what LO is changing?

Best regards,

David Gast







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Re: [libreoffice-users] WRITER: image full go BACKGROUND and i'm hard to write..

2013-10-23 Thread anne-ology
   What are you attempting to do?;
   are you perchance wanting to wrap the words around an image? -
if so, go to the menus at the top of the screen, click on wrap words;
   or
  to write inside an image? - if so there are ways, as using
IrfanView, or XnView, or others - [you might check out
http://www.techsupportalert.com/]



On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:45 AM, manuel_songo...@yahoo.it wrote:

hello

 you can try:
 new
 document writer and add image (full size like A4) and go to last
 background and start to write , write long long all page and try to
 click-right mouse to select other a word, BINGO!that is PROBLEM, cant to
 write a word because it's activated object image and not texts..
 resolt: click mouse out document area (grey) and back click to text and
 it's start to write.
  i'm tired to work and write because it's problem background image!! it IS
 NOT GOOD!!! please fix it


 i dont
 find similar or example:
 block-selected or hide image background or image-ghost?how?
 or you propostal idea to how hide or ghost or block it background ok?
 thank you

 i did attach here email odt




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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to remove page border style in Writer? (eye candy)

2013-10-23 Thread anne-ology
   Since no attachments are allowed, you need to include an URL so we
can see to what you're referring.

   BTW - if you prefer the previous version, just delete  re-install
the previous one  ;-)
 [or have you already deleted from your 'download' file; if so,
acquire the 'older' version elsewhere]



On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 7:42 AM, minhsien0330 minhsien0...@gmail.comwrote:

Dear all:
 This a eye candy request.

 I do prefer no border style of page in Writer (Libreoffice 3.5),
 but this good feature was changed since Libreoffice 3.6. Please take a look
 at attachment page_border.png.

 Do you know any setting can remove the border of page in Writer? (note : I
 want keep the shadow effect of page)

 Thanks~

 Regards,
 Minhsien0330



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

2013-10-23 Thread Ken Springer

On 10/23/13 3:05 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote:

On 22/10/2013 12:47, S o H o N Y C wrote:

Hi,




   my copy of  LibreOffice 4.1.2 keeps crashing as soon as I start editing a 
text document. It keeps asking for Java Runtime SE 6.0 even though it is 
installed already.

   Any ideas of a fix? maybe 4.1.3 RC1 can help? Thanks in advance for your 
response




Currently, LO is released as a 32bit program on Mac OSX and consequently
requires a 32bit Java VM. Mountain Lion provides both 32bit and 64bit
versions of JVM, but I have no idea whether Maverick still continues to
provide that 32bit version of the Apple supplied JVM.

Additionally, there may simply be as yet undiscovered bugs in LO with
regard to Maverick. As far as I know, no one on the Mac dev team is
building LO on OSX Maverick (hardly surprising as it was only officially
released yesterday ?).


Alex, apologies for the cynicism, but they could have gotten a 
developer's preview version of Mavericks before it was released.  I have 
two commercial programs installed here that did just that, so they could 
have their software ready for the Mavericks release.


I doubt money would have been an issue, anyone upgrading to Mavericks 
gets the new OS for free.



It is possible to obtain test releases of LO for
the 64bit architecture, but these are considered works in progress. Look
for the OSX daily builds with the x86_64 tag, there used to be at least
one machine producing them.

My own-built 64bit developer builds seem to work mostly OK, but I
haven't made the switch to Maverick yet.


Alex







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Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 24.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.1.2


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to remove page border style in Writer? (eye candy)

2013-10-23 Thread minhsien0330
The attachment is here:
https://70711e21-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/minhsien0330/test/page_border.png

anne-ology :
New version has some new feature, so I do not want to downgrade. :)

Pedro :
Thanks for your advice, although I do not mean Text Boundaries.
So far I found this option setting will meet my need partially:
Tool  Options  Appearance  Shadow (set it to Gray 30%)

Regards,
Minhsien0330

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[libreoffice-users] the site was down free.nchc.org.tw can not donwload Lireoffice

2013-10-23 Thread karlson wong
I am in HK. Try to donwload the Lireoffice. always the site redirect it to
following
http://free.nchc.org.tw/tdf/libreoffice/stable/4.1.2/win/x86/LibreOffice_4.1.2_Win_x86.msi

but always show

The connection has timed out
The server at free.nchc.org.tw is taking too long to respond.
  The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few
moments.
  If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
connection.
  If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure
that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.

It is better the System remote this site.
When I download some opensource program from http://sourceforge.net
the nchc.org.tw  always was timeout. It is over for a year. but the
sourceforge.net can change the mirror.
libreoffice.org can't





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