Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [pt-br-usuarios] Estudantes da rede estadual de SP terão Office gratuito para até 5 PCs após parceria
On Sun, 2013-11-03 at 16:39 -0500, Doug wrote: On 11/03/2013 02:06 PM, Upscope wrote: On Saturday, November 02, 2013 12:46:43 PM Urmas wrote: Les Howell: Just a simple question, Do you know who originally designed Microsoft Office? Microsoft mostly. /snip/ Thats not totally correct if I remember right. Office started out as a joint project between IBM and Microsoft for the original PC. There was a differnet of directions and MS wnd IBM went there own ways. MS took a lot of the joint developemt (Stole) with them. we used to use Wordstar on or PC's. Russ It wasn't originally MS Office, it was just MS Word. It ran on DOS, just like WordStar, but it had some basic word-processing functions listed at the bottom, and it worked with a mouse, if I recall, which WordStar did not. WordStar required a bunch of ctrl-x functions, where x was some keyboard letter. This was, I believe, derived from Teletype terminal days, where some k/b functions we expect, even some found on a typewriter, didn't exist. Functions on a modern k/b, like the up/down/left/right arrows were implemented by ctrl-x. Even backspace, which doesn't exist on a teletype machine--ctrl-h will do it. Even on a few programs today, but not T/Bird--I just tried! I think Word was the first word processor to use a mouse, but I could be wrong. After memorizing all the control functions in WordStar, I stayed with it for quite a while, until WordPerfect came out. I still won't use Word--WP is better, imho. I wish it were still available for Linux. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley Actually Wordstar used control-J to access various functions. It was designed that way to eliminate the need to take your hands off the home row. If you were proficient with Wordstar and a touch typist, you were about 10-15% percent faster than someone using Word. Many newspaper reporters used it just for that reason. Microsoft hated the competition and so captured the control-J function (which happens to be a line feed.) This meant that the Windows systems would not run Wordstar. Wordstar also had WYSIWYG using these sequences to display the various superscript, and subscript and other characters, including the math characters and of course the nice 1/2 and 1/4 symbols as well. Wordstar came with Mailmerge and was a wonderful package for people doing newsletters or other mass mail programs. I hated that microsoft trapped the control J sequence and made it impossible to use Wordstar. The Wordstar team worked out a new interface, but just as they released it, Microsoft made another low level change to the windows interface that made the Wordstar team have to create yet another work around, missing the market window. And losing the ability to not have to use a mouse for the 80% composting task. Word was similar to another word processing program, but I can no longer remember its name. The spreadsheet was a purchase, which Microsoft reengineered and added some features and removed some to make it compatible with their GUI, and they also changed the storage style, which originally was all text based. I don't remember all the changes now. I used that original spreadsheet, It was called supercalc or something like that. Personally I wish Wordstar was still available, before the MOUSE ruined touch typing. But word processors are subject to the whims of taste. I also did some formal materials for marketing. I used a Macintosh with a simple text editor and a program called Ready, Set, Go which was a separate typesetting program, which included the ability to embed 3 to 6 layer color graphics with a WYSIWYG on a Macintosh, but that was in the 1987 time frame I think. The calendar application was similar to the calendar with events that was part of the Wordstar package as well, but Microsoft embedded theirs into Outlook about 1990 something. Wordstar was a full suite if you got all the options, and could do many things that Word didn't begin to accomplish until about 1995. The reason I brought this up is because wordprocessing has been around a very long time. Unix had some nice packages prior to 1984, and I used some of them while I was still in the Navy. But with the demise of Wordstar, I just gave up and started using the mouse. The mouse makes the job both faster to learn and much slower to use, but that seems to be the way of the world. We all have our preferences. Regards, Les H -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project
I haven't read all of this discussion in line-by-line detail, so forgive me if I'm unduly repetitive. In my experience (government lawyer), larger organizations tend to prefer MSO over the free LO for several reasons. 1. Job Security. The old saying for IT Managers used to be, Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM. Likewise, IT professionals will always feel safe in buying MSO. At least here in America, I think most IT managers would consider it a risky deal to move everyone in the organization to LO. 2. Compatibility. Back in the DOS days, I was the only lawyer in our office using PC-Write (still my all time favorite word processor). It didn't matter then, because we didn't have networks or share digital files. Now, everything gets shared back and forth over and over. I've tried doing with different programs (MSO to OOo, MSO to WP, WP to MSO), etc. At the end of the day, all the attempts at file conversion never worked good enough. Something always got lost in the translation and, over time, the files got irreparably corrupted. I ended up keeping many programs on my computer so I could always use whatever my counterpart was using. Sorry to say it, but MS has the advantage of inertia. People buy it because people buy it, and as long as people keep buying it, people will buy it. Large corporations or government offices don't care about software licensing costs. It's just the cost of doing business. This is different for home users. I have *never* paid money for an office suite on my home computers. I've used everything from MS Works, PerfectWorks, (both of which came bundled with my computers) along with StarOffice, OpenOffice.org, and LO. As to features, both MSO and LO have far more features than any single person will ever need. Number of features isn't the issue. The issue is whether a program has the features *I* need to get today's task completed. Since software is published for a wide range of different users, programs tend to grow in an attempt to meet as many different needs as possible. For me, LO's niche is in providing a cost effective office suite for home users or smaller businesses where cost is, indeed, an issue. But, I agree with Ken that being free isn't enough for LO to overtake MSO. Virgil -Original Message- From: Ken Springer Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 10:15 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project On 11/3/13 6:49 PM, jonathon wrote: On 11/03/2013 04:32 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Using a feature by feature comparison, there is no way LO or Kingsoft is serious competition for Office Pro. A point you are missing, is that even in a corporate environment, all of the parts offered by MSO Pro are not needed by all of the employees who use the office suite. But in total, all parts offered by MSO Pro may be used by someone in the company. Regardless, that's irrelevant to the discussion. That discussion is which MSO offering is LO nearest to. If it was cheaper for the company to buy three quarters of the staff MSO home edition, and a quarter MSO business edition, and a quarter MSO Pro, they would do that. But they can't. So it's moot. Microsoft's cheapest business license is for MSO Pro. Assuming it is still offered, the most expensive license is for MSO Enterprise edition. MSO Enterprise may be available, but it's not on the website. Didn't spend a lot of time searching, but found no Enterprise 2013. If you want to compare office suite with office suite, MSO Enterprise Edition is the only thing on the market, that offers all of the programs, from the same software maker. All of the other, similar solutions, use packages form several different software vendors. I'm missing something here, would you expand on this? ( I don't know if Microsoft still offers MSO Enterprise Edition. Back when the business I was working at looked at it, it was not listed on the Microsoft Product Page alongside the other MSO offerings.) If you want to entice people to switch from Product X to LO, you not only have to be as good as Product X, you have to be a Helluva lot better. To be serious competition, you just have to be roughly as good. Those are standards I do not accept. You should aspire to be the best you can be, not just good enough. Yugos were good enough. Good enough is the mortal enemy of superior. Not in the long run, if you want to be, for lack of a better phrase, in first place. Sooner or later, someone kicks your butt off the pedestal. Au contraire, my friend, as I just pointed out with the charts above, LO is competition to the mid-level version of Office only. For 80% of the MSO user base, MSO Pro is overkill, which is why LO is a more appropriate option that MSO Pro. That depends on the users needs. While I agree with your many will buy Pro when it's not needed, that's also irrelevant to the discussion. Ford doesn't just
[libreoffice-users] [Calc] Combining data coming from several sheets into a single sheet
Hallo everyone. I have a Calc document consisting of dozens of sheets. Each sheet has several rows (the number varies) and 4 columns of text strings. Now I need to combine all these text into one single sheet. Every next sheet (group of records) must be added bellow the previous one. Not only that, but I have to add an extra column with the reference to the name of the sheet that each record (text string) originally comes from. How can I achieve that? I would appreciate any help. Best regards, gordom -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Language Finnish W764 want Swedish version
Hello, have some problem to download a Swedish version of Libreoffice in my Finnish version of Windows7-64. Have downloaded to many of my friends LibreOffice in a Swedish version, in geography Finland Windows in Swedish.. Unfortenely not in my own computer whwre the Windows is FI based.. Finland is a 2 language country, we use Finnish and Swedish. Hope .. Thanks for .. FJ I don't know the problem, I am just use a computer as a tool. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Calc] Combining data coming from several sheets into a single sheet
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 18:30 +0100, gordom wrote: Hallo everyone. I have a Calc document consisting of dozens of sheets. Each sheet has several rows (the number varies) and 4 columns of text strings. Now I need to combine all these text into one single sheet. Every next sheet (group of records) must be added bellow the previous one. Not only that, but I have to add an extra column with the reference to the name of the sheet that each record (text string) originally comes from. How can I achieve that? I would appreciate any help. Best regards, gordom Gordom, You can use the following formula to reference the data in another sheet: If the final sheet is named output and the data is in a sheet named data_2012, in any cell in output enter =data_2012.cellreference. The cellreference is A1, B3 etc. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Calc] Combining data coming from several sheets into a single sheet
W dniu 2013-11-04 18:53, Jay Lozier pisze: On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 18:30 +0100, gordom wrote: Hallo everyone. I have a Calc document consisting of dozens of sheets. Each sheet has several rows (the number varies) and 4 columns of text strings. Now I need to combine all these text into one single sheet. Every next sheet (group of records) must be added bellow the previous one. Not only that, but I have to add an extra column with the reference to the name of the sheet that each record (text string) originally comes from. How can I achieve that? I would appreciate any help. Best regards, gordom Gordom, You can use the following formula to reference the data in another sheet: If the final sheet is named output and the data is in a sheet named data_2012, in any cell in output enter =data_2012.cellreference. The cellreference is A1, B3 etc. It seems I didn't express myself clearly enough. What I want to achieve is one single sheet consisting of all text strings (that are originally located in different sheets) together with the name of the sheet where each string was originally located. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Calc] Combining data coming from several sheets into a single sheet
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 19:06 +0100, gordom wrote: W dniu 2013-11-04 18:53, Jay Lozier pisze: On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 18:30 +0100, gordom wrote: Hallo everyone. I have a Calc document consisting of dozens of sheets. Each sheet has several rows (the number varies) and 4 columns of text strings. Now I need to combine all these text into one single sheet. Every next sheet (group of records) must be added bellow the previous one. Not only that, but I have to add an extra column with the reference to the name of the sheet that each record (text string) originally comes from. How can I achieve that? I would appreciate any help. Best regards, gordom Gordom, You can use the following formula to reference the data in another sheet: If the final sheet is named output and the data is in a sheet named data_2012, in any cell in output enter =data_2012.cellreference. The cellreference is A1, B3 etc. It seems I didn't express myself clearly enough. What I want to achieve is one single sheet consisting of all text strings (that are originally located in different sheets) together with the name of the sheet where each string was originally located. Cut and pasting will work with page delete, if a bit tedious. Otherwise a macro that automates the cut and pasting with empty page delete. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Language Finnish W764 want Swedish version
Den 04.11.2013 18:16, skreiv Fredrik Jordas: I solved it by opening the http://www.libreoffice.org/download site and a bit down the side you find Not the version you wanted?. Click on Change the language and then on the wanted language in the new window opened. Kolbjoern Hello, have some problem to download a Swedish version of Libreoffice in my Finnish version of Windows7-64. Have downloaded to many of my friends LibreOffice in a Swedish version, in geography Finland Windows in Swedish.. Unfortenely not in my own computer whwre the Windows is FI based.. Finland is a 2 language country, we use Finnish and Swedish. Hope .. Thanks for .. FJ I don't know the problem, I am just use a computer as a tool. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] please test probably bug in calc: W isn't shown in font 24 if a number follow it
using Version 4.0:build-30 on opensuse 12.3 write W2 in cell A1 choose font liberation sans choose font size 24 in cell A1 only 2 is visible, W is invisible I tried with many fonts and it happens only with size 24 I tried with other numbers after W and it happens also would you please to test in your systems??? thanx, ciao :-) pier -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] please test probably bug in calc: W isn't shown in font 24 if a number follow it
2013/11/4 yahoo-pier_andreit pier_andr...@yahoo.it using Version 4.0:build-30 on opensuse 12.3 write W2 in cell A1 choose font liberation sans choose font size 24 in cell A1 only 2 is visible, W is invisible I tried with many fonts and it happens only with size 24 I tried with other numbers after W and it happens also would you please to test in your systems??? thanx, ciao :-) pier Ciao Pier, I've tried this manoeuvre using Version: 4.1.3.2 Build ID: 410m0(Build:2) on my system, Linux Mint 15, and both the «W» and the «2» are visible in cell A1 using Liberation Sans at 24 points Henri -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] please test probably bug in calc: W isn't shown in font 24 if a number follow it
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 19:59 +0100, yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: using Version 4.0:build-30 on opensuse 12.3 write W2 in cell A1 choose font liberation sans choose font size 24 in cell A1 only 2 is visible, W is invisible I tried with many fonts and it happens only with size 24 I tried with other numbers after W and it happens also would you please to test in your systems??? thanx, ciao :-) pier Pier Using openSUSE 12.3 I can not verify the problem with either LO 4.1.2.3 (from LO site) and LO 4.00m0 (Buld 305) from the repository. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Language Finnish W764 want Swedish version
Fredrik Jordas: Hello, have some problem to download a Swedish version of Libreoffice in my Finnish version of Windows7-64. It makes no difference, as you select the UI language during the installation. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Calc] Combining data coming from several sheets into a single sheet
At 19:06 04/11/2013 +0100, Gordom Noname wrote: On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 18:30 +0100, Gordom Noname wrote: I have a Calc document consisting of dozens of sheets. Each sheet has several rows (the number varies) and 4 columns of text strings. Now I need to combine all these text into one single sheet. Every next sheet (group of records) must be added below the previous one. Not only that, but I have to add an extra column with the reference to the name of the sheet that each record (text string) originally comes from. How can I achieve that? It seems I didn't express myself clearly enough. What I want to achieve is one single sheet consisting of all text strings (that are originally located in different sheets) together with the name of the sheet where each string was originally located. I think you are expecting to get Calc somehow to look through whatever sheets there are and discover their names - without your having to quote these in your single sheet. I don't know that this is possible. Here's a suggestion: o List the other sheet names on your single sheet. o Now you can construct references to each other sheet using this list of names. Once you have concatenated whatever other details you need to each sheet name, you will almost certainly need to use the INDIRECT() function to convert the resulting string to a reference to the remote sheet. o There are two ways forward from that. Either use appropriate formulae - possibly including something such as VLOOKUP() - to retrieve and copy the data from the other sheets to the single one, or else simply construct your calculations on that single sheet differently, referring directly to the data on the other sheets without copying it. (The second method may well be more reliable.) Depending on whether you anticipate adding more sheets later, it may even be quicker just to copy all your material to a single sheet manually, of course. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [pt-br-usuarios] Estudantes da rede estadual de SP terão Office gratuito para até 5 PCs após parceria
On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 20:28:34 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Les Howell Microsoft hated the competition and so captured the control-J function (which happens to be a line feed.) This meant that the Windows systems would not run Wordstar. That's bullshit. Ctrl+J is a shortcut for Justify and... a paragraph mark in text controls. The Wordstar team worked out a new interface, but just as they released it, Microsoft made another low level change to the windows interface that made the Wordstar team have to create yet another work around, missing the market window. In which version it made that change? Stop spreading FUD. Obnoxious is a word that springs to mind .. Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.11.6-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Oct 18 23:22:36 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] please test probably bug in calc: W isn't shown in font 24 if a number follow it
On 11/04/2013 08:09 PM, M Henri Day wrote: 2013/11/4 yahoo-pier_andreit pier_andr...@yahoo.it mailto:pier_andr...@yahoo.it using Version 4.0:build-30 on opensuse 12.3 write W2 in cell A1 choose font liberation sans choose font size 24 in cell A1 only 2 is visible, W is invisible I tried with many fonts and it happens only with size 24 I tried with other numbers after W and it happens also would you please to test in your systems??? thanx, ciao :-) pier Ciao Pier, I've tried this manoeuvre using Version: 4.1.3.2 Build ID: 410m0(Build:2) on my system, Linux Mint 15, and both the «W» and the «2» are visible in cell A1 using Liberation Sans at 24 points Henri please try to enlarge the column...:-) :-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1.3.2
I guess I should first ask if you open a doc that has text formatted as Calibri Light, what font is it being shown as under 4.1.2.3, what is the provenance of the Calibri Light, have you confirmed that the font is available for all uses and all users, and whether it is not only activated but enabled (two different things). Then I might suggest logging out of your account on the subject machine, logging in with a new account, creating a new document, checking the default font, and then typing some text and try to format it as calibri Light. This should resolve all questions as to whether the issue has something to do with your pre-existing preferences, non-availability as a system, font, etc. If no joy, download Scrivener, install and test and see if Calibri Light shows up and is usable. If not, then there is an issue with your font, if it does then you may be looking at a bug On 11/4/13, 11:38 AM, Cliff Scott wrote: ** Reply to message from Cliff Scott c...@intergate.com on Sat, 2 Nov 2013 15:29:02 -0500 Reminder: This is on a Mac with OSx Lion (10.7.5). Sorry for replying to my own message, but I finally rebooted and no help. I removed the whole family of fonts and reinstalled them and still LO 4.1..3.2 will not recognize Calibri Light. This is mind boggling to me since, as far as I can see, it sees all the other installed fonts. This may sound strange, but without this font I cannot use this version. This is a key font in a newsletter I publish. Please, if anyone has any ideas what can be done to make this work speak up. I would very much like to upgrade to the 4.1.3.2 version, but can't with this issue. Thanks for any ideas or suggestions. Cliff Hi Y'all, I have been using LO 4.0.5 for some time and just installed 4.1.3.2. Opened a document that I had been doing in 4.0.5 and found that 4.1.3.2 doesn't see one of my fonts, Calibri Light. It doesn't appear in the list of fonts at all. Only the base Calibri appears. In 4.0.5 both the base and the Light appear as separate fonts in the font dropdown list. I'm running OSx 10.7.5 on a MacBook Pro. Checked via the Font Book app and Calibri Light appears normally. Validated the font and no problems were found. Interestingly Calibri Light was the last font I have installed. Even reinstalled it. I would normally reboot to make sure something wasn't just funny that would be corrected by rebooting, but can't do that right now. Ideas anyone? Thanks. Cliff -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] please test probably bug in calc: W isn't shown in font 24 if a number follow it
On Monday, November 04, 2013 07:59:56 PM yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: using Version 4.0:build-30 on opensuse 12.3 write W2 in cell A1 choose font liberation sans choose font size 24 in cell A1 only 2 is visible, W is invisible I tried with many fonts and it happens only with size 24 I tried with other numbers after W and it happens also would you please to test in your systems??? thanx, ciao :-) pier -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Just tried it on openSUSE 12.2 also with : libreOffice Calc Version: 4.1.1.2 Build ID: 410m0(Build:2) When I etered it , the row height was automatically increased and on exiting to another cell the new height was retained. Thought maybe its a configuration setting but I did not find one that would cause the problem. Russ -- openSUSE 12.3(Linux 3.11.1-3.gfeffbf9-desktop)|KDE 4.11.2 |Intel core2duo 2.5 MHZ,|8GB DDR3|GeForce 8400GS (NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-325.15 Patched) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Wordstar
And I wish I was still able to use wordstar ;-) On 11/4/13, 3:58 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: Urmas wrote: That's bullshit. Ctrl+J is a shortcut for Justify and... a paragraph mark in text controls. Actually, WordStar had different Ctrl+key functions than Word. Yes, today, Ctrl+J is a shortcut for Justify, but back in the WordStar days, Ctrl+J did something different, as did most Ctrl+key combinations. Ctrl+A, for example, moved the cursor one word to the left; Ctrl+F, one word to the right. Ctrl+K opened up several file commands, such as Ctrl+K, P for Print. Today, these seem archaic, but in the day, it was lightning quick for a good typist. To make matters even better, the Ctrl key was positioned next to the “a” key, where the Caps Lock key is nowadays. The WordStar keystrokes were copied by many other programs, such as my beloved PC-Write, and VDE, and even smaller, lighter editor. We DOS users were slow to embrace Windows, one of the biggest reasons being the dreaded mouse. Touch typists hate taking their fingers off the keyboard to grab the mouse. The DOS camp was so dedicated that I even recall an article that argued that DOS users made better writers than Windows users. The theory was that, while Windows users were busy trying to pick the right font and page margins, DOS users were focusing on the content of their writing. Now, today, I find myself spending more time configuring and modifying styles than I do actually writing. And, remember the blazing speed of our old 286 PCs with 20 meg. hard drives? Despite today’s dual-core, multi-gigabyte monster computer, I have yet to find a word processor that loads, processes, and saves files as fast as PC-Write on a 1980s DOS computer. *Sigh* Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1.3.2
** Reply to message from Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:07:45 -0500 Thanks for the reply. Would you tell us if it is a .ttf, .otf, or some other font extension type. It is .ttf I do not have Calibri Light, just normal, italic, bold, and bold-italic. All of them are .ttf Initally all I had in that family was the same ones as you had then found the Light version which actually is Light and Light Italic. There was a similar font listing bug last year or early this year. I do not remember which version it was that had the missing font in that Mac system. Is there any reason why could cannot use 4.0.5 or 4.0.6, till the font issues are worked out? I can continue using 4.0.5 just fine, just wanted to upgrade and found the problem. I had a problem with the font scroll-down dialog box for the fonts in 4.1.2 [Ubuntu 64-bit], which was a show-stopper for me, but I am perfectly happy to still use 4.0.5 or 4.0.6 till they get the bug fixes done. Just to through this out, can you copy the font in the internal font folder for LO? I know that there is a folder in Ubuntu/Debian for LO fonts /etc/libreoffice4.0/share/fonts/truetype/ There are 69 fonts and a file called fc_local.conf in that folder. So I wonder if your Mac has a similar root folder for LibreOffice, there might be a place there to copy that font to so it is within LO's internal list of fonts and not looking for the font folder that shares fonts with all of the installed packages. Same thing on the Mac. Same files in that folder also. I tried adding the font files to that directory with no joy. Probably needs some process to install so it can see them. Guess I'll have to file a bug as it makes no sense to have the font appear in one version and not in the other. Cliff On 11/04/2013 03:38 PM, Cliff Scott wrote: ** Reply to message from Cliff Scott c...@intergate.com on Sat, 2 Nov 2013 15:29:02 -0500 Reminder: This is on a Mac with OSx Lion (10.7.5). Sorry for replying to my own message, but I finally rebooted and no help. I removed the whole family of fonts and reinstalled them and still LO 4.1..3.2 will not recognize Calibri Light. This is mind boggling to me since, as far as I can see, it sees all the other installed fonts. This may sound strange, but without this font I cannot use this version. This is a key font in a newsletter I publish. Please, if anyone has any ideas what can be done to make this work speak up. I would very much like to upgrade to the 4.1.3.2 version, but can't with this issue. Thanks for any ideas or suggestions. Cliff Hi Y'all, I have been using LO 4.0.5 for some time and just installed 4.1.3.2. Opened a document that I had been doing in 4.0.5 and found that 4.1.3.2 doesn't see one of my fonts, Calibri Light. It doesn't appear in the list of fonts at all. Only the base Calibri appears. In 4.0.5 both the base and the Light appear as separate fonts in the font dropdown list. I'm running OSx 10.7.5 on a MacBook Pro. Checked via the Font Book app and Calibri Light appears normally. Validated the font and no problems were found. Interestingly Calibri Light was the last font I have installed. Even reinstalled it. I would normally reboot to make sure something wasn't just funny that would be corrected by rebooting, but can't do that right now. Ideas anyone? Thanks. Cliff -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Wordstar
Marc Grober wrote: And I wish I was still able to use wordstar ;-) I used to use Wordstar 2000 at work. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1.3.2
** Reply to message from Marc Grober m...@interak.com on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:06:32 -0900 Hi Marc, Thanks for the reply. I guess I should first ask if you open a doc that has text formatted as Calibri Light, what font is it being shown as under 4.1.2.3, what is the provenance of the Calibri Light, have you confirmed that the font is available for all uses and all users, and whether it is not only activated but enabled (two different things). Have tried a document formatted with Calibri Light and just a blank new doc. Calibri Light does not show up in the dropdown font list at the top of the page in LO 4.1.3.2. In the document itself the text formatted with Calibri Light shows Calibri Light in italics at the top of the LO window indicating that LO doesn't find the font and is substituting another font. Same doc in LO 4.0.5 shows Calibri Light in the dropdown list as well as correctly using the font in the document. I am the only user on the machine. I have checked that it is available, enabled and verified using the OSx Font Book app. that comes with OSx. I went so far as to remove the whole Calibri Font family from the system, rebooted and verified it was gone then reinstalled the Calibri Family again. The symptoms after that were identical to before. Seems to me that if one version sees the font that it is available to the system and the issue has to be with LO 4.1.3.2. Then I might suggest logging out of your account on the subject machine, logging in with a new account, creating a new document, checking the default font, and then typing some text and try to format it as calibri Light. This should resolve all questions as to whether the issue has something to do with your pre-existing preferences, non-availability as a system, font, etc. If no joy, download Scrivener, install and test and see if Calibri Light shows up and is usable. If not, then there is an issue with your font, if it does then you may be looking at a bug Opened OpenOffice and it sees the font just fine. Actually it sees better that LO 4.0.5 in that it shows Calibri Light and Calibri Light Italic in the font list. LO 4.0.5 only shows Calibri Light. Time for a bug report it seems to me. Cliff On 11/4/13, 11:38 AM, Cliff Scott wrote: ** Reply to message from Cliff Scott c...@intergate.com on Sat, 2 Nov 2013 15:29:02 -0500 Reminder: This is on a Mac with OSx Lion (10.7.5). Sorry for replying to my own message, but I finally rebooted and no help. I removed the whole family of fonts and reinstalled them and still LO 4.1..3.2 will not recognize Calibri Light. This is mind boggling to me since, as far as I can see, it sees all the other installed fonts. This may sound strange, but without this font I cannot use this version. This is a key font in a newsletter I publish. Please, if anyone has any ideas what can be done to make this work speak up. I would very much like to upgrade to the 4.1.3.2 version, but can't with this issue. Thanks for any ideas or suggestions. Cliff Hi Y'all, I have been using LO 4.0.5 for some time and just installed 4.1.3.2. Opened a document that I had been doing in 4.0.5 and found that 4.1.3.2 doesn't see one of my fonts, Calibri Light. It doesn't appear in the list of fonts at all. Only the base Calibri appears. In 4.0.5 both the base and the Light appear as separate fonts in the font dropdown list. I'm running OSx 10.7.5 on a MacBook Pro. Checked via the Font Book app and Calibri Light appears normally. Validated the font and no problems were found. Interestingly Calibri Light was the last font I have installed. Even reinstalled it. I would normally reboot to make sure something wasn't just funny that would be corrected by rebooting, but can't do that right now. Ideas anyone? Thanks. Cliff -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
Virgil Arrington: Actually, WordStar had different Ctrl+key functions than Word. Yes, today, Ctrl+J is a shortcut for Justify, but back in the WordStar days, Ctrl+J did something different... If it worked in Microsoft Word, how the hell it was 'captured' and 'unavailable' for Wordstar, whatever function it had? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] meager color options
At 19:29 04/11/2013 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote: Well, if I knew were the color listing is stored, ... Try user-profile/libreoffice/4/user/config/standard.soc (not that I'm suggesting that anyone should tinker this way). Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] meager color options
Hi :) I'm glad to hear we have a wider range of colours than i thought. I'd really like to see a colour-wheel and hex input but the thing i miss most is a pipette to grab colour from anywhere on the screen. Gimp has one and i miss it in Draw. I've always assumed it was just waiting for someone to post a bug-report about. Regards from Tom :) On 4 November 2013 21:30, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: There is an option to include user defined colors. I know this, since I had to do it for the text color of the official brochure we were working on many months ago. Tools / Options / LibreOffice / Colors There are options for Add, Modify, Edit, and Delete colors in the color table. So you can always add a new color to the list, and name it whatever you wish it to be. Yes, there are a low number of predefined colors, but I bet if someone would give a list of names and Hex codes for all of these non-listed colors then maybe they could be added to our font color selection. I assume you want colors like this: ORANGE 1 #FFA500 ORANGE 2 #EE9A00 ORANGE 3 CD8500 ORANGE 4 #8B5A00 ORANGE RED 1 #FF4500 ORANGE RED 2 #EE4000 ORANGE RED 3 #CD3700 ORANGE RED 4 #8B2500 ORCHID #DA70D6 ORCHID 1 #FF83FA ORCHID 2 #EE7AE9 ORCHID 3 #CD69C9 ORCHID 4 #8B4789 PAPAYA WHIP #FFEFD5 PEACHPUFF 1 #FFDAB9 PEACHPUFF 2 #EECBAD PEACHPUFF 3 #CDAF95 PEACHPUFF 4 #8B7765 PINK #FFC0CB PINK 1 #FFB5C5 PINK 2 #EEA9B8 PINK 3 #CD919E PINK 4 #8B636C PLUM #DDA0DD PLUM 1 #FFBBFF PLUM 2 #EEAEEE PLUM 3 #CD96CD PLUM 4 #8B668B POWDER BLUE #B0E0E6 This is a 5 page list of names and colors - with 100 different Gray levels. http://libreoffice-na.us/colors-and-hex.pdf On 11/04/2013 03:47 PM, baldwin linguas wrote: You know, this has been bothering me for a while, but I've never brought it up: Why are our color options (for font color, highlight, table background, etc.) so limited? I confess, I know diddley about C++, but how hard would it be to get a color wheel, or some other means of choosing colors, say like available in Tk (tkinter, tcl/tk, etc. like shown here: http://zetcode.com/gui/tkinter/dialogs/ You can even enter a hexcode.) that would give us broader options? Should I make a feature request? Has nobody else never thought of this? Or am I missing something, and we have broader options than I think (we have 112 colors to choose from for fonts, 6 of which are white). Maybe a plugin using tcl/tk or python/tkinter wouldn't be too hard to make? (I've played with tcl/tk and python/tkinter, but never trying to make something to work with a larger project as a plugin, so not sure how that works). I love my LO (and OOo before it), but this has long occured to me as a glaring oversight, or something. Frankly, having not used any proprietary office suite for more than 5 minutes in the past decade, I don't know what options they have for such features, but it seems to me that it would be better to have more flexibility in this regard, and it shouldn't be overly complex to implement (unless I'm sorely mistaken). Tony -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] 64 bit
Hi. From where download 64 bit version libreoffice for windows 8.1. 64 bit. ? Link or manual tutorial for download 64 bit version.. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] trouble downloading
i am very excited to try your word processor, but it will not download. i am on mac osx 10.8.5 intel and every time i try to download it says it can't find a way to mount. which is kinda crazy. then i'm just returned to the donations page. i'd love to donate if i could use the product. is there someone who can help? thank you andréa -- BlueLight http://www.myspace.com/bluelightonline and HECTORhttp://hectorrox.bandcamp.comare my alter egos -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.1.3.2
On 11/04/2013 12:38 PM, Cliff Scott wrote: ** Reply to message from Cliff Scott c...@intergate.com on Sat, 2 Nov 2013 15:29:02 -0500 Reminder: This is on a Mac with OSx Lion (10.7.5). Sorry for replying to my own message, but I finally rebooted and no help. I removed the whole family of fonts and reinstalled them and still LO 4.1..3.2 will not recognize Calibri Light. This is mind boggling to me since, as far as I can see, it sees all the other installed fonts. This may sound strange, but without this font I cannot use this version. This is a key font in a newsletter I publish. Please, if anyone has any ideas what can be done to make this work speak up. I would very much like to upgrade to the 4.1.3.2 version, but can't with this issue. ... Sorry, can't help you with a Mac, but... I copied the Calibri fonts from my Win7 partition and placed in my ~/.fonts folder on linux. Updated the font cache (sudo fc-cache -f -v), opened LO 4.1.3.2 (Version: 4.1.2.3 Build ID: 40b2d7fde7e8d2d7bc5a449dc65df4d08a7dd38), and both Calibri and Calibri Light show up in the font menu work just fine. Note: When you use a Calibri (or any other font set) you can see the options available via 'Format|Character'. I'm showing the following: Calibri - Regular|Bold|Italic|Bold italic Calibri Light - Light|Light Italic|Bold|Bold Italic I'll now purge the font(s) due to licencing issues. :-) I find that FreeSans 11 is a very close match to Calibri 12. You might want to give that a try. http://www.gnu.org/software/freefont/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: trouble downloading
Le 04/11/2013 20:24, Andréa Hector-Brown a écrit : Hello Andréa, i am very excited to try your word processor, but it will not download. i am on mac osx 10.8.5 intel and every time i try to download it says it can't find a way to mount. Which browser are you using to try and download LibreOffice ? Which web page are you using to try and download LibreOffice ? Which language pack/version are you attempting to download ? Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
