[libreoffice-users] Re: Opening worksheets from the terminal in linux?

2014-09-09 Thread Nino Novak
Hi Jim,

Am 09.09.2014 03:51, schrieb Jim Byrnes:

 1. Can I open a specific spreadsheet from the terminal?  I have tried a lot
 of combinations and I either get a new/untitled worksheet or an error message.

just a simple
[path_to]/soffice file1.ods
works fine here (4.3.1/SUSE)

What error message do you get?


 2.  If I solve [1] will error messages appear in the terminal?

(I suppose so - but don't know really, so someone else has to help you)

Nino

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Opening worksheets from the terminal in linux?

2014-09-09 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think some of the parameters of the problem weren't clear.

A default spreadsheet file normally has 3 sheets.  Is it possible to select
which of the 3 gets opened?  I think that is what the o.p. meant.

Err, i usually delete any sheets that i'm not using so that when i open an
ancient file i don't have to faff around trying to see if i hid anything on
one of the other 2 sheets.

This might be a work-around for the o.p. because then each file would only
have 1 sheet and hopefully that would be the one opened by default - but
it'd probably be annoying.  I sometimes find i have to add extra sheets,
such as 1 per month or per quarter and breaking those out into separate
files would be annoying.

Also i tend to find the i don't need to include the path to soffice but do
need the path to the file (unless i'm already in the correct folder).  So
for me it's more like

soffice path-name/file-name

Regards from
Tom :)


On 9 September 2014 09:19, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote:

 Hi Jim,

 Am 09.09.2014 03:51, schrieb Jim Byrnes:

  1. Can I open a specific spreadsheet from the terminal?  I have tried a
 lot
  of combinations and I either get a new/untitled worksheet or an error
 message.

 just a simple
 [path_to]/soffice file1.ods
 works fine here (4.3.1/SUSE)

 What error message do you get?


  2.  If I solve [1] will error messages appear in the terminal?

 (I suppose so - but don't know really, so someone else has to help you)

 Nino

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-09 Thread William Drago

This is what Brian is trying to explain...

You've got 6 samples. The first one taken at 12:04PM, the 
last one at 12:36PM.


The total elapsed time is 12:36PM - 12:04PM = 22 minutes.

22 divided by 5 (always the total number of readings minus 
1) = 6.4 minutes or 6m and 24s per interval.


Adding 6:24 to 12:04PM gives you the time of the second 
reading, 12:10:24PM. Enter that value into cell B2.


Now we make the computer do the work for all remaining 
readings. Follow these instructions carefully:


Highlight cells B1 and B2. Hover the mouse over the little 
black square in the lower right hand corner of the the 
highlighted cells until it turns into a cross (+). Now hold 
the left mouse button down and drag the mouse downward. As 
you drag the mouse each cell will fill with the correct time 
stamp.


You will end up with this:

12.7   12:04:00 PM
8.912:10:24 PM
3.512:16:48 PM
2.112:23:12 PM
7.212:29:36 PM
6.112:36:00 PM


If you want to use 1S as your interval the just enter 
12:04:01PM in B2 and drag the mouse as explained above.


Hope that helps...

-Bill


On 9/8/2014 8:29 PM, office76#xt wrote:

Thanks Brian for the reply,
   The data acquisition
device samples at approximately 1 sample per second not a nice fixed
sample rate.  And unfortunately time stamps the first and last sample only.

If the sample values are in column A1, then I'd like an approximate
time-line in the cells between the start logging and stop logging times in
column B2.

What I'm after is to look at my notes taken at different times (the time
noted) during logging, and identify the approximate sample that corresponds
to them.

I'm afraid I don't understand your example as it looks like you have the
samples in a row not a column.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-09 Thread Brian Barker

At 05:45 09/09/2014 -0400, William Drago wrote:

This is what Brian is trying to explain...


I was doing more than try! And no: what you 
suggest here is not what I was saying.


You've got 6 samples. The first one taken at 
12:04PM, the last one at 12:36PM. The total 
elapsed time is 12:36PM - 12:04PM = 22 minutes.


Er that's *thirty*-two minutes , not twenty-two, by my arithmetic.

22 divided by 5 (always the total number of 
readings minus 1) = 6.4 minutes or 6m and 24s per interval.


Good: but only as long as it's 32, not 22, we are dividing.

Adding 6:24 to 12:04PM gives you the time of the 
second reading, 12:10:24PM. Enter that value 
into cell B2. Now we make the computer do the work for all remaining readings.


Why do a manual calculation for the first value 
(where you could easily make mistakes - oh, you 
did!) and only then make the computer do the 
work? The computer can do all the work.



Follow these instructions carefully:


Why not follow my instructions instead (which are 
quite different), where a formula does all the 
calculation for you, not just the last bit?


But chacun à son goût!

Brian Barker  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-09 Thread William Drago

On 9/9/2014 6:18 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 05:45 09/09/2014 -0400, William Drago wrote:

This is what Brian is trying to explain...


I was doing more than try! And no: what you suggest here 
is not what I was saying.


You've got 6 samples. The first one taken at 12:04PM, the 
last one at 12:36PM. The total elapsed time is 12:36PM - 
12:04PM = 22 minutes.


Er that's *thirty*-two minutes , not twenty-two, by my 
arithmetic.


32 minutes, yes! That's what happens when I do math so early 
in the morning.





Follow these instructions carefully:


Why not follow my instructions instead (which are quite 
different), where a formula does all the calculation for 
you, not just the last bit?


Since the OP was confused by your instructions (indicating 
his level of inexperience with spreadsheets) and you did not 
explain how to fill the column or the purpose of $, I 
offered what I thought would be easier for someone at his 
level to understand. It is not necessarily the best 
approach, but something I thought would solve his problem 
and he would understand. It also demonstrates the ability of 
a spreadsheet to generate data based on a pattern in 
selected cells. This can be a time saver and is not 
something everyone is aware of.


My solution is not intended as a criticism of your solution, 
which made perfect sense to me and is frequently what I do 
in my own spreadsheets. I merely offered an alternative to 
someone who was struggling.


Regards,
-Bill


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cross References To Page# Do Not Render

2014-09-09 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
If something suddenly starts happening that didn't happen before then it's
worth renaming the User Profile to see if soemthing went wonky with that.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile
If it doesn't seem to do anything then it might be worth renaming it back
over the auto-generated one to make sure you get back all your normal
settings and tweaks.

Again it might be worth looking into using Zotero as an
Extension/Add-on/Plugin (actually it's an independent project that can be
plugged into MS Office AND LibreOffice/OpenOffice and maybe others too)
since you also seem to be pushing the default one further than most of us.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 8 September 2014 14:52, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org
wrote:

 Version 4.1.6.2 Build ID 410m0(Build:2)

 I have a large multi-document document that contains many cross
 references.  This has always worked.  Recently however references to
 Page to no work.  They render as empty.  The area is still `hot` and
 jumps to the related section but nothing displays but the gray hot
 area, no page#.  Cross references to Reference display the Reference
 text, but references to Page# display nothing.

 So I have, for example, text that reads '''(see Wiki, pg.)''' where
 both Wiki and the missing number after pg. references a section of
 the document.

 I test the cross references by exporting the master document to a ODT
 which combines all the documents into one - and thus makes the
 cross-document cross-references work.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-09 Thread Brian Barker

At 07:22 09/09/2014 -0400, William Drago wrote:
Since the OP was confused by your instructions 
(indicating his level of inexperience with 
spreadsheets) and you did not explain how to 
fill the column or the purpose of $, I offered 
what I thought would be easier for someone at his level to understand.


And I had - *of course* - no problem with that.

My solution is not intended as a criticism of 
your solution, which made perfect sense to me 
and is frequently what I do in my own spreadsheets.


My only quibble was that you presented it as what 
I was trying to say - which wasn't so. Sorry if 
I gave any impression of being dismissive. This 
is a discussion list, after all.



I merely offered an alternative to someone who was struggling.


Splendid! And exactly why I offered my approval 
by finishing chacun à son goût.


Brian Barker  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Opening worksheets from the terminal in linux?

2014-09-09 Thread Kevin O'Brien
I go one step further and change my default to only have one sheet in any
new file. I can always add more as needed, but most of the time I don't
need to add anything.

Regards,



On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi :)
 I think some of the parameters of the problem weren't clear.

 A default spreadsheet file normally has 3 sheets.  Is it possible to select
 which of the 3 gets opened?  I think that is what the o.p. meant.

 Err, i usually delete any sheets that i'm not using so that when i open an
 ancient file i don't have to faff around trying to see if i hid anything on
 one of the other 2 sheets.

 This might be a work-around for the o.p. because then each file would only
 have 1 sheet and hopefully that would be the one opened by default - but
 it'd probably be annoying.  I sometimes find i have to add extra sheets,
 such as 1 per month or per quarter and breaking those out into separate
 files would be annoying.

 Also i tend to find the i don't need to include the path to soffice but do
 need the path to the file (unless i'm already in the correct folder).  So
 for me it's more like

 soffice path-name/file-name

 Regards from
 Tom :)


 On 9 September 2014 09:19, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote:

  Hi Jim,
 
  Am 09.09.2014 03:51, schrieb Jim Byrnes:
 
   1. Can I open a specific spreadsheet from the terminal?  I have tried a
  lot
   of combinations and I either get a new/untitled worksheet or an error
  message.
 
  just a simple
  [path_to]/soffice file1.ods
  works fine here (4.3.1/SUSE)
 
  What error message do you get?
 
 
   2.  If I solve [1] will error messages appear in the terminal?
 
  (I suppose so - but don't know really, so someone else has to help you)
 
  Nino
 
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[libreoffice-users] [HELP] Send Mail With LO - AppCrash

2014-09-09 Thread Luckshor
Hello everyone again :DI've got a problem when trying to send email with the
LO.I want to send in PDF format to send when I go confirm it closes the
program.Stating that the SendDoc.exe stopped working.does anyone know what
might be happening?I need to configure something in the LO to be sending the
email?I'm using version 4.3.1.2 on WIN7.Thanks again.



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[libreoffice-users] Finding hidden Draw objects

2014-09-09 Thread dave boland
All,

I did a drawing using Draw, then exported to PDF.  The PDF had some
extraneous objects in it, so I was trying to figure out where they came
from.  The first step is to see if there are any objects that are hidden
(behind something else, or a color the same as the background, etc.) in
the source drawing.  How do I do that?  Select All doesn't seem to help.

Thanks,
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Opening worksheets from the terminal in linux?

2014-09-09 Thread Jim Byrnes

On 09/09/2014 03:19 AM, Nino Novak wrote:

Hi Jim,

Am 09.09.2014 03:51, schrieb Jim Byrnes:


1. Can I open a specific spreadsheet from the terminal?  I have tried a lot
of combinations and I either get a new/untitled worksheet or an error message.


just a simple
[path_to]/soffice file1.ods
works fine here (4.3.1/SUSE)

What error message do you get?


It was me not including the path that caused the problem.

localc [path to]/file1.ods works.




2.  If I solve [1] will error messages appear in the terminal?


(I suppose so - but don't know really, so someone else has to help you)


If I use the correct path then when the file opens I do not get the 
prompt back. I haven't had a chance to see if error messages appear in 
the terminal.




Nino



Thanks,  Jim


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Opening worksheets from the terminal in linux?

2014-09-09 Thread Jim Byrnes

On 09/09/2014 04:23 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think some of the parameters of the problem weren't clear.

A default spreadsheet file normally has 3 sheets.  Is it possible to select
which of the 3 gets opened?  I think that is what the o.p. meant.

Err, i usually delete any sheets that i'm not using so that when i open an
ancient file i don't have to faff around trying to see if i hid anything on
one of the other 2 sheets.

This might be a work-around for the o.p. because then each file would only
have 1 sheet and hopefully that would be the one opened by default - but
it'd probably be annoying.  I sometimes find i have to add extra sheets,
such as 1 per month or per quarter and breaking those out into separate
files would be annoying.

Also i tend to find the i don't need to include the path to soffice but do
need the path to the file (unless i'm already in the correct folder).  So
for me it's more like

soffice path-name/file-name

Regards from
Tom :)


Yeah, my bad.  I should have been taking about somefile.ods not sheets 
and workbooks.  See my reply to Nino.


Thanks,  Jim



On 9 September 2014 09:19, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote:


Hi Jim,

Am 09.09.2014 03:51, schrieb Jim Byrnes:


1. Can I open a specific spreadsheet from the terminal?  I have tried a

lot

of combinations and I either get a new/untitled worksheet or an error

message.

just a simple
[path_to]/soffice file1.ods
works fine here (4.3.1/SUSE)

What error message do you get?



2.  If I solve [1] will error messages appear in the terminal?


(I suppose so - but don't know really, so someone else has to help you)

Nino

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-09 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I thought it was really kind to de-geekify Brain's answer.  The tpyo was
unfortunate but these things happen [shrugs].  The main thing, for me, was
that i could then go back to Brian's answer and understand it more easily.
Thanks and regards from
Tom :)




On 9 September 2014 12:22, William Drago wdr...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:

 On 9/9/2014 6:18 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

 At 05:45 09/09/2014 -0400, William Drago wrote:

 This is what Brian is trying to explain...


 I was doing more than try! And no: what you suggest here is not what I
 was saying.

  You've got 6 samples. The first one taken at 12:04PM, the last one at
 12:36PM. The total elapsed time is 12:36PM - 12:04PM = 22 minutes.


 Er that's *thirty*-two minutes , not twenty-two, by my arithmetic.


 32 minutes, yes! That's what happens when I do math so early in the
 morning.


  Follow these instructions carefully:


 Why not follow my instructions instead (which are quite different), where
 a formula does all the calculation for you, not just the last bit?


 Since the OP was confused by your instructions (indicating his level of
 inexperience with spreadsheets) and you did not explain how to fill the
 column or the purpose of $, I offered what I thought would be easier for
 someone at his level to understand. It is not necessarily the best
 approach, but something I thought would solve his problem and he would
 understand. It also demonstrates the ability of a spreadsheet to generate
 data based on a pattern in selected cells. This can be a time saver and is
 not something everyone is aware of.

 My solution is not intended as a criticism of your solution, which made
 perfect sense to me and is frequently what I do in my own spreadsheets. I
 merely offered an alternative to someone who was struggling.

 Regards,
 -Bill



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[Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Opening worksheets from the terminal in linux?

2014-09-09 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Congrats!! :))

There is no bad.  Often problems are mainly made of trying to figure out
what the actual problem is.  Once it's clear exactly what the problem is
the answer is often immediately obvious.  It's trying to figure out the
right question in the first place that is the real challenge.

All posts to the list go to everyone on the list so you only really needed
to post once.  So i am replying to the important part of the reply and
ignoring the rabbit-hole.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 9 September 2014 15:45, Jim Byrnes jf_byr...@comcast.net wrote:

 On 09/09/2014 03:19 AM, Nino Novak wrote:

 Hi Jim,

 Am 09.09.2014 03:51, schrieb Jim Byrnes:

  1. Can I open a specific spreadsheet from the terminal?  I have tried a
 lot
 of combinations and I either get a new/untitled worksheet or an error
 message.


 just a simple
 [path_to]/soffice file1.ods
 works fine here (4.3.1/SUSE)

 What error message do you get?


 It was me not including the path that caused the problem.

 localc [path to]/file1.ods works.


  2.  If I solve [1] will error messages appear in the terminal?


 (I suppose so - but don't know really, so someone else has to help you)


 If I use the correct path then when the file opens I do not get the prompt
 back. I haven't had a chance to see if error messages appear in the
 terminal.


 Nino


 Thanks,  Jim



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Finding hidden Draw objects

2014-09-09 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Perhaps;
1.  create a copy of the file
2.  rename the file-ending from .ods to .zip
3.  open with an archive-manager (on GnuLinux you might be able to skip
step 2 but if not then just double-clicking on the .zip should open it)
4.  inside the zipfile is a folder called something like images.
5.  open each image in turn until you find the bad ones and delete them
6.  rename the file-ending from .zip to .ods
7.  does the file still open or does it crash or not open at all?

Sorry this answer is a bit of a painful route and totally inelegant!
Regards from
Tom :)




On 9 September 2014 14:58, dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 All,

 I did a drawing using Draw, then exported to PDF.  The PDF had some
 extraneous objects in it, so I was trying to figure out where they came
 from.  The first step is to see if there are any objects that are hidden
 (behind something else, or a color the same as the background, etc.) in
 the source drawing.  How do I do that?  Select All doesn't seem to help.

 Thanks,
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[libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

2014-09-09 Thread Joel Madero
Hi All,

Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like bold. I
am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can provide an
example if need be.


Best,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

2014-09-09 Thread Kevin O'Brien
Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a Style
specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it off, it should go
off.

Regards,



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 Hi All,

 Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like bold. I
 am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can provide an
 example if need be.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Finding hidden Draw objects

2014-09-09 Thread Paul
Try this:

* Open Navigator (F5)
* This should show the Navigator, with a list of slides, but no objects
  in the slides (or at least, only named objects).
* Click on the far right tool button (with Show Shapes as the tooltip)
* This should open a drop down menu with the options Named shapes and
  All shapes
* Select All shapes
* Now the list of slides should have small plus signs next to them, and
  expanding them should show all drawing objects in the slide.
* I'll note that neither right-clicking nor double-clicking them
  actually does anything, but at least you can see that they are there.

This seems far easier, and is, I think, what you want to know. Although
if it doesn't show everything, Tom's way will be more complete.

If you find things you aren't sure about, you may have to make a copy
of the file, and go through the copy, deleting or naming everything,
until you find the offending item or items, but if you're first going
to all that trouble, Navigator isn't really necessary in the first
place, so I guess a feature request should be filed to give a
right-click menu to Navigator allowing at the very least a bring to
front option.


Paul




On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 19:56:14 +0100
Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi :)
 Perhaps;
 1.  create a copy of the file
 2.  rename the file-ending from .ods to .zip
 3.  open with an archive-manager (on GnuLinux you might be able to
 skip step 2 but if not then just double-clicking on the .zip should
 open it) 4.  inside the zipfile is a folder called something like
 images. 5.  open each image in turn until you find the bad ones and
 delete them 6.  rename the file-ending from .zip to .ods
 7.  does the file still open or does it crash or not open at all?
 
 Sorry this answer is a bit of a painful route and totally inelegant!
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 
 
 On 9 September 2014 14:58, dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
  All,
 
  I did a drawing using Draw, then exported to PDF.  The PDF had some
  extraneous objects in it, so I was trying to figure out where they
  came from.  The first step is to see if there are any objects that
  are hidden (behind something else, or a color the same as the
  background, etc.) in the source drawing.  How do I do that?  Select
  All doesn't seem to help.
 
  Thanks,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Finding hidden Draw objects

2014-09-09 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Dave,

dave boland schrieb:

All,

I did a drawing using Draw, then exported to PDF.  The PDF had some
extraneous objects in it, so I was trying to figure out where they came
from.  The first step is to see if there are any objects that are hidden
(behind something else, or a color the same as the background, etc.) in
the source drawing.  How do I do that?  Select All doesn't seem to help.


You can use the tab key to traverse all drawing objects, hidden or not. 
They will become active with green handles one by one. But make sure all 
layers are visible. If a layer is not visible, you cannot access its 
objects.


If they are invisible because they are transparent, then select all 
should work. You can make a copy of the file, select all and assign an 
alarming background  and line color. If you get some new objects, you 
knew where to search in your original file.


You can use the Navigator. It has an icon to make it show objects too, 
which are not named. If you name all your real drawing objects, then the 
other faulty objects will be listed as Shape with a number. 
Unfortunately you cannot select them in the Navigator. But you can see, 
whether such objects exist. If you work with an editor directly on the 
file, then you can identify them, because they have no draw:name attribute.


Custom shapes produce currently two additonal zero size points in PDF 
export (bug report exists). If your problem has its reason in that bug, 
you should export to PDF in Apache OpenOffice and look whether you get 
better results.


Kind regards
Regina




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Re: [libreoffice-users] [HELP] Send Mail With LO - AppCrash

2014-09-09 Thread anne-ology
   Possible suggestions -
   have you cleared the cache recently?
 if you have, then ...
   how large is the file you're attempting to send? -
 could it be too large to send via e-mail?;
   if so, upload to DropBox - or another of these clouds' - then
send the URL to the file in the e-message.

   Hoping this helps,



From: Luckshor diego.si...@admceos.com.br
Date: Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:05 AM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] [HELP] Send Mail With LO - AppCrash
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Hello everyone again :D
I've got a problem when trying to send email with the
LO.  I want to send in PDF format
 to send when I go confirm it closes the
program.
Stating that the SendDoc.exe stopped working.
does anyone know what
might be happening?  I need to configure something in the LO to be sending
the
email?  I'm using version 4.3.1.2 on WIN7.Thanks again.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cross References To Page# Do Not Render

2014-09-09 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Tue, 2014-09-09 at 12:38 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: 
 If something suddenly starts happening that didn't happen before then it's
 worth renaming the User Profile to see if soemthing went wonky with that.
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile
 If it doesn't seem to do anything then it might be worth renaming it back
 over the auto-generated one to make sure you get back all your normal
 settings and tweaks.

I'll try that.

 Again it might be worth looking into using Zotero as an
 Extension/Add-on/Plugin (actually it's an independent project that can be
 plugged into MS Office AND LibreOffice/OpenOffice and maybe others too)
 since you also seem to be pushing the default one further than most of us.

I do not see how Zotero is relevant to what I am doing.  I am
maintaining a large hundreds-of-pages technical document which I
occasionally release as a PDF.   The support for Master Documents in
OpenOffice/LibreOffice make this feasible, especially in addition to the
Stylist.

But cross-references are a bit of a pain, as I can see the references in
the Navigator one cannot 'use' them, out-of-document cross references
have to be manually keyed into.  That works once the document is
exported as a single document, but now there is the issue with the
reference just not rendering. 

It is hard to believe I am the only one using LibreOffice in this way -
as this is the point of a full-featured office suite, to ease the create
and maintenance of 'real' documents.

  Version 4.1.6.2 Build ID 410m0(Build:2)
  I have a large multi-document document that contains many cross
  references.  This has always worked.  Recently however references to
  Page to no work.  They render as empty.  The area is still `hot` and
  jumps to the related section but nothing displays but the gray hot
  area, no page#.  Cross references to Reference display the Reference
  text, but references to Page# display nothing.
  So I have, for example, text that reads '''(see Wiki, pg.)''' where
  both Wiki and the missing number after pg. references a section of
  the document.
  I test the cross references by exporting the master document to a ODT
  which combines all the documents into one - and thus makes the
  cross-document cross-references work.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Finding hidden Draw objects

2014-09-09 Thread Brian Barker

At 19:56 09/09/2014 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:

On 9 September 2014 14:58, Dave Boland wrote:
I did a drawing using Draw, then exported to PDF. The PDF had some 
extraneous objects in it, so I was trying to figure out where they 
came from. The first step is to see if there are any objects that 
are hidden (behind something else, or a color the same as the 
background, etc.) in the source drawing. How do I do that? Select 
All doesn't seem to help.


Perhaps;
1.  create a copy of the file
2.  rename the file-ending from .ods to .zip
3.  open with an archive-manager (on GnuLinux you might be able to 
skip step 2 but if not then just double-clicking on the .zip should open it)

4.  inside the zipfile is a folder called something like images.
5.  open each image in turn until you find the bad ones and delete them


But these are (presumably) Draw objects, not images.

Brian Barker  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Finding hidden Draw objects

2014-09-09 Thread dave boland
All,

Thanks for the ideas.  Unfortunately none of the ideas revealed the
extranous line that ended up in the pdf file.  I like the idea of the
Navigator, but as is, it is worthless.  What needs to happen is that
when an object is clicked in Navigator, it is selected in the editor so
it can be seen.  A description would also be nice (name if available,
shape, location, size).

Of course there is also the possibility that the pdf conversion process
is flawed and that the extranous line does not really exist.

Dave,

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014, at 07:39 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
 At 19:56 09/09/2014 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
 On 9 September 2014 14:58, Dave Boland wrote:
 I did a drawing using Draw, then exported to PDF. The PDF had some 
 extraneous objects in it, so I was trying to figure out where they 
 came from. The first step is to see if there are any objects that 
 are hidden (behind something else, or a color the same as the 
 background, etc.) in the source drawing. How do I do that? Select 
 All doesn't seem to help.
 
 Perhaps;
 1.  create a copy of the file
 2.  rename the file-ending from .ods to .zip
 3.  open with an archive-manager (on GnuLinux you might be able to 
 skip step 2 but if not then just double-clicking on the .zip should open it)
 4.  inside the zipfile is a folder called something like images.
 5.  open each image in turn until you find the bad ones and delete them
 
 But these are (presumably) Draw objects, not images.
 
 Brian Barker  
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Finding hidden Draw objects

2014-09-09 Thread Brian Barker

At 22:32 09/09/2014 -0400, Dave Boland wrote:
I like the idea of the Navigator, but as is, it is worthless. What 
needs to happen is that when an object is clicked in Navigator, it 
is selected in the editor so it can be seen. A description would 
also be nice (name if available, shape, location, size).


The name is one thing you can have. Select a Draw object. Go to 
Modify | Name... (or right-click | Name...) and set a name there. 
Names will then appear in the Navigator.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-09 Thread office76#xt
Thanks for the replies. 

  My earlier example was a
simplified version of the data I'm working with. When Brian  Wdragos
technique is applied to the 2026 samples I really have, it sort of works so
I can see what your talking about. I keep altering the incrementation that
takes place in this technique to try to get the last cell to say the stop
time.  It comes pretty close but is always off by a few minutes. The reason
for this is theres a limit to the precision you can do with Times in
OpenOffice Calc. Using the hr/mn/sec format you can't generate small enough
increments to get the generated times to match the stop time. If there was a
hr/mn/sec/fraction of a second format you could do it. In Calc theres  a
time format that looks like this, but in practice it doesn't 'roll over'
like say minutes or seconds.

It looks like Calc's stock functions won't do the job. I'm thinking of
getting around this by finding some source for a stopwatch program, and
maybe modifiying it to do something similar, but with a greater precision of
incrementation. 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-09 Thread Brian Barker

At 17:22 09/09/2014 -0700, Nobody Noname wrote:
My earlier example was a simplified version of the data I'm working 
with. When Brian  Wdragos technique ...


They were not one technique but two different ones, in fact.

... is applied to the 2026 samples I really have, it sort of works 
so I can see what your talking about. I keep altering the 
incrementation that takes place in this technique to try to get the 
last cell to say the stop time. It comes pretty close but is always 
off by a few minutes.


My formula technique will get it right for you. Mr Drago's will also, 
provided you do his initial manual calculation correctly. If your 
calculation only comes pretty close, you must be getting something wrong.


The reason for this is there's a limit to the precision you can do 
with Times in OpenOffice Calc.


There is always a limit to precision in anything, but this will not 
create the problems you describe. (My formula technique is probably 
less prone to rounding errors than Mr Drago's repeated addition 
method.) There is no reason for any reasonable length of data 
sequence that you should notice any rounding errors.


Using the hr/mn/sec format you can't generate small enough 
increments to get the generated times to match the stop time. If 
there was a hr/mn/sec/fraction of a second format you could do it.


You can format times to show fractions of a second; the normal 
precision of numbers in a Calc spreadsheet means that you can 
represent times down to around ten fractional places of a second! But 
in any case, you are here confusing formatting with the precision of 
a number: values are stored to full precision in a cell even if your 
cell formatting restricts the display - as it usually will. If you 
have a long list of samples, you will need to do Mr Drago's initial 
manual calculation to a greater significance than your cell 
formatting will perhaps show, or any errors will add up and 
eventually show in your list. My formula technique will not suffer 
the same problem.


By the way, there is an option at Tools | Options... | LibreOffice 
Calc | Calculate | Precision as shown. That causes any calculation to 
be performed on the rounded value displayed in any cell instead of 
the actual (potentially more accurate) value actually stored in the 
cell. Having that ticked would certainly cause rounding errors in Mr 
Drago's technique, so you want to have that *not* ticked for normal 
spreadsheet use.


In Calc there's a time format that looks like this, but in practice 
it doesn't 'roll over' like say minutes or seconds.


Three points here:
o The formats listed are just samples; you can have more fractional 
places displayed simply by adding more zeroes to the format code.
o The formats don't affect the calculation, only the display in each 
cell (providing you don't have that option above ticked).
o I'm not sure how you think things don't roll over, but 
accumulated fractions of seconds will certainly become seconds, 
minutes and even hours when they need to.



It looks like Calc's stock functions won't do the job.


Believe me: my formula works. Mr Drago's does, providing you don't 
round the initial result too much. You are welcome to give up trying, 
but please don't blame Calc: of course it will do the job.


I'm thinking of getting around this by finding some source for a 
stopwatch program, and maybe modifying it to do something similar, 
but with a greater precision of incrementation.


You have about fifteen significant decimal digits in spreadsheet 
calculations: that is enough for almost anything, providing you don't 
introduce errors yourself.


Why don't you get someone to look at your spreadsheet (or a sample 
copy, showing the problem) to see where you are going wrong?


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-09 Thread Steve Edmonds

Hi.
I think the trick is to not calculate the difference/no. samples and 
keep adding but to calculate the difference and multiply by position 
over number of samples added to start time. For a quick test this seems 
to give times to 0.00 of a second and the finish time is always the 
finish time exactly.


i.e. for the 29th reading of 54 readings taken between 12:04 aqnd 12:36 
the time is 12:04+28/53*(12:36-12:04)


Got to dash to beat the traffic, but can post the formula when I'm home.
Steve

.
On 2014-09-10 16:32, Brian Barker wrote:

At 17:22 09/09/2014 -0700, Nobody Noname wrote:
My earlier example was a simplified version of the data I'm working 
with. When Brian  Wdragos technique ...


They were not one technique but two different ones, in fact.

... is applied to the 2026 samples I really have, it sort of works so 
I can see what your talking about. I keep altering the incrementation 
that takes place in this technique to try to get the last cell to say 
the stop time. It comes pretty close but is always off by a few minutes.


My formula technique will get it right for you. Mr Drago's will also, 
provided you do his initial manual calculation correctly. If your 
calculation only comes pretty close, you must be getting something 
wrong.


The reason for this is there's a limit to the precision you can do 
with Times in OpenOffice Calc.


There is always a limit to precision in anything, but this will not 
create the problems you describe. (My formula technique is probably 
less prone to rounding errors than Mr Drago's repeated addition 
method.) There is no reason for any reasonable length of data sequence 
that you should notice any rounding errors.


Using the hr/mn/sec format you can't generate small enough increments 
to get the generated times to match the stop time. If there was a 
hr/mn/sec/fraction of a second format you could do it.


You can format times to show fractions of a second; the normal 
precision of numbers in a Calc spreadsheet means that you can 
represent times down to around ten fractional places of a second! But 
in any case, you are here confusing formatting with the precision of a 
number: values are stored to full precision in a cell even if your 
cell formatting restricts the display - as it usually will. If you 
have a long list of samples, you will need to do Mr Drago's initial 
manual calculation to a greater significance than your cell formatting 
will perhaps show, or any errors will add up and eventually show in 
your list. My formula technique will not suffer the same problem.


By the way, there is an option at Tools | Options... | LibreOffice 
Calc | Calculate | Precision as shown. That causes any calculation to 
be performed on the rounded value displayed in any cell instead of the 
actual (potentially more accurate) value actually stored in the cell. 
Having that ticked would certainly cause rounding errors in Mr Drago's 
technique, so you want to have that *not* ticked for normal 
spreadsheet use.


In Calc there's a time format that looks like this, but in practice 
it doesn't 'roll over' like say minutes or seconds.


Three points here:
o The formats listed are just samples; you can have more fractional 
places displayed simply by adding more zeroes to the format code.
o The formats don't affect the calculation, only the display in each 
cell (providing you don't have that option above ticked).
o I'm not sure how you think things don't roll over, but accumulated 
fractions of seconds will certainly become seconds, minutes and even 
hours when they need to.



It looks like Calc's stock functions won't do the job.


Believe me: my formula works. Mr Drago's does, providing you don't 
round the initial result too much. You are welcome to give up trying, 
but please don't blame Calc: of course it will do the job.


I'm thinking of getting around this by finding some source for a 
stopwatch program, and maybe modifying it to do something similar, 
but with a greater precision of incrementation.


You have about fifteen significant decimal digits in spreadsheet 
calculations: that is enough for almost anything, providing you don't 
introduce errors yourself.


Why don't you get someone to look at your spreadsheet (or a sample 
copy, showing the problem) to see where you are going wrong?


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-09 Thread Brian Barker

At 16:58 10/09/2014 +1200, Steve Edmonds wrote:
I think the trick is to not calculate the difference/no. samples and 
keep adding but to calculate the difference and multiply by position 
over number of samples added to start time.


For the avoidance of doubt, you will see that this is what my 
original suggestion (two days ago) does.



For a quick test this seems to give times to 0.00 of a second ...


No, it gives times to about *ten* fractional places of a second 
(0.00), but it may well *display* with less precision - 
depending on your cell formatting. This is one of the original 
questioner's misunderstandings.



Got to dash to beat the traffic, but can post the formula when I'm home.


Or see my original reply:  In B2, enter: =B1+(B$6-B$1)/5 and fill 
this down to B5!


Brian Barker


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