[libreoffice-users] Re: Printing 18 labels per sheet on Avery A4 sheet L7161

[Ken Springer]

On 6/8/20 9:54 AM, Budge wrote:

Two questions please.

I am using Avery A4 L7161 adhesive labels and have opened using the new>label 
option which gives me the grid in which to type the text.  Having selected font 
and size I find the print is too close to the edge of the label.

How may I adjust the margin between the first line of text and the actual label 
edge.  I think the word is kerning and I need to move the text a fraction of 
the line down on the paper?

Once I have typed one label and edited it to suit, is there a quick way to copy 
the one label to all the labels on the the whole sheet?

Grateful for your help please.


FWIW, I've given up on all word processors' label function.  Especially 
if the label is one third or two thirds inches high.  Never works.


Instead, I downloaded the Avery free label printing software program. 
Works every time.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem with print dialogue

[Ken Springer]

On 4/7/20 8:03 PM, John Sweeney wrote:

I have this version of libre office: Build ID: 1:6.4.2-0ubuntu0.18.04.3

I cannot see the OK button on the print dialgoue because the dialogue is
too big for my screen and there is no scroll bar nor can i change the
dialogue's size. It is very frustrating.

Can anyone help?

Thanks,

John Sweeney


I see it has been determined to be a bug and fixed, so this is just an 
FYI for everyone.  And, maybe a developer will read this.  :-)


I don't know if this is true of Linux, but Windows and Macs have a 
magnify function in the OS, so folks like me can enlarge the data on the 
screen.  It's an inconvenient solution for full time use if you use the 
option that imitates a magnifying glass.


However, one of the options you have is a setting, both OSes, that that 
creates a "virtual screen" that is larger than your display.  Back in 
the Win 3.x days, some graphics cards had this option, and at least one 
of them called it a virtual desktop.  Using this is like having a 6X6 
sized screen, but looking at it through a 3X3 hole.  And you slide the 
6X6 screen around until the item you are searching for appears in the 
3X3 hole.


Today, the ability to change screen resolutions is a far, far better 
option.  I have 2 monitors that are 1920X1200 native resolution.  I used 
to be able to read that setting with no problem.  But not any more.  :-( 
 The simple solution was to change the screen resolution setting to the 
next lower resolution that has the same aspect ratio.  If the next one 
down doesn't quite work, go one more.  So the resolution displayed by my 
Mac is 1600X1000, and on Windows 10 it's 1680X1050.


This idea works great, until you start working with a laptop and small 
screen.  If a dialogue box is not designed to work with a smaller 
resolution, say 800X600, you will have the exact problem you mentioned.


In Windows, this can also happen if you set the magnification from 100% 
to 125%, for example.  I had a client where the magnification was set to 
125%, and the dialogue box for a particular program had the buttons off 
the bottom of the screen.  I could force the screen to move using the 
mouse, but as soon as I let the mouse button go so I could click on a 
button, the screen snapped back to the original position.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO Calc 6.3.5 Cell comment box

[Ken Springer]

It's beginning to look as if no developer ever considered what would 
happen if a user used a larger font, and would the result be legible.


On 3/1/20 5:45 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:

Well, when the font changes the box will grow vertically to
accommodate larger font or line spacing changes even. The width of the box
doesn't change automatically however.

I don't know of any way to change the default font setting for comments.
Which doesn't at all mean it can't be done.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 5:32 PM Ken Springer  wrote:


Hmm.

Is there a work around to take a resized box and copy it to other cells?

One box at a time is basically worthless to me.  I need to resize all
boxes, as I use a larger font so I can read the comments, enter the
comments, etc.



On 3/1/20 3:21 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:

Yes, but only for existing comments.
You can not expand the size of the box when you are entering the initial
comment text.
In a cell with some comment text select View Comment and you can then
resize the box and the custom size is retained for each cell comment
changed when saved.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 5:04 PM Ken Springer  wrote:


Can the comment box be resized by dragging the sides with a mouse?

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO Calc 6.3.5 Cell comment box

[Ken Springer]

Hmm.

Is there a work around to take a resized box and copy it to other cells?

One box at a time is basically worthless to me.  I need to resize all 
boxes, as I use a larger font so I can read the comments, enter the 
comments, etc.




On 3/1/20 3:21 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:

Yes, but only for existing comments.
You can not expand the size of the box when you are entering the initial
comment text.
In a cell with some comment text select View Comment and you can then
resize the box and the custom size is retained for each cell comment
changed when saved.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 5:04 PM Ken Springer  wrote:


Can the comment box be resized by dragging the sides with a mouse?


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[libreoffice-users] LO Calc 6.3.5 Cell comment box

[Ken Springer]

Can the comment box be resized by dragging the sides with a mouse?


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Making Libre Office my default for Word & Excel documents

[Ken Springer]

HI, Rob,

Alwyn's method does work, I've used it before.

But I am correct about Apple removing things.  But wrong about when. 
LOL  I just checked my Mojave boot disk, that is a fresh, ground up 
install.  It does *not* have a default apps control panel.


But the Mojave install that I use on a daily basis does have a Default 
Apps control panel, where I can set all those defaults at one time.  I 
don't have to find a file of a particular type, then select the default 
app.  Then find another file type, and set that.  And on and on.  What a 
waste of my time, as I've got better things to be doing.  And what do 
you do if you want to associate a filetype to Program A, and you don't 
have a file of that type on your computer?


What I keep forgetting...  The Mojave installation I use on a daily 
basis is not the same as an out of the box install.  It's a continuation 
of in place upgrades starting with 10.6 Snow Leopard.  As a result, I 
still have my Dashboard, and a Default Apps control panel.  I don't 
remember ever installing a third party app, such as Tuxera, that added 
the Default Apps control panel.


There are other differences.  When using Stacks, the image on the stacks 
folder is, or at least was as I haven't check in a while, different than 
the out of the box installation.  And in Safari, in my list of possible 
search engines, I have Yandex.  Yandex was in iOS 7, but I don't know 
about earlier versions of Safari, as I am a Firefox user.


There's a couple other things that I've discovered that are different, 
all of which makes it less likely I'll upgrade.  If I've got features I 
use that disappear in a newer version of the OS, why would I want to 
upgrade?




On 2/27/20 9:18 AM, Rob wrote:

Ken,

I have Catalina (10.15.3) running and with me it’s working exactly as described.

Success,
Rob.


Op 27 feb. 2020, om 17:08 heeft Ken Springer  het volgende 
geschreven:

On 2/27/20 7:29 AM, Alwyn wrote:

Thanks for that although the route must have changed with Catalina.


I don't use Catalina as I have some 32 bit software that I use.

But I do have a bootable Catalina drive that I just booted into.

It looks like Apple has removed that feature from System Preferences. Unless 
they've moved it somewhere else, but I didn't find anything with a quick web 
search.

Meaning, Apple has removed the more efficient way of setting file associations. 
 :-(

I do part time computer tutoring, as I'm retired.  So I've been spending a lot 
of time learning Windows 10.  It seems both Apple and Microsoft is removing 
things you can adjust from the GUI that makes the systems easier for an 
individual user.

That being said, I don't know what is possible via Terminal or Command 
Line/Powershell.


I used
Finder/Help/entered default, and was directed to 'Choose an app to open a
file on Mac'.  Under "Permanently change the app used to open a file"
process is:
1. On your Mac, click the Finder icon  in the Dock to open a Finder window.
2. Select the file, then choose File > Get Info.
 You can also Control-click the file, then choose Get Info.
3. In the Info window, click the disclosure triangle next to “Open with”.
4. Click the pop-up menu, then choose the app.
I chose Libre Office for a .odt file and likewise for a .ods and the sam
with .doc, .docx,. xls and .xlsx


This way of setting the default program goes all the way back to 10.5, Leopard, 
in 2009.  Possibly further back, as 2009 was when I bought my first Mac.

Did you remember to click the Change All button so all .odt files open with LO, 
and not just the one file?


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Making Libre Office my default for Word & Excel documents

[Ken Springer]

On 2/27/20 7:29 AM, Alwyn wrote:
Thanks for that although the route must have changed with Catalina.  


I don't use Catalina as I have some 32 bit software that I use.

But I do have a bootable Catalina drive that I just booted into.

It looks like Apple has removed that feature from System Preferences. 
Unless they've moved it somewhere else, but I didn't find anything with 
a quick web search.


Meaning, Apple has removed the more efficient way of setting file 
associations.  :-(


I do part time computer tutoring, as I'm retired.  So I've been spending 
a lot of time learning Windows 10.  It seems both Apple and Microsoft is 
removing things you can adjust from the GUI that makes the systems 
easier for an individual user.


That being said, I don't know what is possible via Terminal or Command 
Line/Powershell.



I used
Finder/Help/entered default, and was directed to 'Choose an app to open a
file on Mac'.  Under "Permanently change the app used to open a file"
process is:

1. On your Mac, click the Finder icon  in the Dock to open a Finder window.

2. Select the file, then choose File > Get Info.

 You can also Control-click the file, then choose Get Info.

3. In the Info window, click the disclosure triangle next to “Open with”.

4. Click the pop-up menu, then choose the app.

I chose Libre Office for a .odt file and likewise for a .ods and the sam
with .doc, .docx,. xls and .xlsx


This way of setting the default program goes all the way back to 10.5, 
Leopard, in 2009.  Possibly further back, as 2009 was when I bought my 
first Mac.


Did you remember to click the Change All button so all .odt files open 
with LO, and not just the one file?



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Making Libre Office my default for Word & Excel documents

[Ken Springer]

On 2/13/20 7:28 AM, Alwyn wrote:

I use an iMac on which Open Office is currently the default application.  I
want to change Libre Office to the default whilst keeping Open Office as an
application.  Is that possible?


Mac Mojave:

System Preferences>Default Apps> Extensions  Select the correct file 
extension, select Libre Office in the dropdown list.


My install did not have ods for Calc, so I typed it in the box below the 
extensions list, clicked on the plus sign, and selected Libre Office.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Hot keys for LO programs

[Ken Springer]

I found a less than desirable design flaw, at least while using Task 
Views in Windows 10.  Did anyone actually try it?


Have LO running in one view.  Have your browser open in another view. 
In LO, press F1 to open the help file.  It opens in the browser in a 
different task view, not in the view where LO is.  So you have to switch 
views, disconnect the help tab, and move the new browser window to the 
view where LO is.


What happened to the simplicity of having the help file simply open in a 
dedicated window in the same view as LO?


On 1/6/20 12:30 PM, fudmier wrote:

i agree that would be very useful.

also if the restart list could be side tracked so that have option to
opne the items in the resart list or just open one of the LO functions
writer, calc etc separately
that would be nice.. do it linux ..


On 2020-01-05 10:03 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

Windows 10 1909
LO 5.X.X
LO 6..3.4.2

I created hot keys for the LO Start Screen, and for Writer.

The goal is to have the Start Screen start in one window, and Writer
in another window.  Eventually, have all components operate in
separate windows.

Ultimately, would like to narrow the Start Center window to just show
the component list.

Is this possible?


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[libreoffice-users] Hot keys for LO programs

[Ken Springer]

Windows 10 1909
LO 5.X.X
LO 6..3.4.2

I created hot keys for the LO Start Screen, and for Writer.

The goal is to have the Start Screen start in one window, and Writer in 
another window.  Eventually, have all components operate in separate 
windows.


Ultimately, would like to narrow the Start Center window to just show 
the component list.


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[libreoffice-users] Threaded view in Nabble forums.

[Ken Springer]

Is there a way to darken the thread lines?  All but invisible on my monitor.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO Writer insists on printing landscape.

[Ken Springer]

On 10/27/17 2:07 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 27/10/2017 à 04:47, Eric Beversluis a écrit :

Hi Eric,

It is a known bug when the default page size is Letter, and with at
least some printers. As we don't have a list of all of the printers
where the problem is shown to exist, I can't say "all" printers.


Alexander,

You can add the Samsung CLP 315 color laser printer to your list.

I also have LO on a couple Windows computers, but this printer is a USB 
connection to my Mac, so I export the files created on Windows to PDF, 
where things are fine.



Removing your LO profile on OSX will probably not solve it. For the
record, it can be found in your user account "Application Support"
folder, which is hidden by default (because Apple doesn't want you
messing around in there and has decided that it is for your own good).

The only known workarounds are :

- slightly adjusting the page size in the LibreOffice page properties
before you print, say by 2 tenths of an inch ;

OR

- in the OSX Print Dialog, entering one of the non-LibreOffice print
properties (i.e. colour management, or psnup (n° of pages to print per
page of paper), or brochure management) and then coming back to the
default LibreOffice print properties;

The reason that this bug hasn't yet been fixed is that the majority of
developers working on LO either voluntarily or as employees of a
development/support company do so (1) on Linux, and (2) do not work in
North America, so their default page size is A4 rather than Letter.


The worst of it is that this is a bug that keeps coming back repeatedly
over several release versions and no-one seems to be able to nail it
down properly and kill it once and for all. One would have thought that
getting printing right, or at least getting it to print to the required
page size would be easy - not so, it seems.


Sure does make it hard for me to conscientiously recommend LO to others. 
 :-(



Bugs known and referenced in the LibreOffice bug tracker:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92190
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110461


Good luck !

Alex





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Tabs and tab stops in text boxes

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On 10/2/17 11:57 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Ken,

Ken Springer schrieb:

Hi, Regina,

Yes, I'm in Writer.

Why am I using a text box?  Because there is this nice (or not so nice,
depending on the icon set) icon in the toolbar area that says "Insert
Text Box".  There's no indication the icon refers to a graphic object as
opposed to a text object/frame.  Using the word "Text" logically implies
you will be working with text, and not graphics.


And to make is more confusing, you can add a "text box" to a custom
shape (a star e.g.) in Writer and that is an additional kind of "text box".


I seem to vaguely remember reading this somewhere.



Digging a little deeper...

Right click on the frame.  At the bottom of the context box, it says
"Object", not "Frame".  And it really should say "Frame Properties" so
the context box entry accurately describes what the link will take you to.


Open the "Styles" pane of the sidebar. The third icon from left selects
the tab "Frame styles". To these styles belong not only Frame, but
Formula, Graphics (that are images not shapes) and OLE too. They are all
kind of "Object". Therefore in some context not the specific but the
more general term "Object" is used.


Lots of options, but how does this solve the issue for the new user, who 
would have no clue what "Object" would do, but is likely to have a clue 
as to what "Properties" would do?



Shapes do not have styles in Writer but only in Draw and Impress.



Occasionally, I have had the same dialog box come up when right clicking
on a text box, but I can't reliably reproduce this.

Create a text frame the width of the page text area.  Height appears to
be unimportant.


You can set a minimal height which expands, if the content grows, or you
can set a fixed height.


This I knew, but my point here was, that for my example, the height 
doesn't matter.



Put a border on the bottom of the frame.  (This is for

reference only, so you can see what happens.)  Set the Vertical position
for Bottom to the page text area.

And look at that...  There's a gap between the frame and the page
margin.  :-)


A frame has an outer margin, a border and an inner padding (similar to
the box model in CSS
https://www.w3.org/TR/2011/REC-CSS2-20110607/box.html#box-dimensions).
Open "Properties" from the context menu (=right click) of the frame. Go
to tab "Wrap". The section "Spacing" contains the values for the outer
margin. Go to tab "Borders", the top right values are for "Padding". [It
will be called Padding in the next LibreOffice version.]


OK, I wasn't expecting page margins to be included in text wrap.  The 
language here is not intuitive.  To me, the words "text wrap" means the 
effect applies only to the text.




There's a similar problem with an inserted image.  Do similar to the
text frame, but position vertically to the top of the page area.  Add a
caption below the image


A caption to the image inserts a frame. The image and the paragraph with
the caption text are now content of the frame.

, and the image position is no longer next to the

top margin of the page.


You have to adjust margin and padding manually.


I think, from a user's perspective, especially a new user, once you 
position and size a graphic on the page, you expect it to stay there. 
Just as if you had glued it to a piece of paper.  You don't expect your 
graphic to move because of something else, unless attached to the 
paragraph.  But a new user is unlikely to know about anchoring overall.


I often feel as if developers eventually forget what it's like to be a 
new user, without all the knowledge they have accumulated over time. 
And they simply cannot view their product in this way, and design for 
that situation.




Now that you have a caption, the image position shifts away from the top
margin.



FWIW, with what I'm currently creating in LO, if I was being paid to
create documents similar to this, I would use, and recommend, a page
layout program.  :-)  But this gets me what I need to know and learn, so
I'm using LO.



If you will use LibreOffice like a layout program, you need a lot to
learn, because that is not the common use of Writer. Do not hesitate to
ask. LibreOffice has considerably more possibilities than a simple
office worker would imagined. Describe what you want to get and people
will give you tips how to get it.


I have no plans to use LO or any other word processing program as a page 
layout program.  I've found, among the programs I've looked at, that you 
should use the program that is designed for the job you want to do.  The 
more features you add, the harder it is to learn to use, the programs 
slow down in performance, and often the poorer job that is done.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Tabs and tab stops in text boxes

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Regina,

Yes, I'm in Writer.

Why am I using a text box?  Because there is this nice (or not so nice, 
depending on the icon set) icon in the toolbar area that says "Insert 
Text Box".  There's no indication the icon refers to a graphic object as 
opposed to a text object/frame.  Using the word "Text" logically implies 
you will be working with text, and not graphics.


Digging a little deeper...

Right click on the frame.  At the bottom of the context box, it says 
"Object", not "Frame".  And it really should say "Frame Properties" so 
the context box entry accurately describes what the link will take you to.


Occasionally, I have had the same dialog box come up when right clicking 
on a text box, but I can't reliably reproduce this.


Create a text frame the width of the page text area.  Height appears to 
be unimportant.  Put a border on the bottom of the frame.  (This is for 
reference only, so you can see what happens.)  Set the Vertical position 
for Bottom to the page text area.


And look at that...  There's a gap between the frame and the page 
margin.  :-)


There's a similar problem with an inserted image.  Do similar to the 
text frame, but position vertically to the top of the page area.  Add a 
caption below the image, and the image position is no longer next to the 
top margin of the page.


Now that you have a caption, the image position shifts away from the top 
margin.




FWIW, with what I'm currently creating in LO, if I was being paid to 
create documents similar to this, I would use, and recommend, a page 
layout program.  :-)  But this gets me what I need to know and learn, so 
I'm using LO.




On 10/2/17 4:08 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Ken,

are you working in Writer? Then I wonder, why you are working with a
text box and not with a frame? A text box is a graphic object with a
restricted edit engine.

Kind regards
Regina



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Tabs and tab stops in text boxes

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Rémy,

I got back to working with tabs again today.

And you appear to be right, they only work if you manually enter them 
into the dialogue box.


Even that doesn't appear to work 100% correctly.  Let's say you have a 
text box where the right edge of the box is at 7.50"  Do you think you 
can put a right tab at 7.50"?  Nope.  It will wrap to the next line, at 
the first tab stop.


You have to enter 7.49".

I did a bit of experimenting in Open Office, current version, appears to 
be the same thing.  :-(


This testing was done earlier today, and I found a couple other "little" 
things that don't seem quite right either.  I wish I could remember what 
they were, but I didn't take the time to write them down.  But I did 
find it disappointing.


I so want to use LO, and by extension OO, but LO always leaves me with 
the feeling it's "not quite ready for Prime Time".


The little things like this tab issue just leave me so frustrated, 
there's no enjoyment for me. Let's add the unfixed/ignored bugs to 
the list.  :-(




On 9/5/17 7:15 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:

Hi,

Fedora 25
LO 5.3.4.2

Tab stops in a text box seem to work only if you set them up via Format

Paragraph and enter them manually. Entering tab stops via the ruler

bar is useless when it comes to the text boxes. Additionally, if you
setup some tabs in a box (via Format > Paramgraph) and click into the
box, even though they are set, they will not appear on the ruler.

I hope this helps.

Rémy Gauthier.

Le mardi 05 septembre 2017 à 12:58 -0600, Ken Springer a écrit :

OX X 10.11.6 El Capitan

LO 5.3.6.1

Do they work?  I haven't been able to make them work up to this point.  :-(


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a table with equal sized rows

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Rémy,

While this works if all you need is the table, my purpose was to have a 
table that would overlay a particular label, the Avery #18294.  Which 
would require more steps than your table requires.


Assuming the page is preset for the correct margins, the #18294 table 
would require 7 columns, of which 4 columns have one width, and 3 would 
require a different width, with the frame anchored to the upper left 
corner margin.  So you would enter the width of each column manually.


I would ask myself, why would I want to go to all that work just to use 
LO to accomplish the task, when all that work is automatically done by 
the Avery software?  


The Avery software also lets you save your labels as a PDF file.  I've 
not experimented, but if you had a table to create, and there was a 
label layout that met your needs, maybe you could enter the data into 
Avery software, save as a PDF, then import the PDF into your LO document.


If the info in the table would need to be updated fairly regularly, the 
Avery option might not be the best solution.


I do know there are a couple other label product numbers that have the 
same size and layout of the labels, but the problem would still exist 
there.  Two-thirds of a inch is two-thirds of an inch.


It's all about knowing the software available, and what you can do with 
the software on the computer, in order to get the job done as quickly 
and efficiently as possible.



On 9/19/17 5:33 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:

Hi again,
I don't know if this works for the Avery pre-cut labels #18294, but I
was able to get the layout I was looking for like this and, added
advantage, LO does the sizing for me:
1) Insert a frame, anchored to the page2) Place the frame in the center
of the page, at so many inches, cm, points from the top of the page3)
Insert a 1 row, 1 column table in the frame4) Set the row height to 10
inches5) Set the column width to 7 inches6) Reset the position of the
frame to have it sit at the correct place on the page7) Split the table
vertically into 4 columns8) Split the table horizontally into 15 rows
in equal proportions
I hope this helps.
Rémy.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a table with equal sized rows

[Ken Springer]

On 9/19/17 2:21 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 16:01:06 -0600
Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com> wrote:

This is what I am trying to do, create a page of labels to fit Avery
label #18294.

LO's label creation cannot create a page for Avery letter sized
labels, #18294.  But neither can MS Word for Mac 2011 and Softmaker
Office 2016 for Windows.  Printing on the label slowly moves lower on
each label and you get closer to the bottom of the page.  Or it moves
up on the label.

Why does it do this?  I think it's because you cannot enter the
correct size for the height of the label.  In all 3 programs you can
only enter .66" or .67" for the height.  But neither number is
correct.  The actual size of the label is two-thirds of an inch, a
repeating decimal  to infinity, I.E. .6 with 6's
going on forever.  So, if the programmers formulas for calculating
height is limited to 2 decimal places, there is no option but to have
a built-in error.


If you select points as the measurement unit for the document then
two-thirds of an inch is exactly 48 points and you can enter that when
sizing row heights.
https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Selecting_Measurement_Units
https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Conversion_of_measurement_units

It looks like it works on screen but I've no idea whether it prints
correctly.


I just did some quick experimenting with points.  Even that may not work 
right.


The margins and space between labels are .3" in width.  Which is 21.6 
pts.  But, you can't enter 21.6, and have it "stick".  It gets rounded 
up to 22 pts.  I think this will end up with a horizontal spacing error, 
instead of the vertical error I was trying to correct.


I didn't work at this too hard, since it's just easier to use the Avery 
Software, IMO, especially since the label is already included in their 
software.  It's not in the LO list, or in the Word for Mac 2001 list. 
The label is listed in Softmaker 2016 for Windows, but it doesn't work 
correctly, as the text is slowly displaced on the paper.


So, we know the Avery software appears to not stumble over this. 
Bringing up the question, why does it work there, or how do they do it?


It occurred to me, maybe Avery checks the DPI of the printer, and uses 
that as the basis for positioning on the paper.  I did the math with my 
printer dpi (1200) and all the results for the 18294 label is in whole 
numbers   If your printing is a bit off, the Avery software allows 
you to "nudge" the output left, right, up, and down.


Regardless of the word processor being used, I'm done with trying to do 
labels in that program.  I'm going to use the Avery software until I 
find a label that doesn't work right.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a table with equal sized rows

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Remy,

I was going for 4 columns 1.75" wide, and 3 columns .25" wide.  Table 
width was set a 8" wide, frame set at 8" wide.


The dimensions I used came from using a ruler on a page of labels.

After reading your message, decided on a different approach on the 
dimensions, a purely math approach.  Gave me dimensions of less than a 
tenth of an inch for everything.


Finally I was able to get the width of the table to work, but not on the 
first try.  But the small box that is supposed to tell you how much 
space is left never changed from 0, so that was worthless as a guide.


As for the total height of the table, the difference in height is 
inconsequential if you are printing on plain paper.  But if you are 
printing on precut labels, it is consequential depending on the contents 
of each label.


Your result with the 3" high rows has been that way for years.  And the 
text used in the menu for row and column distribution is the same, the 
results you get are not.


I've never been able to think of a situation where you would want to 
have all rows to be adjusted the way LO does it.  And I don't know of 
any other word processor that does it tat way.  I've never been an Open 
Office user, but maybe I should install the current version to see what 
OO does.  But I suspect it's the same situation.


I filed a bug on this and something else years ago.  Others agreed with 
me on my comments.  But nothing has changed.


When I was told in this mailing list that my issues weren't important, 
that's when I stopped being a regular user of LO.  And I never will be 
again.


FYI, I got the table to eventually fit by selecting all the rows in the 
table, and manually entering a row height of .66 or .67.


I use LO very occasionally in this Mac, basically just to see what has 
been changed or added.  And I don't think I have it installed on a 
Windows system.




On 9/18/17 7:43 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:

Hi,
Sorry to hear you could not make it work. And you are absolutely right,
2/3 of an inch is not a measurement that works. BTW, your column
adjustment problem comes from the setting of the table width and
alignment. Not trivial, and it requires a lot of patience.
I did manage to get the table at the required height by setting the
first 14 cells at 0.5 inch and then the next one at 3 inches (I am
assuming 15 cells with 0.5 inch margin on top and bottom). Then, I
selected the whole table and used the Table -> Size -> Distribute rows
evenly. In my version (LO 5.3.6.1 on Fedora 25), what I get is a table
where all the rows are 3 inches high instead of identical height within
the current height of the table (which I would assume it would do based
on what happens when you select distribute column width evenly).
If I come up with some brilliant scheme that works, I'll let you know.
Regards,
Rémy.
Le lundi 18 septembre 2017 à 16:01 -0600, Ken Springer a écrit :

Hi, Remy,

Before I forget this, I "regressed" to 5.2.7 to see if the
StartCenter
file loading problem I found in 5.3.1.6 was solved.  I will have to
create some documents to know the current status.

I could not get your idea to work.  In fact, I just spent 3-4 hours
trying to get your idea and LO's labels feature to work.  And it
didn't.
   :-(

This is what I am trying to do, create a page of labels to fit Avery
label #18294.

LO's label creation cannot create a page for Avery letter sized
labels,
#18294.  But neither can MS Word for Mac 2011 and Softmaker Office
2016
for Windows.  Printing on the label slowly moves lower on each label
and
you get closer to the bottom of the page.  Or it moves up on the
label.

Why does it do this?  I think it's because you cannot enter the
correct
size for the height of the label.  In all 3 programs you can only
enter
.66" or .67" for the height.  But neither number is correct.  The
actual
size of the label is two-thirds of an inch, a repeating decimal  to
infinity, I.E. .6 with 6's going on forever.  So, if
the
programmers formulas for calculating height is limited to 2 decimal
places, there is no option but to have a built-in error.

It had been suggested to me, somewhere, to use a table.  And that's
where the problem of the extra line feed, that is unnecessary if you
change the program code, comes into play.
And you end up screwing around and wasting your time with all the
various workarounds.

Anyway, I created a frame, and sized it to fit the page margins I
had
set up.  Those margins were the ones that should fit the area of the
sheet of labels I wish to print.  Then, I created a table inside the
frame.

I was never able to get the column widths to be correct.  In the
Table
Properties, I typed in the exact dimensions of the for the columns,
had
all the text offsets I could find set to 0", and then LO would
simply
change the widths to whatever when I exited the dialogue.

So I went to the Avery website, downloaded and installed their
Design
and P

[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a table with equal sized rows

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Remy,

Before I forget this, I "regressed" to 5.2.7 to see if the StartCenter 
file loading problem I found in 5.3.1.6 was solved.  I will have to 
create some documents to know the current status.


I could not get your idea to work.  In fact, I just spent 3-4 hours 
trying to get your idea and LO's labels feature to work.  And it didn't. 
 :-(


This is what I am trying to do, create a page of labels to fit Avery 
label #18294.


LO's label creation cannot create a page for Avery letter sized labels, 
#18294.  But neither can MS Word for Mac 2011 and Softmaker Office 2016 
for Windows.  Printing on the label slowly moves lower on each label and 
you get closer to the bottom of the page.  Or it moves up on the label.


Why does it do this?  I think it's because you cannot enter the correct 
size for the height of the label.  In all 3 programs you can only enter 
.66" or .67" for the height.  But neither number is correct.  The actual 
size of the label is two-thirds of an inch, a repeating decimal  to 
infinity, I.E. .6 with 6's going on forever.  So, if the 
programmers formulas for calculating height is limited to 2 decimal 
places, there is no option but to have a built-in error.


It had been suggested to me, somewhere, to use a table.  And that's 
where the problem of the extra line feed, that is unnecessary if you 
change the program code, comes into play.
And you end up screwing around and wasting your time with all the 
various workarounds.


Anyway, I created a frame, and sized it to fit the page margins I had 
set up.  Those margins were the ones that should fit the area of the 
sheet of labels I wish to print.  Then, I created a table inside the frame.


I was never able to get the column widths to be correct.  In the Table 
Properties, I typed in the exact dimensions of the for the columns, had 
all the text offsets I could find set to 0", and then LO would simply 
change the widths to whatever when I exited the dialogue.


So I went to the Avery website, downloaded and installed their Design 
and Print software.  In 10-15 minutes, I had a page of labels that fit.


From now on, it's the Avery software for me, when it comes to labels. 
I am going to install the current version of Open Office, see if it has 
the same problems.  :-)






On 9/17/17 2:08 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:

Hi,

You can place the table in a frame that is set to be behind the text on
the page (this will remove the space taken by the paragraph mark after
the table on the page but not in the frame). Anchor the frame to the
page, with the top at 0 cm from the text zone. Place the data in your
table and then spread the rows evenly in the table (from the table
menu). By adjusting the height of your table, you should be able to fit
it between your top and bottom margins. This is the easiest way I can
think of, but it is not straightforward.

I hope this helps.

Rémy Gauthier.

Le dimanche 17 septembre 2017 à 12:42 -0600, Ken Springer a écrit :

Libre Office 5.3.6.1

Mac OS X 10.11.6 El Capitan

I've been trying to find a way to easily create a table that starts at
the top margin, ends at the bottom margin, with all rows the same
height, and not create a blank page at the end of the document.

Can this be done?




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a table with equal sized rows

[Ken Springer]

On 9/18/17 5:42 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 12:42 17/09/2017 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

I've been trying to find a way to easily create a table that starts
at the top margin, ends at the bottom margin, with all rows the same
height, and not create a blank page at the end of the document. Can
this be done?


As has been said, there appears to be no way to avoid an empty
paragraph after the table - appearing either on the same page or a
following one. But you can change the font size of this empty
paragraph so as to minimise its impact. Note that, even though the
smallest value provided in the Font Size drop-down menu is 6 pt, you
can enter smaller values - as small as 2 pt - by typing into the Font
Size box. Two points is pretty invisible.

If you want to be really precise, you could modify the bottom margin
on any such page so that the last table row finishes where the bottom
margin would have been without the rogue empty paragraph.

I trust this helps.

Hi, Brian,

I've been doing this for years, since I had no option to using MS Word. 
(Company policy)


But, prior to changing to MS Word, we used WordPerfect.  This workaround 
to try to get what you want was not needed.  You simply did what you 
wanted with no futzing around.  :-)


I hope to have the time to try Remy's frame idea.  But yet again, that's 
a work around, not a solution.  :-)



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO printing issue, 5.3.6.1

[Ken Springer]

Interesting.  It's an old problem that has reared it's ugly head.

I'm going to back up to 5.2.7 where it seems this is not a problem.

And it may solve the Start Center/Remote files problem I've found.


On 9/17/17 2:04 PM, Al Maloney wrote:

Please see
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92190 et al

Velox Versutus Vigilans

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com> wrote:


I also use the Export to PDF option.  Feels like a lot less work to me!
LOL

What is curious to me, is how this issue escaped notice in the "stable"
version, which is meant for those that don't want to deal with issues.

As well as my thread about opening remote files, which I just discovered
affects more than the remote files I mentioned in my original post.



On 9/17/17 11:03 AM, Tim-L wrote:



I get that issue many times with 64-bit DEB version.

A lot of the times when I see that issue I do a "trick".  I choose a
different printer, then do a "print preview".  After that, I go back to
the original printer and look at the print preview option.  Sometimes
that works.  Why - who knows.  If it does not work the first time, I try
going to a different printer on my network,  Most times the "trick"
works after the second try.

I have 2 Canon inkjet printers that I use most, and the newest has an
internal "filter" deciding what paper tray "IT" wants the document paper
type will be printed.  With the "bug" of not allowing the user to choose
paper orientation, paper tray, and even paper size, is the biggest issue
I have right now.

Yes, the orientation issue is a pain to deal with, along with the other
printing controls, but there is at least an option to export it it a PDF
file and use your PDF document reader and print the document[s] from
that package.  It still is a pain to do this. Hopefully the bug will be
fixed soon, like other ones that creep up from time to time.


On 09/16/2017 09:04 PM, Ken Springer wrote:


Mac OS X 10.11.6

I create a document in portrait orientation.

Print Preview is correct.

PDF export is correct.

Printing is not.  The document displays and print as landscape.

Create a landscape document, and printing is correct.

Bug?










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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a table with equal sized rows

[Ken Springer]

You have to do this with MS Word too.  Never have considered this to be 
a sign of quality.


On 9/17/17 2:32 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

I think in LO you always have to have a line after the table on a page.
I sometimes make the character height 6 pt to minimise the visual effect.

steve

On 18/09/17 06:42, Ken Springer wrote:

Libre Office 5.3.6.1

Mac OS X 10.11.6 El Capitan

I've been trying to find a way to easily create a table that starts at
the top margin, ends at the bottom margin, with all rows the same
height, and not create a blank page at the end of the document.

Can this be done?










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[libreoffice-users] Creating a table with equal sized rows

[Ken Springer]

Libre Office 5.3.6.1

Mac OS X 10.11.6 El Capitan

I've been trying to find a way to easily create a table that starts at 
the top margin, ends at the bottom margin, with all rows the same 
height, and not create a blank page at the end of the document.


Can this be done?




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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO printing issue, 5.3.6.1

[Ken Springer]

I also use the Export to PDF option.  Feels like a lot less work to me!  LOL

What is curious to me, is how this issue escaped notice in the "stable" 
version, which is meant for those that don't want to deal with issues.


As well as my thread about opening remote files, which I just discovered 
affects more than the remote files I mentioned in my original post.



On 9/17/17 11:03 AM, Tim-L wrote:


I get that issue many times with 64-bit DEB version.

A lot of the times when I see that issue I do a "trick".  I choose a
different printer, then do a "print preview".  After that, I go back to
the original printer and look at the print preview option.  Sometimes
that works.  Why - who knows.  If it does not work the first time, I try
going to a different printer on my network,  Most times the "trick"
works after the second try.

I have 2 Canon inkjet printers that I use most, and the newest has an
internal "filter" deciding what paper tray "IT" wants the document paper
type will be printed.  With the "bug" of not allowing the user to choose
paper orientation, paper tray, and even paper size, is the biggest issue
I have right now.

Yes, the orientation issue is a pain to deal with, along with the other
printing controls, but there is at least an option to export it it a PDF
file and use your PDF document reader and print the document[s] from
that package.  It still is a pain to do this. Hopefully the bug will be
fixed soon, like other ones that creep up from time to time.


On 09/16/2017 09:04 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

Mac OS X 10.11.6

I create a document in portrait orientation.

Print Preview is correct.

PDF export is correct.

Printing is not.  The document displays and print as landscape.

Create a landscape document, and printing is correct.

Bug?










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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO printing issue, 5.3.6.1

[Ken Springer]

That's too bad.  :-(

A printing bug seriously cripples a program, IMO.


On 9/16/17 10:32 PM, Ginterak wrote:

Yes


On Sep 16, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com> wrote:

Mac OS X 10.11.6

I create a document in portrait orientation.

Print Preview is correct.

PDF export is correct.

Printing is not.  The document displays and print as landscape.

Create a landscape document, and printing is correct.

Bug?


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[libreoffice-users] LO printing issue, 5.3.6.1

[Ken Springer]

Mac OS X 10.11.6

I create a document in portrait orientation.

Print Preview is correct.

PDF export is correct.

Printing is not.  The document displays and print as landscape.

Create a landscape document, and printing is correct.

Bug?




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Opening Remote Files

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On 9/4/17 8:29 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

OX X 10.11.6 El Capitan

LO 5.3.6.1

I'm working with the first of multiple files that will be located on a
Windows 8.1 computer.  That computer and my Mac are both hardwired to a
network.

LO seems to have an issue opening the document at the beginning of a
work session.

Start Windows 8.1.

Start OS X.

Wait until the Mac has recognized and connected to 8.1.

Start LO to the Start Center.  The file I want is listed, but when I
click on it, I get the message the file does not exist.  Even though I
know it does exist.

If I click on Open File, I can then navigate to the W8.1 computer, and
drill down to the folder where the file is and load it.

Even better, I have the folder that contains the file in the Finder's
Sidebar.  Click on the folder, it opens and I can load the file I want.


Has anyone else seen this?


Rather disappointing there was no response.  :-(

But it seems the problem is worse than I described.

The hard drive in this iMac is partitioned into two partitions.  LO's 
Startcenter can't open a file that's on the 2nd partition, either.



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[libreoffice-users] Tabs and tab stops in text boxes

[Ken Springer]

OX X 10.11.6 El Capitan

LO 5.3.6.1

Do they work?  I haven't been able to make them work up to this point.  :-(

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Display of Formatting Aids and Document Windows size

[Ken Springer]

On 9/5/17 9:02 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 04/09/2017 à 23:54, Ken Springer a écrit :

Hi Ken,





Is it possible to force LO to remember the last opened Window size?  I'm
getting tired of having to resize windows.  :-(



This annoying behaviour is bug 75644, still open after all these years
(like many other OSX-specific bugs).

Alex


Thanks, Alex.

Not fixing old bugs is one of FOSS software's biggest detriments.  :-(


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Display of Formatting Aids and Document Windows size

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On 9/5/17 5:17 AM, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

OX X 10.11.6 El Capitan

LO 5.3.6.1

In the Preferences window, LibreOfficeGeneral>Formatting Aids, I have
almost every option checked, I.E  Paragraph end, Spaces, Tabs, etc.

But none of them show in the document.  What am I missing?


View > Formatting Marks to actually show them.


Thank you, kind sir!   


Is it possible to force LO to remember the last opened Window size?
I'm getting tired of having to resize windows. :-(


Sorry, I don't know about that one. For me, on Windows and Linux Mint
Mate, LibreOffice does open at the same size as it was when last closed.
I don't think I've changed any preference for that to happen. Perhaps
it's one of those things that works differently on OS X.


It's definitely an LO issue, as other software programs remember 
previous windows sizes.




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[libreoffice-users] Opening Remote Files

[Ken Springer]

OX X 10.11.6 El Capitan

LO 5.3.6.1

I'm working with the first of multiple files that will be located on a 
Windows 8.1 computer.  That computer and my Mac are both hardwired to a 
network.


LO seems to have an issue opening the document at the beginning of a 
work session.


Start Windows 8.1.

Start OS X.

Wait until the Mac has recognized and connected to 8.1.

Start LO to the Start Center.  The file I want is listed, but when I 
click on it, I get the message the file does not exist.  Even though I 
know it does exist.


If I click on Open File, I can then navigate to the W8.1 computer, and 
drill down to the folder where the file is and load it.


Even better, I have the folder that contains the file in the Finder's 
Sidebar.  Click on the folder, it opens and I can load the file I want.



Has anyone else seen this?

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[Ken Springer]

OX X 10.11.6 El Capitan

LO 5.3.6.1

In the Preferences window, LibreOfficeGeneral>Formatting Aids, I have 
almost every option checked, I.E  Paragraph end, Spaces, Tabs, etc.


But none of them show in the document.  What am I missing?



Is it possible to force LO to remember the last opened Window size?  I'm 
getting tired of having to resize windows.  :-(




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a custom label problem

[Ken Springer]

To me, if it doesn't work right, it's broken.  :-)

On 6/25/17 12:44 PM, Philip Jackson wrote:

Well, I would say that's a slight exaggeration. The set up of the user
sheet is 'handicapped' rather than broken, certainly degraded from what
I knew in the past.

But I can set up label content and print them out on my set of label
sheets. Once set up, it saves and sticks so it is usable but not
friendly and should be fixed.  :-)

On 25/06/17 19:14, Ken Springer wrote:

IOW, it's broken.  :-)

On 6/25/17 5:24 AM, Philip Jackson wrote:

Hi,

I'm using LO 5.1.6.2  in UbuntuStudio 16.04.2 LTS

I never used to have a problem setting up labels on a custom brand of A4
sized label sheet. But in the current version I'm using, when I come to
setting up a custom label, the standard user sheet size is 10.00 x 10.00
cms. Trying to reset that to A4 size (21.00cm x 29.7 cm) also gets me
funny numbers not exactly random but either 10.00 x 10.00 or 56.00 x
56.00. There is no option for A4 or any other standard sheet size.

After much fiddling, I got it set up by :

1. setting page dimensions to 21.00 and 29.70 by using the spinners

2. setting the label width to 7.00 by putting the cursor in the
horizontal pitch box and spinning the number down from the default of
10.00 to 7.00 - this takes the label width box down in parallel

3. setting the label width to 4.20 by putting the cursor in the vertical
pitch box and spinning the number down from the default of 10.00 to 4.20
- this takes the label height box down in parallel

4. setting up 3 columns
5. setting up 7 rows
6. leaving left margin and top margin at the default of 0.00

If I try to set columns before setting up label width, the page size
changes to multiples of the column width - bringing the columns back
down to 1 doesn't take the paper width back to the carefully set value.

In steps 2 and 3, if I put the cursor directly in the width/height
boxes, this did not bring down the corresponding pitch boxes but they
could be brought down afterwards without difficulty other than the time
it takes.

Using the spinners is a bit like watching paint dry but once the cursor
is in the field, you can use the up / down arrows instead of the mouse.
Don't try a short cut of page up/ page down because that just resets the
page to 10.00 x 10.00 or 56.00 x 56.00

I was able to set my label user values like this and to save them
successfully.

Philip

On 21/06/17 18:28, Ken Springer wrote:

LO 5.2.7.2

I cannot find a way to create a label on 8.5 X 11 page labels, where the
label height is .67".  The sheet of labels is 15 rows by 4 columns.

Such a template would be compatible with the following Avery labels:
18195, 42895, 5155, 5195, 8195, 15695, 18695, 88695, 48335, 38667,
42995, 18294

Adding to this difficulty is the fact that when you try to type into the
input fields, apparently random numbers simply appear.

Known problem?






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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a custom label problem

[Ken Springer]

IOW, it's broken.  :-)

On 6/25/17 5:24 AM, Philip Jackson wrote:

Hi,

I'm using LO 5.1.6.2  in UbuntuStudio 16.04.2 LTS

I never used to have a problem setting up labels on a custom brand of A4
sized label sheet. But in the current version I'm using, when I come to
setting up a custom label, the standard user sheet size is 10.00 x 10.00
cms. Trying to reset that to A4 size (21.00cm x 29.7 cm) also gets me
funny numbers not exactly random but either 10.00 x 10.00 or 56.00 x
56.00. There is no option for A4 or any other standard sheet size.

After much fiddling, I got it set up by :

1. setting page dimensions to 21.00 and 29.70 by using the spinners

2. setting the label width to 7.00 by putting the cursor in the
horizontal pitch box and spinning the number down from the default of
10.00 to 7.00 - this takes the label width box down in parallel

3. setting the label width to 4.20 by putting the cursor in the vertical
pitch box and spinning the number down from the default of 10.00 to 4.20
- this takes the label height box down in parallel

4. setting up 3 columns
5. setting up 7 rows
6. leaving left margin and top margin at the default of 0.00

If I try to set columns before setting up label width, the page size
changes to multiples of the column width - bringing the columns back
down to 1 doesn't take the paper width back to the carefully set value.

In steps 2 and 3, if I put the cursor directly in the width/height
boxes, this did not bring down the corresponding pitch boxes but they
could be brought down afterwards without difficulty other than the time
it takes.

Using the spinners is a bit like watching paint dry but once the cursor
is in the field, you can use the up / down arrows instead of the mouse.
Don't try a short cut of page up/ page down because that just resets the
page to 10.00 x 10.00 or 56.00 x 56.00

I was able to set my label user values like this and to save them
successfully.

Philip

On 21/06/17 18:28, Ken Springer wrote:

LO 5.2.7.2

I cannot find a way to create a label on 8.5 X 11 page labels, where the
label height is .67".  The sheet of labels is 15 rows by 4 columns.

Such a template would be compatible with the following Avery labels:
18195, 42895, 5155, 5195, 8195, 15695, 18695, 88695, 48335, 38667,
42995, 18294

Adding to this difficulty is the fact that when you try to type into the
input fields, apparently random numbers simply appear.

Known problem?







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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a custom label problem

[Ken Springer]

It's my preferences, but I try not to do things online, since doing 
things at home are often faster than the lag I have doing things online. 
 Plus, if my internet goes down, I can still do the work.  


But I rarely have the need for a high end printer.  :-)

On 6/25/17 4:51 AM, Bruce Hohl wrote:

If you go to the Avery.com site and create an account you can use their
online label tool.  It's fairly easy to use and allows you to save your
"projects" for future use.  I printed the result to PDF and used the PDF to
create labels as needed.  It's helpful to have access to a high end printer
(like at work) which can feed the label stock more precisely than the
inexpensive printers typically used at home.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com> wrote:


Hi, gordon,

Thanks for the suggestion.

I just looked, and there is no Mac specific download for it.  I have the
impression that a lot of Linux/Unix software will run on the Mac, but I
don't know how to do that level of installations.

Doing it doesn't really turn me on anyway.  LO


On 6/22/17 10:46 PM, gordon cooper wrote:


Hi Ken,

Unsure if 'glabels' will run on your Mac but it have does templates
for the Avery 15 x 4  series.

Goer


On 23/06/17 14:25, Ken Springer wrote:


Hi, Remy,

Or, you could just create a table of 15 rows, and do the height
adjustment for all rows at once.  

Then, there's the option of using the Avery template that's available,
but I think it requires the Avery software.  I did not investigate
that option.

Or, you can do what I did.  I used a different program that had one of
the Avery labels in the list, and got it done.  




On 6/22/17 6:57 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:


HI,

You are right. The fields for user-defined layouts seem to adjust
themselves randomly (looks like a validation problem where the value
that is entered is validated before the cursor leaves the field). The
only way I was able to create something that looks like what you are
looking for is to:

1) Create an empty document.
2) Adjust the page margins to match the cutout locations of your Avery
label sheet (Format -> Page -> Page).
3) Insert a 1 row/4 column table that has no headers and no borders; if
your margins are correctly set, the table should now occupy the full
usable width of the page and each cell should be of the correct width.
4) Adjust the height of your row by right-clicking in a cell and
selecting "Size" -> Row Height. Set it to 0.67 inch.
5) Once this is done, go to the rightmost cell and insert a new row by
hitting TAB (the new row will be of the same height as the first one).
Do this until you have the correct number of rows on your page.

You may need to play with the Spacing to Content (Table -> Properties
-> Borders) of the cells to position the text inside the cells so it
stays clear of the cutout lines.

Not fantasticly user friendly but it should do the job.

I hope this helps.

Rémy Gauthier.

Le mercredi 21 juin 2017 à 10:28 -0600, Ken Springer a écrit :


LO 5.2.7.2

I cannot find a way to create a label on 8.5 X 11 page labels, where



the



label height is .67".  The sheet of labels is 15 rows by 4 columns.

Such a template would be compatible with the following Avery labels:
18195, 42895, 5155, 5195, 8195, 15695, 18695, 88695, 48335, 38667,
42995, 18294

Adding to this difficulty is the fact that when you try to type into



the



input fields, apparently random numbers simply appear.

Known problem?









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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a custom label problem

[Ken Springer]

Hi, gordon,

Thanks for the suggestion.

I just looked, and there is no Mac specific download for it.  I have the 
impression that a lot of Linux/Unix software will run on the Mac, but I 
don't know how to do that level of installations.


Doing it doesn't really turn me on anyway.  LO


On 6/22/17 10:46 PM, gordon cooper wrote:

Hi Ken,

Unsure if 'glabels' will run on your Mac but it have does templates
for the Avery 15 x 4  series.

Goer


On 23/06/17 14:25, Ken Springer wrote:

Hi, Remy,

Or, you could just create a table of 15 rows, and do the height
adjustment for all rows at once.  

Then, there's the option of using the Avery template that's available,
but I think it requires the Avery software.  I did not investigate
that option.

Or, you can do what I did.  I used a different program that had one of
the Avery labels in the list, and got it done.  




On 6/22/17 6:57 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:

HI,

You are right. The fields for user-defined layouts seem to adjust
themselves randomly (looks like a validation problem where the value
that is entered is validated before the cursor leaves the field). The
only way I was able to create something that looks like what you are
looking for is to:

1) Create an empty document.
2) Adjust the page margins to match the cutout locations of your Avery
label sheet (Format -> Page -> Page).
3) Insert a 1 row/4 column table that has no headers and no borders; if
your margins are correctly set, the table should now occupy the full
usable width of the page and each cell should be of the correct width.
4) Adjust the height of your row by right-clicking in a cell and
selecting "Size" -> Row Height. Set it to 0.67 inch.
5) Once this is done, go to the rightmost cell and insert a new row by
hitting TAB (the new row will be of the same height as the first one).
Do this until you have the correct number of rows on your page.

You may need to play with the Spacing to Content (Table -> Properties
-> Borders) of the cells to position the text inside the cells so it
stays clear of the cutout lines.

Not fantasticly user friendly but it should do the job.

I hope this helps.

Rémy Gauthier.

Le mercredi 21 juin 2017 à 10:28 -0600, Ken Springer a écrit :

LO 5.2.7.2


I cannot find a way to create a label on 8.5 X 11 page labels, where

the

label height is .67".  The sheet of labels is 15 rows by 4 columns.

Such a template would be compatible with the following Avery labels:
18195, 42895, 5155, 5195, 8195, 15695, 18695, 88695, 48335, 38667,
42995, 18294


Adding to this difficulty is the fact that when you try to type into

the

input fields, apparently random numbers simply appear.

Known problem?









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[libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a custom label problem

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Remy,

Or, you could just create a table of 15 rows, and do the height 
adjustment for all rows at once.  


Then, there's the option of using the Avery template that's available, 
but I think it requires the Avery software.  I did not investigate that 
option.


Or, you can do what I did.  I used a different program that had one of 
the Avery labels in the list, and got it done.  





On 6/22/17 6:57 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:

HI,

You are right. The fields for user-defined layouts seem to adjust
themselves randomly (looks like a validation problem where the value
that is entered is validated before the cursor leaves the field). The
only way I was able to create something that looks like what you are
looking for is to:

1) Create an empty document.
2) Adjust the page margins to match the cutout locations of your Avery
label sheet (Format -> Page -> Page).
3) Insert a 1 row/4 column table that has no headers and no borders; if
your margins are correctly set, the table should now occupy the full
usable width of the page and each cell should be of the correct width.
4) Adjust the height of your row by right-clicking in a cell and
selecting "Size" -> Row Height. Set it to 0.67 inch.
5) Once this is done, go to the rightmost cell and insert a new row by
hitting TAB (the new row will be of the same height as the first one).
Do this until you have the correct number of rows on your page.

You may need to play with the Spacing to Content (Table -> Properties
-> Borders) of the cells to position the text inside the cells so it
stays clear of the cutout lines.

Not fantasticly user friendly but it should do the job.

I hope this helps.

Rémy Gauthier.

Le mercredi 21 juin 2017 à 10:28 -0600, Ken Springer a écrit :

LO 5.2.7.2


I cannot find a way to create a label on 8.5 X 11 page labels, where

the

label height is .67".  The sheet of labels is 15 rows by 4 columns.

Such a template would be compatible with the following Avery labels:
18195, 42895, 5155, 5195, 8195, 15695, 18695, 88695, 48335, 38667,
42995, 18294


Adding to this difficulty is the fact that when you try to type into

the

input fields, apparently random numbers simply appear.

Known problem?



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[libreoffice-users] Creating a custom label problem

[Ken Springer]

LO 5.2.7.2

I cannot find a way to create a label on 8.5 X 11 page labels, where the 
label height is .67".  The sheet of labels is 15 rows by 4 columns.


Such a template would be compatible with the following Avery labels: 
18195, 42895, 5155, 5195, 8195, 15695, 18695, 88695, 48335, 38667, 
42995, 18294


Adding to this difficulty is the fact that when you try to type into the 
input fields, apparently random numbers simply appear.


Known problem?



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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

[Ken Springer]

That's OK, Virgil,

I hope you saw my reply to Tim--Kracked whatever that his instructions 
worked great.


Ken

On 11/6/16 4:44 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

Ken,

Every version of a Linux distribution has a codename. Ubuntu 14.04 is
codenamed "Trusty" I assume that is what your error message is referring
to, which makes no sense to me. I used that very PPA to install LO
5.1.6.2 to my Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) system.

This has gotten way beyond my level of experience. I've run out of
ideas, but I wonder if there are other issues with your computer beyond
LO. Every method you have tried has failed, which makes me wonder if
there's something amiss in your Mint installation itself. But, at this
point, I'm truly just speculating.

Good luck.

Virgil


On 11/06/2016 04:48 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

Hi, Virgil,

I've snipped the other parts of the message I'm replying to.

On 11/4/16 7:37 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

If it were me, I would try Method 1. Mint is based on Ubuntu and I
believe it uses the same PPAs


I just got to trying your suggestion for method 1.  That didn't work
either.  :-(

I got a message that says "This PPA does not support Trusty." Don't
know what Trusty means, but I'm going to take this over to the Linux
Mint forums to solve the problem.

We're getting a bit far afield from Libre Office.  

Thanks for the help.








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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

[Ken Springer]

On 10/31/16 11:45 AM, M Henri Day wrote:

2016-10-31 18:13 GMT+01:00 Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>:


Hi, Henri,

On 10/30/16 1:12 PM, M Henri Day wrote:



​Ken, instructions for upgrading Linux Mint 17.3 to Linux Mint 18 - if

that's what you're after - are found here :
https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2316. They worked very well
for me



For the time being, I'm going to stay with 17.3 until I understand it
better.  But I created a LiveCD for 18, and may install it on an old laptop
I have here in the future.

For the moment, I'm just trying to solve this issue of printing from LO
Calc on my Samsung laser.

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Hullo Ken !

There's a lot of wisdom in the old aphorism to the effect that if it ain't
broke, don't fix it​, and Mint 17.3 works very well - even if I myself find
Mint 18 just a little bit better.


I scrounged an old 2005 Dell Inspiron and installed 18 with the XFCE 
desktop today.  I like that interface if I'm the one using it.  But for 
beginners, I still think the Cinnamon desktop might be easier to grasp 
for newbies to computers.



In any event, someone on the Linux Mint
Forum for printers and scanners (
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewforum.php?f=51) might be able to suggest
solutions for the specific problems you're having printing from LO Calc on
your Samsung laser printer - perhaps worth a try ?...


Well, 5.1.5 didn't solve the problem.  But I almost never use a 
spreadsheet, so I'm not going to worry about it for now.



With regard to easily keeping your installation of LO updated on Mint, you
might want to consider installing the PPA (
https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa). I can confirm that
it works like a charm, and you don't have to download and install the .deb
files yourself !...

Henri




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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

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On 11/1/16 7:55 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 10/31/2016 06:53 PM, gordon cooper wrote:



On 01/11/16 09:16, Robert Großkopf wrote:

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Hi Tim,

What I do is unpack the install files [I use .deb files] and place
them all in a temporary folder I call "lib".  Nice and simple, I
have that folder in the "home" folder called "timothy".

This will give me "/home/timothy/lib" while using the file manager
  package [on Mint] called "Caja".


Then I use the "Mate Terminal" [default command line for the MATE
desktop GUI]

This is my starting point for this laptop - yours will look
different since you will not have the same laptop and user name.
This is the default user folder for my laptop.

timothy@Gateway-NE56R12u:~$

I type in "cd lib"

timothy@Gateway-NE56R12u:~$ cd lib

I get this folder shown

timothy@Gateway-NE56R12u:~/lib$

At this point I use this command to install all of the .deb files
from that folder. I tend to place both the language and help .deb
files - if needed - in a different folder like lib2.

sudo dpkg -i *.deb

This will prompt me to five my superuser password.  Then it will
start a "long" install process for all of the .deb files in the
folder. The RPM system would have some different names for the
commands I use for the DEB based Linux OS [ I use Ubuntu with Mate
desktop]

So, if you have a folder off your home folder [or directory] with
the name of "lib" [home/timothy/lib], the command line is a very
easy route.

cd lib

sudo dpkg -i *.deb


After looking for this in the web I would make it the same way you
have described here. It's a little bit different to the tool, which is
delivered with OpenSuSE for system-managing with YAST, but it will
work well.
Don't know how to add a dircetory as repository in other sytems. But
with OpenSUSE it works well.

Regards

Robert




This installation method all looks overly complicated to me, and is one
of the reasons that I swapped over to MX-Linux where the system comes
as a package with installation instructions/prompts included. Plus the
bonus
that the User Manual can be read/downloaded beforehand.

Gordon.



[pardon me for issues in this text, since I have not slept much in the
past week]

I can find free ebooks for Ubuntu that have a lot of info about how to
install and run Ubuntu.

I keep the install commands in a "sticky note" on my laptop's display.


I've got a small text file called "Useful Linux commands", one of which 
lets you access a Mac formatted HD.



Actually I have "heard", from one of the email lists I read, of someone
made a singles script to run that allows people to do all of the
commands needed to install LO with needed prompts for password and
yes/no.  The only scripting I do is for the backups my internal 6.25 TB
of data files to USB external drives. I need 6+ "rsync" commands to do
the type of complex I need to make sure many of my folders have 4+
copies of many audio/video files and photo folders.  This way I make
sure all my digital photos and videos taken/recorded since 2005.  Same
with other files/content I want/need to keep. Many I cannot find online
anymore.

For the other parts of this thread, I do not use a PPA for LibreOffice,
since I want to have the option to upgrade or downgrade LO when I want
to.  I have used PPAs in the past and have a few as well.  For the users
that do not install a PPA into the repository, most have instructions
how to install it.

I used OpenSUSE on a system that originally shipped with a paid version
ending with "SUSE".  After a while it was switched to Ubuntu.  I have
never heard anything about MX-Linux.  I have used Ubuntu as my main OS
since 2009. I chose Linux for the free software that was getting too
expensive to buy what I needed for Windows XP and later Win7.






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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

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On 10/31/16 1:53 PM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 10/31/2016 01:08 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

Hi, Robert,

On 10/30/16 12:33 PM, Robert Großkopf wrote:

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For every installation on linux you could
- - install as root/SuperUser
- - install as user in your own directory

Install as root/SuperUser:
1. Upack the files you downloaded (program, help, language)
2. Create a directory which you could call as you want (local_sources)
3. Move the *.deb-packages (or *.rpm-packages) to this directory
4. Use your install-program and add the directory as a local source
for your installer.
5. Now you could choose the directory with your installer and could
install all packages from there.


I did OK until step 4, and then my lack of basic Linux knowledge
reared it's ugly head.  ROFL

In Mint 17.3, under Administration I see Software Manager, Software
Sources, and Synaptic Package Manager.  But in none of those do I
recognize anything that lets me point to folder I created.  I.E. a
point and click method.  Is one of these the "install-program" you are
referring to?

Would the folder I created now be called a repository?  If so, do I
input the complete path?  Which means I need to learn how Linux
structures pathnames.

Where can a find a truly beginner's guide for this type of
information? I've noticed over the years that many "beginners"
articles are not truly beginners articles at all, the articles already
assume some basic level of knowledge.  Knowledge that does not always
exist.  :-(



I do not get what is being said in 4 and 5 as well.

What I do is unpack the install files [I use .deb files] and place them
all in a temporary folder I call "lib".  Nice and simple, I have that
folder in the "home" folder called "timothy".

This will give me "/home/timothy/lib" while using the file manager
package [on Mint] called "Caja".


Then I use the "Mate Terminal" [default command line for the MATE
desktop GUI]

This is my starting point for this laptop - yours will look different
since you will not have the same laptop and user name. This is the
default user folder for my laptop.

 timothy@Gateway-NE56R12u:~$

I type in "cd lib"

 timothy@Gateway-NE56R12u:~$ cd lib

I get this folder shown

 timothy@Gateway-NE56R12u:~/lib$

At this point I use this command to install all of the .deb files from
that folder. I tend to place both the language and help .deb files - if
needed - in a different folder like lib2.

 sudo dpkg -i *.deb

This will prompt me to five my superuser password.  Then it will start a
"long" install process for all of the .deb files in the folder. The RPM
system would have some different names for the commands I use for the
DEB based Linux OS [ I use Ubuntu with Mate desktop]

So, if you have a folder off your home folder [or directory] with the
name of "lib" [home/timothy/lib], the command line is a very easy route.

 cd lib

 sudo dpkg -i *.deb


Hot diggety doo dah!   It worked!  Now I won't have to go to the 
Linux Mint forums.


Thanks, Tim.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Robert,

I went to the link you provided, and followed the instructions for 
Graphic Installation.  I thought I'd done something wrong, but don't 
think I did.


Every deb package gave me a message the dependency was not satisfiable, 
or something like that.  So I don't know what went wrong.


As I told Virgil Arrington, I'll go to the Linux Mint forums and find 
out how to get this done.


Thanks for the help.


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Hi Ken,


I will have a look, if I find something special for your
situation.


Couldn't find a clear description for this problem when looking for
Mint. But when I am looking for installing LO with Linux I found this:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Linux

Regards

Robert
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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

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Hi, Virgil,

I've snipped the other parts of the message I'm replying to.

On 11/4/16 7:37 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

If it were me, I would try Method 1. Mint is based on Ubuntu and I
believe it uses the same PPAs


I just got to trying your suggestion for method 1.  That didn't work 
either.  :-(


I got a message that says "This PPA does not support Trusty."  Don't 
know what Trusty means, but I'm going to take this over to the Linux 
Mint forums to solve the problem.


We're getting a bit far afield from Libre Office.  

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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

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On 11/4/16 7:37 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

As I said before, I don't use Mint and claim no Mint or Linux expertise.
I'm just an average Ubuntu user learning my way through. And, even then,
my Ubuntu relationship is love/hate. When it works I love it; when it
doesn't I wipe it off my computer and go back to Windows. After getting
tired of how slow Windows is, I then reinstall Ubuntu and try again.


LOL!!!  I meet a lot of users who don't like where Windows is going, 
including me.  Sadly, Apple has picked up the idea of forcing an upgrade 
to the OS whether you like it or not.  Fortunately for me, my hardware 
just became too old to support Sierra.



If it were me, I would try Method 1. Mint is based on Ubuntu and I
believe it uses the same PPAs. Someone on this list confirmed that in
response to my earlier message, but I sadly deleted the email before
remembering his name. From what I understand, Method 1 and Method 2 do
exactly the same thing. Method 1 is more "manual" and Method 2 uses a
GUI, but either way, you're adding a repository and updating the system.
Once you get comfortable with using a terminal, Method 1 is certainly
easier and faster.


Going with Method 1 was my next plan, depending upon your thoughts.

I don't mind the Terminal, I just don't know any of the commands to 
speak of.



But to cover my butt, I'll advise you to check with someone who actually
uses Mint, perhaps the earlier poster here or someone on the Mint forum.


I'm not using Mint for anything at all other than trying to find the 
time to learn it.  I think that eventually that's the way I'll go when 
upgrading.


Ken




Good luck.

Virgil


On 11/03/2016 10:38 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 10/31/16 6:45 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

Here's how I did it with Ubuntu 14.04LTS. I imagine it might work
with Mint, which is based on Ubuntu.


Method 1

I opened a command line terminal (With Ubuntu, it's Ctrl-Alt-t).

I typed in the following commands, hitting  after each line.

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-5-1

sudo apt-get update

After typing in the first line, you'll be prompted for your user
password. The first line adds the repository for LO 5.1.x. The second
line automatically updates your system to use it.


Method 2

You can do the same thing through Synaptic Package Manager. Open
Synaptic and click on Settings and then Repositories. In the
Repositories dialog, click on Other Software, then click Add. Then
type in ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-5-1 and click Add Source. You
will be prompted to reload your software sources. Once you do that,
you can click Mark All Upgrades. Synaptic will mark the LO packages
that are to be updated. Click Apply and you'll be upgraded.

Again, I've used both methods with Ubuntu. That said, I am not by any
means an experienced Linux user. I tend to use Synaptic for all my
software installation needs. I've never downloaded and installed a
*.deb file. Instructions for these methods are found at:

https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-5-1.

I don't know enough about Mint to know if it will work properly, but
since Mint is based on Ubuntu, I tend to believe it will.

Virgil


Hi, Virgil,

Method 2 does not work for me.  Theory, the Synaptic Package Manager
in 17.3 is a bit different than what you have seen.  The exact steps
you mentioned can't be done, and I made my "best guess" as to the
correct selections I see in 17.3 here.  What I've ended up with is a
cursor that indicates things are locked up.  On my Mac, it would be
the "spinning beach ball of death", in Windows the endless rotating
hourglass cursor.  LOL

I can hop over to the Linux Mint forums about this if that is your
suggestion.  Or I can go ahead and try Method 1.

For others following this thread, I have a number of messages flagged
to reply to, but I want to work with Method 2 and see if I can get it
to work before replying to the flagged messages.









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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

[Ken Springer]

On 10/31/16 6:45 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

Here's how I did it with Ubuntu 14.04LTS. I imagine it might work with Mint, 
which is based on Ubuntu.


Method 1

I opened a command line terminal (With Ubuntu, it's Ctrl-Alt-t).

I typed in the following commands, hitting  after each line.

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-5-1

sudo apt-get update

After typing in the first line, you'll be prompted for your user password. The 
first line adds the repository for LO 5.1.x. The second line automatically 
updates your system to use it.


Method 2

You can do the same thing through Synaptic Package Manager. Open Synaptic and 
click on Settings and then Repositories. In the Repositories dialog, click on 
Other Software, then click Add. Then type in ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-5-1 
and click Add Source. You will be prompted to reload your software sources. 
Once you do that, you can click Mark All Upgrades. Synaptic will mark the LO 
packages that are to be updated. Click Apply and you'll be upgraded.

Again, I've used both methods with Ubuntu. That said, I am not by any means an 
experienced Linux user. I tend to use Synaptic for all my software installation 
needs. I've never downloaded and installed a *.deb file. Instructions for these 
methods are found at:

https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-5-1.

I don't know enough about Mint to know if it will work properly, but since Mint 
is based on Ubuntu, I tend to believe it will.

Virgil


Hi, Virgil,

Method 2 does not work for me.  Theory, the Synaptic Package Manager in 
17.3 is a bit different than what you have seen.  The exact steps you 
mentioned can't be done, and I made my "best guess" as to the correct 
selections I see in 17.3 here.  What I've ended up with is a cursor that 
indicates things are locked up.  On my Mac, it would be the "spinning 
beach ball of death", in Windows the endless rotating hourglass cursor.  LOL


I can hop over to the Linux Mint forums about this if that is your 
suggestion.  Or I can go ahead and try Method 1.


For others following this thread, I have a number of messages flagged to 
reply to, but I want to work with Method 2 and see if I can get it to 
work before replying to the flagged messages.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Adding Watermarks

[Ken Springer]

On 11/1/16 8:04 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 10/31/2016 10:50 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 10/31/16 7:10 PM, toki wrote:

On 31/10/2016 21:47, Ken Springer wrote:


Thanks, Dave, but it's not necessary.  I have few docs to do that
need a "Draft" watermark, then I don't think I'll need it again in the


Going forward, you can abuse the classification system, by selecting
"Internal Only" as the classification. This will add a header, footer,
and diagonal message across every page, that says "This content is
marked Internal Only. Do not distribute it outside of the business." or
an abridgment thereof.

On second thoughts, it might be less scary to simply create a
classification "Draft", with slightly more appropriate messages,
displayed in a less in-your-face manner.


I don't know anything about the classification system, but it sounds
like something that's not necessary in my case.

I learned long ago, never proofread your own writing!   LOL These are
small condensed 1 page informational sheets for customers to help them
know more about their computers.  The watermark is simply to prevent
the wrong copy from being printed and then handed out.


Would having a DRAFT document[s] that you could open every time you want
to start working with.  Then you remove the DRAFT watermark once
document is finished. I have done this a few times over the years.  It
is great for working with a document that is edited then emailed to a
coworker, and then it is sent around to some other "editors" before it
gets back up the original worker.


Templates are great things.  But I don't see my need for a "draft" 
template to be an open ended need.


The docs are mostly 1 page, so I just load the last doc from recent docs 
in the LO menu, immediately save it with a new name, delete only the 
contents that will change, and go on.  This also eliminates having to 
drill down to the folder that contains the docs too.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Adding Watermarks

[Ken Springer]

On 10/31/16 7:10 PM, toki wrote:

On 31/10/2016 21:47, Ken Springer wrote:


Thanks, Dave, but it's not necessary.  I have few docs to do that need a 
"Draft" watermark, then I don't think I'll need it again in the


Going forward, you can abuse the classification system, by selecting
"Internal Only" as the classification. This will add a header, footer,
and diagonal message across every page, that says "This content is
marked Internal Only. Do not distribute it outside of the business." or
an abridgment thereof.

On second thoughts, it might be less scary to simply create a
classification "Draft", with slightly more appropriate messages,
displayed in a less in-your-face manner.


I don't know anything about the classification system, but it sounds 
like something that's not necessary in my case.


I learned long ago, never proofread your own writing!   LOL   These are 
small condensed 1 page informational sheets for customers to help them 
know more about their computers.  The watermark is simply to prevent the 
wrong copy from being printed and then handed out.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Adding Watermarks

[Ken Springer]

On 10/31/16 2:21 PM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:



On 26/10/16 06:18, Ken Springer wrote:

LO 5.1.5, Windows 7

The help file says to go to Format -  Page and select the background
tab.  Then it says "On the background tab page...".

Unfortunately, no such tab exists.

I'm assuming they've moved the feature to somewhere else?


If it helps at all I have created a template with watermarks good to go:

https://www.apertura.co.nz/libreofficewatermarks


Thanks, Dave, but it's not necessary.  I have few docs to do that need a 
"Draft" watermark, then I don't think I'll need it again in the 
foreseeable future.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

[Ken Springer]

On 10/31/16 11:45 AM, M Henri Day wrote:

2016-10-31 18:13 GMT+01:00 Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>:


Hi, Henri,

On 10/30/16 1:12 PM, M Henri Day wrote:



​Ken, instructions for upgrading Linux Mint 17.3 to Linux Mint 18 - if

that's what you're after - are found here :
https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2316. They worked very well
for me



For the time being, I'm going to stay with 17.3 until I understand it
better.  But I created a LiveCD for 18, and may install it on an old laptop
I have here in the future.

For the moment, I'm just trying to solve this issue of printing from LO
Calc on my Samsung laser.

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​
Hullo Ken !

There's a lot of wisdom in the old aphorism to the effect that if it ain't
broke, don't fix it​,


And if Microsoft would only listen...   LOL


and Mint 17.3 works very well - even if I myself find
Mint 18 just a little bit better. In any event, someone on the Linux Mint
Forum for printers and scanners (
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewforum.php?f=51) might be able to suggest
solutions for the specific problems you're having printing from LO Calc on
your Samsung laser printer - perhaps worth a try ?...


I registered there soon after starting with Mint.  I don't post much 
because I don't get to "play" with Linux much.


In this case, things seem to be pointing to LO, and I want to eliminate 
that possibility before looking at another possible cause.



With regard to easily keeping your installation of LO updated on Mint, you
might want to consider installing the PPA (
https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa). I can confirm that
it works like a charm, and you don't have to download and install the .deb
files yourself !...


Hopefully, after some help from Robert Großkopf I'll be able to do that.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

[Ken Springer]

On 10/30/16 2:16 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:

On 10/30/2016 10:56 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 10/29/16 8:04 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:

On 10/29/2016 06:52 PM, gordon cooper wrote:

Hi again Ken,
   There is some odd going on here. I don't use LO
very
often, most of my writing is done with Lyx, which then outputs as a
PDF and I print from there.  Have just looked at LO and found that
when it was asked to print, to either my little  Brother laser,or an
elderly HP Deskjet, the landscape paper option was greyed out,
just like yours.  These results came on a desktop, running MX-15
Linux.  Looked as if LO was deciding that the files would fit onto
portrait and not giving me the option to change.

I'll do some more digging. Think I have LO on a laptop with XP,
will dig it out .Perhaps somebody else will pop upon the forum
with an answer.

Gordon



This was brought out in an earlier thread.  Go to Print -> options tab
and check "Use only paper size from printer preferences."

That should enable paper sizes and orientation selection in the print
dialog.


It does not.  :-(

However, I discovered I can go to the printer's defaults, and set
landscape there, choose the "Use only..." setting in LO, and I get the
landscape layout when the spreadsheet is printed.

What I'm taking away from this is, it is a problem with LO 5.0.x that
comes with Mint 17.3 Rosa.

So I still need to go somewhere to find out how I install the current
version after I have it downloaded.

Thanks for the help and suggestions, everyone.



Yes, you must select landscape in LO (Format -> Page)  to format the
document/page and you must select landscape in the print dialog to
select the printer paper size/orientation.  If you don't then you get
the symptoms you described in your OP.  This is not a bug.  It makes
good sense.


Agreed.  Only problem is, it doesn't work for me at the moment with the 
default LO in Mint 17.3  :-(



The grayed out paper size/orientation in the print dialog I responded
to, is a separate issue brought up by Gordon and seemed to have started
with LO 5.x.  Don't know about 4.x.  LO 3.x did not exhibit this
"feature" AFAIK.  OpenOffice 4.x does not exhibit this either, but then
it is a different beast now.
Girvin






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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

[Ken Springer]

On 10/30/16 11:02 PM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 10/29/2016 09:22 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 10/29/16 6:40 PM, gordon cooper wrote:



On 30/10/16 13:22, Ken Springer wrote:

Trying to learn a bit about Linux, as well as solve a printing issue
with LO in Linux Mint 17.3.  The printer is a Samsung CLP-315 color
laser.

When printing a spreadsheet, and selecting landscape, LO prints
landscape, but to paper that is still portrait.  Sort of like this...


| |
| |
..
..
..
|___|

The dots represent the data that is trying to be printed.

If I set the paper to portrait, this is the result.  All the data is
printed.


| |
| |
...
...
...
|___|


My suspicion is the printer driver, but I would like to install the
current Linux stable version.  Mint installs 5.0.3.2, which is the
current version in the repository, from what I can see.

I know it's somewhat apples to oranges, but the same spreadsheet works
fine on my Mac with the current version of LO.

Once I've downloaded the current version, where to I go from there?


Hi Ken,


Hi, Gordon,


  There  any many versions of Linux, just look at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
to see.


Oh, yea, I know. I go peek at distrtowatch.com now and again.  And
I've played with a number of LiveCD's to get a quick look at the ones
that looked interesting to me.


If you are wishing to stay with Mint, then take a look at their
home page. There plenty are of good options and
you will find that people have their preferences and tend to stay with
them.


I joined their forums 4-5 months ago.  And I got some suggestions
about using PPA's other than Linux Mint.  Just haven't had the time to
get to that.  But that doesn't mean the latest stable version is in
any of those PPA's.

FYI, this printing problem has cropped up a couple weeks ago.  I asked
in the forums a couple months ago.

Right now I'm using Mint with the Cinnamon desktop, looking for some
alternative to Windows and Macs that look simpler to tackle for
seniors and other "computer illiterate" folks.  Something they may
find easier to learn.  Secondarily, some of these individuals may have
unsupported versions of operating systems, but can't afford to buy a
new system. Or, they may not have one and can't afford one, but older
hardware can be salvaged and the system given to them.



On old XP systems, I tend to replace Windows with Ubuntu with Mint as
the desktop.  It was the closest to what I saw with Ubuntu's desktop for
9.x.x thru 10.10.x

It works well for XP users, in my test with friends.


Is it Ubuntu that works well for your friends, or the Mint desktop?  My 
reason for using Mint is the Cinnamon environment seemed to provide the 
simplest user interface for new to Linux or new to computers users to 
understand.



I use MX-Linux, which is based on
Debian, like MInt,  and is a mid sized but very stable operating system.
MX has LO built in.



I use to use Linux Mint, but had too many issues with networked Canon
inkjet printers.

So I installed Ubuntu again, since I could find the Mint desktop for
it.  Now Ubuntu has a distro with Mint as a default instead of adding it
after Unity desktop opens up.

Also, when I was using Linux Mint, I could not easily upgrade to the
newest version.

Ubuntu tries to keep its repository up-to-date with the latest stable
version of LO.  I am running Ubuntu 16.04 with Mint.  I am using LO
5.2.1.2 on this laptop, but plan on upgrading it soon. Since I have been
using Ubuntu since the 9.x.x days on my main desktop.  I have tried a
few others on other laptops/desktops.  I chose Ubuntu since it was the
only Live CD that worked on my old HP desktop's sound card right from
that CD.  Right now this laptop, and my spare, run both Ubuntu 16.04 and
Windows 10,





Mint also has LO built in.


Where you setting your portrait/landscape option, in LO?


Been switching between them in Calc, in this case.  When I stumbled on
this problem today, I also tried Writer, same problem.

But, in the printer's properties, I can't switch from landscape to
portrait.  The option is greyed out.

I've even tried reversing the page dimensions, to no avail.



Are you sure it is a MX670?
If so, what country did you get it from.
I do not see it listed in the Canon support for the USA.


My bad, Tim, I typed the model from memory.  Sorry.

It's an MX 870 from the US.


Calc printed fine to a Canon MX-670 (I think that's the right printer)
when the printer was first installed.  Then it broke for some unknown
reason.  It would print about 1.25" of data, and then be paused.
Resume the printing, and another 1.25" would print. Removing the
printer and reinstalling (although I might not have done it corr

[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Henri,

On 10/30/16 1:12 PM, M Henri Day wrote:




​Ken, instructions for upgrading Linux Mint 17.3 to Linux Mint 18 - if
that's what you're after - are found here :
https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2316. They worked very well
for me


For the time being, I'm going to stay with 17.3 until I understand it 
better.  But I created a LiveCD for 18, and may install it on an old 
laptop I have here in the future.


For the moment, I'm just trying to solve this issue of printing from LO 
Calc on my Samsung laser.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Robert,

On 10/30/16 12:33 PM, Robert Großkopf wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-





For every installation on linux you could
- - install as root/SuperUser
- - install as user in your own directory

Install as root/SuperUser:
1. Upack the files you downloaded (program, help, language)
2. Create a directory which you could call as you want (local_sources)
3. Move the *.deb-packages (or *.rpm-packages) to this directory
4. Use your install-program and add the directory as a local source
for your installer.
5. Now you could choose the directory with your installer and could
install all packages from there.


I did OK until step 4, and then my lack of basic Linux knowledge reared 
it's ugly head.  ROFL


In Mint 17.3, under Administration I see Software Manager, Software 
Sources, and Synaptic Package Manager.  But in none of those do I 
recognize anything that lets me point to folder I created.  I.E. a point 
and click method.  Is one of these the "install-program" you are 
referring to?


Would the folder I created now be called a repository?  If so, do I 
input the complete path?  Which means I need to learn how Linux 
structures pathnames.


Where can a find a truly beginner's guide for this type of information? 
I've noticed over the years that many "beginners" articles are not truly 
beginners articles at all, the articles already assume some basic level 
of knowledge.  Knowledge that does not always exist.  :-(



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Embedding fonts in Writer

[Ken Springer]

On 10/31/16 8:54 AM, Ricardo wrote:

El 2016-10-31 15:45, Ken Springer escribió:

Can this be done yet?


File → Properties → Font tab


Thanks, Ricardo.

I thought I had seen it somewhere, but I was looking in the general 
setup, never thought about document properties.




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[libreoffice-users] Embedding fonts in Writer

[Ken Springer]

Can this be done yet?

If not, that's too bad.  :-(

And it's cramping my plans!  LOL

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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

[Ken Springer]

On 10/29/16 8:04 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:

On 10/29/2016 06:52 PM, gordon cooper wrote:

Hi again Ken,
   There is some odd going on here. I don't use LO
very
often, most of my writing is done with Lyx, which then outputs as a
PDF and I print from there.  Have just looked at LO and found that
when it was asked to print, to either my little  Brother laser,or an
elderly HP Deskjet, the landscape paper option was greyed out,
just like yours.  These results came on a desktop, running MX-15
Linux.  Looked as if LO was deciding that the files would fit onto
portrait and not giving me the option to change.

I'll do some more digging. Think I have LO on a laptop with XP,
will dig it out .Perhaps somebody else will pop upon the forum
with an answer.

Gordon



This was brought out in an earlier thread.  Go to Print -> options tab
and check "Use only paper size from printer preferences."

That should enable paper sizes and orientation selection in the print
dialog.


It does not.  :-(

However, I discovered I can go to the printer's defaults, and set 
landscape there, choose the "Use only..." setting in LO, and I get the 
landscape layout when the spreadsheet is printed.


What I'm taking away from this is, it is a problem with LO 5.0.x that 
comes with Mint 17.3 Rosa.


So I still need to go somewhere to find out how I install the current 
version after I have it downloaded.


Thanks for the help and suggestions, everyone.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: How do I install the current Linux version

[Ken Springer]

On 10/29/16 6:40 PM, gordon cooper wrote:



On 30/10/16 13:22, Ken Springer wrote:

Trying to learn a bit about Linux, as well as solve a printing issue
with LO in Linux Mint 17.3.  The printer is a Samsung CLP-315 color
laser.

When printing a spreadsheet, and selecting landscape, LO prints
landscape, but to paper that is still portrait.  Sort of like this...


| |
| |
..
..
..
|___|

The dots represent the data that is trying to be printed.

If I set the paper to portrait, this is the result.  All the data is
printed.


| |
| |
...
...
...
|___|


My suspicion is the printer driver, but I would like to install the
current Linux stable version.  Mint installs 5.0.3.2, which is the
current version in the repository, from what I can see.

I know it's somewhat apples to oranges, but the same spreadsheet works
fine on my Mac with the current version of LO.

Once I've downloaded the current version, where to I go from there?


Hi Ken,


Hi, Gordon,


  There  any many versions of Linux, just look at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
to see.


Oh, yea, I know. I go peek at distrtowatch.com now and again.  And I've 
played with a number of LiveCD's to get a quick look at the ones that 
looked interesting to me.



If you are wishing to stay with Mint, then take a look at their
home page. There plenty are of good options and
you will find that people have their preferences and tend to stay with
them.


I joined their forums 4-5 months ago.  And I got some suggestions about 
using PPA's other than Linux Mint.  Just haven't had the time to get to 
that.  But that doesn't mean the latest stable version is in any of 
those PPA's.


FYI, this printing problem has cropped up a couple weeks ago.  I asked 
in the forums a couple months ago.


Right now I'm using Mint with the Cinnamon desktop, looking for some 
alternative to Windows and Macs that look simpler to tackle for seniors 
and other "computer illiterate" folks.  Something they may find easier 
to learn.  Secondarily, some of these individuals may have unsupported 
versions of operating systems, but can't afford to buy a new system. 
Or, they may not have one and can't afford one, but older hardware can 
be salvaged and the system given to them.



I use MX-Linux, which is based on
Debian, like MInt,  and is a mid sized but very stable operating system.
MX has LO built in.


Mint also has LO built in.


Where you setting your portrait/landscape option, in LO?


Been switching between them in Calc, in this case.  When I stumbled on 
this problem today, I also tried Writer, same problem.


But, in the printer's properties, I can't switch from landscape to 
portrait.  The option is greyed out.


I've even tried reversing the page dimensions, to no avail.

Calc printed fine to a Canon MX-670 (I think that's the right printer) 
when the printer was first installed.  Then it broke for some unknown 
reason.  It would print about 1.25" of data, and then be paused.  Resume 
the printing, and another 1.25" would print.  Removing the printer and 
reinstalling (although I might not have done it correctly) failed to fix 
the issue.


I swapped the computer out (laptops both, same Linux version), and the 
other system also printed fine.  My conclusion was something went 
bonkers in the first computer.  I don't have the time currently to learn 
enough about Linux Mint to find the true cause, but installing is so 
easy, I'm just reinstalling Mint and I'm sure it will work fine once again.


OH!  And the RAM passed Memtest86, so that isn't the problem.  And the 
user of the computer isn't the most literate either. :-(  I've had to 
fix issues with the spreadsheet that were all data entry errors.


So finding out why it doesn't print to my laser is more 
curiosity/learning than anything else.



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[libreoffice-users] How do I install the current Linux version

[Ken Springer]

Trying to learn a bit about Linux, as well as solve a printing issue 
with LO in Linux Mint 17.3.  The printer is a Samsung CLP-315 color laser.


When printing a spreadsheet, and selecting landscape, LO prints 
landscape, but to paper that is still portrait.  Sort of like this...



| |
| |
..
..
..
|___|

The dots represent the data that is trying to be printed.

If I set the paper to portrait, this is the result.  All the data is 
printed.



| |
| |
...
...
...
|___|


My suspicion is the printer driver, but I would like to install the 
current Linux stable version.  Mint installs 5.0.3.2, which is the 
current version in the repository, from what I can see.


I know it's somewhat apples to oranges, but the same spreadsheet works 
fine on my Mac with the current version of LO.


Once I've downloaded the current version, where to I go from there?

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libra Office and MS Word compatibility query

[Ken Springer]

I realize I'm late to this conversation, but I take a completely 
different approach to the problem mentioned in  OP's post.


Unfortunately, it's breaking an old paradigm to team editing of 
documents, and it's tough to sell.


Everyone has programs they prefer.  Maybe Word, maybe Pages, maybe LO, 
maybe Abiword, etc.  They are used to them, and efficient with them. 
Let them use what they want.


To be efficient in getting the teamwork done, and to keep innumerable 
versions under control, only the original creator should modify the 
document.


For sending copies around to other team members for input, export/save 
the document in PDF file format, password protecting it so the recipient 
cannot directly modify it or copy/paste the contents.  Have the 
recipients use the PDF reader's annotation function to note the changes 
the recipient would like to see.  Save the annotated file with a 
modified filename, and return.  (Note, a filenaming convention also 
needs to be used.)


The OP can now sort through all the suggestions, and edit the original 
document as needed, combining the various versions from the recipients.





On 10/15/16 8:35 AM, Bruce Hohl wrote:

"with no glitches"

I think this can only be achieved if everyone can agree to only use a
specified file format (.doc, .docx, .rtf) and only [basic] features known
to work the same in both programs.  Perhaps one of the many online [basic]
word processors would be a better fit this situation.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 8:28 AM, m.a.riosv 
wrote:


Since LibreOffice 5.0 can be opened page files
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.0#New_import_filters
but don't expect warranties about everything will be perfect.

Every time that a file is converted, increase the options for issues, as
LibreOffice is available for Mac, IMO install LibreOffice on the Mac it's
the option to achieve the lower amount of issues.
Miguel Ángel.



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[libreoffice-users] Adding Watermarks

[Ken Springer]

LO 5.1.5, Windows 7

The help file says to go to Format -  Page and select the background 
tab.  Then it says "On the background tab page...".


Unfortunately, no such tab exists.

I'm assuming they've moved the feature to somewhere else?

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Document protection

[Ken Springer]

Thanks,  Robert.

On 10/17/16 12:11 PM, Robert Großkopf wrote:

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Hi Ken,



Once the form is created, and the info in the form is write
protected, save the file.  The mark the file as read only.  I
think that will force a name change when you try to save it.


I have just used *.pdf-forms for my children. Had to fill in all data,
had to save it, had to change it ... I could always write the new form
data over the old form data and the new form data would be saved. The
old data had been gone, if I won't chose "Copy save as", but only
"Save as".

I have created an example how to do this job with a Writer-file:
http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/download/Formular_ohne_DB.odt

It's in German language, but there is not much special German content.

You have to enable macro-executing for this file. The form should be
opened as write-protected. You could also write-protect it through
your system.

Fill in some content. If you press "Speichern" the file will be saved
as a *.pdf in the same directory as "Formular_ohne_DB.odt". The *.pdf
will be saved without a working form, so the content is (a little bit)
protected. The name of the file will be created from the field
"Vorname". Best would be the name is created in a database by an ID,
which is unique. So the exported files will all get different names.

Regards

Robert
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Document protection

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On 10/17/16 9:53 AM, Robert Großkopf wrote:

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Hi *,


So what I need, as I said in the original post, is a document
that will be "locked", but you can still complete the fields.
When that is accomplished, the file will be marked read only so
when it's saved with new information, a new filename will be
required.


I always use PDF fillable forms for this kind of thing...


Think this won't work. PDF-form-document could be saved more than one
times with the same name. The saving of the form must create a new
document, for example a *.pdf-file without form-elements.


Once the form is created, and the info in the form is write protected, 
save the file.  The mark the file as read only.  I think that will force 
a name change when you try to save it.



I would prefer a Wrtier-form-document, which should be
write-protected. You could write in the form-elements of the form, but
couldn't change it except you will save it as a new form with a new
name. If the form is filled a button should be pressed - the content
should be exported with macro to a separate *.pdf-document. Have made
something like this for the German Base-Handbook with reports of a
Base-document.

Regards

Robert

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Exporting a PDF file with fill in fields

[Ken Springer]

For now, I'm giving up on the PDF file.  Out of time.

The ODT file is usable, but not what is desired.

On 10/13/16 3:09 PM, anne-ology wrote:

   Click on the menu options ... scroll to 'save as' (if you wish it
saved on your machine)
  or 'send as' ->then your e-program should open ...
 if it doesn't, then open your e-program & either send the document
or the link to the document (if uploaded to one of these 'clouds' for that
purpose) to whomever.



From: Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 7:13 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Exporting a PDF file with fill in fields
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


I've just posted a message about document protection.

After I've got the document protection the way I wish, how do I export that
document as a PDF and retain the ability to have the fill in fields?





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Document protection

[Ken Springer]

Sorry for the late reply, anne-ology, I haven't been able to get back to 
this.


This is an internal use document only, so once it is finished, there 
will be no need to change the document, unless some needed modification 
is discovered later.


The fill in fields will be populated with information that changes with 
each ticket in our work order system.  I'm trying to prevent the form 
from becoming mangled unintentionally.


So what I need, as I said in the original post, is a document that will 
be "locked", but you can still complete the fields.  When that is 
accomplished, the file will be marked read only so when it's saved with 
new information, a new filename will be required.





On 10/13/16 3:03 PM, anne-ology wrote:

   You could add a password which should lock the document;
  then when the receiver reads the document, he should be able to
copy it to his machine, make any additions & send back to you;
 then you can make the changes to the table & re-send/upload.

   I don't know the details as to how this would work;
  whenever I upload anything, I always click on 'only those with
the link' can open which keeps prying roving eyes from seeing.

   Hoping this helps to some degree,



From: Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 7:11 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Document protection
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Windows 7 Ultimate
LO 5.1.5.2

I've created a document with a simple table.  In one column, each cell
contains a fill in field.

I want to protect the entire document from changes *except* the fields.

How can I do this?  I haven't found a way up to now.

Incidentally, the help file for cell protection does not match the program.





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[libreoffice-users] Exporting a PDF file with fill in fields

[Ken Springer]

I've just posted a message about document protection.

After I've got the document protection the way I wish, how do I export 
that document as a PDF and retain the ability to have the fill in fields?



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[libreoffice-users] Document protection

[Ken Springer]

Windows 7 Ultimate
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I've created a document with a simple table.  In one column, each cell 
contains a fill in field.


I want to protect the entire document from changes *except* the fields.

How can I do this?  I haven't found a way up to now.

Incidentally, the help file for cell protection does not match the program.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

[Ken Springer]

On 8/4/16 3:56 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:

On 08/04/2016 09:16 AM, toki wrote:

On 02/08/2016 16:39, Ken Springer wrote:

Now that you mentioned dBase, you may, or may not, be aware that LO has
a dBase option.  But a limitation to it that I found is that older

I didn't know this, but must admit dBase is probably not the best answer.

For most individuals, dBase3 is adequate. Perhaps a little slow, but
with current hardware, not spectacularly so. However, the major
stumbling block is that there is even less LibO documentation for it,
than there is for Base.

jonathon



I used dBase in the 80s and I must assume that since it still seems to
have a demand, that users are still out there and happy with it.  It did
have some nice features, such as the programming capability, which is
why I tried to import my files into LO rather than reinvent the wheel.
I suspect most of the users are "on the other side of the pond", since I
rarely hear of dBase users here in the US.  Then again, Fortran is still
active too.  It takes a long time for that flywheel to coast to a stop.

Girvin


dBase is still available, even an updated DOS version.

http://www.dbase.com/


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

[Ken Springer]

On 8/1/16 12:13 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:

On 07/31/2016 07:36 PM, Ken Springer wrote:


I understand the concept of Front End/Back End, but never have dealt
with it.  Nor have I ever used MySQL, Mariadb, or others.  Access and
a bit of dBase is all I've ever used, and in general, even then that's
more power than I've ever needed.


Ken,
Actually, IIRC, Access has both a client and server built in.  The user
isn't normally aware of it.  In my experience with Access 1.1, the
server is called the "Jet" server.  Today's Access may no longer use the
Jet server, but I am sure something like it is still in there
somewhere.  I must admit the Access bundled concept is addictive.  As a
newbie to databases back in the 90s, I liked it and it was a shock and a
learning experience to wean myself off of it and go with the industry
standard forms of client/server architecture and the SQL language.


You've just mentioned the big "roadblock" for the average person to make 
use of databases.  They are too complex to learn and use for most 
people.  That's where the "all-in-one" solution is a better answer. 
It's a lot easier for the average user to wrap their heads around and 
then use it.


What happens?  The average person fills up spreadsheet after spreadsheet 
of flat file data.  My brother-in-law is a perfect example.  Years ago, 
he was putting their music collection into a spreadsheet.  When the 
sheet got to large for RAM and his computer crashed, he started 
splitting into multiple spreadsheets.  But that made their goal of 
printing their entire collections of songs, alphabetized, impossible.  I 
took the spreadsheets and combined them into Access 97, created an input 
form and reports, and everyone was happy.


Even getting people to use a flat file database like Database Oasis 
would be better than a spreadsheet.



Since then I have learned a lot and find the latter concept very
powerful.  In your case, if Access and dBase had/have more power than
you ever needed and that power is all that you will ever need, then the
LO internal HSQLDB engine is probably a good choice for your application.


It may be, if this was a single user issue.  But we need to be 
compatible with MS Office without having enough Windows systems, where 
as I can lay my hands on 3 other Linux systems that are being unused.



Now that you mentioned dBase, you may, or may not, be aware that LO has
a dBase option.  But a limitation to it that I found is that older
versions of dBase files are not supported.  I have some old dBase 1.x
files with dbase programs that will not load into LO, let alone run.


I didn't know this, but must admit dBase is probably not the best answer.


Girvin






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[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

[Ken Springer]

On 7/31/16 4:16 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:

On 07/31/2016 12:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 7/30/16 3:30 PM, jorge wrote:

Hi:

On GNU / Linux / Ubuntu, and of course in other distributions, there are
to program that you would probe because could help you to export Access
DB to open document:

1) MDBtools (View and export MSAccess db)

2) Kexi of Caligra Suite that say it is able to read MS Access db


Thanks, jorge.  I'll have to check with my "conspirator" on how much
effort in learning he's willing to do to create a Linux database.

Ken


Ken,
One thing about Kexi.  I looked at it a few weeks ago and discovered
that Kexi has a capability of reading Access database files to some
degree.  However, it reads and converts the access database into its own
internal database.  Kexi has no capability to interface to and use an
external database server (aka "Back End") such as Mariadb or MySQL, as
LO Base does.

I am using LO Base as a database client (aka "Front End") on Linux and
connected to my Mariadb database server using a Java "connector"
driver.  I do this because the LO internal HSQDB has limitations that
MySQL and Mariadb do not have.  You may consider this if your
database(s) are large or complex.


Thanks for the above info, Girvin.  I appreciate it.

I understand the concept of Front End/Back End, but never have dealt 
with it.  Nor have I ever used MySQL, Mariadb, or others.  Access and a 
bit of dBase is all I've ever used, and in general, even then that's 
more power than I've ever needed.


Another gentleman and I trying to get a social agency we both volunteer 
for out of the dark ages of computers.  Due to ignorance of computers, 
and a good bunch of resistance to change, it will be a daunting task.



Years ago, I had my data in an access (1.1) database and needed to port
my data to MySQL.  I managed it by using the option in access to output
the database as a comma-separated file, much like a spreadsheet ".csv"
file.  I then was able to set up MySQL to import this file into its
database format.  Of course, as some others have noted, the forms and
reports needed to be recreated.  At this time, OpenOffice (before LO was
available) did not have a database client which would work with MySQL,
so I chose an open source client called Rekall and had to recreate my
data entry forms and reports.  It was labor intensive, but needed to be
done.  Then Rekall went bust and I had to find another client.  By then,
OpenOffice had Base, which would talk to my MySQL database engine.  I
did not need to do anything with my MySQL database, but I did have to
recreate all of my data entry forms and reports yet again - more labor.
So, the bottom line is that any time you change database clients, expect
to recreate the data entry forms and reports.  There is no standard for
them.  One big advantage to using an external database such as MySQL or
Mariadb, is that they use standard SQL, while the LO Base HSQDB database
server uses a non-standard version of SQL.  So, using HSQDB could lock
you in to it.

My databases are critical to me.  All of my database software decisions
were based on being able to easily port my data to another client or
server and not need to recreate it.  Depending on the size of your
database, that could take much more time than recreating just the forms
and reports.

Hope this helps with your decision.  Good luck.
Girvin Herr





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Changing program icons

[Ken Springer]

On 7/31/16 3:43 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Use the main menu Tools -> Options -> View and the "Icon style" drop down
list to select.


There's only one icon style listed.  Are there any other available for 
download?  If so, how do you install them?



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[libreoffice-users] Changing program icons

[Ken Springer]

When I first tried LO, I think it was late in the 3.x.x version, you 
were able to change the icons in the suite.


I'm starting to learn a little about Linux, and the distro came with 
5.0.3.2, and I can't seem to find this option.


Is it still there?

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

[Ken Springer]

On 7/30/16 3:30 PM, jorge wrote:

Hi:

On GNU / Linux / Ubuntu, and of course in other distributions, there are
to program that you would probe because could help you to export Access
DB to open document:

1) MDBtools (View and export MSAccess db)

2) Kexi of Caligra Suite that say it is able to read MS Access db


Thanks, jorge.  I'll have to check with my "conspirator" on how much 
effort in learning he's willing to do to create a Linux database.


Ken


I hope this help,

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez


El sáb, 30-07-2016 a las 16:40 +0200, Harvey Nimmo escribió:

On Fri, 2016-07-29 at 20:53 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

The subject says it all, how successful is Base in importing Access
Databases?

LO 5.0.x

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Unfortunately, MS Access users were spoilt with the 'complete' database
package supporting tables, queries, forms, reports and modules/macros.
Although its 'openness' or performance or compatibility with the rest
of the MS Office suite leave much to be desired (in my humble opinion)
the MSaccess package is a (more or less) complete solution. LibreOffice
on the other hand cannot match the user comfort (yet!).

There is a tool, access2sql that to allows you to generate the sql
needed to build all your 'tables' again (including their data) and
'queries'. But for the 'forms' and 'reports' you will have to start
from scratch in LOBase and, as I say, the user comfort for that is not
as mature as in MSAccess. In LOBase you can also write modules/macros
in Visual Basic. I have no experience of that either, but it does
suggest that VBA macros might with reservation be portable and
modifiable.

In other words, i blieve it is not hopelessly impossible and
I am sure that the experts can add their 'two penn'orth'

Cheers
Harvey




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

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On 7/30/16 8:40 AM, Harvey Nimmo wrote:

On Fri, 2016-07-29 at 20:53 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

The subject says it all, how successful is Base in importing Access
Databases?

LO 5.0.x

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Unfortunately, MS Access users were spoilt with the 'complete' database
package supporting tables, queries, forms, reports and modules/macros.
Although its 'openness' or performance or compatibility with the rest
of the MS Office suite leave much to be desired (in my humble opinion)
the MSaccess package is a (more or less) complete solution. LibreOffice
on the other hand cannot match the user comfort (yet!).


Thanks, Harvey.  Not the answer I was hoping for, but the one I 
expected.  LOL


Personally, I like the idea of the complete database package, as I think 
it makes it easier for the average person to create something useful for 
them.



There is a tool, access2sql that to allows you to generate the sql
needed to build all your 'tables' again (including their data) and
'queries'. But for the 'forms' and 'reports' you will have to start
from scratch in LOBase and, as I say, the user comfort for that is not
as mature as in MSAccess. In LOBase you can also write modules/macros
in Visual Basic. I have no experience of that either, but it does
suggest that VBA macros might with reservation be portable and
modifiable.

In other words, i blieve it is not hopelessly impossible and
I am sure that the experts can add their 'two penn'orth'

Cheers
Harvey







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[libreoffice-users] Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

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The subject says it all, how successful is Base in importing Access 
Databases?


LO 5.0.x

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Sorting in Writer

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On 5/31/16 2:12 PM, Pat Brown wrote:

I received a document which, essentially is a document of song lyrics.
However, they were typed in at random, as they were received. I now want to
sort the songs by song title and can't figure a way to do this. The format
is the following:
 The song title, the artist, the lyrics. Each line is essentially a new
paragraph so I cannot sort by paragraph. I need some way of marking the
beginning and the ending of each song, having the contents between these
two marks recognised as a unit, and then sorting these units. Does anyone
have any ideas, without having to select each song, cutting it and then
pasting it in its correct position alphabetically


I've got a thought of what might work, but I'd need to see some of the 
data first.


Do you have any way of providing a portion of the doc for everyone to view?


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Writer and Word compatibility question

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On 5/29/16 2:30 PM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 05/27/2016 11:29 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 5/27/16 6:40 PM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:





You do not need Word for writing books.  You just need to provide the
book in the format that the editor/publisher requires - after you finish
your work.


Writing whatever isn't my point.  It's allowing a group of people to 
collaborate on a writing project, with each one being able to use the 
word processor of their choice, and not be forced to use a particular 
program.



There is a really prolific author - Piers Anthony - who went to Linux
and OOo years ago.  I believe he is now using LO.  He wrote macros and
uses a non-standard keyboard.  He use to write 3 to 5 books a year.  Now
that he is in the late 70's he has slowed down a lot.  He use to have
author's notes at the end of his books, but now does most of it in a
blog.  After reading he used OOo on his old Windows system, I started
using it.  Then a few years later he moved to Linux for writing while
his wife used Windows - no dial-up modem support for Linux in the
forested area of Florida he lived in.


I don't know if I've read any his books or not.

Not having any modem support might have been a blessing in disguise!   LOL




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Writer and Word compatibility question

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ith me and we'd get her a next level up word processor.



On 05/27/2016 03:53 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

I've not use LO for a long time.  Quite frankly, it's way too
sophisticated for my uses.  Read that as too many features I have no
use for.

The same applies for Word.

Regarding the .odt file format...

If you are working in Word, and have a lot of tracking changes going
on, and you save the file in Word as an .odt file, are those tracking
changes and such carried over when you open the file in LO?








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[libreoffice-users] Writer and Word compatibility question

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I've not use LO for a long time.  Quite frankly, it's way too 
sophisticated for my uses.  Read that as too many features I have no use 
for.


The same applies for Word.

Regarding the .odt file format...

If you are working in Word, and have a lot of tracking changes going on, 
and you save the file in Word as an .odt file, are those tracking 
changes and such carried over when you open the file in LO?



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[libreoffice-users] Re: about libreoffice and tables:

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On 4/4/16 6:56 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi every one.
one person gave me a very important .docx documents and i wanted to
open it with libreoffice 4.4.6
when i press enter on my document, unfortunately libreoffice
immediately crashed and said the message about crash with unexpected
error and tried to recovered it.
but unfortunately after recovery, imediately again and again crashed!
i tested with libreoffice 4.3.5, 4.3.7 and 4.4.6 and its crash in all
versions 4.3 and 4.4 i think!
i tested with version 5.0.5.2 and i did not observe any crash!
but for many reasons the version 4.3.5.2 is the best version for me
and i prefer to only use this version.
i called that personed and mentioned this issue.
he replyed: its maybe of the table which is on the last page of document.
maybe your program is not compatible with tables.
he removed the table and i could open it with my favorite version
without any problem.
can you please help me whats the problem in this regard and why
libreoffice my favorite version faced crash in the time of openning my
very valuable document?
any help is appreciated and i ask god devine mercy and blessings for you.


Do you need to work with the document or just read it?  Either way, 
depending on the need, there's a PDF option and you're problems maybe 
solved.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

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On 2/28/16 9:40 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2/28/2016 11:21 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster
 wrote:

The only thing about Thunderbird, for me right now, was the "chore" it
was to to switch systems when the one it was on, since 2010, is now down
for repairs.


That is simple - you just copy the %appdata%\Thunderbird (on Windows)
folder to the new system.


If you're using Windows.  And if the two platforms are different, you 
may break an add-on.



It was not geared for syncing your email between two or
more systems - i.e. desktop, laptop, and maybe tablet - according to
everything I have read.


No fat (desktop) email client is designed to do that. That is what IMAP
is for.

When using IMAP, starting from scratch, is simple (just add the accounts
back in), and as long as you use IMAP on all systems, mail is always in
sync, because all changes happen server side.


I do not really think we should to bundle Thunderbird with LibreOffice,


Agreed, it should always be a separate install...

One question I have is, in what way(s) could or should TB better
integrate with Libreoffice, other than maybe a simple (e)mail merge
function?




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Tom.

I've thought over a reply for your question for quite sometime, finally 
decided to just add some thoughts.


Except for a thread on printing labels (which appears to be a printer 
driver problem in this case), I've not posted here for a very long time.


Nor do I use LO on a regular basis.  I use it for labels because the 
free office suite I'm currently using does not have label capability. 
And maybe once a year, I write something sort of serious.  I do that 
just to see how much has changed.  Here on the Mac, I have Word 2011 for 
regular use.  The free office suite I am using now is FreeOffice from 
Softmaker, and it's on Windows 7.  I like it enough that I'm considering 
purchasing Softmaker 2016.  The free version is 2012.


The attitude of LO devs turned me off years ago, and I've seen nothing 
since to bring me back.  And the icons and UI overall in 5.?.?  Geez, my 
Atari 1040 ST running TOS 4 (I think) had much better icons.  People 
should be ashamed of this new fad in UI appearance, IMO.


Oh, wait.  I see there are Themes in 5. Cool.  No, there are no Themes 
to choose from.  If you don't have something as simple as themes ready 
to go, why bother?


I would like to see LO do well, but I don't recommend it for most people 
anymore.  Why?  Most people don't need all the bells and whistles of LO. 
 And they don't need Word for the same reason.  I tell people to sit 
down and scrutinize/analyze what they need from an office suite.  Do 
they even need an office suite?  Maybe WordPad on Windows and TextEdit 
on the Mac is all they need.  And there's plenty of software between 
both extremes on both platforms to fill people's needs.


And many times, people will use an office suite to do something, and an 
office suite is simply the wrong tool for the job at hand.


For those that don't know, Softmaker 2016 (Pro version only, I think) 
includes a customized copy of Thunderbird.  What the differences are, I 
do not know.


I see a lot of posts around about how good TB is, but most never seem to 
run into the issues I find.  I have no idea why.  Just last week I was 
reminded of a bug in the address book.  Edit an entry, and save.  Now I 
have that address in the address book 2 times.  Delete one of them, and 
both go away.


The archive files for one account disappeared for 3 years.  Cursor 
movement has a problem in HTML composition, in that it doesn't go where 
it belongs.


And the answers to many questions in Mozilla's Thunderbird group for 
solving problems is to create a new profile and start over.  That's NOT 
a fix.  Needless to say, I rarely read that group anymore either.


When it comes to offering support as far as using TB is concerned, if 
it's to LO's advantage to do so, go for it.  But I get so effing tired 
of having to go to 5 or 10 forums to find answers to program because the 
answer is not in/on the program's site. For LO, I would offer the extra 
help to Mozilla's newsgroup so there's one less place to spend time 
registering and checking in on whatever your regular basis is.  Plus, it 
would give you another avenue of exposure for LO.


IMO, even better TB support would be to help the TB devs solve a lot of 
the bugs that exist.


The above issues could be solved by absorbing the entire TB effort as 
you suggested.  And is a reasonable solution, IMO.  But I hope LO devs 
take a different attitude than they appeared to have when I was a 
regular user.  Devs seemed to be more interested in adding features 
rather than fixing issues they knew existed.


Do a few things right rather than a lot of things wrong.

Both TB and FF have the same weak link, that of using add-ons.  What 
often happened is folks like me would install add-ons that became part 
of their workflow.  Then both would come out with a new version, 
breaking the add-on and thus breaking the workflow.  Now, do you think 
that made anyone happy?


I used to extol the virtues of TB and FF, but enough breakage was 
enough.  I just tell people I use them and they work OK.


I think your point of "Freedom from Choice" is driven more by the costs 
of providing support of many programs.  In the US Government agency I 
worked for, there were limits on what you could install on the 
computers, if your unit had no local support system.  If you were a 
large enough unit, supplying 100% of the unit's IT support, permission 
could be obtained to install a program not on the approved list.


I haven't used Outlook since Outlook 2007, and IIRC, the "rules" in 
Outlook are far more sophisticated than TB's.


I think I'll snip your message and save people the work of having to 
deal with it.  LOL


Best of luck.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Avery 8167 label printing

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On 2/10/16 9:32 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 10/02/16 10:53 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 2/10/16 4:27 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 10/02/16 12:01 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 2/10/16 8:28 AM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 09/02/16 11:39 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 2/9/16 2:23 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 09/02/16 03:23 PM, Dave Liesse wrote:







PDF is a great way to exchange documents but it has an interesting print
option (usually) of shrinking to fit the printer margins. If you send a
PDF label set, you need to remind the recipient to print them full size.
I've run into this problem several times where my carefully crafted PDFs
aren't printed the way I designed them.


In this case, IMO, the creator of the PDF should be aware of the
potential margin issue and set them accordingly.  So far, I've never
been burned that I know of by using .5" margins except with the top
margin of the 8167 labels.

So there should be no need for shrink to fit unless we are talking a
totally different page size.

But it's awful hard to break people's mindset and get them to switch
to PDF.  "Oh, if we are going to share and work with the same thing,
we both have to have MS Word."  Or WordPerfect.  Or Lotus' word
processor in the old days, I can't remember the name. At one time,
this was absolutely true.  But it's no longer a mandatory thing with
PDF on the scene.

There will be situations where where Word, or Excel, or  will
be required.  But it's because that software is already in use across
the enterprise.  It's not because it's the only software that will do
the job.


That's not the issue. Sometimes you want something to occupy the full
page for professional printing but people use their home printers instead.


Agreed, you need the bleed area.  But in this case of labels off the 
shelf, using a software's built in template that is correct when 
measured with a ruler, telling the software to shrink to fit shouldn't 
have any effect.


I just did a business card design that needed a bleed area.  Actually 
came out with the right colors!   LOL



As for using the same software, that doesn't solve problems if the
person doesn't have the same fonts installed that you do. The PDF format
removes the requirement to stick to common fonts.

Similarly the ISO standard Open Document formats that LibreOffice uses
allow documents to used by other programs, including the M$ ones. They
may not look the same, but will at least be exchangeable and editable.










There used to be a problem with multi-column labels but they seem to
have redone the label specification to correct that. When creating
labels, there is "Format" tab that lets you adjust the label
properties.
In its new incarnation, it is easy to use and gives you exactly
what you
need to adjust the properties of incorrectly specified common label
formats down to 1/100 of an inch.


In the end, I'll probably do this.


You can specify the top margin, label height and vertical pitch (the
last two may be different if there is space between the labels)
and do
the same for the left margin, label width and horizontal pitch. They
also allow you to specify the page size and the number of rows and
columns.

If you think a label isn't defined correctly, fix it. Also, file
a bug
report so that the developers can fix it for everyone. It's
better to
light a candle or two than to curse the darkness.


In this case, the label spec is correct.  Font design will have to
have a factor in this someway too, I suspect.


It shouldn't unless LO calculates the position of the next label
relative to the end of the previous text. It would seem more natural
(and simpler) to calculate in absolute terms.


Upon retrospect, I agree.  But it is something you have to be
cognizant of when designing the label, as it can affect the apparent
vertical centering of text on the label.  Which can effect what you
think may be happening with label output.  In my case, the label
includes a graphic, which is unaffected by text positioning. Makes it
easy to figure out where the problem is likely to be.

Another overall negative effect of this problem is, you have to ask
yourself, if this is broken, what else in the suite is broken?
Especially if you are using LO to make a living.  Is there another
feature I use in Writer that doesn't work correctly?  What if one or
two functions in the spreadsheet calculate incorrectly?  What if Base
occasionally mangles your data?

I remember years ago when Intel turned out a chip that had an error in
it's math calculations.  It was a rare happening, but when they
finally admitted it publicly, trying to say it wasn't important do to
the rare occurrence, it did not go over well at all! 



I've yet to find software that is perfect (except of course for what I
develop  ;)  ).  Big suites like LO will have the occasional bug but
I've never found one that was more than an annoyance.


It's an annoyance if you can find a workaround.  It's a problem if
there's no workaroun

[libreoffice-users] Re: Avery 8167 label printing

[Ken Springer]

On 2/10/16 8:28 AM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 09/02/16 11:39 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 2/9/16 2:23 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 09/02/16 03:23 PM, Dave Liesse wrote:

I've never had any luck with any of the Avery templates I've tried
(although my problem has been mostly with left-to-right adjustments
rather than top-to-bottom).  I finally just got in the habit of
setting my paragraph position as 1/8" into the label; fooling with the
template specs didn't do the job.




I've occasionally found problems with the labels but they are minor. For
small labels, like return-address labels, the print V. Pitch may be a
little off so the labels creep up or down a little as you go down the
page.


I think this could also occur due to printer's paper feed abilities.
In this case, the error is consistent.

Are you referring to the page slipping on the rollers? That would likely
produce inconsistent results. If the labels are simply off consistently,
that would be the top margin. If they vary consistently down that page,
that would be vertical pitch.


Slippage in the rollers is what I was thinking of.

In my case, the error is consistent, so slippage is not problem.

Telling the printer where to actually start the printing appears to be 
the issue.  We'll call it the top margin for convenience, but even that 
has it's own issues.  Since the driver is TWAIN, the brand of printer 
shouldn't make a difference as long as the printer manufacturer doesn't 
screw up the driver.


Time to "expand our horizons".  (Sounds like a motivational speaker, 
doesn't it?   LOL)


LO's built-in template, displayed on the screen, is correct.  The 
paper's top margin is .5" on the screen and in real life.  Positioning 
of the text is also correct, as displayed on the screen.


Only printing is in error.

Now...  Suppose you are creating X number of label designs for someone 
else.  They don't have LO, how to you get the labels to them?  Today, I 
think almost everyone's answer would be PDF.


Fair enough, but that doesn't work either.  If you create the PDF with 
the default template settings, which are correct, the resulting PDF file 
is also in error.  I tried it.  Same vertical offset issue.


So you change the top margin, create the PDF, and yep, labels print 
correctly.


What's wrong with this?

In the above scenario, the recipient of the PDF may/can/will look at the 
labels before printing them, to see if they are correct.  (If they 
don't, they aren't doing their job.)  Guess what?  They'll see the top 
margin error, more easily spotted if you have a vertical ruler option. 
If you send a PDF based on the correct template (the one supplied by 
LO), the printing will be off.  If you send a PDF based on a modified 
template, the visual display on the screen will be off.


In this situation, LO falls on its face in providing WYSIWYG...  What 
You See Is What You Get.  One of the principals in modern computers. 
What is displayed on the screen is what is supposed to come out of the 
printer or other device.


This is no different than if you had the font set for 12 points, but the 
output to either screen or printer was 16 points.  Not a good thing in 
the long run.





There used to be a problem with multi-column labels but they seem to
have redone the label specification to correct that. When creating
labels, there is "Format" tab that lets you adjust the label properties.
In its new incarnation, it is easy to use and gives you exactly what you
need to adjust the properties of incorrectly specified common label
formats down to 1/100 of an inch.


In the end, I'll probably do this.


You can specify the top margin, label height and vertical pitch (the
last two may be different if there is space between the labels) and do
the same for the left margin, label width and horizontal pitch. They
also allow you to specify the page size and the number of rows and
columns.

If you think a label isn't defined correctly, fix it. Also, file a bug
report so that the developers can fix it for everyone. It's better to
light a candle or two than to curse the darkness.


In this case, the label spec is correct.  Font design will have to
have a factor in this someway too, I suspect.


It shouldn't unless LO calculates the position of the next label
relative to the end of the previous text. It would seem more natural
(and simpler) to calculate in absolute terms.


Upon retrospect, I agree.  But it is something you have to be cognizant 
of when designing the label, as it can affect the apparent vertical 
centering of text on the label.  Which can effect what you think may be 
happening with label output.  In my case, the label includes a graphic, 
which is unaffected by text positioning.  Makes it easy to figure out 
where the problem is likely to be.


Another overall negative effect of this problem is, you have to ask 
yourself, if this is broken, what else in the suite is broken? 
Especially if you are using LO to make a living

[libreoffice-users] Re: Avery 8167 label printing

[Ken Springer]

On 2/10/16 4:27 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 10/02/16 12:01 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 2/10/16 8:28 AM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 09/02/16 11:39 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 2/9/16 2:23 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 09/02/16 03:23 PM, Dave Liesse wrote:







PDF is a great way to exchange documents but it has an interesting print
option (usually) of shrinking to fit the printer margins. If you send a
PDF label set, you need to remind the recipient to print them full size.
I've run into this problem several times where my carefully crafted PDFs
aren't printed the way I designed them.


In this case, IMO, the creator of the PDF should be aware of the 
potential margin issue and set them accordingly.  So far, I've never 
been burned that I know of by using .5" margins except with the top 
margin of the 8167 labels.


So there should be no need for shrink to fit unless we are talking a 
totally different page size.


But it's awful hard to break people's mindset and get them to switch to 
PDF.  "Oh, if we are going to share and work with the same thing, we 
both have to have MS Word."  Or WordPerfect.  Or Lotus' word processor 
in the old days, I can't remember the name.  At one time, this was 
absolutely true.  But it's no longer a mandatory thing with PDF on the 
scene.


There will be situations where where Word, or Excel, or   will 
be required.  But it's because that software is already in use across 
the enterprise.  It's not because it's the only software that will do 
the job.









There used to be a problem with multi-column labels but they seem to
have redone the label specification to correct that. When creating
labels, there is "Format" tab that lets you adjust the label
properties.
In its new incarnation, it is easy to use and gives you exactly
what you
need to adjust the properties of incorrectly specified common label
formats down to 1/100 of an inch.


In the end, I'll probably do this.


You can specify the top margin, label height and vertical pitch (the
last two may be different if there is space between the labels) and do
the same for the left margin, label width and horizontal pitch. They
also allow you to specify the page size and the number of rows and
columns.

If you think a label isn't defined correctly, fix it. Also, file a bug
report so that the developers can fix it for everyone. It's better to
light a candle or two than to curse the darkness.


In this case, the label spec is correct.  Font design will have to
have a factor in this someway too, I suspect.


It shouldn't unless LO calculates the position of the next label
relative to the end of the previous text. It would seem more natural
(and simpler) to calculate in absolute terms.


Upon retrospect, I agree.  But it is something you have to be
cognizant of when designing the label, as it can affect the apparent
vertical centering of text on the label.  Which can effect what you
think may be happening with label output.  In my case, the label
includes a graphic, which is unaffected by text positioning.  Makes it
easy to figure out where the problem is likely to be.

Another overall negative effect of this problem is, you have to ask
yourself, if this is broken, what else in the suite is broken?
Especially if you are using LO to make a living.  Is there another
feature I use in Writer that doesn't work correctly?  What if one or
two functions in the spreadsheet calculate incorrectly?  What if Base
occasionally mangles your data?

I remember years ago when Intel turned out a chip that had an error in
it's math calculations.  It was a rare happening, but when they
finally admitted it publicly, trying to say it wasn't important do to
the rare occurrence, it did not go over well at all!  



I've yet to find software that is perfect (except of course for what I
develop  ;)  ).  Big suites like LO will have the occasional bug but
I've never found one that was more than an annoyance.


It's an annoyance if you can find a workaround.  It's a problem if 
there's no workaround, and it's something you need to get your job done.


And, if it was something I produced, I won't be happy until it's fixed. 
 "Close enough" just doesn't work for me in a lot of cases.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Avery 8167 label printing

[Ken Springer]

On 2/10/16 1:18 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

Ken Springer wrote

I remember years ago when Intel turned out a chip that had an error in
it's math calculations.  It was a rare happening, but when they
finally admitted it publicly, trying to say it wasn't important do to
the rare occurrence, it did not go over well at all!  



About 25 years ago, I was the treasurer of my children's preschool. I
created a spreadsheet to calculate paychecks, and I found that the
paycheck was consistently off by .01 (a penny). It drove me nuts. As it
turned out, one part of the calculation required the division of 28 by
7, which every third grader knows is 4. Well, my spreadsheet gave an
answer of 3.99_. By itself, it wasn't a big problem, but later
in the chain of operations, the 3.9_ produced a result that rounded
*down* to the nearest penny instead of *up*, which it would have done if
the 28/7 had resulted in 4 instead of 3.. I complained to a computer
friend of mine who tried to explain that the computer's answer was more
"precise" than my mental math of 28/7=4. I didn't buy it.


I wouldn't buy it either.  I don't care how someone tries to explain it, 
the result is wrong.  Pure and simple.  Just try pulling that response 
on a grade school teacher, and you're going home with an "F".


How something can be more "precise" than the correct answer is beyond me.

I can see the future now...  "Captain Kirk, sorry, we missed the planet 
by 10 million miles.  Our computer divided 28 by 7 and says the answer 
is 3.9..."LOL


Wrong is wrong, I don't care how somebody wishes to justify it.


I learned a valuable lesson in blindly accepting a computer's
calculation simply because it was made by a computer.

Virgil




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Avery 8167 label printing

[Ken Springer]

On 2/10/16 3:19 PM, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

On 2/10/16 8:28 AM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 09/02/16 11:39 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 2/9/16 2:23 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 09/02/16 03:23 PM, Dave Liesse wrote:

I've never had any luck with any of the Avery templates I've tried
(although my problem has been mostly with left-to-right adjustments
rather than top-to-bottom).  I finally just got in the habit of
setting my paragraph position as 1/8" into the label; fooling with the
template specs didn't do the job.




I've occasionally found problems with the labels but they are minor.
For
small labels, like return-address labels, the print V. Pitch may be a
little off so the labels creep up or down a little as you go down the
page.


I think this could also occur due to printer's paper feed abilities.
In this case, the error is consistent.

Are you referring to the page slipping on the rollers? That would likely
produce inconsistent results. If the labels are simply off consistently,
that would be the top margin. If they vary consistently down that page,
that would be vertical pitch.


Slippage in the rollers is what I was thinking of.

In my case, the error is consistent, so slippage is not problem.

Telling the printer where to actually start the printing appears to be
the issue.  We'll call it the top margin for convenience, but even that
has it's own issues.  Since the driver is TWAIN, the brand of printer
shouldn't make a difference as long as the printer manufacturer doesn't
screw up the driver.

Time to "expand our horizons".  (Sounds like a motivational speaker,
doesn't it?   LOL)

LO's built-in template, displayed on the screen, is correct.  The
paper's top margin is .5" on the screen and in real life.  Positioning
of the text is also correct, as displayed on the screen.

Only printing is in error.

Now...  Suppose you are creating X number of label designs for someone
else.  They don't have LO, how to you get the labels to them?  Today, I
think almost everyone's answer would be PDF.


You may already realise, but in case not... Adobe Reader has an option
to "Shrink oversized pages" when printing.


Every PDF reader I've toyed with has  that option for scaling.  Useful 
if you receive something that was created for 11 X 17 paper, and all you 
have is 8.5 X11.  In which case, I would expect a bit of error, not to 
mention difficulty in reading text that may be on the page.



You might not expect that to
do anything when printing an A4 PDF printing onto A4 paper, but it
actually shrinks the page slightly to allow for the non-printable
margins around the page. To get a 1:1 scale print you have to select
"Actual size". It remembers the last setting you use, so you have to
remember to check what's it's set to each time.


I would submit, that the person who created the PDF, should have 
considered non-printable margins.  Which is why I always use margins 
that I'm sure all printers can handle, at least to the best of my knowledge.



Fair enough, but that doesn't work either.  If you create the PDF with
the default template settings, which are correct, the resulting PDF file
is also in error.  I tried it.  Same vertical offset issue.


Is the vertical offset incorrect on screen as well as when printed? When
I first read that, I thought you meant it was wrong on-screen as well,
but from your discussion below it sounds like the PDF is displayed with
the correct margin, but prints with the wrong margin?


If the onscreen display of the margins for 8167 labels is correct, the 
printed output is incorrect, from both LO and PDF.  If the onscreen 
margins are incorrect (to the needed amount of course), the printed 
output is correct, from both LO and PDF.



So you change the top margin, create the PDF, and yep, labels print
correctly.

What's wrong with this?

In the above scenario, the recipient of the PDF may/can/will look at the
labels before printing them, to see if they are correct.  (If they
don't, they aren't doing their job.)  Guess what?  They'll see the top
margin error, more easily spotted if you have a vertical ruler option.
If you send a PDF based on the correct template (the one supplied by
LO), the printing will be off.  If you send a PDF based on a modified
template, the visual display on the screen will be off.


So if you have a PDF which displays on screen with the correct margin,
but when printed it has the wrong margin?


Yep.   


To get it to print with the
correct margin, you have to produce a PDF which displays with an
incorrect margin?


Yep.

< Assuming you're printing the PDF at actual size, that

would suggest the printer or its driver is in error (unless your PDF
reader has the same issue as LibreOffice). Once LibreOffice has created
a PDF, it has nothing to do with any difference between how the PDF
reader displays and prints it.


Unless the error is embedded in the PDF.   :-)

I hadn't considered 

[libreoffice-users] Re: Avery 8167 label printing

[Ken Springer]

On 2/6/16 1:16 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

Printing is off the mark vertically by about an eighth of an inch
vertically, lower on the page than correct.

Labels print fine on Avery 8160.

No adjustments of any kind to the template was made.

LO 4.4.7.2


FWFW, it doesn't work in the latest version of Open Office, either.  :-(


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Avery 8167 label printing

[Ken Springer]

On 2/9/16 1:15 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

I have found that, at least with 8160 labels, LO works whereas AOO does
not. I realize that's not your issue, but at least *one* of the label
forms seems to work better than with LO than with AOO giving me the
impression that the LO developers have been a little more proactive in
chasing down label issues than the AOO developers.

I've often found that, with labels, I sometimes have to make small
adjustments. For example, I've sometimes inserted a small 8 point blank
paragraph at the top of a cell to move the actual address down a
smidgen. I sometimes do this in the cells themselves or in the "Label
text" dialog box underwhen I'm doing a merge from
a database. I've also been known to insert a space or two before each
line in the address form, just to move it in from the left margin a bit
as so: (I realize the spaces won't show up in an email so I've typed in
"" to represent blank spaces that I insert with the space bar.)


I've done this a couple of times, and in places other than LO labels. 
In these cases, the printed error was so small I attributed it to 
differences in manufacturing of printer and/or label.



¶
<2014.Sheet1.0.First name> <2014.Sheet1.0.Last name>
<2014.Sheet1.0.Street>
<2014.Sheet1.0.City>, <2014.Sheet1.0.State>  <2014.Sheet1.0.Zip>

I realize these solutions are a bit of a cobble, but when you have to
get the job done, you just do what you have to do and worry about bug
reports later. My problem is that I only do this about once a year (for
Christmas cards) and lose interest in the issues once I'm done.


When it comes to work, I want my "tools" to work, and not have to 
fiddle-fart around and waste my time.  I'd rather pay a reasonable price 
for something that works rather than fiddle here, fiddle there, fiddle 
somewhere else to get it to work.


From the aspect of doing the code for this, if this was my work and it 
didn't work, I'd keep after it until it was fixed.  It's a source of 
pride for me.


I can fiddle with the upper margin and "make it work", a cobble, a 
workaround, but that's not the point.  It's supposed to be a feature, 
therefore, it's reasonable for a user to expect it to work.


And to recreate a page full of labels isn't going to be fun.  Each label 
has a graphic included, and with no way to Ctrl/CMD A to select all and 
then copy and paste all, I'll have to do all the labels again.


Unless someone has an answer to that.

Is there a way to swap label templates in an existing doc?



Virgil






On 02/09/2016 01:39 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 2/6/16 1:16 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

Printing is off the mark vertically by about an eighth of an inch
vertically, lower on the page than correct.

Labels print fine on Avery 8160.

No adjustments of any kind to the template was made.

LO 4.4.7.2


FWFW, it doesn't work in the latest version of Open Office, either.  :-(








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[libreoffice-users] Re: Avery 8167 label printing

[Ken Springer]

On 2/9/16 2:23 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 09/02/16 03:23 PM, Dave Liesse wrote:

I've never had any luck with any of the Avery templates I've tried
(although my problem has been mostly with left-to-right adjustments
rather than top-to-bottom).  I finally just got in the habit of
setting my paragraph position as 1/8" into the label; fooling with the
template specs didn't do the job.




I've occasionally found problems with the labels but they are minor. For
small labels, like return-address labels, the print V. Pitch may be a
little off so the labels creep up or down a little as you go down the page.


I think this could also occur due to printer's paper feed abilities.  In 
this case, the error is consistent.



There used to be a problem with multi-column labels but they seem to
have redone the label specification to correct that. When creating
labels, there is "Format" tab that lets you adjust the label properties.
In its new incarnation, it is easy to use and gives you exactly what you
need to adjust the properties of incorrectly specified common label
formats down to 1/100 of an inch.


In the end, I'll probably do this.


You can specify the top margin, label height and vertical pitch (the
last two may be different if there is space between the labels) and do
the same for the left margin, label width and horizontal pitch. They
also allow you to specify the page size and the number of rows and columns.

If you think a label isn't defined correctly, fix it. Also, file a bug
report so that the developers can fix it for everyone. It's better to
light a candle or two than to curse the darkness.


In this case, the label spec is correct.  Font design will have to have 
a factor in this someway too, I suspect.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Avery 8167 label printing

[Ken Springer]

On 2/6/16 1:16 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

Printing is off the mark vertically by about an eighth of an inch
vertically, lower on the page than correct.

Labels print fine on Avery 8160.

No adjustments of any kind to the template was made.

LO 4.4.7.2


Downloaded and tried 5.0.4.  Believe it or not, things are even worse.

Three quarters of the text on each label is now bold.  Nothing was bold 
in the document I created in 4.4.7.2.


Now, maybe there's a way to select all the text in all the labels at one 
time to change everything to bold or bold off, but I can't find it.  So 
at the moment, I'm changing the attributes one label at a time.  CMD-A, 
CMD-B, spinning beach ball.  Repeat next label.  Same result.  Each and 
every time.


Exporting as PDF via LO has the same result, labels are off vertically. 
 Saving as a PDF from Apple's print dialogue, same result, labels are 
off vertically.


I started with LO 3.x.x., labels didn't work then either.  I know not 
what the problem is with the coding, but by now all the kinks should 
have been worked out.  The labels certainly haven't changed.


I just tried it in 5.0.4 Windows 7.  Same results.

This is why I no longer recommend LO to anyone, and use it only minimally.


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[libreoffice-users] Avery 8167 label printing

[Ken Springer]

Printing is off the mark vertically by about an eighth of an inch 
vertically, lower on the page than correct.


Labels print fine on Avery 8160.

No adjustments of any kind to the template was made.

LO 4.4.7.2


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Avery 8167 label printing

[Ken Springer]

On 2/6/16 3:14 PM, Thomas Taylor wrote:

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 13:16:08 -0700
Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com> wrote:


Printing is off the mark vertically by about an eighth of an inch
vertically, lower on the page than correct.

Labels print fine on Avery 8160.

No adjustments of any kind to the template was made.

LO 4.4.7.2




Hi Ken,
Need more information:
What kind/model label is printing wrong?


Avery 8167   :-)


What template is being used?


Libre Office built in template for Avery 8167


What kind of printer?


Samsung CLP 315W color laser


Where are printer metrics obtained from?


Please define printer metrics.  :-)




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[libreoffice-users] Re: precision of Draw dimensions - 3 place

[Ken Springer]

On 11/19/15 11:04 AM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:

A bit of a rant. My apologies and respect to all who have made Draw
possible in advance.

On 11/19/2015 11:25 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Dave,

dave boland schrieb:

Thanks all.  If I make a suggestion to LO - add some more CAD abilities
to Draw such as higher precision.


The current internal precision is 1/100 mm. Armin Le Grand had started
to change Draw to number format double to allow higher precision, see
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Aw080_documentation. Unfortunately
there is currently no Company which will pay for finishing that work.

Thank you for pointing this out.


You can get a very high precision in the UI, if you view the drawing
with 3000% zoom and move/scale the objects using the array keys
together with the Alt-key.

If you insist on the inch system, and need fractions of inches, you
should change the unit from inch to point. It is 72 point = 1 inch, so
0.125 inch can be entered as 9 point, and with such number there is no
problem in the UI. But you should notice that 1 inch = 2.54 cm and
therefore 0.125 inch = 0.3175 cm = 317.5 * 1/100mm. It cannot be
represented exactly with the internal 1/100mm unit.

If I insist on the inch system, I should use inches.  Not meant to be
harsh, but really?
Can't debate your math, but shouldn't data be entered as it is measured?


For discussion's sake only, not to start an argument, if you are going 
to measure in inches as your selection, then to expand on that, would 
you want your font to be measured in inches instead of points?





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[libreoffice-users] Re: CONGRATULATIONS!!1!

[Ken Springer]

On 11/19/15 1:52 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:

For "compatibility" with something that does not want to be "compatible" at
all, you may consider SoftMaker office for Linux. The current version is
inexpensive. Its predecessor is free as in "free beer". Of course, it can
not be API compatible to any other product.
I agree that LO is on a slippery road as far as quality managment is
concerned.


The free version is available at http://www.freeoffice.com/.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: precision of Draw dimensions - 3 place

[Ken Springer]

On 11/19/15 6:20 AM, dave boland wrote:

Thanks all.  If I make a suggestion to LO - add some more CAD abilities
to Draw such as higher precision.  LOD is a very useful program, and
could be even more useful.


This is a always what happens to good software, be it FOSS, commercial, 
shareware, whatever.  Developers keep adding features until it becomes 
bloated, buggy, and slow.


Then users complain about it being bloated, buggy, and slow.

If you need that type of precision for your project, maybe LO isn't the 
correct software.


My suggestion would be to try page layout software and a basic 
CAD/drawing program.  Do your drawing (I'm assuming you need to do more 
than just a line) then input the drawing into the page layout software 
where you'll have so much better options for layout than you ever will 
in LO.


FWIW, I've yet to see any word processing that has more than 2 decimal 
places for spacing.


Also, if you want truly good looking text, use page layout software and 
a quality font.  I've yet to see a word processor that does kerning. 
Word processors do character spacing, which is not the same.  Document 
processors do kerning, AFAIK.





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[libreoffice-users] Re: LEBRE VERSION STILL

[Ken Springer]

On 11/5/15 12:12 AM, toki wrote:

On 05/11/2015 04:24, Ken Springer wrote:


While some bug may be deemed trivial by the devs or some system, that bug may 
not be trivial to the user.


That is why individuals and organization purchase Tier 3 support
contracts. It does matter if the software is FLOSS, or non-FLOSS, the
only way to ensure that issues that the user considers to be serious
flaws/bugs, is by either fixing the issue themselves, or paying somebody
to fix the issue.


Or by going elsewhere, using someone else's product.  :-)


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LEBRE VERSION STILL

[Ken Springer]

On 11/5/15 3:49 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

Hello Ken,

Le 05.11.2015 11:24, Ken Springer a écrit :

On 11/5/15 12:12 AM, toki wrote:

On 05/11/2015 04:24, Ken Springer wrote:


While some bug may be deemed trivial by the devs or some system, that
bug may not be trivial to the user.


That is why individuals and organization purchase Tier 3 support
contracts. It does matter if the software is FLOSS, or non-FLOSS, the
only way to ensure that issues that the user considers to be serious
flaws/bugs, is by either fixing the issue themselves, or paying
somebody
to fix the issue.


Or by going elsewhere, using someone else's product.  :-)



Of course, especially given that LibreOffice is not a product but a
community. A product comes with warranties and things such as support
contract. It also comes with a price tag. That being said, nobody's
working for free; do you? Using someone else's products will require
them at some point to purchase something (a license, a support contract,
etc.)


OK, folks...  We're going down the same path we did a couple years ago, 
and I'm not disagreeing with any of it, which most seem to not understand.


There is a group, or at least was, in the LO community that wants/wanted 
to push LO as a viable alternative to MS Office.  And you have a group 
with the perspective of "we fix what we want to fix".


My point is, you can't have both positions and be truly successful.  If 
you want to be a true viable alternative to MS Office, then you have to 
fix bugs important to users, not just the bugs you want to fix.  That's 
it, OK?  Which is what I said in my reply to Joel.


To paraphrase a line in a previous post of mine, I want a piece of 
software that works, not software that needs work.  :-)  I'm not a 
programmer, I don't have money to pay to have it fixed (one of the 
reasons I try to use open source/free software), I'm not anyone's beta 
tester.   


Which is why I've just started trying FreeOffice from Softmaker.  Do I 
know for a fact it will do what I need?  No, that's why I'm trying it 
out. If FreeOffice doesn't do it, there are others to try.   :-)



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LEBRE VERSION STILL

[Ken Springer]

On 11/5/15 10:25 AM, Gabriele Ponzo wrote:

2015-11-05 17:20 GMT+01:00 Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>:


I don't have money to pay to have it fixed (one of the reasons I try to
use open source/free software),



That should be the last reason to choose Open Source Software… I can
understand it, since it was the same for me in the far 90's, but sooner or
later you should go deeper and try understanding the principles behind OSS.


I'm retired, and thanks to the economic crash, I now have to watch the 
money spent, plus work part time.


I also volunteer for a local social services agency, and I often 
refurbished donated computers which are then given to people who need 
but can't afford a computer.  Many of these people are essentially 
computer illiterate.  So I need software that I can have faith in will 
cause them the least amount of trouble.


The principles of OSS are not the issue at my end, although it appears 
people seem to think so.  Performance and trusting things needed will be 
fixed are.  :-)



I'm not anyone's beta tester.   


So you'd want a perfect product, without paying money nor time to commit

somehow (just like beta testing or translating or whatever else commitment)?


I don't expect any of it to be perfect.  But I don't have the time to 
identify a problem, track down the cause or believed cause, and then 
file a report.





Which is why I've just started trying FreeOffice from Softmaker.  Do I
know for a fact it will do what I need?  No, that's why I'm trying it out.
If FreeOffice doesn't do it, there are others to try.   :-)



Well, maybe you'll find a free "product" that suites your needs, possibly
not open, so that you'll be locked in its own encoding cage.


Do you know how to fix your car?  TV?  Refrigerator?  You're locked into 
that "cage" too.  Maybe I will find something that is what I'm looking 
for.  I've sure bought enough stuff over the years looking for something 
that does what I want it to do.  I might end up liking FreeOffice enough 
I'll buy the paid version.



Please respect people of the community and avoid insulting with your
requirements about taking without giving anything back.


If you don't consider pointing out the opposing and incompatible 
viewpoints within the LO community as giving back, that's something I 
have no control over.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LEBRE VERSION STILL

[Ken Springer]

On 11/3/15 10:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote:

we fix what we want to fix


This is the weakness of any open source project that states it wishes to 
take on something like MS Office or Word Perfect.


There's really only two choices...  If you want to just fix what you 
want to fix, which is fine with me, don't tell people you wish to 
compete with MS Office or WordPerfect.  You end up with a result users 
will not appreciate.


If you want to go head to head with with MS or Corel, then you'll have 
to fix the problems your uses have with the program.




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