Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Java dependencies

2013-03-11 Thread Girvin R. Herr
Your description is my understanding.  I just did a quick look on the 
download website and I cannot find any such information.  Why are these 
dependencies not prominently spelled out in the System Requirements or 
somewhere else on the download website page?

If they were, then the users would know what is needed for what.

You haven't mentioned the age-old need of Java for the "Accessibility" 
options.  Are these no longer dependent on Java?

Girvin Herr


Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
It's still Base and some Wizards and some Extensions.  Something like 12% of the code is written in Java but it's in those areas that people rarely use.  

Base can mostly be used without needing Java but only if you use an external back-end rather than the in-built one.  I think the Report builder still would need it but Base experts seem to be advising people to avoid that anyway.  The internal back-end is HsqlDb which runs on Java even if you use the much more up-to-date version from their website as an external back-end.  There are other smaller faster ones for small amounts of data.  HsqlDb seems to be the best of those even though it depends on Java.  Non-java ones tend to be better for large amounts of data and include Postgresql and MySql / MariaDb.  These last 3 seem to be the most frequently recommended by the Base Experts.  

I've forwarded this to the Users List because there are quite a few Base Experts there that might be able to correct me if i'm wrong or just generally be a bit more helpful than i've been.   
Regards from 
Tom :)  





  


From: Florian Effenberger 
To: market...@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 11 March 2013, 13:59

Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Java dependencies

Hello,

I have a journalist's inquiry on Java dependencies in LibreOffice. Anyone can 
tell the exact components that do not work without Java installed in 4.0? From 
what I recall, Base and some wizards, but I'm not really up to date here...

Thanks,
Florian

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Java dependencies

2013-03-11 Thread V Stuart Foote
To add  to Tom's comments.  

For now, the Java Access Bridge and a JRE provide ALL accessibility support for 
the Windows builds.  Will eventually change with likely implementation of an 
IAccessible2 native bridge (fdo#39956) to the UNO Accessibility API. But for 
now Java remains a requirement.

Stuart



From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:06 AM
To: Florian Effenberger; market...@global.libreoffice.org; 
users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Java dependencies

Hi :)
It's still Base and some Wizards and some Extensions.  Something like 12% of 
the code is written in Java but it's in those areas that people rarely use.

Base can mostly be used without needing Java but only if you use an external 
back-end rather than the in-built one.  I think the Report builder still would 
need it but Base experts seem to be advising people to avoid that anyway.  The 
internal back-end is HsqlDb which runs on Java even if you use the much more 
up-to-date version from their website as an external back-end.  There are other 
smaller faster ones for small amounts of data.  HsqlDb seems to be the best of 
those even though it depends on Java.  Non-java ones tend to be better for 
large amounts of data and include Postgresql and MySql / MariaDb.  These last 3 
seem to be the most frequently recommended by the Base Experts.

I've forwarded this to the Users List because there are quite a few Base 
Experts there that might be able to correct me if i'm wrong or just generally 
be a bit more helpful than i've been.
Regards from
Tom :)




>
> From: Florian Effenberger 
>To: market...@global.libreoffice.org
>Sent: Monday, 11 March 2013, 13:59
>Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Java dependencies
>
>Hello,
>
>I have a journalist's inquiry on Java dependencies in LibreOffice. Anyone can 
>tell the exact components that do not work without Java installed in 4.0? From 
>what I recall, Base and some wizards, but I'm not really up to date here...
>
>Thanks,
>Florian
>
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