Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
On Sat, 2015-07-18 at 18:25 -0700, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? To set the tone, here are my answers: openSUSE LINUX, three laptops. Both for work and 'home'. I do a lot of work in LO, data grinding in calc, diagramming in Draw, and maintain several large technical documents [600+ pages] in writer. It works *great*. It is not perfect; cross-reference support still need to be improved. But it works very well. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
Il 19/07/2015 17:12, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Hello everyone, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com @ 2015-07-19 03:43 CEST: On 07/18/2015 09:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? Personal: All computers run openSUSE 13.1 ThinkPad E520 came with Windows 7 and can dual boot Run Windows 10 in VirtualBox Google Nexus 5 phone and Nexus 7 tablet Work: (I didn't choose either of these.) ThinkPad X131e running Windows 8.1 iPhone 6 I like Linux, ThinkPads and Android. If anybody's interested in broadening the audience of this survey, we can create an actual online survey and attract several hundreds/thousands Libreoffice users. It's always good to collect this kind of information. Just let me/us know. +1 Go ahead, Charles :) -- Valter Open Source is better! LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org KDE: www.kde.org Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
Ah. We didn't even have computers on the curriculum. there weren't many schools that did. From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2015, 12:16 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey On 07/23/2015 04:40 AM, Gary Collins wrote: We didn't have computers at all at school We didn't either. I had a FORTRAN class in grade 12 and filled in pencil mark cards, which the teacher took to the board office, to run on the computer there. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
On 07/23/2015 04:40 AM, Gary Collins wrote: We didn't have computers at all at school We didn't either. I had a FORTRAN class in grade 12 and filled in pencil mark cards, which the teacher took to the board office, to run on the computer there. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
Sorry, that should have been The Four Yorkshiremen (I must have miscounted :-) ) From: Gary Collins gcatl...@yahoo.co.uk To: Gordon Burgess-Parker gordo...@mail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2015, 12:45 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey Yes, I remember those (this is getting a bit like The Three Yorkshire Men!) From: Gordon Burgess-Parker gordo...@mail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2015, 12:37 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey On 23/07/15 09:40, Gary Collins wrote: We didn't have computers at all at school, neither did welog tables and slide rule! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
Yes, I remember those (this is getting a bit like The Three Yorkshire Men!) From: Gordon Burgess-Parker gordo...@mail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2015, 12:37 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey On 23/07/15 09:40, Gary Collins wrote: We didn't have computers at all at school, neither did welog tables and slide rule! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
Original message From: Gary Collins gcatl...@yahoo.co.uk Date:07/23/2015 7:45 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Gordon Burgess-Parker gordo...@mail.com,users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey Yes, I remember those (this is getting a bit like The Three Yorkshire Men!) From: Gordon Burgess-Parker gordo...@mail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2015, 12:37 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey On 23/07/15 09:40, Gary Collins wrote: We didn't have computers at all at school, neither did welog tables and slide rule! Cheap (a few dollars) or expensive ( bamboo, $50 plus)? A few scales or many? In high school, I had a cheap one; in service, I used a circular slide rule. There was also a Chemistry and Physics Handbook published every few years with many tables in it including Integral equations. All the tables used in math was also published separately. One table contained multiples of pi to 20 decimal places. (Very useful for high school trig classes! ) Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
On 23/07/15 09:40, Gary Collins wrote: We didn't have computers at all at school, neither did welog tables and slide rule! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
anne-ology wrote: true. I thoroughly enjoyed the way these massive machines were portrayed in the movies - filling an entire room, whirrin' with lights a-flashin' ;-) I worked several years with large computers (CDC Cyber series). One of my old professors used to say, years later: First we had computers filling a whole cabinet, with the documentation on a card. Now we have computers on a card, with the documentation filling a cabinet. -- Piet van Oostrum p...@vanoostrum.org WWW: http://pietvanoostrum.com/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015, 22:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey On 07/21/2015 07:15 AM, Gary Collins wrote: My first home computer was a BBC micro (anyone remember those?) That was back in the days when programming had to be really tight, only had 32Kb (yes, Kb) of RAM; long term storage was all external on cassette tapes My first computer was an IMSAI 8080, which I built up from bare boards and a bag of parts. I also had to buy a memory card and some I/O for it. I initially loaded in software via switches on the front panel and then saved to cassette. Back in those days, you knew your computer inside out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSAI_8080 Awesome! We didn't have computers at all at school, and I didn't really start getting into them until some time later. At that time I had no particular desire or intention to use computers except for a bit of fun programming, but eventually the twists and turns of life led me into a job programming the things. I was never any good at building hardware, though I did gain considerable knowledge (mostly long since forgotten) of how the circuitry works /Gary -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
The company I used to work for manufactured mass spectrometers and we used PDP 11s with software written in PASCAL to control the instruments and gather and present the data they generated. The biggest pain in the neck was having to use overlays to swap parts of the program code into and out of memory as required. These days, that sort of thing happens quite transparently, and unless you're into writing operating systems, it's not the sort of thing you're likely to come across. /Gary From: Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com To: Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com; Gary Collins gcatl...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015, 5:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey Hi :) PDP11s look interesting! A short article that claims the default OS was Multics; http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/PDP-11-Programmed-Data-Processor-11 but that many put Unix on it. Wikipedia gives a great long list of OSes that ran on or could run on PDP11s; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-11#Operating_systems As you can see in the url below Nuclear Power Plants are apparently still using and plan to continue using PDP11's until 2050 ! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/19/nuke_plants_to_keep_pdp11_until_2050/ Regards from Tom :) On 22 July 2015 at 03:21, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: My first real computer job was data entry typing punched cards for an IBM system. Then I started working at several colleges with those ghastly PDP/11 systems. One was the core for a large computer center with large tape units, and one was just a stand alone system with a drive platter and all of those dump terminals. That stand alone PDP/11 system is where I had to write/code/etc. a full general ledger accounting system using COBOL. Have you even tried to write a data entry system for an accounting system, so people could not type in the wrong info/data - like Feb 29th for a non-leap year or an account number that is not created, or other values that are not within the proper any of the data ranges. That was 3 time the coding size than all of the rest of the system, including the account query/search system and report generating systems. Yes, I remember those data cassette tape drive computers, before you could afford a dual floppy IBM PC/AT/XT clone. Then there were those 10 MEG hard drives. I saw the introduction of the PC based Hard Drive CD ROM drive, then burner Real Graphics above 640 by 480 I saw the introduction of the Bulletin board system that was interconnected so you had a primitive email address - mine was almost 80 characters long. I saw the start of the WWW part of the Internet, which is what is now THE Internet, since most of the other parts [terminal based mostly] have either died or been converted to use a browser. Of course there are still parts that run via the terminal which I still use from time to time - mostly local to server communications. The domain I use for this email address - I own - was first created in the early '90, when you only had 14.4 dialup for most areas of the US, and has gone from one domain service to another, and my hosting service from one to another, till I finally settled on the one[s] I have been using for many years now. Yes I have seen the wireless phone go from the big brick technology through to the introduction of the smart phone technology. I now use a LG base model Android phone, since I do not need all of the wow-wee stuff. I do not need to use it for my every computer need, like some are touted. I have bought 3 Android tablets over the years. I still use 2 of them. And no, I do not like the hype of not needing a larger system - laptop or desktop - since a Android, IOSx, or MS OS claims it will do everything you will need. My desktop I am typing this from is an old 4 core running Linux Mint 16 with 4 hard drives internal, 1 OS and 3 data drives - adding up to 6.25 TB - with 3 external 2 TB drives for backup. I use to have 4 backup, till an internal 2TB drive failed and I needed my spare to replace it. I really wonder how you could get a tablet to have 6 TB of data storage. I also like to see these tablets find printer drivers to run the USB or network printing. I have enough trouble tryng to find a working Linux [.deb] printer driver for my newer printers, and I have not been able to get any of my android tablets to access any of my colored printers - just a older HP laser printer. I now look for Linux drivers BEFORE I decide to buy the printers. I have gone from punched card data entry to web-based data entry screens. I have gone from cassette tapes, through to floppies, internal/external hard drives, USB flash drives and SD cards. I have seen mainframe computers the size of a bedroom, down to a refrigerator. I have seen the IBM PC come out
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
On 7/18/2015 9:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? I'm definitely in the minority of responders so far, as I only have one pc, a 6-year-old home desktop running Windows 7. My intentions at this time are to upgrade to Win 10 after it's been out 10-11 months (since it's free), depending on how things look then. I use both LO 4.3.7.2 (mainly Writer some Calc) and MS Office 2003 (mainly Excel, with 2 self-built Access applications). From the responses I've seen so far (including my own) the breakdown of preferred Operating Systems seems to be: 15 some flavor of Linux, led by: 4 OpenSUSE 3 Linux Mint 3 Ubuntu 4 Windows 7 1 Mac -- Tim Deaton -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
hello, I spent nearly 30 years with IBM, looking after mainframe customers as a systems engineer. I was around at the time when Bill G. convinced IBM to go his way with regard to PCs. I still don't quite understand WHY our people let themselves get convinced - I suppose it was mostly a matter of Bill being an excellent salesman and not too many technically minded people around on the side of Big Blue. Another sad fact is that IBM did turn its back on StarOffice, when looking for something to compete with M$ Office. In any case - this is history! On the other hand, somehow it looks to me as if M$ is in a state similar to the one IBM was in around the mid 90's... I run two computers, mainly for the administration of a traditional Austrian windband. - a Lenovo 4-Core system, running Debian 8, MySQL 5.5, PHP, Apache2, Owncloud, Libreoffice, Gimp ... it acts as a kind of server and backup for the Internet-based server of the band as well as of my Laptop - a Sony Laptop (2-core). I use dual boot, but 99 p.c. I boot to Mint 18.1 with KDE. It has all the necessary stuff for a desktop PC on it, including kdeconnect, used for sharing and backup with my Android phone (Xperia Z). On the laptop the second operating system (Windows 7) is only used for two things: - a flat bed scanner HP Scanjet G2710 (which is not supported well enough under Debian) and - my online banking system (ELBA) which is only supported under Windows. It has a lot more function than the version used through the browser and it is also more secure... Actually I think that there has to be better support for mission-critical, administrative software to REALLY make Linux viable for the man/woman of the road In any case, I have used Linux for some 15 years now and wouldn't DREAM of ever switching to either Apple or - least of all - M$. Regards from a very hot Salzburg/Austria H. Stoellinger Am 2015-07-22 um 17:12 schrieb Tim Deaton: On 7/18/2015 9:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? I'm definitely in the minority of responders so far, as I only have one pc, a 6-year-old home desktop running Windows 7. My intentions at this time are to upgrade to Win 10 after it's been out 10-11 months (since it's free), depending on how things look then. I use both LO 4.3.7.2 (mainly Writer some Calc) and MS Office 2003 (mainly Excel, with 2 self-built Access applications). From the responses I've seen so far (including my own) the breakdown of preferred Operating Systems seems to be: 15 some flavor of Linux, led by: 4 OpenSUSE 3 Linux Mint 3 Ubuntu 4 Windows 7 1 Mac -- Tim Deaton -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
On 07/22/2015 07:26 PM, anne-ology wrote: and going back further to the 1940-'50s, IBM thought that there would not be any market for these machines outside of financial scientific researchers ;-) IBM was looking at the market potential at that specific point in time, especially as it related to the cost of the individual computers. Today, we'd call that the top end of the super-computer/super-cluster market. It was only in the mid-sixties that corporate use of computers took off, and even then, most computer experts didn't think that individual would be using computers, basically on the grounds that computers would be too expensive for individuals. Maybe a few programmers would have hand-me-downs from where they worked, but that would be about the extent of personal computer usage. Not even the science fiction of the fifties and sixties anticipated that by the end of the twentieth century, computers would be as ubiquitous as they were. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 22.07.2015 um 21:26 schrieb anne-ology: and going back further to the 1940-'50s, IBM thought that there would not be any market for these machines outside of financial scientific researchers ;-) that is, why they don't make much money these days... =) - -- _ EDV-Systemberatung * Planung * Installation * Support Manfred BERTL, D-83451 Piding, Wiesenweg 16 Homepage at http://www.edv-bertl.de Tel.: +43-676-89692622mailto:manf...@edv-bertl.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlWv/loACgkQmllPjIGnd+Gv8ACgtra0zYWX3nivyJWmecQK/ZvV jR0An3/kPNs+7IF3ziSDX6td1+iYsLJr =6wh7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
and going back further to the 1940-'50s, IBM thought that there would not be any market for these machines outside of financial scientific researchers ;-) From: H. Stoellinger hc.stoellin...@aon.at Date: Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux] To: users@global.libreoffice.org hello, I spent nearly 30 years with IBM, looking after mainframe customers as a systems engineer. I was around at the time when Bill G. convinced IBM to go his way with regard to PCs. I still don't quite understand WHY our people let themselves get convinced - I suppose it was mostly a matter of Bill being an excellent salesman and not too many technically minded people around on the side of Big Blue. Another sad fact is that IBM did turn its back on StarOffice, when looking for something to compete with M$ Office. In any case - this is history! On the other hand, somehow it looks to me as if M$ is in a state similar to the one IBM was in around the mid 90's... I run two computers, mainly for the administration of a traditional Austrian windband. - a Lenovo 4-Core system, running Debian 8, MySQL 5.5, PHP, Apache2, Owncloud, Libreoffice, Gimp ... it acts as a kind of server and backup for the Internet-based server of the band as well as of my Laptop - a Sony Laptop (2-core). I use dual boot, but 99 p.c. I boot to Mint 18.1 with KDE. It has all the necessary stuff for a desktop PC on it, including kdeconnect, used for sharing and backup with my Android phone (Xperia Z). On the laptop the second operating system (Windows 7) is only used for two things: - a flat bed scanner HP Scanjet G2710 (which is not supported well enough under Debian) and - my online banking system (ELBA) which is only supported under Windows. It has a lot more function than the version used through the browser and it is also more secure... Actually I think that there has to be better support for mission-critical, administrative software to REALLY make Linux viable for the man/woman of the road In any case, I have used Linux for some 15 years now and wouldn't DREAM of ever switching to either Apple or - least of all - M$. Regards from a very hot Salzburg/Austria H. Stoellinger Am 2015-07-22 um 17:12 schrieb Tim Deaton: On 7/18/2015 9:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? I'm definitely in the minority of responders so far, as I only have one pc, a 6-year-old home desktop running Windows 7. My intentions at this time are to upgrade to Win 10 after it's been out 10-11 months (since it's free), depending on how things look then. I use both LO 4.3.7.2 (mainly Writer some Calc) and MS Office 2003 (mainly Excel, with 2 self-built Access applications). From the responses I've seen so far (including my own) the breakdown of preferred Operating Systems seems to be: 15 some flavor of Linux, led by: 4 OpenSUSE 3 Linux Mint 3 Ubuntu 4 Windows 7 1 Mac -- Tim Deaton -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 07/22/2015 07:28 PM, anne-ology wrote: I thoroughly enjoyed the way these massive machines were portrayed in the movies - filling an entire room, whirrin' with lights a-flashin' I used to maintain that sort of computer. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
On 07/22/2015 04:38 PM, toki wrote: Not even the science fiction of the fifties and sixties anticipated that by the end of the twentieth century, computers would be as ubiquitous as they were. I have a Tricorder app for my Android phone. ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2015, toki wrote: Not even the science fiction of the fifties and sixties anticipated that by the end of the twentieth century, computers would be as ubiquitous as they were. In 1967 the Philco-Ford Corporation released a short film titled 1999 A.D. In it the inevitable advances of the future are demonstrated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RRxqg4G-G4 warning: proceeded by an advertisement. f. -- Felmon Davis What's the use of a good quotation if you can't change it? -- The Doctor -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
true. I thoroughly enjoyed the way these massive machines were portrayed in the movies - filling an entire room, whirrin' with lights a-flashin' ;-) From: toki toki.kant...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux] To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 07/22/2015 07:26 PM, anne-ology wrote: and going back further to the 1940-'50s, IBM thought that there would not be any market for these machines outside of financial scientific researchers ;-) IBM was looking at the market potential at that specific point in time, especially as it related to the cost of the individual computers. Today, we'd call that the top end of the super-computer/super-cluster market. It was only in the mid-sixties that corporate use of computers took off, and even then, most computer experts didn't think that individual would be using computers, basically on the grounds that computers would be too expensive for individuals. Maybe a few programmers would have hand-me-downs from where they worked, but that would be about the extent of personal computer usage. Not even the science fiction of the fifties and sixties anticipated that by the end of the twentieth century, computers would be as ubiquitous as they were. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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true; although prior to that - 1965 - at the NY World's Fair, the GE exhibit was fantastic with it's future-look. From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu Date: Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux] To: users@global.libreoffice.org On Wed, 22 Jul 2015, toki wrote: Not even the science fiction of the fifties and sixties anticipated that by the end of the twentieth century, computers would be as ubiquitous as they were. In 1967 the Philco-Ford Corporation released a short film titled 1999 A.D. In it the inevitable advances of the future are demonstrated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RRxqg4G-G4 warning: proceeded by an advertisement. f. -- Felmon Davis What's the use of a good quotation if you can't change it? -- The Doctor -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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My remembers and my present: My first contact with a computer was with a main fraime (That all I know and remember of my first job). My second time was with a Unisys system that has a supply system to help my job. A very old kind of terminal. My third contact was my first time with windows (I don't know what was it), but was when I learn lotus-123 as a spreedsheet. My third job. In my four job I used As-400 for Account System, Unisys for the rest of system of the bank. And again, windows where I learn Office include Access (W-95 and its office with the best Access that I've known. Then go down). Here I bought my first personal computer (A clon). With windows and office with out access. In my last three jobs I used w7 and office and introduce to my self use OpenOffice and LibreOffice and Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. My actual personal computer has Ubuntu 14.04 LTS with dual boot with w7 for very especific situations. Both with LibreOffice and the second with OpenOffice too. The laptop has Ubuntu 15.04 LTS with LibreOffice and the tablet use Android with Android Open Office and WPS (Kingsoft Office) and others that I don't rememeber now very well. I hope not tired you with my computer's part of my live. Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El mar, 21-07-2015 a las 11:15 +, Gary Collins escribió: On 07/18/2015 09:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? My first home computer was a BBC micro (anyone remember those?) That was back in the days when programming had to be really tight, only had 32Kb (yes, Kb) of RAM; long term storage was all external on cassette tapes, eventually upgraded to floppy disk drive (and the disks really were floppy). I've still got that computer and AFAIK it still works! My next machine was Acorn Archimedes, followed by RISC PC. It's a great shame that the marketing for those machines was so poor, leading to collapse of the company. The ARM chips had a great architecture and instruction set. After that, I got my first laptop, a Sony Vaio running windows XP. When I upgraded, which I was forced to do due to a machine failure, I got a laptop running Windows 7 - which is still my current machine. A better Windows, once I'd got used to it, but it had a real downer - couldn't get driver for my flatbed scanner - Canon didn't produce one. At work, in my first job I used a computer called a PDP 11 (ghastly thing); can't remember what the OS was called. In my second job I think we started off with some sort of mainframe, the details of which are hazy now. Later we migrated to Sun Spark workstations. In my last real job, used PCs running windows, I think it was XP at that time. Now in my office based voluntary work I use PCs with Windows 7. Did have a play with Win 8 on a laptop, but hated it. It might be OK for tablets, I don't know, but it was horrible to use with normal PC input devices. I have thought about upgrading to Linux but have never got around to it. This is mainly because of familiarity with certain software packages, especially Photoshop. I know there is GIMP for Linux, but it's not a patch - for one thing, it doesn't have the concept of adjustment layers; and that means that all my working files, which tend to be saved as TIFF with layer compression, can't be properly loaded and edited in GIMP.I also make use of a video editor (not free but fairly inexpensive) which can edit MPEG2 files without reencoding unchanged parts of the video, which makes it quite fast and doesn't lose quality. Something like that probably does exist for Linux but I haven't got around to looking, and familiarity is a big part of the story.Another thing is the convenience of plug and play when it comes to hardware - I don't think I've ever had to manually load a driver, everything seems to work out of the box and that's a very good thing, saves a lot of time and effort. I'm not sure what Linux is like in that respect, as I've had no experience. On my phone I have android and I tend to get on reasonably well with that. I'm not sure what I will do if I ever need to change computer again. /Gary -- Atentamente, Jorge Rodríguez -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
My first real computer job was data entry typing punched cards for an IBM system. Then I started working at several colleges with those ghastly PDP/11 systems. One was the core for a large computer center with large tape units, and one was just a stand alone system with a drive platter and all of those dump terminals. That stand alone PDP/11 system is where I had to write/code/etc. a full general ledger accounting system using COBOL. Have you even tried to write a data entry system for an accounting system, so people could not type in the wrong info/data - like Feb 29th for a non-leap year or an account number that is not created, or other values that are not within the proper any of the data ranges. That was 3 time the coding size than all of the rest of the system, including the account query/search system and report generating systems. Yes, I remember those data cassette tape drive computers, before you could afford a dual floppy IBM PC/AT/XT clone. Then there were those 10 MEG hard drives. I saw the introduction of the PC based Hard Drive CD ROM drive, then burner Real Graphics above 640 by 480 I saw the introduction of the Bulletin board system that was interconnected so you had a primitive email address - mine was almost 80 characters long. I saw the start of the WWW part of the Internet, which is what is now THE Internet, since most of the other parts [terminal based mostly] have either died or been converted to use a browser. Of course there are still parts that run via the terminal which I still use from time to time - mostly local to server communications. The domain I use for this email address - I own - was first created in the early '90, when you only had 14.4 dialup for most areas of the US, and has gone from one domain service to another, and my hosting service from one to another, till I finally settled on the one[s] I have been using for many years now. Yes I have seen the wireless phone go from the big brick technology through to the introduction of the smart phone technology. I now use a LG base model Android phone, since I do not need all of the wow-wee stuff. I do not need to use it for my every computer need, like some are touted. I have bought 3 Android tablets over the years. I still use 2 of them. And no, I do not like the hype of not needing a larger system - laptop or desktop - since a Android, IOSx, or MS OS claims it will do everything you will need. My desktop I am typing this from is an old 4 core running Linux Mint 16 with 4 hard drives internal, 1 OS and 3 data drives - adding up to 6.25 TB - with 3 external 2 TB drives for backup. I use to have 4 backup, till an internal 2TB drive failed and I needed my spare to replace it. I really wonder how you could get a tablet to have 6 TB of data storage. I also like to see these tablets find printer drivers to run the USB or network printing. I have enough trouble tryng to find a working Linux [.deb] printer driver for my newer printers, and I have not been able to get any of my android tablets to access any of my colored printers - just a older HP laser printer. I now look for Linux drivers BEFORE I decide to buy the printers. I have gone from punched card data entry to web-based data entry screens. I have gone from cassette tapes, through to floppies, internal/external hard drives, USB flash drives and SD cards. I have seen mainframe computers the size of a bedroom, down to a refrigerator. I have seen the IBM PC come out to the modern 4/6/8/16 core desktops. I have use portable computers that were 30+ pounds down to the ultra thing, ultra light multi-core tablets. I have retired from the computer field - as they use to call it - after 3 computer related degrees and many computer related jobs. Then I had to get permanently and 100% disabled working as a substitute teacher by a student who should have been locked up in a mental ward. On 07/21/2015 07:15 AM, Gary Collins wrote: On 07/18/2015 09:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? My first home computer was a BBC micro (anyone remember those?) That was back in the days when programming had to be really tight, only had 32Kb (yes, Kb) of RAM; long term storage was all external on cassette tapes, eventually upgraded to floppy disk drive (and the disks really were floppy). I've still got that computer and AFAIK it still works! My next machine was Acorn Archimedes, followed by RISC PC. It's a great shame that the marketing for those machines was so poor, leading to collapse of the company. The ARM chips had a great architecture and instruction set. After that, I got my first laptop, a Sony Vaio running windows XP. When I upgraded, which I was forced to do due to a machine failure, I got a
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
Hi :) PDP11s look interesting! A short article that claims the default OS was Multics; http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/PDP-11-Programmed-Data-Processor-11 but that many put Unix on it. Wikipedia gives a great long list of OSes that ran on or could run on PDP11s; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-11#Operating_systems As you can see in the url below Nuclear Power Plants are apparently still using and plan to continue using PDP11's until 2050 ! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/19/nuke_plants_to_keep_pdp11_until_2050/ Regards from Tom :) On 22 July 2015 at 03:21, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: My first real computer job was data entry typing punched cards for an IBM system. Then I started working at several colleges with those ghastly PDP/11 systems. One was the core for a large computer center with large tape units, and one was just a stand alone system with a drive platter and all of those dump terminals. That stand alone PDP/11 system is where I had to write/code/etc. a full general ledger accounting system using COBOL. Have you even tried to write a data entry system for an accounting system, so people could not type in the wrong info/data - like Feb 29th for a non-leap year or an account number that is not created, or other values that are not within the proper any of the data ranges. That was 3 time the coding size than all of the rest of the system, including the account query/search system and report generating systems. Yes, I remember those data cassette tape drive computers, before you could afford a dual floppy IBM PC/AT/XT clone. Then there were those 10 MEG hard drives. I saw the introduction of the PC based Hard Drive CD ROM drive, then burner Real Graphics above 640 by 480 I saw the introduction of the Bulletin board system that was interconnected so you had a primitive email address - mine was almost 80 characters long. I saw the start of the WWW part of the Internet, which is what is now THE Internet, since most of the other parts [terminal based mostly] have either died or been converted to use a browser. Of course there are still parts that run via the terminal which I still use from time to time - mostly local to server communications. The domain I use for this email address - I own - was first created in the early '90, when you only had 14.4 dialup for most areas of the US, and has gone from one domain service to another, and my hosting service from one to another, till I finally settled on the one[s] I have been using for many years now. Yes I have seen the wireless phone go from the big brick technology through to the introduction of the smart phone technology. I now use a LG base model Android phone, since I do not need all of the wow-wee stuff. I do not need to use it for my every computer need, like some are touted. I have bought 3 Android tablets over the years. I still use 2 of them. And no, I do not like the hype of not needing a larger system - laptop or desktop - since a Android, IOSx, or MS OS claims it will do everything you will need. My desktop I am typing this from is an old 4 core running Linux Mint 16 with 4 hard drives internal, 1 OS and 3 data drives - adding up to 6.25 TB - with 3 external 2 TB drives for backup. I use to have 4 backup, till an internal 2TB drive failed and I needed my spare to replace it. I really wonder how you could get a tablet to have 6 TB of data storage. I also like to see these tablets find printer drivers to run the USB or network printing. I have enough trouble tryng to find a working Linux [.deb] printer driver for my newer printers, and I have not been able to get any of my android tablets to access any of my colored printers - just a older HP laser printer. I now look for Linux drivers BEFORE I decide to buy the printers. I have gone from punched card data entry to web-based data entry screens. I have gone from cassette tapes, through to floppies, internal/external hard drives, USB flash drives and SD cards. I have seen mainframe computers the size of a bedroom, down to a refrigerator. I have seen the IBM PC come out to the modern 4/6/8/16 core desktops. I have use portable computers that were 30+ pounds down to the ultra thing, ultra light multi-core tablets. I have retired from the computer field - as they use to call it - after 3 computer related degrees and many computer related jobs. Then I had to get permanently and 100% disabled working as a substitute teacher by a student who should have been locked up in a mental ward. On 07/21/2015 07:15 AM, Gary Collins wrote: On 07/18/2015 09:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? My first home computer was a BBC micro (anyone remember those?) That was
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
Hi :) I'm sure many on this mailing list would be willing to help you get started. There are various ways of doing quite a lot of test-driving before committing yourself to anything. 1. It is probably good to 'rescue' an older machine from somewhere in order to test-drive a few things first just in case you run into any misunderstandings or accidents. 2. Alternatively, it can be neat if you are comfortable enough (and good enough) with hardware and have a desktop or other machine where it's easy to plonk in a 2nd (or 3rd or whatever) hard-drive and just leave it in there. Then when you want to try out linux you just unplug your Windows drive(s) and plug in your Linux one. That can usually avoid needing to mess around with the bios but not always - but at least if it doesn't work or something goes wrong then you can just plug your Windows drive(s) back in to get back to where you were. 3. A much safer way would be to create a Virtual Machine inside Windows. This is MUCH easier than it sounds! Basically just install the program Virtualbox in Windows just the same as you would install any other program. There are a lot of other such programs but Virtualbox is free and fairly friendly for pointclick users. 4. If you are confident enough to risk using a machine that you kinda depend on at the moment then we can probably give some help with that too. Option 3 is probably the quickest, safest and easiest way to start but it doesn't give much of a feel for what is really going on. I feel i understand things better if i can physically get my hands on them. But maybe start with 3 and then move on to one of the other options? Let us know which option you think you can handle, when you have time to dip your toe into the new adventure! ;) Regards from Tom :) On 21 July 2015 at 20:27, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, you're survey has me interested; and I'm quite amazed at the results which have been posted so far ... [see my responses intermingled below in your query] From: James E Lang jim+...@lang.hm Date: Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 8:25 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey To: users@global.libreoffice.org The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? [I've considered switching to Linux or Ubuntu; but need someone to guide me along the way ;-)] To set the tone, here are my answers: • I am retired so at work is not applicable [ditto; although I noticed when I became semi-retired, I was busier - now I'm really busier; I have piles of data to look o'er yet ne'er seem to have the time to so do] • At home we have a desktop dual boot Windows XP (and Ubuntu Linux) computer, a laptop dual boot Kubuntu Linux (and pre-installed Windows Vista) computer and several other laptop, desktop, and dedicated server (Ubuntu Linux based) computers. I also have Android Lollipop, Android Kit Kat, and Android Jelly Bean tablets and phones. I have nothing from Apple. [wow, how do you use so many computers; I still have the last desktop computer (MSFT), still hooked to the 3-in-1 printer (non-functioning) - switched to laptops (MSFT, WIN 7); and hand-held ACER (MSFT)] • Windows XP is used primarily for single player gaming and e-Sword Bible software though it also is used to run LO, FireFox and Pegasus Mail (proprietary though free of cost). [single-player gaming ? - curiously wondering how anyone has time for games on these machines?] • Kubuntu Linux is my general purpose go to environment. My first Linux system used what I believe was the penultimate marketed version from SuSE before the first release of Open SuSE. I liked the flexibility that was inherent in the KDE desktop environment and found the UI to be quite similar to that of Windows at the time. I have briefly tried Gnome and Unity desktop environments but KDE is my personal first choice. [curiously wondering what all that is?] • If I had a tablet computer that I thought could support my Linux usage it, too, would run Kubuntu Linux, LO, etc. [so are those programs too large for laptops, ...; I'm sold on the laptop as a WIN-WIN situation: (1) if the electricity pops off, the battery allows whatever not to be lost; (2) it's portable for maintenance as well as presenting programs, etc.] • Apple equipment is too expensive for me and from what I've heard about the company's software policies, they are too restrictive to suit me. [my first computer was that Apple 2E; which continually had problems] • Dual boot capabilities are seldom used to deviate from the above information. [wow, you mean you run all your computers at once?] • The BSODs on Windows influenced my initial adoption
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
Wow, you're survey has me interested; and I'm quite amazed at the results which have been posted so far ... [see my responses intermingled below in your query] From: James E Lang jim+...@lang.hm Date: Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 8:25 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey To: users@global.libreoffice.org The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? [I've considered switching to Linux or Ubuntu; but need someone to guide me along the way ;-)] To set the tone, here are my answers: • I am retired so at work is not applicable [ditto; although I noticed when I became semi-retired, I was busier - now I'm really busier; I have piles of data to look o'er yet ne'er seem to have the time to so do] • At home we have a desktop dual boot Windows XP (and Ubuntu Linux) computer, a laptop dual boot Kubuntu Linux (and pre-installed Windows Vista) computer and several other laptop, desktop, and dedicated server (Ubuntu Linux based) computers. I also have Android Lollipop, Android Kit Kat, and Android Jelly Bean tablets and phones. I have nothing from Apple. [wow, how do you use so many computers; I still have the last desktop computer (MSFT), still hooked to the 3-in-1 printer (non-functioning) - switched to laptops (MSFT, WIN 7); and hand-held ACER (MSFT)] • Windows XP is used primarily for single player gaming and e-Sword Bible software though it also is used to run LO, FireFox and Pegasus Mail (proprietary though free of cost). [single-player gaming ? - curiously wondering how anyone has time for games on these machines?] • Kubuntu Linux is my general purpose go to environment. My first Linux system used what I believe was the penultimate marketed version from SuSE before the first release of Open SuSE. I liked the flexibility that was inherent in the KDE desktop environment and found the UI to be quite similar to that of Windows at the time. I have briefly tried Gnome and Unity desktop environments but KDE is my personal first choice. [curiously wondering what all that is?] • If I had a tablet computer that I thought could support my Linux usage it, too, would run Kubuntu Linux, LO, etc. [so are those programs too large for laptops, ...; I'm sold on the laptop as a WIN-WIN situation: (1) if the electricity pops off, the battery allows whatever not to be lost; (2) it's portable for maintenance as well as presenting programs, etc.] • Apple equipment is too expensive for me and from what I've heard about the company's software policies, they are too restrictive to suit me. [my first computer was that Apple 2E; which continually had problems] • Dual boot capabilities are seldom used to deviate from the above information. [wow, you mean you run all your computers at once?] • The BSODs on Windows influenced my initial adoption of Linux. [BSODs ???] -- Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 18 July 2015 at 20:25, James E Lang jim+...@lang.hm wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? At work (network admin), I am stuck with a Micro$oft Windows environment. My work machine is Win7. (For those comfortable with Win7, switching to Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop is *much* easier than 'upgrading' to Win8.x) At home, I use Linux: Ubuntu for my wife (because the nag about system updates s in your face and can't be ignored) and Mint for me (because after working long days [18 hrs yesterday] I *don't* want to have to mess with my PC; I just want it to work). If money were no object, I might consider switching to a Mac, but all my home PCs are self-built because I want to get what I want without paying a premium. My main system is quad-core i7 @ 4.00GHz with 16 GiB RAM. Answer to person asking what BSOD meant: Blue Screen of Death. (Once, in the middle of an 11 hour phone conversation with a Micro$oft tech, I made a reference to a BSOD. He replied indignantly, 'We don't refer to it by that name!' I replied: 'You know what i mean since that is the industry standard terminology.' He didn't reply to that.) A web search on 'bsod' can quickly identify the meaning. -- T. R. Valentine A rich heart may be under a poor coat. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 07/21/2015 07:15 AM, Gary Collins wrote: My first home computer was a BBC micro (anyone remember those?) That was back in the days when programming had to be really tight, only had 32Kb (yes, Kb) of RAM; long term storage was all external on cassette tapes My first computer was an IMSAI 8080, which I built up from bare boards and a bag of parts. I also had to buy a memory card and some I/O for it. I initially loaded in software via switches on the front panel and then saved to cassette. Back in those days, you knew your computer inside out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSAI_8080 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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My 2 main machines are both Macintosh systems running Yosemite. Work is also home so no differences there. Main development machine is a Mac Laptop. On 2015-07-19 03:25, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire Desert Weyr, LLC - Black Welsh Mountain Sheep http://www.desertweyr.com/ LambTracker - Open Source SW for Shepherds http://www.lambtracker.com Paonia, CO USA -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 07/18/2015 09:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? My first home computer was a BBC micro (anyone remember those?) That was back in the days when programming had to be really tight, only had 32Kb (yes, Kb) of RAM; long term storage was all external on cassette tapes, eventually upgraded to floppy disk drive (and the disks really were floppy). I've still got that computer and AFAIK it still works! My next machine was Acorn Archimedes, followed by RISC PC. It's a great shame that the marketing for those machines was so poor, leading to collapse of the company. The ARM chips had a great architecture and instruction set. After that, I got my first laptop, a Sony Vaio running windows XP. When I upgraded, which I was forced to do due to a machine failure, I got a laptop running Windows 7 - which is still my current machine. A better Windows, once I'd got used to it, but it had a real downer - couldn't get driver for my flatbed scanner - Canon didn't produce one. At work, in my first job I used a computer called a PDP 11 (ghastly thing); can't remember what the OS was called. In my second job I think we started off with some sort of mainframe, the details of which are hazy now. Later we migrated to Sun Spark workstations. In my last real job, used PCs running windows, I think it was XP at that time. Now in my office based voluntary work I use PCs with Windows 7. Did have a play with Win 8 on a laptop, but hated it. It might be OK for tablets, I don't know, but it was horrible to use with normal PC input devices. I have thought about upgrading to Linux but have never got around to it. This is mainly because of familiarity with certain software packages, especially Photoshop. I know there is GIMP for Linux, but it's not a patch - for one thing, it doesn't have the concept of adjustment layers; and that means that all my working files, which tend to be saved as TIFF with layer compression, can't be properly loaded and edited in GIMP.I also make use of a video editor (not free but fairly inexpensive) which can edit MPEG2 files without reencoding unchanged parts of the video, which makes it quite fast and doesn't lose quality. Something like that probably does exist for Linux but I haven't got around to looking, and familiarity is a big part of the story.Another thing is the convenience of plug and play when it comes to hardware - I don't think I've ever had to manually load a driver, everything seems to work out of the box and that's a very good thing, saves a lot of time and effort. I'm not sure what Linux is like in that respect, as I've had no experience. On my phone I have android and I tend to get on reasonably well with that. I'm not sure what I will do if I ever need to change computer again. /Gary -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19.07.2015 03:25, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? To set the tone, here are my answers: ⢠I am retired so at work is not applicable ⢠At home we have a desktop dual boot Windows XP (and Ubuntu Linux) computer, a laptop dual boot Kubuntu Linux (and pre-installed Windows Vista) computer and several other laptop, desktop, and dedicated server (Ubuntu Linux based) computers. I also have Android Lollipop, Android Kit Kat, and Android Jelly Bean tablets and phones. I have nothing from Apple. ⢠Windows XP is used primarily for single player gaming and e-Sword Bible software though it also is used to run LO, FireFox and Pegasus Mail (proprietary though free of cost). ⢠Kubuntu Linux is my general purpose go to environment. My first Linux system used what I believe was the penultimate marketed version from SuSE before the first release of Open SuSE. I liked the flexibility that was inherent in the KDE desktop environment and found the UI to be quite similar to that of Windows at the time. I have briefly tried Gnome and Unity desktop environments but KDE is my personal first choice. ⢠If I had a tablet computer that I thought could support my Linux usage it, too, would run Kubuntu Linux, LO, etc. ⢠Apple equipment is too expensive for me and from what I've heard about the company's software policies, they are too restrictive to suit me. ⢠Dual boot capabilities are seldom used to deviate from the above information. ⢠The BSODs on Windows influenced my initial adoption of Linux. My 25 Cents: - - Main machine: 3,8GHz OctoCore with 32GB RAM, running CentOS7 and LO 4.3.7.2 - - Notebook: ThinkPad T410 with CentOS7 and LO 4.3.7.2; also as database server for Base Applications (MySQL) - - Windows Gaming Machine: SixCore with 16Gigs and Win7Pro, LO 4.4.x for testing - - Sun Solaris 9 on UltraSparc III (Sun Blade 1000 DualCore), for automated testing (not active anymore) - - and countless virtual machines with different Windows and Linux versions for testing regards, fred - -- _ EDV-Systemberatung * Planung * Installation * Support Manfred BERTL, D-83451 Piding, Wiesenweg 16 Homepage at http://www.edv-bertl.de Tel.: +43-676-89692622mailto:manf...@edv-bertl.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlWt4IcACgkQmllPjIGnd+FbqACfVesHwNSPB0q49SmiN5IpE4OF vlEAn2wRIavm9jGZUt1+/lPItyRoFgXZ =13UJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 07/19/15 03:25, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? I use LO 4.3 on a FreeBSD 10.1/amd64 laptop. On the desktop I'm running FreeBSD 9.3/i386 and I'm still using OpenOffice; I think I'll switch when a more recent version hits the port tree. These are my work-station, but I work at home :) I too think it's a good idea to setup an official survey. bye av. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On Sat, 2015-07-18 at 21:43 -0400, James Knott wrote: On 07/18/2015 09:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? Personal: All computers run openSUSE 13.1 ThinkPad E520 came with Windows 7 and can dual boot Run Windows 10 in VirtualBox Google Nexus 5 phone and Nexus 7 tablet Work: (I didn't choose either of these.) ThinkPad X131e running Windows 8.1 iPhone 6 I like Linux, ThinkPads and Android. I have 2 (or 4) (one 64-bit, 1 (3) 32-bit) towers and a laptop (64-bit) with Opensuse 13.2, (I don't really use 2 of the older towers!) and I run Gnome on them all. I can dual boot the laptop with Windows 7 home premium which was pre-installed, but I only do that when it is absolutely necessary and I have virtual box ready with windows 2000 on my main tower. Otherwise, I have more or less abandoned windows. My wife has a Macbook. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 07/18/2015 09:43 PM, James Knott wrote: On 07/18/2015 09:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? Personal: All computers run openSUSE 13.1 ThinkPad E520 came with Windows 7 and can dual boot Run Windows 10 in VirtualBox Google Nexus 5 phone and Nexus 7 tablet Work: (I didn't choose either of these.) ThinkPad X131e running Windows 8.1 iPhone 6 I like Linux, ThinkPads and Android. For Windows, I have a desktop, or two, and two laptops with Win7 [either Home or Pro editions]. Since the drop of XP from MS's OS support system, I am slowly converting my old hardware [stored for now] from XP to some version of Ubuntu. For Linux, I an running Linux Mint 16.x and Ubuntu 15.04 with both the MATE desktop installed. Ubuntu now has MATE in its repository. I do have tow working Android tablets one running 2.x and and the other 4.4. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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_**_ *Hi All *After 25+ years in the Computer business I retired in the early 2000s. I had been involved with CP/M, DOS and Windows during this period and even did a Xenix Course at one time which I found interesting, (Unix was a propitiatory name in those days!!). I also played with Coral Linux, (who remembers that?? Rumored to actually MS Linux given to Coral to Test the Waters!!!) The first thing I did after I retired was get rid of Windows!! I started with Ubuntu but hated Gnome - so I tried Kubuntu. Better but I was still not happy so moved to Mint. Better still but something still missing. Then found PClinuxOS - tried it and have stayed there ever since. Magic flavour of Linux - can not recommend it enough!! I run a Desktop and an old Laptop both PCLOS. Converted my Partner a few years ago as well when her Windows crashed for the umpteenth time and she loves it too. We both run Specialist Groups on the Internet, produce publications etc etc and we are a totally Microsoft-Free Zone (except for Skype - which MS bought anyway!!) I have also helped a few others to convert and do so whenever the chance comes up. With the exception of a lot of games and specialist programs written only for Windows you can do everything the average person needs to do with Linux and it's better priced, more secure, faster etc etc and the Support Forums are awesome. I still have an HP/Compaq Tablet - TC 1100 - a great machine for its time and would love to get Linux on that but have had no luck. Would love a Linux Tablet!! Will NOT look at any Apple products and there is nothing worth doing on small Android screens except SMSs so I don't look there either. Linux is the way to go IanW Pretoria RSA -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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I am not young (as someone suggested early on that Linux users usually are). I have Linux lxle on one desktop, opensuse on another desktop, and ubuntu on a very very old laptop. No windows products. Android tablet. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:43 PM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: On 07/18/2015 09:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? Personal: All computers run openSUSE 13.1 ThinkPad E520 came with Windows 7 and can dual boot Run Windows 10 in VirtualBox Google Nexus 5 phone and Nexus 7 tablet Work: (I didn't choose either of these.) ThinkPad X131e running Windows 8.1 iPhone 6 I like Linux, ThinkPads and Android. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse12.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Before I became a pensioner my work environment was Sun Solaris, but my workstation was Redhat later Ubuntu linux. I had Windows 7 in a Virtualbox for some administrative functions which required Windows. Others in my group (sysops) used other varieties of linux. The grunts used Windows. At home my son gave me his pensioned off Macbook, at which I swore for a week, and suddenly became a devoted Mac user. My wife uses Windows 7, I use Mavericks on my Mac Mini, Ubuntu 14-04 on my linux machine. Both machines have Virtualbox, and I'm trying to get OSX running on the linux box. I have it in a Virtualbox at the moment. My Mac Mini and Ubuntu box both run Libreoffice. My wife's machine has LIbreoffice and MS Office, which she uses from force of habit. I'm a little amused that my wife will be getting a Mac (model unknown, but probably running Yosemite) in the autumn as her new job-computer. She's already taking lessons on my machine! James On 2015-07-19 03:25, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? To set the tone, here are my answers: • I am retired so at work is not applicable • At home we have a desktop dual boot Windows XP (and Ubuntu Linux) computer, a laptop dual boot Kubuntu Linux (and pre-installed Windows Vista) computer and several other laptop, desktop, and dedicated server (Ubuntu Linux based) computers. I also have Android Lollipop, Android Kit Kat, and Android Jelly Bean tablets and phones. I have nothing from Apple. • Windows XP is used primarily for single player gaming and e-Sword Bible software though it also is used to run LO, FireFox and Pegasus Mail (proprietary though free of cost). • Kubuntu Linux is my general purpose go to environment. My first Linux system used what I believe was the penultimate marketed version from SuSE before the first release of Open SuSE. I liked the flexibility that was inherent in the KDE desktop environment and found the UI to be quite similar to that of Windows at the time. I have briefly tried Gnome and Unity desktop environments but KDE is my personal first choice. • If I had a tablet computer that I thought could support my Linux usage it, too, would run Kubuntu Linux, LO, etc. • Apple equipment is too expensive for me and from what I've heard about the company's software policies, they are too restrictive to suit me. • Dual boot capabilities are seldom used to deviate from the above information. • The BSODs on Windows influenced my initial adoption of Linux. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 07/19/2015 03:25 AM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? To set the tone, here are my answers: here are mines: Personal: All computers (3 mine, 1 my son, 1 mysister) runs openSUSE 13.2 or 13.1 virtualbox with windows7 and dual booted with windows7 3 android phones work: usually I use many computers, windows 2000, 98, XP, 7, 8, and 8.1; macintosh yosemite; linux opensuse 13.2. in all of them from windows XP to 8.1 mac and linux I use libreoffice and microsoft word and excel and filemakerpro and imagej and gimp and irfanview. recently a collegue start to use python to switch from labview so also python start to works on these pc. about 10 oscilloscopes with windows 98, vista(terrible), XP, 7; one with linux(terrible too) bye :-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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While we're waiting for a formal survey to be developed: My primary machine is a Sony Vaio laptop with Windows 7, used for both home and work. While I have a UNIX background and would be willing to experiment with LINUX, there is software I need for work that comes in Windows or Windows. (Windows is, however, the only thing for which Microsoft gets a dime of my money.) I have four older computers, as well: two laptops and two desktops. The desktop that is in anything resembling use runs Windows 2000, the newer laptop has Windows XP, and the other two have Windows NT. None of these is connected to the Internet and I keep them around (a) out of habit, (b) because the upgrades to some of my favorite games are actually retrogrades, and (c) I some have old software that I like but can't justify paying to upgrade -- it's just for my own use, so compatibility isn't an issue. I'll never buy Apple equipment simply because I'm allergic to proprietary hardware! Software is bad enough. Just so you know where I'm coming from: I had about 35 years in IT before getting laid off from my position as Quality Manager for a software company (and my understanding is that they've ever since regretted dismantling the Quality Department). I now have my own accounting practice, so I'm much more a user than a techie though I can still do logical design with the best of them (I also spent time as a data modeler, as well as the usual programming gigs). As a user, I'm less likely to be willing to put the time into learning the technicalities of newer tech stuff. Dave Liesse On 7/18/2015 18:25, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? To set the tone, here are my answers: • I am retired so at work is not applicable • At home we have a desktop dual boot Windows XP (and Ubuntu Linux) computer, a laptop dual boot Kubuntu Linux (and pre-installed Windows Vista) computer and several other laptop, desktop, and dedicated server (Ubuntu Linux based) computers. I also have Android Lollipop, Android Kit Kat, and Android Jelly Bean tablets and phones. I have nothing from Apple. • Windows XP is used primarily for single player gaming and e-Sword Bible software though it also is used to run LO, FireFox and Pegasus Mail (proprietary though free of cost). • Kubuntu Linux is my general purpose go to environment. My first Linux system used what I believe was the penultimate marketed version from SuSE before the first release of Open SuSE. I liked the flexibility that was inherent in the KDE desktop environment and found the UI to be quite similar to that of Windows at the time. I have briefly tried Gnome and Unity desktop environments but KDE is my personal first choice. • If I had a tablet computer that I thought could support my Linux usage it, too, would run Kubuntu Linux, LO, etc. • Apple equipment is too expensive for me and from what I've heard about the company's software policies, they are too restrictive to suit me. • Dual boot capabilities are seldom used to deviate from the above information. • The BSODs on Windows influenced my initial adoption of Linux. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hello everyone, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com @ 2015-07-19 03:43 CEST: On 07/18/2015 09:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? Personal: All computers run openSUSE 13.1 ThinkPad E520 came with Windows 7 and can dual boot Run Windows 10 in VirtualBox Google Nexus 5 phone and Nexus 7 tablet Work: (I didn't choose either of these.) ThinkPad X131e running Windows 8.1 iPhone 6 I like Linux, ThinkPads and Android. If anybody's interested in broadening the audience of this survey, we can create an actual online survey and attract several hundreds/thousands Libreoffice users. It's always good to collect this kind of information. Just let me/us know. Cheers, -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder, The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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I work at home, where I have a 15-year old Mac G4 running OS 10.4, and a new System76 Gazelle Pro running Ubuntu 15.04. I love the Mac and it continues to work just fine (knock on wood), but it became increasingly frustrating or impossible to access the Web 2.0-style mobile-targeted websites with OS 10.4 browsers. I bought the System76 experimentally to see if it was possible to get away from the proprietary-systems racket. I am not yet sure what the answer is. I am a (Unix) software developer by profession, but I don't really want to have to learn how to develop my own laptop environment; I want it to already provide me with the tools I need to do other work. My Mac definitely does that; I am not (yet?) convinced that Ubuntu can. -malgosia -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi, At work I use Windows 7 for corporate policy reasons. At home, three computers currently. One has only Linux installed (my desktop), one laptop is dual boot between W7 and Linux, and the last has W8.1 and will be set up as a dual boot. Only my desktop is used for anything more stressful the surfing and email, mostly some programming and photo editing. On 07/19/2015 11:02 PM, Dave Liesse wrote: While we're waiting for a formal survey to be developed: My primary machine is a Sony Vaio laptop with Windows 7, used for both home and work. While I have a UNIX background and would be willing to experiment with LINUX, there is software I need for work that comes in Windows or Windows. (Windows is, however, the only thing for which Microsoft gets a dime of my money.) I have four older computers, as well: two laptops and two desktops. The desktop that is in anything resembling use runs Windows 2000, the newer laptop has Windows XP, and the other two have Windows NT. None of these is connected to the Internet and I keep them around (a) out of habit, (b) because the upgrades to some of my favorite games are actually retrogrades, and (c) I some have old software that I like but can't justify paying to upgrade -- it's just for my own use, so compatibility isn't an issue. I'll never buy Apple equipment simply because I'm allergic to proprietary hardware! Software is bad enough. Just so you know where I'm coming from: I had about 35 years in IT before getting laid off from my position as Quality Manager for a software company (and my understanding is that they've ever since regretted dismantling the Quality Department). I now have my own accounting practice, so I'm much more a user than a techie though I can still do logical design with the best of them (I also spent time as a data modeler, as well as the usual programming gigs). As a user, I'm less likely to be willing to put the time into learning the technicalities of newer tech stuff. Dave Liesse On 7/18/2015 18:25, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? To set the tone, here are my answers: • I am retired so at work is not applicable • At home we have a desktop dual boot Windows XP (and Ubuntu Linux) computer, a laptop dual boot Kubuntu Linux (and pre-installed Windows Vista) computer and several other laptop, desktop, and dedicated server (Ubuntu Linux based) computers. I also have Android Lollipop, Android Kit Kat, and Android Jelly Bean tablets and phones. I have nothing from Apple. • Windows XP is used primarily for single player gaming and e-Sword Bible software though it also is used to run LO, FireFox and Pegasus Mail (proprietary though free of cost). • Kubuntu Linux is my general purpose go to environment. My first Linux system used what I believe was the penultimate marketed version from SuSE before the first release of Open SuSE. I liked the flexibility that was inherent in the KDE desktop environment and found the UI to be quite similar to that of Windows at the time. I have briefly tried Gnome and Unity desktop environments but KDE is my personal first choice. • If I had a tablet computer that I thought could support my Linux usage it, too, would run Kubuntu Linux, LO, etc. • Apple equipment is too expensive for me and from what I've heard about the company's software policies, they are too restrictive to suit me. • Dual boot capabilities are seldom used to deviate from the above information. • The BSODs on Windows influenced my initial adoption of Linux. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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always a good idea. this should be done about once every 6 mo. to also track trends. first the questions should be suggested and agreed upon. then, before the next survey 6 mo. down the road, we discuss modifications to the list; probably more additions than deletions, maybe a few wording changes. John On 07/19/2015 08:12 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello everyone, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com @ 2015-07-19 03:43 CEST: On 07/18/2015 09:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? Personal: All computers run openSUSE 13.1 ThinkPad E520 came with Windows 7 and can dual boot Run Windows 10 in VirtualBox Google Nexus 5 phone and Nexus 7 tablet Work: (I didn't choose either of these.) ThinkPad X131e running Windows 8.1 iPhone 6 I like Linux, ThinkPads and Android. If anybody's interested in broadening the audience of this survey, we can create an actual online survey and attract several hundreds/thousands Libreoffice users. It's always good to collect this kind of information. Just let me/us know. Cheers, -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 07/18/2015 09:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? Personal: All computers run openSUSE 13.1 ThinkPad E520 came with Windows 7 and can dual boot Run Windows 10 in VirtualBox Google Nexus 5 phone and Nexus 7 tablet Work: (I didn't choose either of these.) ThinkPad X131e running Windows 8.1 iPhone 6 I like Linux, ThinkPads and Android. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
On 07/18/2015 06:25 PM, James E Lang wrote: The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? To set the tone, here are my answers: • I am retired so at work is not applicable • At home we have a desktop dual boot Windows XP (and Ubuntu Linux) computer, a laptop dual boot Kubuntu Linux (and pre-installed Windows Vista) computer and several other laptop, desktop, and dedicated server (Ubuntu Linux based) computers. I also have Android Lollipop, Android Kit Kat, and Android Jelly Bean tablets and phones. I have nothing from Apple. • Windows XP is used primarily for single player gaming and e-Sword Bible software though it also is used to run LO, FireFox and Pegasus Mail (proprietary though free of cost). • Kubuntu Linux is my general purpose go to environment. My first Linux system used what I believe was the penultimate marketed version from SuSE before the first release of Open SuSE. I liked the flexibility that was inherent in the KDE desktop environment and found the UI to be quite similar to that of Windows at the time. I have briefly tried Gnome and Unity desktop environments but KDE is my personal first choice. • If I had a tablet computer that I thought could support my Linux usage it, too, would run Kubuntu Linux, LO, etc. • Apple equipment is too expensive for me and from what I've heard about the company's software policies, they are too restrictive to suit me. • Dual boot capabilities are seldom used to deviate from the above information. • The BSODs on Windows influenced my initial adoption of Linux. At work, I use Windows 7. At home, I use Ubuntu Linux (64-bit) and have been a Linux devotee for years. I first switched from Windows XP to Slackware back in the late 1990s. I installed Slackware 8 from CD and installed only the base system and compiler. Most everything else, I built from sources I would download, including X11 (XFree86). :) I switched to Ubuntu around 7.04 to see what the Linux experience was like without compiling everything all the time. Now, I just don't have the time to build everything from source to keep the system updated. Peace... The other Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey
The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at work? What factors influence the choice? To set the tone, here are my answers: • I am retired so at work is not applicable • At home we have a desktop dual boot Windows XP (and Ubuntu Linux) computer, a laptop dual boot Kubuntu Linux (and pre-installed Windows Vista) computer and several other laptop, desktop, and dedicated server (Ubuntu Linux based) computers. I also have Android Lollipop, Android Kit Kat, and Android Jelly Bean tablets and phones. I have nothing from Apple. • Windows XP is used primarily for single player gaming and e-Sword Bible software though it also is used to run LO, FireFox and Pegasus Mail (proprietary though free of cost). • Kubuntu Linux is my general purpose go to environment. My first Linux system used what I believe was the penultimate marketed version from SuSE before the first release of Open SuSE. I liked the flexibility that was inherent in the KDE desktop environment and found the UI to be quite similar to that of Windows at the time. I have briefly tried Gnome and Unity desktop environments but KDE is my personal first choice. • If I had a tablet computer that I thought could support my Linux usage it, too, would run Kubuntu Linux, LO, etc. • Apple equipment is too expensive for me and from what I've heard about the company's software policies, they are too restrictive to suit me. • Dual boot capabilities are seldom used to deviate from the above information. • The BSODs on Windows influenced my initial adoption of Linux. -- Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
