Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
It's not as straight-forwards as that.  


In 99% (probably a lot  more) of times you have the auto-backup feature on you 
get no problems.  I have passed the idea on to the Docs Team though.    

Regards from 

Tom :)  






 From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com
To: M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org 
users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2013, 6:45
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6
 


On 2013-04-25 08:09, M Henri Day wrote:
 2013/4/23 Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com 
 mailto:steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com

     Hi.
     I have had this with EPS drawings (with/without preview) for a
     long time. For those to not cause a problem I turn off
     OptionsLoad/SaveGeneralSave auto recovery information.
     Just a suggestion, you could give it a try.
     Steve

     On 2013-04-23 22:21, William Drago wrote:

         Well, I may wait for 4.0.3 and see if that fixes anything. I
         did check the bugs list and I don't see my specific bug
         mentioned, but it may manifest itself in different ways, so
         maybe it will be fixed in 4.0.3.

         The bug that makes LO 4 unusable for me is drawings no longer
         save when pasted into Writer (exit LO, re-open the document,
         and the drawings are gone). A significant amount of my work
         involves making drawings in LO Draw and using them in Writer
         documents. What I have been doing as a workaround is pasting
         screenshots of the drawings into Writer.

         Thanks for all the replies...

         -Bill


 Disabling the Save auto recovery info option did the trick for me in 
 Writer Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID: 
 4c82dcdd6efcd48b1d8bba66bfe1989deee49c3) on 64-bit Ubuntu 12.04. Nice !...

 Henri
Do you think it should be in the manual as it seems to have been around 
since 2.4, I am sure it would help a lot of people to know.
Steve


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-24 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Congrats on fixing it! Now you see why it's so difficult to pin-down what the 
problem is.  

Microsoft have every Tuesday as Patch Tuesday.  I think they copied the idea 
from Symantec (Norton) a few years ago.  Symantec use Thursdays.  It makes it 
easier and more predictable for Sys.Admins  rather than being completely 
unpredictable.  Patches and updates do sometimes break things so it's nice to 
know when they are going to happen.  Obviously if there is a really serious 
threat that they develop a patch for they sometimes release it asap rather than 
waiting but for the most part they stick to holding patches back until the next 
Tuesday.  

I suspect it's more to do with rebooting, or perhaps just restarting just LO 
after turning off the auto back-ups.  
Anyway, congrats and regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: William Drago wdr...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 2:51
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6
 

The problem is solved. I increased memory as was suggested 
and that fixed it. The strange thing is, I reverted back to 
the old memory settings and it's still fixed. Don't know 
why. There was a Windows update this evening. I wonder if 
that had anything to do with it and it wasn't a LO issue at all?

-Bill


On 4/23/2013 4:50 PM, Upscope wrote:
 On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 08:10:49 PM Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Steve!  I think that was the trick the Docs Team mentioned!  Turn off
 the auto-back-ups and stuff.  Just remember to save often and make
 your own back-ups.  Regards from
 Tom :)
 Turned off everything on the options/load-save/general page, still no
 help.
 

 From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com

 To: William Drago wdr...@gmail.com
 Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 19:58
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to
 3.6.6


 Hi.
 I have had this with EPS drawings (with/without preview) for a long
 time. For those to not cause a problem I turn off
 OptionsLoad/SaveGeneralSave auto recovery information.
 Just a suggestion, you could give it a try.
 Steve

 On 2013-04-23 22:21, William Drago wrote:
 Well, I may wait for 4.0.3 and see if that fixes anything. I did
 check the bugs list and I don't see my specific bug mentioned, but
 it may manifest itself in different ways, so maybe it will be
 fixed in 4.0.3.

 The bug that makes LO 4 unusable for me is drawings no longer save
 when pasted into Writer (exit LO, re-open the document, and the
 drawings are gone). A significant amount of my work involves making
 drawings in LO Draw and using them in Writer documents. What I have
 been doing as a workaround is pasting screenshots of the drawings
 into Writer.

 Thanks for all the replies...

 -Bill

 On 4/23/2013 4:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I found this link on the official website
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
 I got there from the main website
 http://www.libreoffice.org/
 then the trail
 Main website - Get involved - QA

 got me to

 http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/



 Hmm, you caught me out.  What i described is what i wish i did and
 i
 keep promising myself i will do next time, this time, each time
 but
 never quite get around to it.  Errr, well tried the 4.0.0 fairly
 early but really liked it and stuck with it.  I was going to hunt
 around the different articles published at the time to solve
 problems
 raised in their various lists of comments.  A few seemed so very
 trivial that it made me wonder if the commenter had ever installed
 anything before.  Sadly i didn't even get through that let alone
 helping with testing out listed bugs.  So, this time i really have
 downloaded the beta. Hopefully my good intentions wont get so
 side-tracked this time!


 Regards from

 Tom :)

 
 From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 1:27

 snip /


 Do you have a link to the beta versions? I have the opensuse
 version of 4.0.2 with latest update (yesterday) and 4.0.2 from
 LibreOffice parallel
 installed. Both had same two major problems for me since my
 cleints now usually send .docx documents and I do alot of table
 formatting with the number formatting columns, some of it
 doesn't work again.

 If I could get a hold of 4.0.3 and if it still has the problems
 I'll
 report them again as bugs.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-24 Thread Brian Barker

At 11:19 24/04/2013 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:

Microsoft have every Tuesday as Patch Tuesday.


No: only the second Tuesday in each month is Patch 
Tuesday.  (Otherwise they would be called Tuesday!)


Obviously if there is a really serious threat that they develop a 
patch for they sometimes release it asap rather than waiting ...


The update to some versions of Windows yesterday (er, that was 
Tuesday but not Patch Tuesday) was to replace one that was issued two 
weeks earlier (on Patch Tuesday - are you following?) but was 
withdrawn two days later when it was found to be defective.  Hence 
the current out-of-band publication.


... but for the most part they stick to holding patches back until 
the next Tuesday.


Er, the next *Patch* Tuesday.


I suspect it's more to do with rebooting, ...


Exactly so.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-24 Thread Steve Edmonds


On 2013-04-25 08:09, M Henri Day wrote:
2013/4/23 Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com 
mailto:steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com


Hi.
I have had this with EPS drawings (with/without preview) for a
long time. For those to not cause a problem I turn off
OptionsLoad/SaveGeneralSave auto recovery information.
Just a suggestion, you could give it a try.
Steve

On 2013-04-23 22:21, William Drago wrote:

Well, I may wait for 4.0.3 and see if that fixes anything. I
did check the bugs list and I don't see my specific bug
mentioned, but it may manifest itself in different ways, so
maybe it will be fixed in 4.0.3.

The bug that makes LO 4 unusable for me is drawings no longer
save when pasted into Writer (exit LO, re-open the document,
and the drawings are gone). A significant amount of my work
involves making drawings in LO Draw and using them in Writer
documents. What I have been doing as a workaround is pasting
screenshots of the drawings into Writer.

Thanks for all the replies...

-Bill


Disabling the Save auto recovery info option did the trick for me in 
Writer Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID: 
4c82dcdd6efcd48b1d8bba66bfe1989deee49c3) on 64-bit Ubuntu 12.04. Nice !...


Henri
Do you think it should be in the manual as it seems to have been around 
since 2.4, I am sure it would help a lot of people to know.

Steve


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-23 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I found this link on the official website
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
I got there from the main website
http://www.libreoffice.org/
then the trail
Main website - Get involved - QA 

got me to 

http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/



Hmm, you caught me out.  What i described is what i wish i did and i keep 
promising myself i will do next time, this time, each time but never quite get 
around to it.  Errr, well tried the 4.0.0 fairly early but really liked it and 
stuck with it.  I was going to hunt around the different articles published at 
the time to solve problems raised in their various lists of comments.  A few 
seemed so very trivial that it made me wonder if the commenter had ever 
installed anything before.  Sadly i didn't even get through that let alone 
helping with testing out listed bugs.  So, this time i really have downloaded 
the beta.  Hopefully my good intentions wont get so side-tracked this time!


Regards from 

Tom :)  






 From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 1:27

snip /


Do you have a link to the beta versions? I have the opensuse version of 
4.0.2 with latest update (yesterday) and 4.0.2 from LibreOffice parallel 
installed. Both had same two major problems for me since my cleints now 
usually send .docx documents and I do alot of table formatting with the 
number formatting columns, some of it doesn't work again. 

If I could get a hold of 4.0.3 and if it still has the problems I'll 
report them again as bugs.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-23 Thread William Drago
Well, I may wait for 4.0.3 and see if that fixes anything. I 
did check the bugs list and I don't see my specific bug 
mentioned, but it may manifest itself in different ways, so 
maybe it will be fixed in 4.0.3.


The bug that makes LO 4 unusable for me is drawings no 
longer save when pasted into Writer (exit LO, re-open the 
document, and the drawings are gone). A significant amount 
of my work involves making drawings in LO Draw and using 
them in Writer documents. What I have been doing as a 
workaround is pasting screenshots of the drawings into Writer.


Thanks for all the replies...

-Bill


On 4/23/2013 4:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I found this link on the official website
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
I got there from the main website
http://www.libreoffice.org/
then the trail
Main website - Get involved - QA

got me to

http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/



Hmm, you caught me out.  What i described is what i wish i did and i keep 
promising myself i will do next time, this time, each time but never quite get 
around to it.  Errr, well tried the 4.0.0 fairly early but really liked it and 
stuck with it.  I was going to hunt around the different articles published at 
the time to solve problems raised in their various lists of comments.  A few 
seemed so very trivial that it made me wonder if the commenter had ever 
installed anything before.  Sadly i didn't even get through that let alone 
helping with testing out listed bugs.  So, this time i really have downloaded 
the beta.  Hopefully my good intentions wont get so side-tracked this time!


Regards from

Tom :)







From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 1:27

snip /


Do you have a link to the beta versions? I have the opensuse version of
4.0.2 with latest update (yesterday) and 4.0.2 from LibreOffice parallel
installed. Both had same two major problems for me since my cleints now
usually send .docx documents and I do alot of table formatting with the
number formatting columns, some of it doesn't work again.

If I could get a hold of 4.0.3 and if it still has the problems I'll
report them again as bugs.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-23 Thread Upscope
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 09:58:14 AM Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I found this link on the official website
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
 I got there from the main website
 http://www.libreoffice.org/
 then the trail
 Main website - Get involved - QA
 
 got me to
 
 http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/
 
 
 
 Hmm, you caught me out.  What i described is what i wish i did and i
 keep promising myself i will do next time, this time, each time but
 never quite get around to it.  Errr, well tried the 4.0.0 fairly
 early but really liked it and stuck with it.  I was going to hunt
 around the different articles published at the time to solve problems
 raised in their various lists of comments.  A few seemed so very
 trivial that it made me wonder if the commenter had ever installed
 anything before.  Sadly i didn't even get through that let alone
 helping with testing out listed bugs.  So, this time i really have
 downloaded the beta.  Hopefully my good intentions wont get so
 side-tracked this time!
 
 
 Regards from
 
 Tom :) 
 
 
 
  From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net
 
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 1:27
 
 snip /
 
 
 Do you have a link to the beta versions? I have the opensuse version
 of 4.0.2 with latest update (yesterday) and 4.0.2 from LibreOffice
 parallel installed. Both had same two major problems for me since my
 cleints now usually send .docx documents and I do alot of table
 formatting with the number formatting columns, some of it doesn't
 work again.
 
 If I could get a hold of 4.0.3 and if it still has the problems I'll
 report them again as bugs.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-23 Thread Upscope
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:44:29 AM Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :) 
 Thanks :) 
 
 Hmm, that vanishing images problem kinda sounds familiar! :(  It was
 discussed on the Documentation Team's mailing list a couple of years
 ago so i have CC'd this email to them as they found a good
 work-around. 
Quote
 I found that bumping up the memory settings seemed to help a bit
 Tools - Options - Memory
 but mostly the problem seemed to vanish when i had saved the images in
 the same folder as the document, or in a sub-folder as would happen
 with html pages.  I was never completely sure if the main answer was
 having the document and images on my local desktop rather than some
 on the network and some on the file-server.  The problem eventually
 disappeared for me but i was never entirely certain why. 
 
/Quote/
Did you bump the Use for LibreOffice or Memory per Object or Both?

that could be my problem with the graphics. Will experiment later today.

 
 Regards from
 Tom :) 
 
 
 
  From: William Drago wdr...@gmail.com
 
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 11:21
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to
 3.6.6
 
 
 Well, I may wait for 4.0.3 and see if that fixes anything. I
 did check the bugs list and I don't see my specific bug
 mentioned, but it may manifest itself in different ways, so
 maybe it will be fixed in 4.0.3.
 
 The bug that makes LO 4 unusable for me is drawings no
 longer save when pasted into Writer (exit LO, re-open the
 document, and the drawings are gone). A significant amount
 of my work involves making drawings in LO Draw and using
 them in Writer documents. What I have been doing as a
 workaround is pasting screenshots of the drawings into Writer.
 
 Thanks for all the replies...
 
 -Bill
 
 On 4/23/2013 4:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
  Hi :)
  I found this link on the official website
  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
  I got there from the main website
  http://www.libreoffice.org/
  then the trail
  Main website - Get involved - QA
  
  got me to
  
  http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/
  
  
  
  Hmm, you caught me out.  What i described is what i wish i did and
  i keep promising myself i will do next time, this time, each time
  but never quite get around to it.  Errr, well tried the 4.0.0
  fairly early but really liked it and stuck with it.  I was going
  to hunt around the different articles published at the time to
  solve problems raised in their various lists of comments.  A few
  seemed so very trivial that it made me wonder if the commenter had
  ever installed anything before.  Sadly i didn't even get through
  that let alone helping with testing out listed bugs.  So, this
  time i really have downloaded the beta.  Hopefully my good
  intentions wont get so side-tracked this time!
  
  
  Regards from
  
  Tom :)
  
  
  From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 1:27
  
  snip /
  
  
  Do you have a link to the beta versions? I have the opensuse
  version of 4.0.2 with latest update (yesterday) and 4.0.2 from
  LibreOffice parallel installed. Both had same two major problems
  for me since my cleints now usually send .docx documents and I do
  alot of table formatting with the number formatting columns, some
  of it doesn't work again.
  
  If I could get a hold of 4.0.3 and if it still has the problems
  I'll
  report them again as bugs.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-23 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Both and any other settings in there too.  

For some reason i drop the number of undo steps as 100 seems fairly excessive 
to me but then it depends on the type of editing.  I think i usually create 
back-ups or newer versions more often than that anyway.  

The defaults seem set for ancient machines or VERY mobile ones that might not 
have much or any Ram or anything.  Nowadays, on a reasonable desktop, 10-15Mb 
per object doesn't seem unreasonable and i might have quite a lot of objects.  
Adding front and back-pages of my newsletter i get around 25 images but then 
it's mostly just 2 per page for the rest.  I've not really messed around with 
this machine and it seems very low with only 20Mb for the use for LibreOffice 
so i might bump that up quite a lot.  I do have over 1Gb of Ram after all! :)  

Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 15:26
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6
 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:44:29 AM Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :) 
 Thanks :) 
 
 Hmm, that vanishing images problem kinda sounds familiar! :(  It was
 discussed on the Documentation Team's mailing list a couple of years
 ago so i have CC'd this email to them as they found a good
 work-around. 
Quote
 I found that bumping up the memory settings seemed to help a bit
 Tools - Options - Memory
 but mostly the problem seemed to vanish when i had saved the images in
 the same folder as the document, or in a sub-folder as would happen
 with html pages.  I was never completely sure if the main answer was
 having the document and images on my local desktop rather than some
 on the network and some on the file-server.  The problem eventually
 disappeared for me but i was never entirely certain why. 
 
/Quote/
Did you bump the Use for LibreOffice or Memory per Object or Both?

that could be my problem with the graphics. Will experiment later today.

 
 Regards from
 Tom :) 
 
 
 
  From: William Drago wdr...@gmail.com
 
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 11:21
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to
 3.6.6
 
 
 Well, I may wait for 4.0.3 and see if that fixes anything. I
 did check the bugs list and I don't see my specific bug
 mentioned, but it may manifest itself in different ways, so
 maybe it will be fixed in 4.0.3.
 
 The bug that makes LO 4 unusable for me is drawings no
 longer save when pasted into Writer (exit LO, re-open the
 document, and the drawings are gone). A significant amount
 of my work involves making drawings in LO Draw and using
 them in Writer documents. What I have been doing as a
 workaround is pasting screenshots of the drawings into Writer.
 
 Thanks for all the replies...
 
 -Bill
 
 On 4/23/2013 4:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
  Hi :)
  I found this link on the official website
  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
  I got there from the main website
  http://www.libreoffice.org/
  then the trail
  Main website - Get involved - QA
  
  got me to
  
  http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/
  
  
  
  Hmm, you caught me out.  What i described is what i wish i did and
  i keep promising myself i will do next time, this time, each time
  but never quite get around to it.  Errr, well tried the 4.0.0
  fairly early but really liked it and stuck with it.  I was going
  to hunt around the different articles published at the time to
  solve problems raised in their various lists of comments.  A few
  seemed so very trivial that it made me wonder if the commenter had
  ever installed anything before.  Sadly i didn't even get through
  that let alone helping with testing out listed bugs.  So, this
  time i really have downloaded the beta.  Hopefully my good
  intentions wont get so side-tracked this time!
  
  
  Regards from
  
  Tom :)
  
  
  From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 1:27
  
  snip /
  
  
  Do you have a link to the beta versions? I have the opensuse
  version of 4.0.2 with latest update (yesterday) and 4.0.2 from
  LibreOffice parallel installed. Both had same two major problems
  for me since my cleints now usually send .docx documents and I do
  alot of table formatting with the number formatting columns, some
  of it doesn't work again.
  
  If I could get a hold of 4.0.3 and if it still has the problems
  I'll
  report them again as bugs.
 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-23 Thread Steve Edmonds

Hi.
I have had this with EPS drawings (with/without preview) for a long 
time. For those to not cause a problem I turn off 
OptionsLoad/SaveGeneralSave auto recovery information.

Just a suggestion, you could give it a try.
Steve

On 2013-04-23 22:21, William Drago wrote:
Well, I may wait for 4.0.3 and see if that fixes anything. I did check 
the bugs list and I don't see my specific bug mentioned, but it may 
manifest itself in different ways, so maybe it will be fixed in 4.0.3.


The bug that makes LO 4 unusable for me is drawings no longer save 
when pasted into Writer (exit LO, re-open the document, and the 
drawings are gone). A significant amount of my work involves making 
drawings in LO Draw and using them in Writer documents. What I have 
been doing as a workaround is pasting screenshots of the drawings into 
Writer.


Thanks for all the replies...

-Bill


On 4/23/2013 4:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I found this link on the official website
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
I got there from the main website
http://www.libreoffice.org/
then the trail
Main website - Get involved - QA

got me to

http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/



Hmm, you caught me out.  What i described is what i wish i did and i 
keep promising myself i will do next time, this time, each time but 
never quite get around to it.  Errr, well tried the 4.0.0 fairly 
early but really liked it and stuck with it.  I was going to hunt 
around the different articles published at the time to solve problems 
raised in their various lists of comments.  A few seemed so very 
trivial that it made me wonder if the commenter had ever installed 
anything before.  Sadly i didn't even get through that let alone 
helping with testing out listed bugs.  So, this time i really have 
downloaded the beta. Hopefully my good intentions wont get so 
side-tracked this time!



Regards from

Tom :)







From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 1:27

snip /


Do you have a link to the beta versions? I have the opensuse version of
4.0.2 with latest update (yesterday) and 4.0.2 from LibreOffice 
parallel

installed. Both had same two major problems for me since my cleints now
usually send .docx documents and I do alot of table formatting with the
number formatting columns, some of it doesn't work again.

If I could get a hold of 4.0.3 and if it still has the problems I'll
report them again as bugs.








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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-23 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Steve!  I think that was the trick the Docs Team mentioned!  Turn off the 
auto-back-ups and stuff.  Just remember to save often and make your own 
back-ups.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  







 From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com
To: William Drago wdr...@gmail.com 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 19:58
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6
 

Hi.
I have had this with EPS drawings (with/without preview) for a long 
time. For those to not cause a problem I turn off 
OptionsLoad/SaveGeneralSave auto recovery information.
Just a suggestion, you could give it a try.
Steve

On 2013-04-23 22:21, William Drago wrote:
 Well, I may wait for 4.0.3 and see if that fixes anything. I did check 
 the bugs list and I don't see my specific bug mentioned, but it may 
 manifest itself in different ways, so maybe it will be fixed in 4.0.3.

 The bug that makes LO 4 unusable for me is drawings no longer save 
 when pasted into Writer (exit LO, re-open the document, and the 
 drawings are gone). A significant amount of my work involves making 
 drawings in LO Draw and using them in Writer documents. What I have 
 been doing as a workaround is pasting screenshots of the drawings into 
 Writer.

 Thanks for all the replies...

 -Bill


 On 4/23/2013 4:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I found this link on the official website
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
 I got there from the main website
 http://www.libreoffice.org/
 then the trail
 Main website - Get involved - QA

 got me to

 http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/



 Hmm, you caught me out.  What i described is what i wish i did and i 
 keep promising myself i will do next time, this time, each time but 
 never quite get around to it.  Errr, well tried the 4.0.0 fairly 
 early but really liked it and stuck with it.  I was going to hunt 
 around the different articles published at the time to solve problems 
 raised in their various lists of comments.  A few seemed so very 
 trivial that it made me wonder if the commenter had ever installed 
 anything before.  Sadly i didn't even get through that let alone 
 helping with testing out listed bugs.  So, this time i really have 
 downloaded the beta. Hopefully my good intentions wont get so 
 side-tracked this time!


 Regards from

 Tom :)





 
 From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 1:27

 snip /


 Do you have a link to the beta versions? I have the opensuse version of
 4.0.2 with latest update (yesterday) and 4.0.2 from LibreOffice 
 parallel
 installed. Both had same two major problems for me since my cleints now
 usually send .docx documents and I do alot of table formatting with the
 number formatting columns, some of it doesn't work again.

 If I could get a hold of 4.0.3 and if it still has the problems I'll
 report them again as bugs.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-23 Thread Upscope
On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 06:58:24 AM Steve Edmonds wrote:
QUOTE
 Hi.
 I have had this with EPS drawings (with/without preview) for a long
 time. For those to not cause a problem I turn off
 OptionsLoad/SaveGeneralSave auto recovery information.
 Just a suggestion, you could give it a try.
 Steve
/QUOTE
 Did not make a difference.
Thanks for the idea.

Russ 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-23 Thread Upscope
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 08:10:49 PM Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Steve!  I think that was the trick the Docs Team mentioned!  Turn off
 the auto-back-ups and stuff.  Just remember to save often and make
 your own back-ups.  Regards from
 Tom :) 
Turned off everything on the options/load-save/general page, still no 
help.
 
 
  From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com
 
 To: William Drago wdr...@gmail.com
 Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 19:58
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to
 3.6.6
 
 
 Hi.
 I have had this with EPS drawings (with/without preview) for a long
 time. For those to not cause a problem I turn off
 OptionsLoad/SaveGeneralSave auto recovery information.
 Just a suggestion, you could give it a try.
 Steve
 
 On 2013-04-23 22:21, William Drago wrote:
  Well, I may wait for 4.0.3 and see if that fixes anything. I did
  check the bugs list and I don't see my specific bug mentioned, but
  it may manifest itself in different ways, so maybe it will be
  fixed in 4.0.3.
  
  The bug that makes LO 4 unusable for me is drawings no longer save
  when pasted into Writer (exit LO, re-open the document, and the
  drawings are gone). A significant amount of my work involves making
  drawings in LO Draw and using them in Writer documents. What I have
  been doing as a workaround is pasting screenshots of the drawings
  into Writer.
  
  Thanks for all the replies...
  
  -Bill
  
  On 4/23/2013 4:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
  Hi :)
  I found this link on the official website
  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
  I got there from the main website
  http://www.libreoffice.org/
  then the trail
  Main website - Get involved - QA
  
  got me to
  
  http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/
  
  
  
  Hmm, you caught me out.  What i described is what i wish i did and
  i
  keep promising myself i will do next time, this time, each time
  but
  never quite get around to it.  Errr, well tried the 4.0.0 fairly
  early but really liked it and stuck with it.  I was going to hunt
  around the different articles published at the time to solve
  problems
  raised in their various lists of comments.  A few seemed so very
  trivial that it made me wonder if the commenter had ever installed
  anything before.  Sadly i didn't even get through that let alone
  helping with testing out listed bugs.  So, this time i really have
  downloaded the beta. Hopefully my good intentions wont get so
  side-tracked this time!
  
  
  Regards from
  
  Tom :)
  
  
  From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 1:27
  
  snip /
  
  
  Do you have a link to the beta versions? I have the opensuse
  version of 4.0.2 with latest update (yesterday) and 4.0.2 from
  LibreOffice parallel
  installed. Both had same two major problems for me since my
  cleints now usually send .docx documents and I do alot of table
  formatting with the number formatting columns, some of it
  doesn't work again.
  
  If I could get a hold of 4.0.3 and if it still has the problems
  I'll
  report them again as bugs.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-23 Thread William Drago
The problem is solved. I increased memory as was suggested 
and that fixed it. The strange thing is, I reverted back to 
the old memory settings and it's still fixed. Don't know 
why. There was a Windows update this evening. I wonder if 
that had anything to do with it and it wasn't a LO issue at all?


-Bill


On 4/23/2013 4:50 PM, Upscope wrote:

On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 08:10:49 PM Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Steve!  I think that was the trick the Docs Team mentioned!  Turn off
the auto-back-ups and stuff.  Just remember to save often and make
your own back-ups.  Regards from
Tom :)

Turned off everything on the options/load-save/general page, still no
help.



From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com

To: William Drago wdr...@gmail.com
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 19:58
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to
3.6.6


Hi.
I have had this with EPS drawings (with/without preview) for a long
time. For those to not cause a problem I turn off
OptionsLoad/SaveGeneralSave auto recovery information.
Just a suggestion, you could give it a try.
Steve

On 2013-04-23 22:21, William Drago wrote:

Well, I may wait for 4.0.3 and see if that fixes anything. I did
check the bugs list and I don't see my specific bug mentioned, but
it may manifest itself in different ways, so maybe it will be
fixed in 4.0.3.

The bug that makes LO 4 unusable for me is drawings no longer save
when pasted into Writer (exit LO, re-open the document, and the
drawings are gone). A significant amount of my work involves making
drawings in LO Draw and using them in Writer documents. What I have
been doing as a workaround is pasting screenshots of the drawings
into Writer.

Thanks for all the replies...

-Bill

On 4/23/2013 4:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I found this link on the official website
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
I got there from the main website
http://www.libreoffice.org/
then the trail
Main website - Get involved - QA

got me to

http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/



Hmm, you caught me out.  What i described is what i wish i did and
i
keep promising myself i will do next time, this time, each time
but
never quite get around to it.  Errr, well tried the 4.0.0 fairly
early but really liked it and stuck with it.  I was going to hunt
around the different articles published at the time to solve
problems
raised in their various lists of comments.  A few seemed so very
trivial that it made me wonder if the commenter had ever installed
anything before.  Sadly i didn't even get through that let alone
helping with testing out listed bugs.  So, this time i really have
downloaded the beta. Hopefully my good intentions wont get so
side-tracked this time!


Regards from

Tom :)



From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 1:27

snip /


Do you have a link to the beta versions? I have the opensuse
version of 4.0.2 with latest update (yesterday) and 4.0.2 from
LibreOffice parallel
installed. Both had same two major problems for me since my
cleints now usually send .docx documents and I do alot of table
formatting with the number formatting columns, some of it
doesn't work again.

If I could get a hold of 4.0.3 and if it still has the problems
I'll
report them again as bugs.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Yes.  

It should be that easy.  The only issue is that the 3.6.x branch wont pick-up 
all the settings and configurations of branch 4.0.x, but that might be 
advantageous anyway.  

Before doing the uninstall-reinstall it might be worth considering a couple of 
other options
1.  Renaming your user-profile often fixes weird and unlikely problems 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
branch 4.0.x might not be picking-up the settings and configurations you set 
for branch 3.x.x but i think you can rename folder 3 to folder 4 to sort that 
out.  

2.  Maybe install 3.6.x alongside 4.0.x.  I wouldn't advise this as it can get 
a bit confusing
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

3.  Wait a few days and then install the 4.0.3 when it gets released.  
Typically new branches have added tons of functionality and better 
compatibility with MS formats but have been a little buggy sometimes until they 
reach around x.x.3 or x.x.4.  That 3rd digit is a little like the Service 
Packs that MS uses for it's stuff except they only do 3 whereas LibreOffice 
does about 6 during the life-cycle.  Many people wouldn't consider installing 
an MS product until at least Sp1.  Prior to the 4.0.x i usually didn't upgrade 
until around x.x.3.  I've been quite happy with the 4.0.x but maybe that was 
luck or that i didn't use it so much.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: William Drago wdr...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 22 April 2013, 2:31
Subject: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6
 

All,

While I appreciate the tremendous amount of work that has gone into LO 4, it's 
still a little too buggy for me and I'd like to go back to LO 3.6.6. Is it a 
simple matter of uninstalling 4 and re-installing 3? (I'm running Windows 7).

Thanks,
Bill

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-22 Thread Virgil Arrington

Bill,

I hate to say it, but that was my experience as well with 4.0. There was an 
important feature (to me at least) that worked well on 3.6 but no longer 
worked in 4.0. I found the regression to be especially distressing.


I simply uninstalled 4.0, and reinstalled 3.6. If I recall, the uninstall 
process (I also use Win7) did not delete the 4.0 user profile users\(your 
user name)\AppData\Roaming\Libreoffice\4.0\etc, so I was able to copy what I 
needed to the Libreoffice\3.0\etc. user profile after installing 3.6.


I've decided to be more deliberate about upgrading in the future. Study the 
release notes and check out bug reports. LO 3.6 works very well for me, so I 
probably won't upgrade until the latest/greatest has a feature I really need 
or fixes bugs that have bothered me in the past.


Virgil

-Original Message- 
From: William Drago

Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:31 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

All,

While I appreciate the tremendous amount of work that has
gone into LO 4, it's still a little too buggy for me and I'd
like to go back to LO 3.6.6. Is it a simple matter of
uninstalling 4 and re-installing 3? (I'm running Windows 7).

Thanks,
Bill

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-22 Thread M Henri Day
2013/4/22 Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com

 Bill,

 I hate to say it, but that was my experience as well with 4.0. There was
 an important feature (to me at least) that worked well on 3.6 but no longer
 worked in 4.0. I found the regression to be especially distressing.

 I simply uninstalled 4.0, and reinstalled 3.6. If I recall, the uninstall
 process (I also use Win7) did not delete the 4.0 user profile users\(your
 user name)\AppData\Roaming\**Libreoffice\4.0\etc, so I was able to copy
 what I needed to the Libreoffice\3.0\etc. user profile after installing 3.6.

 I've decided to be more deliberate about upgrading in the future. Study
 the release notes and check out bug reports. LO 3.6 works very well for me,
 so I probably won't upgrade until the latest/greatest has a feature I
 really need or fixes bugs that have bothered me in the past.

 Virgil


...

Bill and Virgil, it might be helpful to the developers if you could point
out the specific bugs/missing features, etc, that have been causing you
problems in 4.0

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-22 Thread anne-ology
   Have you looked in your Download folder?;
   if you still have the older version there, then merely delete
the newer one and re-install the older.

   I'm so glad I don't have that urge to 'upgrade immediately, if not
sooner';
   bugs frustrate me ...
   2 weeks ago, I was trying to get rid of a red ant hill -
again - and 2 of those nasty things bit my ankle; it's just now healing  ;-)
   [oh, there I go off topic a-g-a-i-n  ;-) ]



On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM, William Drago wdr...@gmail.com wrote:

All,

 While I appreciate the tremendous amount of work that has gone into LO 4,
 it's still a little too buggy for me and I'd like to go back to LO 3.6.6.
 Is it a simple matter of uninstalling 4 and re-installing 3? (I'm running
 Windows 7).

 Thanks,
 Bill



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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-22 Thread Virgil Arrington
Henri wrote:
Bill and Virgil, it might be helpful to the developers if you could point out 
the specific bugs/missing features, etc, that have been causing you problems in 
4.0

Henri


I did.

Virgil
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I remember.  You did what i wish i did but never quite get around to.  
Regards from 
Tom :)






 From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 22 April 2013, 21:30
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6
 

Henri wrote:
Bill and Virgil, it might be helpful to the developers if you could point out 
the specific bugs/missing features, etc, that have been causing you problems 
in 4.0

Henri


I did.

Virgil
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-22 Thread Upscope
On Monday, April 22, 2013 09:42:33 PM Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :) 
 On my own machine at home and at work I think it is a good policy to
 download and install new versions of new branches asap.  Preferably
 even at beta-release stage (ie pre-release).  That allows me to test
 out all the features i think i use and play around to see if it feels
 alright. 
 
 Then i can post bug-reports while the devs are still most keen and
 most focussed on fixing things and smoothing it out.  It's not always
 quick to fix but it helps the devs.  It might be really great if
 people could test out a new branch at pre-release stage and then go
 through some of the existing bug-reports to quickly see if they are
 still a problem with the newer release.  That might really help the
 devs. 
 
 Of course on colleagues machines i stick with the stable branch.  Any
 release after x.x.3 is much more stable, with x.x.6 being about as
 rock-solid as it's possible to get. 
 
 The question is are you happy to just sithope that someone else
 happens to notice issues that you personally find crucial?  I'd
 rather have an active say in pushing forwards things that i want to
 see fixed. 
 
 After having a test drive i can always reinstall the older version if
 i need to/  Simples :) 
 
 Errr, in the case of the 4.0.0 i got really lucky and found everything
 i cared about just seems to work!  WooHooo :D Regards from
 Tom :) 
 
 
 
  From: M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com
 
 To: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
 Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Monday, 22 April 2013, 19:13
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to
 3.6.6
 
 
 2013/4/22 Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
 
  Bill,
  
  I hate to say it, but that was my experience as well with 4.0.
  There was an important feature (to me at least) that worked well
  on 3.6 but no longer worked in 4.0. I found the regression to be
  especially distressing.
  
  I simply uninstalled 4.0, and reinstalled 3.6. If I recall, the
  uninstall process (I also use Win7) did not delete the 4.0 user
  profile users\(your user
  name)\AppData\Roaming\**Libreoffice\4.0\etc, so I was able to copy
  what I needed to the Libreoffice\3.0\etc. user profile after
  installing 3.6.
  
  I've decided to be more deliberate about upgrading in the future.
  Study the release notes and check out bug reports. LO 3.6 works
  very well for me, so I probably won't upgrade until the
  latest/greatest has a feature I really need or fixes bugs that
  have bothered me in the past.
  
  Virgil
 
 ...
 
 Bill and Virgil, it might be helpful to the developers if you could
 point out the specific bugs/missing features, etc, that have been
 causing you problems in 4.0
 
 Henri
 
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Do you have a link to the beta versions? I have the opensuse version of 
4.0.2 with latest update (yesterday) and 4.0.2 from LibreOffice parallel 
installed. Both had same two major problems for me since my cleints now 
usually send .docx documents and I do alot of table formatting with the 
number formatting columns, some of it doesn't work again. 

If I could get a hold of 4.0.3 and if it still has the problems I'll 
report them again as bugs.
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[libreoffice-users] How to downgrade from 4.0.2. to 3.6.6

2013-04-21 Thread William Drago

All,

While I appreciate the tremendous amount of work that has 
gone into LO 4, it's still a little too buggy for me and I'd 
like to go back to LO 3.6.6. Is it a simple matter of 
uninstalling 4 and re-installing 3? (I'm running Windows 7).


Thanks,
Bill

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