Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
exactly; in fact, that's been Bill Gates' game plan from before he started MsFt. I've been opposed to his egotistical, arrogant thievery ... but too many folks seem to like that sort - even the British Monarchy ;-) BTW - just why did the Queen knight him ??? From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com Date: Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Urmas wrote: Because people buy computers to work, not to tinker with. There are many who don't need Windows but are forced to pay for it with a computer. Take a look at the strong arm tactics MS has used over the years to see how they got to this point. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
yes, same here ... but it's like 'talking to a brick wall' ;-) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com Date: Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office To: users@global.libreoffice.org Urmas wrote: James Knott сообщил(а) в новостях следующее:529918d1.30...@rogers.com... ...and then hold [created documents] hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office. There is immense number of software capable import DOC files, due to their format being virtually unchanged since 1997 or 2007. Including the Word Viewer, of course. The problem is so many are not aware of alternatives. If they want to access their documents, they think they have to pay MS. I do what I can to educate them. BTW, several years ago, I worked for a company that used OpenOfice. However, I suspect it was because they were too cheap to pay for MS Office. ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 01:32:35AM +0700, Urmas wrote: James Knott: Ever hear of Linux? Linux is a clone of UNIX, an epitome of a proprietary operating system. Wrong yet again, oh trolling one. Linux was derived from minix. it's the OS used on the space station. Proven a hoax by Agency. Citation? (that means prove it) -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Robert Holtzman wrote: Linux is a clone of UNIX, an epitome of a proprietary operating system. Wrong yet again, oh trolling one. Linux was derived from minix. Actually, Linux created Linux in part because he found Minix so limiting. However, the goal of both was a Unix like environment. The interesting thing is that many of the GNU apps, developed for Linux, have found their way to the various commercial Unixes. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
I'm thinking we've got troll-sighting On 11/30/2013 10:25 AM, jomali wrote: Once again, Umas, you set up a straw man and demolish him! FOSS means Free and Open Source Software. It doesn't necessarily refer to software created by some pure amateur in his garage. As long as the creator (commercial firm, university or private individual) releases the source at no cost, it is FOSS. On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Peter West: Non-FOSS (BSD-licensed software): Mac OS X (based on BSD and the Mach kernel) Linux gcc Developed by commercial companies: Android (based on Linux) apache Firefox OpenJDK saxon LibreOffice So far FOSS 'community' created nothing successful. Everything was designed and implemented by real software developers or universities. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
James Knott: Ever hear of Linux? Linux is a clone of UNIX, an epitome of a proprietary operating system. it's the OS used on the space station. Proven a hoax by Agency. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
James Knott сообщил(а) в новостях следующее:529918d1.30...@rogers.com... ...and then hold [created documents] hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office. There is immense number of software capable import DOC files, due to their format being virtually unchanged since 1997 or 2007. Including the Word Viewer, of course. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Peter West: Non-FOSS (BSD-licensed software): Mac OS X (based on BSD and the Mach kernel) Linux gcc Developed by commercial companies: Android (based on Linux) apache Firefox OpenJDK saxon LibreOffice So far FOSS 'community' created nothing successful. Everything was designed and implemented by real software developers or universities. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Once again, Umas, you set up a straw man and demolish him! FOSS means Free and Open Source Software. It doesn't necessarily refer to software created by some pure amateur in his garage. As long as the creator (commercial firm, university or private individual) releases the source at no cost, it is FOSS. On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Peter West: Non-FOSS (BSD-licensed software): Mac OS X (based on BSD and the Mach kernel) Linux gcc Developed by commercial companies: Android (based on Linux) apache Firefox OpenJDK saxon LibreOffice So far FOSS 'community' created nothing successful. Everything was designed and implemented by real software developers or universities. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
2013/11/30 jomali jomali3...@gmail.com Once again, Umas, you set up a straw man and demolish him! FOSS means Free and Open Source Software. It doesn't necessarily refer to software created by some pure amateur in his garage. As long as the creator (commercial firm, university or private individual) releases the source at no cost, it is FOSS. On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Peter West: Non-FOSS (BSD-licensed software): Mac OS X (based on BSD and the Mach kernel) Linux gcc Developed by commercial companies: Android (based on Linux) apache Firefox OpenJDK saxon LibreOffice So far FOSS 'community' created nothing successful. Everything was designed and implemented by real software developers or universities. But jomali, you misunderstand, «Urmas» favourite OS is a «real» OS, while all others are, of course, «toys» How so ? *Urmas locuta, causa finita est* Henri -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Urmas wrote: Just think about it: there was NOT A SINGLE successful FOSS-created project so far. Ever hear of Linux? Besides those of us who use it on our desktops, it also runs about 95% of the super computers, most of the Internet (along with Apache), including the likes of Google, Yahoo and more, Android smart phones, embedded in appliances such as TVs, Bluray players etc. and it's the OS used on the space station. Why do you keep trying to prove how ignorant you are? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
James Knott wrote: Ever hear of Linux? That was dismissed, because it was developed in a university setting, as a research project. FWIW, using the provided definition, there has been no commercially successful Non-FLOSS software. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the far side of the Universe, at the end of time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Urmas wrote: Because people buy computers to work, not to tinker with. There are many who don't need Windows but are forced to pay for it with a computer. Take a look at the strong arm tactics MS has used over the years to see how they got to this point. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Urmas wrote: James Knott сообщил(а) в новостях следующее:529918d1.30...@rogers.com... ...and then hold [created documents] hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office. There is immense number of software capable import DOC files, due to their format being virtually unchanged since 1997 or 2007. Including the Word Viewer, of course. The problem is so many are not aware of alternatives. If they want to access their documents, they think they have to pay MS. I do what I can to educate them. BTW, several years ago, I worked for a company that used OpenOfice. However, I suspect it was because they were too cheap to pay for MS Office. ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
James wrote: Ever hear of Linux? Besides those of us who use it on our desktops, it also runs about 95% of the super computers, most of the Internet (along with Apache), including the likes of Google, Yahoo and more, Android smart phones, embedded in appliances such as TVs, Bluray players etc. and it's the OS used on the space station. Man, with a market share like that, somebody could've gotten really rich! Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
I am using a version of linux based os since 5 years (a distribution; linux is the kernel). there are many distributions available (the CERN of geneve has also developed its own version), you can download and install it or free. institutions, schools and universities are moving to linux and free software to save money and other technical reasons... many distributions (such as ubuntu) include libreoffice by themselves. On Sunday, December 1, 2013 1:22 AM, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: James wrote: Ever hear of Linux? Besides those of us who use it on our desktops, it also runs about 95% of the super computers, most of the Internet (along with Apache), including the likes of Google, Yahoo and more, Android smart phones, embedded in appliances such as TVs, Bluray players etc. and it's the OS used on the space station. Man, with a market share like that, somebody could've gotten really rich! Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Hi :) Plase can we NOT have the Romans sketch in here? Errr, Firefox Reg? Don't forget what it used to be like around here! ;) Regards from Tom :) On 30 November 2013 21:37, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Urmas wrote: Just think about it: there was NOT A SINGLE successful FOSS-created project so far. Ever hear of Linux? Besides those of us who use it on our desktops, it also runs about 95% of the super computers, most of the Internet (along with Apache), including the likes of Google, Yahoo and more, Android smart phones, embedded in appliances such as TVs, Bluray players etc. and it's the OS used on the space station. Why do you keep trying to prove how ignorant you are? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
John Kennedy Why can you not buy a computer that is already configured to dual boot? Because no one needs it. Or why is it so difficult to buy a computer with no operating system? Because people buy computers to work, not to tinker with. Microsoft has decreed to computer manufacturers not to do so or they will not get Windows at such ridiculous prices. And that's Windows what is in demand, not your favorite toy OS. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Virgil Arrington: I'm no fan of MS, and I'm sure I don't fully understand all of its business practices, but I truly hope that disdain for Redmond is not the primary motivation for LO and other forms of FOSS. Foss people are hurt that no one is interested in their bungles except occasional corrupted officials. They are imagine themselves as grown-ups and do not understand why the adults pet their heads and tell them to go play elsewhere. Just think about it: there was NOT A SINGLE successful FOSS-created project so far. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Mac OS X (based on BSD and the Mach kernel) Android (based on Linux) Linux apache Firefox ant gcc OpenJDK xerces xalan fop saxon (up to and including Saxon HE) itext (recently commercialised) pdfbox Gnome KDE Gimp Clojure etc etc etc Oh, yes, LibreOffice. Seems successful to me. The world looks very small and far away when viewed through MS goggles. Peter West ...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. On 30 Nov 2013, at 1:25 pm, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Virgil Arrington: I'm no fan of MS, and I'm sure I don't fully understand all of its business practices, but I truly hope that disdain for Redmond is not the primary motivation for LO and other forms of FOSS. Foss people are hurt that no one is interested in their bungles except occasional corrupted officials. They are imagine themselves as grown-ups and do not understand why the adults pet their heads and tell them to go play elsewhere. Just think about it: there was NOT A SINGLE successful FOSS-created project so far. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
