[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:57:05 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: If you want to make life easier, it may be useful to leave an empty paragraph before using the three-symbol technique to create a border. Then the border is attached to a further empty paragraph and will be very much easier to delete if desired. Thanks, Brian! What is the minimum-size empty paragraph? How many consecutive blank lines?! -- /\/\aurice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
At 17:07 30/06/2013 +, Maurice Noname wrote: On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:57:05 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: If you want to make life easier, it may be useful to leave an empty paragraph before using the three-symbol technique to create a border. Then the border is attached to a further empty paragraph and will be very much easier to delete if desired. What is the minimum-size empty paragraph? How many consecutive blank lines?! There is no such thing as an blank line in a word processing document (unless you create them with line breaks, using Shift+Enter); consecutive presses of Enter create empty paragraphs. When you use the three-symbol technique to create a border, you need to start in an empty paragraph, so you will have pressed Enter at the end of the preceding paragraph. But when you press Enter after the three characters, you don't keep that separate paragraph; instead, the border is attached to the previous paragraph. You've pressed Enter twice, but you've ended up creating only one paragraph end. If you want the border to be detached from the previous paragraph, you need to press Enter twice before you enter the three characters - creating a separate empty paragraph (your blank line) before you do. When you press Enter for a third time, you will have your original paragraph with no border and a separate paragraph (that separate empty one) containing just the border but otherwise empty. Three presses of Enter has created two paragraph ends. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:44:49 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: you will see one of a variety of borders attached to the preceding paragraph. This line is a property of that paragraph, not an entity by itself My problem with those is they seem impossible to delete! -- /\/\aurice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Not impossible, you just have to reassert the paragraph style back to default (or to the paragraph style you are using for non HR separated text blocks). From: Maurice [maur...@bcs.org.uk] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:33 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:44:49 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: you will see one of a variety of borders attached to the preceding paragraph. This line is a property of that paragraph, not an entity by itself My problem with those is they seem impossible to delete! -- /\/\aurice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
At 15:33 29/06/2013 +, Maurice Noname wrote: On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:44:49 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: you will see one of a variety of borders attached to the preceding paragraph. This line is a property of that paragraph, not an entity by itself My problem with those is they seem impossible to delete! That's for precisely the reason I gave: that the line doesn't exist by itself but is instead part of the paragraph to which it is a border - normally the preceding one. To remove such a line, right-click in the relevant (probably preceding) paragraph and select Paragraph... or Edit Paragraph Style... as appropriate. On the Borders tab, you can either click the left-hand symbol under Line arrangement or click - None - for Style under Line to turn off the border and remove the line. If you want to make life easier, it may be useful to leave an empty paragraph before using the three-symbol technique to create a border. Then the border is attached to a further empty paragraph and will be very much easier to delete if desired. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
The style 'horizontal line' does exist. It format a paragraph with a double line of 0.3 pt height (or depth). You can modify the width to 3.05 pt to have a nice double horizontal line, coloured grey. If we use '---' or '___' or '~~~ will get wider lines, of grey color. Of course, this is different from an image of a line. You might search for such an image and insert in your document. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Triaging Competition, was: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Hi :) +1 Yes, to actually join in with the triaging it would help to learn how to do it properly! There are a few basic things in the instructions that almost anyone could handle quite easily. Getting some of those things out of the way might help the more experienced triagers get on with the heavier tasks. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage When i said it might help if a few of us knew what is in the drop-downs that is mostly because we often have requests for new features and it would be good to know which drop-down to use for feature-requests. Also some of the titles look a bit unpleasant and it might help for us to be able to explain some of the meanings of those on-list here to avoid unnecessary chatter getting repeated in many different bug-report threads. Regards from Tom :) - Forwarded Message - From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 14 June 2013, 17:54 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) It would be really great if more of us could learn how to mark as duplicate and other triaging stuff. Even just a few people here learnt what is in some of those drop-downs that would be good. I'm completely hopeless at remembering that sort of thing but there is a competition coming up soon and it would be great if the Users List were able to walk off with some of the prizes. It's a t-shirt rather than a cup or trophy for the top 10 so it's a tad more useful! In general we don't want users playing around with the stuff on top unless they take a little time to get involved with QA - mainly because there are nuances and more times than not users mark something incorrectly (like updating the version when tested against a newer release which is not the correct workflow) and then QA has to go and reverse everything and explain policies. For anyone interested in learning about QA stuff I recommend reading https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage which breaks down workflow relatively well. And yes, I do invite everyone to participate in our triage competition/event and to join our QA channel where you'll find quite a few helpful people to get you started :) Hope that didn't come off as rough, just want to be clear that the top section is meant to be for people who know what they are doing - and learning requires individuals to be a little proactive. Plenty of people (myself included) offer help all the time, definitely willing to meet people half way if they want to join - you (Tom) know more than most that we could surely use the help :) Warm Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
When I want to draw horizontal line I use: Automatic lines in Writer 1. If you start a new line in a Writer text document by typing three or more hyphen characters and press the Enter key, the characters are removed and the previous paragraph gets a line as a bottom border. To create a single line, type three or more hyphens (-), or underscores ( _ ), and then press Enter. To create a double line, type three or more equal signs (=), asterisks (*), tildes (~), or hash marks (#), and then press Enter. 2. To remove an automatically drawn border, choose Format - Paragraph - Borders and select no border. 3. To undo an automatic border replacement once, choose Edit - Undo. 4. To disable the automatic borders, choose Tools - AutoCorrect Options - Options and clear Apply border. The lines and other drawing objects that you insert in text are not defined in HTML, and are therefore not exported directly into HTML format. Instead, they are exported as graphics. When the document is saved these lines are retained. There is no need for the Insert Horizontal Line in the Insert menu. Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-3-3-Insert-Horizontal-rule-is-missing-tp4061308p4061612.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Hi :) You are making it sound more complicated than it really is. 1. There is already a bug-report about this. I doubt everything that anyone does is 100% perfect 100% of the time. When problems are noticed in LO a bug-report gets posted and then hopefully get worked on. Similarly with other programs using the ODF formats. Even if the bug-report doesn't get fixed quickly then at least there is a record of the problem. If the problem affects enough people then it probably gets listed in the Release Notes. The question is how can we attract more devs and once they have started working on some parts of LO how can we attract them into fixing old problems rather than just going off to some other project? 2. Formats are likely to grow and change in the future. LO uses ODF 1.2 (Extended) and hopefully the departures from normal 1.2 are documented. If you want to return to pure 1.2 then it's fairly easy to look up the ISO standard for that. If you want to return to 1.1, or the 1.0 then again it's reasonably easy to look up the specs for those too. Those specs closely match the way it's implemented in the various programs that use the format. 3. You can find programs that still use the older formats. Even LO can be switched to using older formats. See Tools - Options - Load/Save - General 4. The devs have created a new format for LO that wraps up the 3 older formats, 1.2 (not extended), 1.1 and 1.0 and are calling it something like 1.2 Extended (compat). Files created using that format will be able to be read by legacy software that can only read 1.0 or only 1.1. Presumably at some point we are going to find the options listed in Tools - Options - Load/Save - General to drop from 4 formats back down to 2. The whole point of ODF is that even if or when programs do abandon a particular version of it that format is still readable because the format is implemented as specified. The point is NOT to condemn us all to sticking with an unchanging format for the next few hundred years! Change is inevitable. Documenting those changes is part of the aim of ODF so that old files can be read. This is going waaay off-topic again. Regards from Tom :) From: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 14 June 2013, 0:32 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing On 6/13/13 5:12 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hmm, there are many reasons for preferring non-MS. Backwards compatibility is just 1 of the issues. Current compatibility with it's own current formats is another. A third is whether it's current formats work with non-MS products that do follow the OOXML ISO standard. Regards from Tom :) Preferring MS or not, or any other format, isn't the point here. It's accessing the old files regardless of format, which even LO appears to be abandoning. You can't have it both ways, use ODT because the standards will remain unchanged so old files can be accessed while accepting a decision that prevents the accurate opening of the old files. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Hi, Tom, :-) On 6/14/13 5:46 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) You are making it sound more complicated than it really is. No, not really. Maurice's point is the abandonment of the horizontal rule breaks his older documents. Readable or not. Steve's point is the breaking of old documents by removing the horizontal rule is the same type of practice for which people bad mouth MS. snip 3. You can find programs that still use the older formats. Even LO can be switched to using older formats. See Tools - Options - Load/Save - General So, I guess if Maurice still wants to use the horizontal rule ( or any other deprecated features) he should abandon the current LO and use the older programs? Pray tell, if you drop the horizontal rule from the new version, how do you load and save a document that has a horizontal rule? 4. The devs have created a new format for LO that wraps up the 3 older formats, 1.2 (not extended), 1.1 and 1.0 and are calling it something like 1.2 Extended (compat). Files created using that format will be able to be read by legacy software that can only read 1.0 or only 1.1. Presumably at some point we are going to find the options listed in Tools - Options - Load/Save - General to drop from 4 formats back down to 2. I submit that files created by the new format will only load correctly in the older software if the features in the new documents are supported in the old software. The whole point of ODF is that even if or when programs do abandon a particular version of it that format is still readable because the format is implemented as specified. The point is NOT to condemn us all to sticking with an unchanging format for the next few hundred years! Change is inevitable. Documenting those changes is part of the aim of ODF so that old files can be read. Readable does not equate to useable, which I think is Maurice's point. Making the file readable by legacy software is rather a waste of time anyway, since the legacy software will eventually be broken by the evolution of the different OSes. Making older files with the legacy formats useable, not just readable, is a valid goal. That saves the user having to take the time to redo the document when it's a document that is still being used. Such as a template. Even if the new software can't save in the old format, if you read the old format 100% correctly, then all you have to do is Save As in the new format. And the user gets on with life. I would have to agree with Maurice, dropping the horizontal rule is dumb, especially if it now takes more work at the user's end to create one with HTML tags. One of the reasons for computers is to get rid of having to do repetitive things by the human. Have the computer do it. For me, it's becoming a moot point. I'd rather pay for program(s) that do what I need without issues (never 100% possible, but I'm finding more possible than with LO) and constantly mess with free software. Thunderbird is the other program for me that is on very thin ice. This is going waaay off-topic again. True, but it's a good conversation. :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) It would be really great if more of us could learn how to mark as duplicate and other triaging stuff. Even just a few people here learnt what is in some of those drop-downs that would be good. I'm completely hopeless at remembering that sort of thing but there is a competition coming up soon and it would be great if the Users List were able to walk off with some of the prizes. It's a t-shirt rather than a cup or trophy for the top 10 so it's a tad more useful! In general we don't want users playing around with the stuff on top unless they take a little time to get involved with QA - mainly because there are nuances and more times than not users mark something incorrectly (like updating the version when tested against a newer release which is not the correct workflow) and then QA has to go and reverse everything and explain policies. For anyone interested in learning about QA stuff I recommend reading https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage which breaks down workflow relatively well. And yes, I do invite everyone to participate in our triage competition/event and to join our QA channel where you'll find quite a few helpful people to get you started :) Hope that didn't come off as rough, just want to be clear that the top section is meant to be for people who know what they are doing - and learning requires individuals to be a little proactive. Plenty of people (myself included) offer help all the time, definitely willing to meet people half way if they want to join - you (Tom) know more than most that we could surely use the help :) Warm Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:33:14 -0700, V Stuart Foote wrote: I have started a UX-Advise thread on design review of how Horizontal Rulers can be reintroduced to the Writer GUI. Great news, Stuart! Good hunting -- /\/\aurice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:07:53 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Feel free to post a bug-report or wish-list item about it https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport There might already be one Could not see one - but there is one (53852) asking for an improvement to the now omitted function! (Last posting there Aug.26 2012...) For new documents I could manage without the function, but I have an existing document using horizontal rules that no longer shows the lines correctly, so I shall raise a bug report. I think it is poor that such a function should just be dropped for no apparent reason, in such an incompatible way, and with no pre-discussion that I'm aware of. -- /\/\aurice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Maurice, Simply reopen issue fdo#60858 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858 , but you will need to make a strong case from a UX position as to why a horizontal rule direct style object is needed. Also, HTML styles and direct editing still support use of HR or HR / tagging so the horizontal rule is an more an issue of direct styling paragraph separators. A more precise discussion Ask LibreOffice thread is: selection-of-horizontal-rule-no-longer-possible http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/15930/selection-of-horizontal-rule-no-longer-possible/ Looking at fdo#60858, the decision to remove the direct styling looks to have been one of code maintenance... 2012-11-23 Cédric BosdonnatRemoved horizontal rule ugly 1990 thing Change-Id: Ifafd8b2ffd9af90b6ac4ed2ee0ccd3c5e980731c https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.gita=searchh=HEADst=commits=Ifafd8b2ffd9af90b6ac4ed2ee0ccd3c5e980731c But a case has to be made for UX development to reestablish--that process is via the fdo#60858 bug and the LibreOffice UX-Advise http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/UX-Advise-f3619688.html list. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-3-3-Insert-Horizontal-rule-is-missing-tp4061308p4061331.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
I've gone ahead and reopened the fdo#60858 bug. But, is it a regression or a needed enhancement? In either case, please make your usage case for needing horizontal rule as separators. Should address both direct styling (i.e. from the menu) as well as page styling (i.e. the horizontal rule applied as paragraph separator). -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-3-3-Insert-Horizontal-rule-is-missing-tp4061308p4061335.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:32:49 +, Maurice wrote: I shall raise a bug report. Now raised, but I still don't have a bug report number. The gist of it is that the omission* of the Horizontal Rule option has created a problem for documents that already have such lines, i.e. it was an *incompatible* change. (* I see that the mission was on grounds of 'difficulty of maintenance'. Does that mean we may see other useful facilities suddenly disappear?!) -- /\/\aurice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Maurice, Your bug was fdo#65719 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65719 but that has been consolidated as a duplicate of fdo#60858 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858 . Please comment against fdo#60858 Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-3-3-Insert-Horizontal-rule-is-missing-tp4061308p4061348.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:45:40 +0100, I wrote: I still don't have a bug report number. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65719 (Marked as a duplicate of : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858 -- /\/\aurice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
I have started a UX-Advise thread on design review of how Horizontal Rulers can be reintroduced to the Writer GUI. How-to-provide-horizontal-rule-paragraph-separators http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-provide-horizontal-rule-paragraph-separators-tp4061353.html Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-0-3-3-Insert-Horizontal-rule-is-missing-tp4061308p4061356.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Hi :) It would be really great if more of us could learn how to mark as duplicate and other triaging stuff. Even just a few people here learnt what is in some of those drop-downs that would be good. I'm completely hopeless at remembering that sort of thing but there is a competition coming up soon and it would be great if the Users List were able to walk off with some of the prizes. It's a t-shirt rather than a cup or trophy for the top 10 so it's a tad more useful! Congrats Maurice if you were the one that marked-as-duplicate! If Stuart did it then many thanks again to him for all his work. Regards from Tom :) From: Maurice Batey maur...@bcs.org.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013, 20:01 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:45:40 +0100, I wrote: I still don't have a bug report number. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65719 (Marked as a duplicate of : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60858 -- /\/\aurice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
On 6/13/13 3:10 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: On 2013-06-14 02:48, Maurice Batey wrote: Having installed Mageia-3 on a trial basis, I have come across an omission in its LO 4.0.3.3 that I have been using on Mageia-2's LO 3.5.7.2, namely 'Insert: Horizontal rule' The result is that any document prepared with 3.5.7.2 does not appear correctly under 4.0.3.3. 74 I see from: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/14922/why-is-horizontal-line-broken-in-401/ that the omission is a deliberate change rather than accidental (although it seems the Help info still thinks otherwise...). Why on earth drop a feature that people are using? What is the rationale? Failing any other solution to my problem, is there any way I can copy the 3.5.7.2 'ruler' file over in to 4.0.3.3 so that the latter shows the lines properly? For me the big issue is that MSO is flamed for poor backwards compatibility with and support of its own file types, will you be able to open those MS files 10 years down the track, and now LO are heading the same way. Surely if the horizontal rule is to be dropped as such file compatibility can be maintained by converting to a drawn line object, as could removing compatibility with earlier files from the LO binary without moving the code to an optional plugin easily accessed from the binary. Steve +1 So much for the big discussion earlier about how everyone should switch to ODT because the standard wouldn't change.LOL This just proves, that if you want those old files, you'd better have an old OS and software available to read them. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
On 6/13/13 5:12 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hmm, there are many reasons for preferring non-MS. Backwards compatibility is just 1 of the issues. Current compatibility with it's own current formats is another. A third is whether it's current formats work with non-MS products that do follow the OOXML ISO standard. Regards from Tom :) Preferring MS or not, or any other format, isn't the point here. It's accessing the old files regardless of format, which even LO appears to be abandoning. You can't have it both ways, use ODT because the standards will remain unchanged so old files can be accessed while accepting a decision that prevents the accurate opening of the old files. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
