Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi Florian, I am finding no time to contribute to Libreoffice Community, can you please remove me from this moderator's list? Thanks, Ram On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, RD Vaishnav wrote on 2013-05-04 13:49: i m interested in becoming moderator for mailing list. and is it fine if i check mails just twice or thrice a day?? and thanks for the opportunity. thanks a lot! I've just made you moderator of the users list. ;-) Of course, it's totally fine to check mails even just once a day. There's no obligation to read everything in time - sorry if my mail sounded that way. I just want to make sure that people moderating the list are also actually reading it, that's it. :) So, welcome on board! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi, Ram 'Gurumukhi' wrote on 2014-09-21 at 06:29: I am finding no time to contribute to Libreoffice Community, can you please remove me from this moderator's list? of course, I have removed you as moderator of the users list. Thanks for your work! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Beautifully expressed. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) You 2 have kinda missed the boat on that one. Now you would need to convince all handset and mobile device makers, plus all office workers everywhere to revert back to a system that almost no-one feels comfortable with. Even in-line posts often freak people out. If you want to make that your mission before accepting people into LibreOffice then you have a big challenge ahead of you. Alternatively we could just make these lists unable to cope with any new people and make new people feel very unwelcome. Regards from Tom :) From: Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com To: e-letter inp...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 9:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators Hi, On 8 May 2013 08:41, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more useful in other areas of the project!! [...] Would you please moderate their posts particularly? ;) Please mark top-post spam: delete As a general info: moderators only receive emails from people who are not subscribed to the list. If you are subscribed, your message goes right to the list without being shown to a moderator. (which I think, is a good thing - I don't want to censor anyones posts). But I agree, top posting is an annoying thing. ;) Sigrid -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
On 08/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 8 May 2013 08:41, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more useful in other areas of the project!! [...] Would you please moderate their posts particularly? ;) Please mark top-post spam: delete A deliberate addition to see who would bite the bait and prefer not to discuss the original topic; it worked ;) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
The thing that amuses me is the creative or at least literary geniuses we seem to have on this list. Anne I compliment you! Although I don't often respond to the list much these days I still make the effort to read all threads! I have often considered some aspects of what it is I can do and I'm still stuck on the time and involvement, It sucks being in the position where you constantly are traveling and unable to keep on top of this all! Anyhow, I'd best be off I've got rehearsals to go to! well on that note - Currently using LO to draft a play that a youth theatre group will be using as part of the International Festival of the Arts! Cheerio! Ant On Fri, 10 May 2013, at 11:56 AM, e-letter wrote: On 08/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 8 May 2013 08:41, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun an be more useful in other areas of the project!! [...] Would you please moderate their posts particularly? ;) Please mark top-post spam: delete A deliberate addition to see who would bite the bait and prefer not to discuss the original topic; it worked ;) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Wow, thank you for these kind words; you're mighty sweet! With all the best of wishes for you yours, now always, your friend always, BTW - I'm quite curious as to the play you're working on; I've always been involved in the arts too. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.comwrote: The thing that amuses me is the creative or at least literary geniuses we seem to have on this list. Anne I compliment you! Although I don't often respond to the list much these days I still make the effort to read all threads! I have often considered some aspects of what it is I can do and I'm still stuck on the time and involvement, It sucks being in the position where you constantly are traveling and unable to keep on top of this all! Anyhow, I'd best be off I've got rehearsals to go to! well on that note - Currently using LO to draft a play that a youth theatre group will be using as part of the International Festival of the Arts! Cheerio! Ant -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more useful in other areas of the project!! That is your opinion. But I think it is very arrogant of you to decide for someone else, where he would have more fun. Also discouraging someone from a job that he's willing to take on, is counterproductive. Agreed. You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a bit longer. Perhaps just become more familiar with the types of posts that do get to this list. It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's going to need a LOT of people. For the project as a whole i think it would be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the Users List! How do you come to this conclusion? What makes you think, that he would be a good moderator for the dev list (which isn't even in our infrastructure) but not for the users list? If you look at a random selection of typical replies, this is a common occurrence. On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while would be perfect for this list What makes Anne perfect for this list? I have a very hard time reading (and understanding) her posts. But I would never say, that she is (or is not) perfect for the moderator job. How you write your posts has nothing to do with moderating a message. It is either accepting or rejecting an email from someone else for the list. And being able to figure out, if an email is spam or not (everything that comes from *mail.ru often is). Agreed; both these writers often publish gibberish. With such moderation, spam is likely to increase ;) Honestly, I was put off by your reply to RD Vaishnav's generous offer. We do need more moderators on the different lists... Would you please moderate their posts particularly? ;) Please mark top-post spam: delete -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi, On 8 May 2013 08:41, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more useful in other areas of the project!! [...] Would you please moderate their posts particularly? ;) Please mark top-post spam: delete As a general info: moderators only receive emails from people who are not subscribed to the list. If you are subscribed, your message goes right to the list without being shown to a moderator. (which I think, is a good thing - I don't want to censor anyones posts). But I agree, top posting is an annoying thing. ;) Sigrid -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi, Joel Madero wrote on 2013-05-08 01:47: If QA is included in the call for moderators, fantastic, if not, I'd open it up as well :) I will maintain admin rights and get familiar with them but moderation will be needed. the QA list is outside my scope - I don't even have administrative access here, so it was not included in the call for moderators. Of course, if you can configure the list, feel free to start such a call. :-) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi :) Moderation in this case means unblocking messages that have been automatically blocked. It's quite the opposite of the normal meaning i think. Quite a lot of people are needed. So far the only ones i have seen were blocked due to the person not subscribing to the list before posting. It should be fairly easy to 1. copypaste a standard message back to them to ask them to subscribe 2. Unblock the message so that it does get to the list. 3. Move on to next message. It may help to be intelligent enough and have good enough understanding of English in order to spot and maybe solve problems but so far we haven't seen any of that. Well, except one post was in non-English. Regards from Tom :) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 2:59 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators anne-ology wrote: Just one question: haven't you already made 2 others moderators for this list? - how many are needed or does each do some specific job? Everything in moderation, including moderation. ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi :) I still haven't read the Faq yet. Hopefully i might get started on all this over the weekend. Just checking my first impressions are right. So, most of the blocked messages are from people that are not subscribed? Those fall into 3 main categories 1. Spam 2. Junk 3. Legitimate post (i hesitate to use the term serious given the nature of many legitimate posts to this list) For 1 2 we do nothing and just let the message get dealt with automatically. It's only the 3rd case that we unblock them. This looks a lot more trivial than i was expecting. The only issues might be the volume of traffic, how we co-ordinate on the moderators mailing list and how complex the unblocking process is. Regards from Tom :) From: Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl snip / in principle each does the same: look if a mail to the list, from some address not subscribed, if spam, junk, or a serious post. And in the latter case only, make sure that it reaches the list. With all due thanks, You're welcome. Cheers Cor -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi :) You 2 have kinda missed the boat on that one. Now you would need to convince all handset and mobile device makers, plus all office workers everywhere to revert back to a system that almost no-one feels comfortable with. Even in-line posts often freak people out. If you want to make that your mission before accepting people into LibreOffice then you have a big challenge ahead of you. Alternatively we could just make these lists unable to cope with any new people and make new people feel very unwelcome. Regards from Tom :) From: Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com To: e-letter inp...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 9:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators Hi, On 8 May 2013 08:41, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more useful in other areas of the project!! [...] Would you please moderate their posts particularly? ;) Please mark top-post spam: delete As a general info: moderators only receive emails from people who are not subscribed to the list. If you are subscribed, your message goes right to the list without being shown to a moderator. (which I think, is a good thing - I don't want to censor anyones posts). But I agree, top posting is an annoying thing. ;) Sigrid -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi, Tom Davies wrote on 2013-05-08 11:07: Just checking my first impressions are right. So, most of the blocked messages are from people that are not subscribed? Those fall into 3 main categories 1. Spam 2. Junk 3. Legitimate post (i hesitate to use the term serious given the nature of many legitimate posts to this list) For 1 2 we do nothing and just let the message get dealt with automatically. It's only the 3rd case that we unblock them. This looks a lot more trivial than i was expecting. exactly - it's fairly easy. ;-) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit; one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing on what's gone before, then merely scroll down. Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite simple; oh, windows could be rolled up down in a car whenever; then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the engine was running ;-) On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) You 2 have kinda missed the boat on that one. Now you would need to convince all handset and mobile device makers, plus all office workers everywhere to revert back to a system that almost no-one feels comfortable with. Even in-line posts often freak people out. If you want to make that your mission before accepting people into LibreOffice then you have a big challenge ahead of you. Alternatively we could just make these lists unable to cope with any new people and make new people feel very unwelcome. Regards from Tom :) From: Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com To: e-letter inp...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 9:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators Hi, On 8 May 2013 08:41, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/05/2013, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more useful in other areas of the project!! [...] Would you please moderate their posts particularly? ;) Please mark top-post spam: delete As a general info: moderators only receive emails from people who are not subscribed to the list. If you are subscribed, your message goes right to the list without being shown to a moderator. (which I think, is a good thing - I don't want to censor anyones posts). But I agree, top posting is an annoying thing. ;) Sigrid -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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+1 From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit; one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing on what's gone before, then merely scroll down. Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite simple; oh, windows could be rolled up down in a car whenever; then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the engine was running ;-) +2 ;-) Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
+2 ??? ;-) 2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits, a dollar ... all for *___*, stand up and holler! well, my mind wanders ;-) On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:46 AM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.eduwrote: +1 From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit; one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing on what's gone before, then merely scroll down. Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite simple; oh, windows could be rolled up down in a car whenever; then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the engine was running ;-) +2 ;-) Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
On Wed, 8 May 2013, V Stuart Foote wrote: +1 From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit; one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing on what's gone before, then merely scroll down. Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite simple; oh, windows could be rolled up down in a car whenever; then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the engine was running ;-) +2 ;-) Stuart -2 (or however many) many (all?) of us read several posts so you end up with a bunch of nearly meaningless opening lines; why read further? with bottom-posting, you see right away what the issue was, which motivates further reading. I know this is a perennial disagreement; perhaps top-posters might at least consider pruning the thread so it's easier to know what they are talking about. F. -- Felmon Davis To love is wise; to hate is foolish. -- Bertrand Russell -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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All, Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to click scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as bottom posting in my compose window. Sorry for the inconvenience... Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer On 8 May 2013 16:44, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Wed, 8 May 2013, V Stuart Foote wrote: +1 From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit; one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing on what's gone before, then merely scroll down. Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite simple; oh, windows could be rolled up down in a car whenever; then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the engine was running ;-) +2 ;-) Stuart -2 (or however many) many (all?) of us read several posts so you end up with a bunch of nearly meaningless opening lines; why read further? with bottom-posting, you see right away what the issue was, which motivates further reading. I know this is a perennial disagreement; perhaps top-posters might at least consider pruning the thread so it's easier to know what they are talking about. F. -- Felmon Davis To love is wise; to hate is foolish. -- Bertrand Russell -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- DISCLAIMER http://www.tvh.com/newen2/emaildisclaimer/default.html This message is delivered to all addressees subject to the conditions set forth in the attached disclaimer, which is an integral part of this message. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Gosh @anne-ology, Formatting of your posts are always sooo far out there, i.e. off standards, I figured to give you a nod with the top posted and right justified +1, and a centered +2--although if I'd been thinking sharply enough I'd have made it a +2¢--because I love the car window analogy. Stuart From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 9:32 AM To: V Stuart Foote Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators +2 ??? ;-) 2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits, a dollar ... all for ___, stand up and holler! well, my mind wanders ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On Wed, 8 May 2013, Dries Feys wrote: All, Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to click scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as bottom posting in my compose window. Sorry for the inconvenience... it is inconvenient but so is the way gmail sets things up; I think some other email clients do the same. if I were using gmail, I also would probably top-post because it's one degree of inconvenience against another. I think trying to _write_ bottom-posting when the email program resists it is more difficult than trying to _read_ bottom-posting. (I'm not a dogmatist; I'm a pragmatist.) Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, mit herzlichen grüssen! F. DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer On 8 May 2013 16:44, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Wed, 8 May 2013, V Stuart Foote wrote: +1 From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit; one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing on what's gone before, then merely scroll down. Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite simple; oh, windows could be rolled up down in a car whenever; then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the engine was running ;-) +2 ;-) Stuart -2 (or however many) many (all?) of us read several posts so you end up with a bunch of nearly meaningless opening lines; why read further? with bottom-posting, you see right away what the issue was, which motivates further reading. I know this is a perennial disagreement; perhaps top-posters might at least consider pruning the thread so it's easier to know what they are talking about. F. -- Felmon Davis To love is wise; to hate is foolish. -- Bertrand Russell -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis If I had to live my life again, I'd make the same mistakes, only sooner. -- Tallulah Bankhead -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Top post, bottom post, interspersed --- it is all pretty much the same in the end for delivering and exchanging information. But what REALLY makes a difference in effort for recipients and for following the thread is simply trimming the response--by hand, or allowing your favorite news reader or email client to do it. The need is especially notable if you review threads on Nabble archive--this thread for example: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Seeking-for-list-moderators-tp4053736.html Stuart From: felmon davis [moelmoel2...@gmail.com] on behalf of Felmon Davis [dav...@union.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:04 AM On Wed, 8 May 2013, Dries Feys wrote: All, Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to click scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as bottom posting in my compose window. Sorry for the inconvenience... it is inconvenient but so is the way gmail sets things up; I think some other email clients do the same. if I were using gmail, I also would probably top-post because it's one degree of inconvenience against another. I think trying to _write_ bottom-posting when the email program resists it is more difficult than trying to _read_ bottom-posting. (I'm not a dogmatist; I'm a pragmatist.) Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, mit herzlichen grüssen! F. -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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You're so very cute; and very kind; THANK YOU for the glowing compliments. I've a number of pet-peeves, but these crazy electric windows may be the topper - at least the longest-standing; back as a kid, a friend's parent's saved and purchased their dream car - a Rolls Royce; well, when it arrived ... within 2 weeks; the right, rear window was stuck in the 1/2 open position - no mechanic knew why or what to do about it; some freak of the electronic system ;-) On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:02 AM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.eduwrote: Gosh @anne-ology, Formatting of your posts are always sooo far out there, i.e. off standards, I figured to give you a nod with the top posted and right justified +1, and a centered +2--although if I'd been thinking sharply enough I'd have made it a +2¢--because I love the car window analogy. Stuart From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 9:32 AM To: V Stuart Foote Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators +2 ??? ;-) 2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits, a dollar ... all for ___, stand up and holler! well, my mind wanders ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Jabberwocky by Lewis Carroll ’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. “Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!” He took his vorpal sword in hand; Long time the manxome foe he sought — So rested he by the Tumtum tree And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. “And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!” He chortled in his joy. ’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Wed, 8 May 2013, Dries Feys wrote: All, Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to click scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as bottom posting in my compose window. Sorry for the inconvenience... it is inconvenient but so is the way gmail sets things up; I think some other email clients do the same. if I were using gmail, I also would probably top-post because it's one degree of inconvenience against another. I think trying to _write_ bottom-posting when the email program resists it is more difficult than trying to _read_ bottom-posting. (I'm not a dogmatist; I'm a pragmatist.) Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, mit herzlichen grüssen! F. DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer On 8 May 2013 16:44, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Wed, 8 May 2013, V Stuart Foote wrote: +1 From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit; one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing on what's gone before, then merely scroll down. Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite simple; oh, windows could be rolled up down in a car whenever; then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the engine was running ;-) +2 ;-) Stuart -2 (or however many) many (all?) of us read several posts so you end up with a bunch of nearly meaningless opening lines; why read further? with bottom-posting, you see right away what the issue was, which motivates further reading. I know this is a perennial disagreement; perhaps top-posters might at least consider pruning the thread so it's easier to know what they are talking about. Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi :) I like the bits that say ... [show rest of quote] so that you can click on them to see the rest of the remaining thread if you want to. Of course you can easily read all the comments from top-posters with ease. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 16:18 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators Top post, bottom post, interspersed --- it is all pretty much the same in the end for delivering and exchanging information. But what REALLY makes a difference in effort for recipients and for following the thread is simply trimming the response--by hand, or allowing your favorite news reader or email client to do it. The need is especially notable if you review threads on Nabble archive--this thread for example: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Seeking-for-list-moderators-tp4053736.html Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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sounds like something I could do for this list. On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate this mailing list. If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed to the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but that's about it. Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it to the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens either when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project member uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but in fact it's a public list. You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then can either moderate through, or reject. Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated - just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators. Thanks! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Wow, thanks for the commendation; I would be delighted to be of service in this manner. On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more useful in other areas of the project!! You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a bit longer. Perhaps just become more familiar with the types of posts that do get to this list. It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's going to need a LOT of people. For the project as a whole i think it would be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the Users List! On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while would be perfect for this list Many regards from Tom :) From: RD Vaishnav vaishnav...@gmail.com To: flo...@documentfoundation.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 12:49 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators i m interested in becoming moderator for mailing list. and is it fine if i check mails just twice or thrice a day?? and thanks for the opportunity. On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate this mailing list. If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed to the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but that's about it. Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it to the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens either when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project member uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but in fact it's a public list. You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then can either moderate through, or reject. Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated - just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators. Thanks! Florian -- : Ram Dayal Vaishnav Gurumukhi NIT Trichy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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ouch ;-) which reminds me of Rudyard Kipling's words, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet BTW - my sincerest apologies to any of you to whom I must have offended; that has never been my intention, On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Tom, On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more useful in other areas of the project!! That is your opinion. But I think it is very arrogant of you to decide for someone else, where he would have more fun. Also discouraging someone from a job that he's willing to take on, is counterproductive. You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a bit longer. Perhaps just become more familiar with the types of posts that do get to this list. It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's going to need a LOT of people. For the project as a whole i think it would be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the Users List! How do you come to this conclusion? What makes you think, that he would be a good moderator for the dev list (which isn't even in our infrastructure) but not for the users list? On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while would be perfect for this list What makes Anne perfect for this list? I have a very hard time reading (and understanding) her posts. But I would never say, that she is (or is not) perfect for the moderator job. How you write your posts has nothing to do with moderating a message. It is either accepting or rejecting an email from someone else for the list. And being able to figure out, if an email is spam or not (everything that comes from *mail.ru often is). Honestly, I was put off by your reply to RD Vaishnav's generous offer. We do need more moderators on the different lists... Sigrid -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Thank you for these very kind words; I feel quite honored. On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Anne is; 1. familiar with the list so she knows the volume of traffic to expect 2. able to keep up with the traffic very well 3. seems to enjoy being here 4. probably ready to take on new challenges Vaishnav is a recent arrival who looks like being well on his way to the devs list. Being a moderator there might help him become more familiar with some of the issues there. if the devs list doesn't need moderating then i apologise for not realising it's treated so differently from all the other lists. I am sure we have all been new and keen at projects and then rapidly realised we've taken on too much and had to back out and then felt guilty about that or felt like never having anything to do with them ever again. Some call it burn out. From what i have seen so far i'd like to see Vaishnav stick around a long while and not suffer burn out too quickly. There are factors he might not be aware of and it felt unfair to expect him to jump in without knowing things we thoroughly grok through having been here more than a day. Not all of us here can write code or do a patch. The closest we get is writing macros and even that is waaay beyond most of us. Should we encourage him to build on his talents and mix with like-minded people or chain him down here with commitments to this list? It's up to him of course Regards from Tom :) From: Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: RD Vaishnav vaishnav...@gmail.com; flo...@documentfoundation.org flo...@documentfoundation.org; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 19:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators Hi Tom, On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more useful in other areas of the project!! That is your opinion. But I think it is very arrogant of you to decide for someone else, where he would have more fun. Also discouraging someone from a job that he's willing to take on, is counter-productive. You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a bit longer. Perhaps just become more familiar with the types of posts that do get to this list. It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's going to need a LOT of people. For the project as a whole i think it would be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the Users List! How do you come to this conclusion? What makes you think, that he would be a good moderator for the dev list (which isn't even in our infrastructure) but not for the users list? On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while would be perfect for this list What makes Anne perfect for this list? I have a very hard time reading (and understanding) her posts. But I would never say, that she is (or is not) perfect for the moderator job. How you write your posts has nothing to do with moderating a message. It is either accepting or rejecting an email from someone else for the list. And being able to figure out, if an email is spam or not (everything that comes from *mail.ru often is). Honestly, I was put off by your reply to RD Vaishnav's generous offer. We do need more moderators on the different lists... Sigrid -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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sounds good. Just one question: haven't you already made 2 others moderators for this list? - how many are needed or does each do some specific job? With all due thanks, yet also filled with curiosity, On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, anne-ology wrote on 2013-05-07 21:24: sounds like something I could do for this list. thank you very much for volunteering! I have just added you as moderator. :-) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hello, anne-ology wrote on 2013-05-07 21:24: sounds like something I could do for this list. thank you very much for volunteering! I have just added you as moderator. :-) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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anne-ology wrote (08-05-13 01:03) Just one question: haven't you already made 2 others moderators for this list? - Including you, there are 8 moderators now. how many are needed or does each do some specific job? No specific numbers for that. And in principle each does the same: look if a mail to the list, from some address not subscribed, if spam, junk, or a serious post. And in the letter case only, make sure that it reaches the list. With all due thanks, You're welcome. Cheers Cor -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Which mailing lists are we looking at. QA mailing list needs a couple moderators as well as our admin left the project recently. He passed on duties to me but to be quite honest I simply don't have the time and haven't even looked at the admin priv. since he passed them along last week. If QA is included in the call for moderators, fantastic, if not, I'd open it up as well :) I will maintain admin rights and get familiar with them but moderation will be needed. Best Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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I'm curious re. this as well; my curiosity is growing ;-) On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Which mailing lists are we looking at. QA mailing list needs a couple moderators as well as our admin left the project recently. He passed on duties to me but to be quite honest I simply don't have the time and haven't even looked at the admin priv. since he passed them along last week. If QA is included in the call for moderators, fantastic, if not, I'd open it up as well :) I will maintain admin rights and get familiar with them but moderation will be needed. Best Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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anne-ology wrote: Just one question: haven't you already made 2 others moderators for this list? - how many are needed or does each do some specific job? Everything in moderation, including moderation. ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hello, RD Vaishnav wrote on 2013-05-04 13:49: i m interested in becoming moderator for mailing list. and is it fine if i check mails just twice or thrice a day?? and thanks for the opportunity. thanks a lot! I've just made you moderator of the users list. ;-) Of course, it's totally fine to check mails even just once a day. There's no obligation to read everything in time - sorry if my mail sounded that way. I just want to make sure that people moderating the list are also actually reading it, that's it. :) So, welcome on board! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi, Tom Davies wrote on 2013-05-05 23:01: That all sounds wise. A trial run after exams. Well, after celebrating after exams. good luck with these! I would quite like to be 1 of the moderators here but ideally 1. if there are plenty of other people to cover it too. Most of the posts seem to be when i am afk or even off-line completely 2. just for a trial period in case people aren't happy with the way i do it or in case i become unhappy with it. So, please make me a moderator of the Users List and lets see how it goes. Thanks for volunteering - I have just made you a moderator! :) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hello Tom, Thomas Taylor wrote on 2013-05-06 00:46: I would be interested in assisting with this lists' moderation. I'm bound to a wheelchair and have several health problems. I need hemo-dialysis three days per week for at least four hours per session and wifi access is provided so I would be able to use that time and most mornings and evenings. Afternoons are very iffy as I have lots of doctor appointments which I try to limit to those times. I am really touched by your e-mail and your generosity, and would like to thank you personally for your support and encouraging example - I am really, really touched by the fact that, despite your own issues, you would like to support us in this way. I have added you as a moderator of this mailing list, but I really would like to let you know that you should not feel any obligation at all. Your own health is the most important good, so please don't feel pushed in any way. Again, thank you very much, and all the best for you personally! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi all, I am just new here so i am not that much familiar with anything basically, so to have a kick start I can take any responsibility. I will prefer development kind of work, but list moderating is also fine for me. The only thing is I may take some time to understand things fully. If this job requires sound knowledge of this mailing list system etc then i wont be right person. And one more thing, i have my exams next week, so for around 10 days i wont be available fully. Kindly consider all these things and guide me. On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hey, let's not discourage people from contributing. If anyone, even people new to the project, would like to look at the moderator's job - why not? We're open, and everyone can and will find out the best place to contribute, and that might be moderation. It's appreciated if we give people advice, but let them find out themselves what they want - that's the best for everyone, I think. Florian -- : Ram Dayal Vaishnav Gurumukhi NIT Trichy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi :) That all sounds wise. A trial run after exams. Well, after celebrating after exams. I would quite like to be 1 of the moderators here but ideally 1. if there are plenty of other people to cover it too. Most of the posts seem to be when i am afk or even off-line completely 2. just for a trial period in case people aren't happy with the way i do it or in case i become unhappy with it. So, please make me a moderator of the Users List and lets see how it goes. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: RD Vaishnav vaishnav...@gmail.com Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 10:01 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators Hello, RD Vaishnav wrote on 2013-05-05 09:41: Hi all, I am just new here so i am not that much familiar with anything basically, so to have a kick start I can take any responsibility. I will prefer development kind of work, but list moderating is also fine for me. The only thing is I may take some time to understand things fully. If this job requires sound knowledge of this mailing list system etc then i wont be right person. And one more thing, i have my exams next week, so for around 10 days i wont be available fully. Kindly consider all these things and guide me. no worries, your exams have first priority, of course! Let's do the following: When your exams are over, and you have some time again, send me an email directly, and I will add you as moderator - and then you see if this fits for you. Ok? Good luck with your exams! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 04 May 2013 13:32:43 +0200 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate this mailing list. If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed to the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but that's about it. Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it to the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens either when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project member uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but in fact it's a public list. You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then can either moderate through, or reject. Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated - just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators. Thanks! Florian Hi Florian, I would be interested in assisting with this lists' moderation. I'm bound to a wheelchair and have several health problems. I need hemo-dialysis three days per week for at least four hours per session and wifi access is provided so I would be able to use that time and most mornings and evenings. Afternoons are very iffy as I have lots of doctor appointments which I try to limit to those times. Thanks, Tom Taylor KG7CFC -- I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: - No good in a bed, but fine against a wall.- Eleanor Roosevelt Tom Taylor - retired penguin - KG7CFC AMD Phenom II x4 955 -- 4GB RAM -- 2x1.5TB sata2 openSUSE 12.3-x86_64 KDE 4.10.00, FF 19.0, claws-mail 3.9.1 registered linux user 263467 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRWnjBAAoJEHjxEe80vkwITlwIAPb2aBryi1pBNtlTTL87E1cB +71yW5BbhS26IBkqy5o+u/KUdJGEQZ3kFcNn+7IFcTlhUMfmbz17GiVP60g2e9gW D91lvWyTH7CA+1pKoHAMtjK+U6KC9uclnWRObYPHHJjDyLdJBoRDD6r8SYn4fdiD dFRoV9tYhTRJYu170py6DybQ98qHnOe4uOO9Occdv34wXNcylPU4MOaUrFaFIqEF QyUwaQCzkUreLewUb65O/2FkyHZCsYIC+P7rDhTkNOHywb14urwZ7AfQ964dxLj4 Cnnc6LgI4+MFJeB8oxwyCWDC0Jx+DjuF4rhg981aRnqCZYa5HryDAQLD2BkYCZs= =nzdf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hello, at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate this mailing list. If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed to the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but that's about it. Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it to the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens either when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project member uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but in fact it's a public list. You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then can either moderate through, or reject. Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated - just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators. Thanks! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
i m interested in becoming moderator for mailing list. and is it fine if i check mails just twice or thrice a day?? and thanks for the opportunity. On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate this mailing list. If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed to the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but that's about it. Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it to the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens either when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project member uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but in fact it's a public list. You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then can either moderate through, or reject. Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated - just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators. Thanks! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.orgusers%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- : Ram Dayal Vaishnav Gurumukhi NIT Trichy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more useful in other areas of the project!! You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a bit longer. Perhaps just become more familiar with the types of posts that do get to this list. It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's going to need a LOT of people. For the project as a whole i think it would be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the Users List! On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while would be perfect for this list Many regards from Tom :) From: RD Vaishnav vaishnav...@gmail.com To: flo...@documentfoundation.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 12:49 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators i m interested in becoming moderator for mailing list. and is it fine if i check mails just twice or thrice a day?? and thanks for the opportunity. On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate this mailing list. If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed to the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but that's about it. Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it to the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens either when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project member uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but in fact it's a public list. You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then can either moderate through, or reject. Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated - just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators. Thanks! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.orgusers%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- : Ram Dayal Vaishnav Gurumukhi NIT Trichy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi Tom, On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more useful in other areas of the project!! That is your opinion. But I think it is very arrogant of you to decide for someone else, where he would have more fun. Also discouraging someone from a job that he's willing to take on, is counterproductive. You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a bit longer. Perhaps just become more familiar with the types of posts that do get to this list. It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's going to need a LOT of people. For the project as a whole i think it would be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the Users List! How do you come to this conclusion? What makes you think, that he would be a good moderator for the dev list (which isn't even in our infrastructure) but not for the users list? On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while would be perfect for this list What makes Anne perfect for this list? I have a very hard time reading (and understanding) her posts. But I would never say, that she is (or is not) perfect for the moderator job. How you write your posts has nothing to do with moderating a message. It is either accepting or rejecting an email from someone else for the list. And being able to figure out, if an email is spam or not (everything that comes from *mail.ru often is). Honestly, I was put off by your reply to RD Vaishnav's generous offer. We do need more moderators on the different lists... Sigrid -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
Hi :) Anne is; 1. familiar with the list so she knows the volume of traffic to expect 2. able to keep up with the traffic very well 3. seems to enjoy being here 4. probably ready to take on new challenges Vaishnav is a recent arrival who looks like being well on his way to the devs list. Being a moderator there might help him become more familiar with some of the issues there. if the devs list doesn't need moderating then i apologise for not realising it's treated so differently from all the other lists. I am sure we have all been new and keen at projects and then rapidly realised we've taken on too much and had to back out and then felt guilty about that or felt like never having anything to do with them ever again. Some call it burn out. From what i have seen so far i'd like to see Vaishnav stick around a long while and not suffer burn out too quickly. There are factors he might not be aware of and it felt unfair to expect him to jump in without knowing things we thoroughly grok through having been here more than a day. Not all of us here can write code or do a patch. The closest we get is writing macros and even that is waaay beyond most of us. Should we encourage him to build on his talents and mix with like-minded people or chain him down here with commitments to this list? It's up to him of course Regards from Tom :) From: Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: RD Vaishnav vaishnav...@gmail.com; flo...@documentfoundation.org flo...@documentfoundation.org; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 19:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators Hi Tom, On 4 May 2013 18:47, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be more useful in other areas of the project!! That is your opinion. But I think it is very arrogant of you to decide for someone else, where he would have more fun. Also discouraging someone from a job that he's willing to take on, is counter-productive. You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a bit longer. Perhaps just become more familiar with the types of posts that do get to this list. It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's going to need a LOT of people. For the project as a whole i think it would be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the Users List! How do you come to this conclusion? What makes you think, that he would be a good moderator for the dev list (which isn't even in our infrastructure) but not for the users list? On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while would be perfect for this list What makes Anne perfect for this list? I have a very hard time reading (and understanding) her posts. But I would never say, that she is (or is not) perfect for the moderator job. How you write your posts has nothing to do with moderating a message. It is either accepting or rejecting an email from someone else for the list. And being able to figure out, if an email is spam or not (everything that comes from *mail.ru often is). Honestly, I was put off by your reply to RD Vaishnav's generous offer. We do need more moderators on the different lists... Sigrid -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
