Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on windows 7

2012-03-22 Thread e-letter
On 21/03/2012, Jon Rubin darwinev0l...@gmail.com wrote:
 bangs head against wall.
 I'm in academia, they aren't going to buy me a copy of MS to use at home. I
 don't want to buy one.

Either change the source documents to odf to facilitate use of LO, or
buy m$. You will never achieve perfect compatibility between odf and
m$.

 Who benefits?
 Bangs head again.
 *I* benefit, if LO can open and save docx with no probllems so that it is
 transparent.

ODF does not. You would benefit better when abiword, kwrite, LO, AOO,
etc. can open and save odf without error.

 I normally ignore this kind of trolling, but as you rightly guessed, I've
 wasted several hours trying to get this to work and my patience is spent.


That's what it's all about: costs against benefits

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Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on windows 7

2012-03-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)

This is getting really tiresome.  The argument that no-one should change until 
the entire world changes is more likely to dissuade anyone from trying LO.  

The rest of the project is working hard at getting LO out there as a higher 
priority and then the format switch will happen when people find the ODF 
formats are better.  

E-letter please can you stop bullying new people and driving them away with 
your copypasted rants?
Regards from
Tom :)

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From: e-letter inp...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on 
windows 7
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 22 March, 2012, 14:19

On 21/03/2012, Jon Rubin darwinev0l...@gmail.com wrote:
 bangs head against wall.
 I'm in academia, they aren't going to buy me a copy of MS to use at home. I
 don't want to buy one.

Either change the source documents to odf to facilitate use of LO, or
buy m$. You will never achieve perfect compatibility between odf and
m$.

 Who benefits?
 Bangs head again.
 *I* benefit, if LO can open and save docx with no probllems so that it is
 transparent.

ODF does not. You would benefit better when abiword, kwrite, LO, AOO,
etc. can open and save odf without error.

 I normally ignore this kind of trolling, but as you rightly guessed, I've
 wasted several hours trying to get this to work and my patience is spent.


That's what it's all about: costs against benefits

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Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on windows 7

2012-03-22 Thread Jay Lozier

On 03/22/2012 01:39 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)

This is getting really tiresome.  The argument that no-one should change until the entire world changes is more likely to dissuade anyone from trying LO. 

The rest of the project is working hard at getting LO out there as a higher priority and then the format switch will happen when people find the ODF formats are better. 


E-letter please can you stop bullying new people and driving them away with your 
copypasted rants?
Regards from
Tom :)
+1 - There are many reasons people want/need to use LO or OOo over MSO 
and we should be helping users solve their interoperability problems.


--- On Thu, 22/3/12, e-letterinp...@gmail.com  wrote:

From: e-letterinp...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on 
windows 7
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 22 March, 2012, 14:19

On 21/03/2012, Jon Rubindarwinev0l...@gmail.com  wrote:

bangs head against wall.
I'm in academia, they aren't going to buy me a copy of MS to use at home. I
don't want to buy one.

Either change the source documents to odf to facilitate use of LO, or
buy m$. You will never achieve perfect compatibility between odf and
m$.


Who benefits?
Bangs head again.
*I* benefit, if LO can open and save docx with no probllems so that it is
transparent.

ODF does not. You would benefit better when abiword, kwrite, LO, AOO,
etc. can open and save odf without error.


I normally ignore this kind of trolling, but as you rightly guessed, I've
wasted several hours trying to get this to work and my patience is spent.


That's what it's all about: costs against benefits




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[libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on windows 7

2012-03-20 Thread darwinev0lved
HI, I was having problem with a docx document that work sent me (actually,
this isn't the first time, but it'd be nice to sort it if poss.). When I try
to save it, it crashes LO, I can recover it, I can save it as an odt but at
some point I'm going to have to send it back, so I need to be able to save
it as a docx.

I though it might be something off with the document itself, so I opened up
a blank document and tried to save that as a docx file - well this time I
got Libreoffice 3.5 has stopped working 

So, not great.

Advice, thoughts? 
Jon


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Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on windows 7

2012-03-20 Thread e-letter
On 20/03/2012, darwinev0lved darwinev0l...@gmail.com wrote:
 HI, I was having problem with a docx document that work sent me (actually,
 this isn't the first time, but it'd be nice to sort it if poss.). When I try
 to save it, it crashes LO, I can recover it, I can save it as an odt but at
 some point I'm going to have to send it back, so I need to be able to save
 it as a docx.


Your company should be paying you to buy a legitimate copy of m$...

Why do you want LO to be a m$-clone? Who benefits?

m$ formats are irrelevant to odf. The priority for LO is superior
behaviour of the software with native formats.

How does the perfect m$-clone behaviour of LO desired by so many
unwilling to pay the m$ tax benefit the preferred proliferation of
odf?

 I though it might be something off with the document itself, so I opened up
 a blank document and tried to save that as a docx file - well this time I
 got Libreoffice 3.5 has stopped working

 So, not great.


Strategically, it is great; m$ fans are forced to make a decision: pay
the m$ to continue using and propagating the m$ formats.

Have you conducted a full cost-benefit analysis of the time you are
wasting (yours, programmers who choose to write code gratis) compared
to you buying m$ and therefore releasing more time available to
improve odf???

 Advice, thoughts?

Please create a new document in odf using LO. When you open that
document using m$ and notice the destruction of the quality of your
original document, write to m$ and ask them to explain why m$ is
unable to open your odf document properly and correctly. Don't forget
to also ask m$ how to submit a bug report for the faulty performance
of m$. Tell us the response.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on windows 7

2012-03-20 Thread Shari

@darwinev0lved
Based on this email response maybe LibreOffice should remove this from 
their website:
Compatible with all major competitors' file formats. You can easily 
import files from Microsoft Word, Excel and PowerPoint and many other 
formats, and can easily save to Microsoft Office and other formats when 
needed.


This person is only asking to do what the website says it can. Either it 
can or it can't.

Shari

On 3/20/2012 4:21 PM, e-letter wrote:

On 20/03/2012, darwinev0lveddarwinev0l...@gmail.com  wrote:

HI, I was having problem with a docx document that work sent me (actually,
this isn't the first time, but it'd be nice to sort it if poss.). When I try
to save it, it crashes LO, I can recover it, I can save it as an odt but at
some point I'm going to have to send it back, so I need to be able to save
it as a docx.


Your company should be paying you to buy a legitimate copy of m$...

Why do you want LO to be a m$-clone? Who benefits?

m$ formats are irrelevant to odf. The priority for LO is superior
behaviour of the software with native formats.

How does the perfect m$-clone behaviour of LO desired by so many
unwilling to pay the m$ tax benefit the preferred proliferation of
odf?


I though it might be something off with the document itself, so I opened up
a blank document and tried to save that as a docx file - well this time I
got Libreoffice 3.5 has stopped working

So, not great.


Strategically, it is great; m$ fans are forced to make a decision: pay
the m$ to continue using and propagating the m$ formats.

Have you conducted a full cost-benefit analysis of the time you are
wasting (yours, programmers who choose to write code gratis) compared
to you buying m$ and therefore releasing more time available to
improve odf???


Advice, thoughts?

Please create a new document in odf using LO. When you open that
document using m$ and notice the destruction of the quality of your
original document, write to m$ and ask them to explain why m$ is
unable to open your odf document properly and correctly. Don't forget
to also ask m$ how to submit a bug report for the faulty performance
of m$. Tell us the response.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on windows 7

2012-03-20 Thread Shari
You can try saving it as a 2003 xml and office 2007/2010 should be able 
to open that. I know in a previous version of Libre this worked for me.


Shari

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Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on windows 7

2012-03-20 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
MS Office 2007  2010 claims to be able to use OpenDocument Formats such as Odt 
and Ods but it only handles the ancient 1.1 version, not the 1.2 taht most 
other programs have been using for years (although it was only formally 
released in about last Aug or something).  

Similarly LO supports doc and xls which are standard formats handled by all 
versions of MS Office.  For the most part it also handles docX and xlsX and so 
on except for occasional problems when MS Office doesn't implement it's own 
specification for those formats.  
Regards from
Tom :)



--- On Tue, 20/3/12, Shari uneedstuff.sh...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Shari uneedstuff.sh...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on 
windows 7
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 20 March, 2012, 21:58

@darwinev0lved
Based on this email response maybe LibreOffice should remove this from 
their website:
Compatible with all major competitors' file formats. You can easily 
import files from Microsoft Word, Excel and PowerPoint and many other 
formats, and can easily save to Microsoft Office and other formats when 
needed.

This person is only asking to do what the website says it can. Either it 
can or it can't.
Shari

On 3/20/2012 4:21 PM, e-letter wrote:
 On 20/03/2012, darwinev0lveddarwinev0l...@gmail.com  wrote:
 HI, I was having problem with a docx document that work sent me (actually,
 this isn't the first time, but it'd be nice to sort it if poss.). When I try
 to save it, it crashes LO, I can recover it, I can save it as an odt but at
 some point I'm going to have to send it back, so I need to be able to save
 it as a docx.

 Your company should be paying you to buy a legitimate copy of m$...

 Why do you want LO to be a m$-clone? Who benefits?

 m$ formats are irrelevant to odf. The priority for LO is superior
 behaviour of the software with native formats.

 How does the perfect m$-clone behaviour of LO desired by so many
 unwilling to pay the m$ tax benefit the preferred proliferation of
 odf?

 I though it might be something off with the document itself, so I opened up
 a blank document and tried to save that as a docx file - well this time I
 got Libreoffice 3.5 has stopped working

 So, not great.

 Strategically, it is great; m$ fans are forced to make a decision: pay
 the m$ to continue using and propagating the m$ formats.

 Have you conducted a full cost-benefit analysis of the time you are
 wasting (yours, programmers who choose to write code gratis) compared
 to you buying m$ and therefore releasing more time available to
 improve odf???

 Advice, thoughts?
 Please create a new document in odf using LO. When you open that
 document using m$ and notice the destruction of the quality of your
 original document, write to m$ and ask them to explain why m$ is
 unable to open your odf document properly and correctly. Don't forget
 to also ask m$ how to submit a bug report for the faulty performance
 of m$. Tell us the response.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on windows 7

2012-03-20 Thread Jon Rubin
bangs head against wall.
I'm in academia, they aren't going to buy me a copy of MS to use at home. I
don't want to buy one.
Who benefits?
Bangs head again.
*I* benefit, if LO can open and save docx with no probllems so that it is
transparent.
I normally ignore this kind of trolling, but as you rightly guessed, I've
wasted several hours trying to get this to work and my patience is spent.

On 20 March 2012 21:21, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 20/03/2012, darwinev0lved darwinev0l...@gmail.com wrote:
  HI, I was having problem with a docx document that work sent me
 (actually,
  this isn't the first time, but it'd be nice to sort it if poss.). When I
 try
  to save it, it crashes LO, I can recover it, I can save it as an odt but
 at
  some point I'm going to have to send it back, so I need to be able to
 save
  it as a docx.
 

 Your company should be paying you to buy a legitimate copy of m$...

 Why do you want LO to be a m$-clone? Who benefits?

 m$ formats are irrelevant to odf. The priority for LO is superior
 behaviour of the software with native formats.

 How does the perfect m$-clone behaviour of LO desired by so many
 unwilling to pay the m$ tax benefit the preferred proliferation of
 odf?

  I though it might be something off with the document itself, so I opened
 up
  a blank document and tried to save that as a docx file - well this time I
  got Libreoffice 3.5 has stopped working
 
  So, not great.
 

 Strategically, it is great; m$ fans are forced to make a decision: pay
 the m$ to continue using and propagating the m$ formats.

 Have you conducted a full cost-benefit analysis of the time you are
 wasting (yours, programmers who choose to write code gratis) compared
 to you buying m$ and therefore releasing more time available to
 improve odf???

  Advice, thoughts?

 Please create a new document in odf using LO. When you open that
 document using m$ and notice the destruction of the quality of your
 original document, write to m$ and ask them to explain why m$ is
 unable to open your odf document properly and correctly. Don't forget
 to also ask m$ how to submit a bug report for the faulty performance
 of m$. Tell us the response.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] saving as docx crashes libreoffice 3.5.1 on windows 7

2012-03-20 Thread Steve Edmonds

Have you tried any of the others.
Softmaker (free trial version), office web. I think a newer version of 
ApacheOO is due out later this year but it may be no better depending 
upon work on the filters.

Steve


On 2012-03-21 13:09, Jon Rubin wrote:

bangs head against wall.
I'm in academia, they aren't going to buy me a copy of MS to use at home. I
don't want to buy one.
Who benefits?
Bangs head again.
*I* benefit, if LO can open and save docx with no probllems so that it is
transparent.
I normally ignore this kind of trolling, but as you rightly guessed, I've
wasted several hours trying to get this to work and my patience is spent.

On 20 March 2012 21:21, e-letterinp...@gmail.com  wrote:


On 20/03/2012, darwinev0lveddarwinev0l...@gmail.com  wrote:

HI, I was having problem with a docx document that work sent me

(actually,

this isn't the first time, but it'd be nice to sort it if poss.). When I

try

to save it, it crashes LO, I can recover it, I can save it as an odt but

at

some point I'm going to have to send it back, so I need to be able to

save

it as a docx.


Your company should be paying you to buy a legitimate copy of m$...

Why do you want LO to be a m$-clone? Who benefits?

m$ formats are irrelevant to odf. The priority for LO is superior
behaviour of the software with native formats.

How does the perfect m$-clone behaviour of LO desired by so many
unwilling to pay the m$ tax benefit the preferred proliferation of
odf?


I though it might be something off with the document itself, so I opened

up

a blank document and tried to save that as a docx file - well this time I
got Libreoffice 3.5 has stopped working

So, not great.


Strategically, it is great; m$ fans are forced to make a decision: pay
the m$ to continue using and propagating the m$ formats.

Have you conducted a full cost-benefit analysis of the time you are
wasting (yours, programmers who choose to write code gratis) compared
to you buying m$ and therefore releasing more time available to
improve odf???


Advice, thoughts?

Please create a new document in odf using LO. When you open that
document using m$ and notice the destruction of the quality of your
original document, write to m$ and ask them to explain why m$ is
unable to open your odf document properly and correctly. Don't forget
to also ask m$ how to submit a bug report for the faulty performance
of m$. Tell us the response.

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