Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer bug? (bugzilla-link inside)
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 03:09:38 -0700 (PDT), SteveBell wrote: Hey Tom, the issue got some attention already and Roman is looking into it. So everything is fine. I too, do hope that LO will find some more frineds on OS X. Best, steve Well, I'd like to become one of those friends, but haven't succeeded in installing LO on my system. Several weeks ago I asked for some help with this and got no response. Does no one have any suggestions? Here is my earlier post: By mistake I had installed the PPC version of LO 3.6.1 on my Intel Mac Pro, and loaded an existing spreadsheet that was saved by NeoOffice. A few seconds after loading, without my hitting any keys or buttons, but moving the cursor, the app hung (spinning beach ball and one CPU goes to 100%). After force-quitting, I downloaded and installed the Intel version over the earlier one, and then again loaded the same spreadsheet. Again after a few seconds the app hung spontaneously. Finally I deleted the app with AppDelete, and installed it fresh from the .dmg file. This time I opened a new spreadsheet and tried a couple of elementary things. They worked, so I accessed Preferences and started to look at the General subheading under LibreOffice. After a few seconds, without my doing anything, the app hung. This happened two more times. Is there any way to get this app working under Mac OS X.6.8? Thanks. - Dushan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer bug? (bugzilla-link inside)
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:20:41 +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 10/10/12 18:20, Dushan Mitrovich a écrit : This time I opened a new spreadsheet and tried a couple of elementary things. They worked, so I accessed Preferences and started to look at the General subheading under LibreOffice. After a few seconds, without my doing anything, the app hung. This happened two more times. Is there any way to get this app working under Mac OS X.6.8? Going into Preferences when you have Accessibility Tools activated, or a tool that uses them, is known to crash versions of LO up to 3.6.2. A recent fix that should be in 3.6.3 addresses the large majority of cases for which this crash happened, but there are still examples of this buggy behaviour with some AT-related tools, e.g. screenreaders, screen or document zoom tools, speech dictation tools, and the like. Some haxies were also known to do this too. The only option at present, if you are affected by crashes of that type, is to deactivate the accessibility tools (assistive technology in Apple's vocabulary) and the apps that LO doesn't like to play with. So, the advice for Mac people in this situation is : get the very latest production release, and with a bit of luck, things might be a lot better than they were, at least insofar as stability is concerned. Alex Alex, thank you for this info - it finally tells me where to look. In Mac OS X.6.8, Accessibility Tools is called Universal Access, and yes, I do have that turned on, for two reasons: to be able to magnify an area of the screen on occasion, and to run Zooom 2, which provides focus-follows-mouse. Both of these, and especially the latter, are very useful, so I'll wait for LO version 3.6.3 to see if that solves the crashing problem. Thanks for pointing me out of limbo. - Dushan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer bug? (bugzilla-link inside)
Hi :) There is a guide to help fix Accessibility issues on Windows by fixing the Java Accessibility Bridge. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java Does Mac also depend on Java for these accessibility tools? I've got a feeling that the JAB is just for screen-readers? Also the page doesn't help 100% of the time but i think it's not far off. Suggestions or expanding it to other platforms would be great :) Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 10/10/12, Dushan Mitrovich dush...@spinn.net wrote: From: Dushan Mitrovich dush...@spinn.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer bug? (bugzilla-link inside) To: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 10 October, 2012, 20:00 On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:20:41 +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 10/10/12 18:20, Dushan Mitrovich a écrit : This time I opened a new spreadsheet and tried a couple of elementary things. They worked, so I accessed Preferences and started to look at the General subheading under LibreOffice. After a few seconds, without my doing anything, the app hung. This happened two more times. Is there any way to get this app working under Mac OS X.6.8? Going into Preferences when you have Accessibility Tools activated, or a tool that uses them, is known to crash versions of LO up to 3.6.2. A recent fix that should be in 3.6.3 addresses the large majority of cases for which this crash happened, but there are still examples of this buggy behaviour with some AT-related tools, e.g. screenreaders, screen or document zoom tools, speech dictation tools, and the like. Some haxies were also known to do this too. The only option at present, if you are affected by crashes of that type, is to deactivate the accessibility tools (assistive technology in Apple's vocabulary) and the apps that LO doesn't like to play with. So, the advice for Mac people in this situation is : get the very latest production release, and with a bit of luck, things might be a lot better than they were, at least insofar as stability is concerned. Alex Alex, thank you for this info - it finally tells me where to look. In Mac OS X.6.8, Accessibility Tools is called Universal Access, and yes, I do have that turned on, for two reasons: to be able to magnify an area of the screen on occasion, and to run Zooom 2, which provides focus-follows-mouse. Both of these, and especially the latter, are very useful, so I'll wait for LO version 3.6.3 to see if that solves the crashing problem. Thanks for pointing me out of limbo. - Dushan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer bug?(bugzilla-link inside)
(1) No, IIRC Apple does not use the Java Accessibility API and Java Access Bridge for its native Aqua/Cocoa NSAccessibility framework as used in VoiceOver. And OOo/LibO accessibility libraries make use of roles from NSAccessiblity framework to support OS X builds. But for development/implementation of non-Aqua/Cocoa Java accessible applications under OS X, a JRE and Java Access Bridge is required on OS X. So, with Oracle now building the JRE used by OS X, it could conceivably be having an impact on the Apple Accessibility APIs. (2) The Java Access Bridge is capable of supporting all assistive technologies that are implemented in Java, but most defined roles came from the earlier Microsoft work on MSAA and IAccessible. The a11y accessibility working group has moved beyond that with IAccessible2, ATK/GAIL and AT-SPI efforts. And of course Microsoft is doing its own thing for Windows, replacing the MSAA/IAccessible with UI Automation. Both the Accessibility wiki and the Java wiki documentation can use more work. Stuart -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:42 PM To: Alexander Thurgood; Dushan Mitrovich Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer bug?(bugzilla-link inside) Hi :) There is a guide to help fix Accessibility issues on Windows by fixing the Java Accessibility Bridge. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java Does Mac also depend on Java for these accessibility tools? I've got a feeling that the JAB is just for screen-readers? Also the page doesn't help 100% of the time but i think it's not far off. Suggestions or expanding it to other platforms would be great :) Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 10/10/12, Dushan Mitrovich dush...@spinn.net wrote: From: Dushan Mitrovich dush...@spinn.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can someone on OS X verify a writer bug? (bugzilla-link inside) To: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 10 October, 2012, 20:00 snip Alex, thank you for this info - it finally tells me where to look. In Mac OS X.6.8, Accessibility Tools is called Universal Access, and yes, I do have that turned on, for two reasons: to be able to magnify an area of the screen on occasion, and to run Zooom 2, which provides focus-follows-mouse. Both of these, and especially the latter, are very useful, so I'll wait for LO version 3.6.3 to see if that solves the crashing problem. Thanks for pointing me out of limbo. - Dushan snip -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
