Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[Eric Kinsella]

>From a cursory look Pateron takes 5% and accepts PayPal. It’s more of a
ongoing thing like public radio. As low as $1 a month.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:17 AM, MG  wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> thank you for the suggestion. Do you know how much money they take for
> their service and if they accept Paypal (I just thought about this, and not
> accepting Paypal is imho close to a knockout, to keep the entry barrier as
> low as possible; that would exclude Kickstarter according to their FAQ, but
> here one could probably assume that many potential Groovy backers would
> already have an account...).
>
> Do they support specific funding foals also (which typically attract more
> funding), or is a subscription only model ?
>
> Cheers,
> mg
>
>
>
> On 18.02.2018 14:15, Eric Kinsella wrote:
>
> I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are using
> Patreon. A possible alternative to something like KickStarter/Indiegogo
> with more of a subscription model which could even be $1/month.
>
> https://www.patreon.com
>
> What is Patreon? - video
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1=rwvUjAv6pxg
>
> Cheers,
> Eric Kinsella
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG  wrote:
>
>> That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank you"
>> mug o.s.  :-)
>>
>>
>> On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
>>
>> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as simple
>> as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I would love
>> that too.
>>
>> Mario
>>
>> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" 
>> escribió:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>>>
 Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy
 is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.

>>>
>>> I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might be
>>> wrong here.
>>>
>>> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
 done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
 market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
 (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
 one-off investment interest.

>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> bye Jochen
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[Mario Garcia]

Yes MG, that's right, it wouldn't be like a crowd funding, but a one-on-one
relationship. I guess this solution would work only if there is like a
Groovy foundation managing the tasks/money.

Mario

2018-02-22 0:00 GMT+01:00 MG :

> Hi Mario,
>
> thank you for the input. If I interpret the information on the webpage
> correctly, the system works for one-on-one funding of tasks between e.g. a
> developer and a stakeholder for specific tasks of a project. I don't know
> if this would work in the case of Groovy, because here we would probably
> have a larger number of  people giving smaller amounts to fund a
> development goal together...
>
> Cheers,
> mg
>
>
>
> On 21.02.2018 15:50, Mario Garcia wrote:
>
> I thought this could be worth sharing.
>
> The company I work for developed some time ago, Tribe (
> https://tribe.taiga.io/)
>
> Tribe is a task-based employment marketplace for product development. It
> was created with software development in mind. The tasks can be managed
> through the open sourced Taiga management platform (https://taiga.io/).
> So tasks could be managed in the context of a project.
>
> More details about Tribe (how it works, payments...) :
>
> https://tribe.taiga.io/help/how-it-works
>
> I hope this helps
> Mario
>
> 2018-02-18 17:17 GMT+01:00 MG :
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> thank you for the suggestion. Do you know how much money they take for
>> their service and if they accept Paypal (I just thought about this, and not
>> accepting Paypal is imho close to a knockout, to keep the entry barrier as
>> low as possible; that would exclude Kickstarter according to their FAQ, but
>> here one could probably assume that many potential Groovy backers would
>> already have an account...).
>>
>> Do they support specific funding foals also (which typically attract more
>> funding), or is a subscription only model ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> mg
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18.02.2018 14:15, Eric Kinsella wrote:
>>
>> I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are using
>> Patreon. A possible alternative to something like KickStarter/Indiegogo
>> with more of a subscription model which could even be $1/month.
>>
>> https://www.patreon.com
>>
>> What is Patreon? - video
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1=rwvUjAv6pxg
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Eric Kinsella
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG  wrote:
>>
>>> That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank you"
>>> mug o.s.  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as
>>> simple as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I would
>>> love that too.
>>>
>>> Mario
>>>
>>> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" 
>>> escribió:
>>>


 Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:

> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy
> is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
>

 I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might
 be wrong here.

 I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
> done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
> market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
> (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
> one-off investment interest.
>

 +1

 bye Jochen

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[Alessio Stalla]

There is also BountySource https://www.bountysource.com/
I would love to see Groovy there!

On 22 February 2018 at 00:00, MG  wrote:

> Hi Mario,
>
> thank you for the input. If I interpret the information on the webpage
> correctly, the system works for one-on-one funding of tasks between e.g. a
> developer and a stakeholder for specific tasks of a project. I don't know
> if this would work in the case of Groovy, because here we would probably
> have a larger number of  people giving smaller amounts to fund a
> development goal together...
>
> Cheers,
> mg
>
>
>
> On 21.02.2018 15:50, Mario Garcia wrote:
>
> I thought this could be worth sharing.
>
> The company I work for developed some time ago, Tribe (
> https://tribe.taiga.io/)
>
> Tribe is a task-based employment marketplace for product development. It
> was created with software development in mind. The tasks can be managed
> through the open sourced Taiga management platform (https://taiga.io/).
> So tasks could be managed in the context of a project.
>
> More details about Tribe (how it works, payments...) :
>
> https://tribe.taiga.io/help/how-it-works
>
> I hope this helps
> Mario
>
> 2018-02-18 17:17 GMT+01:00 MG :
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> thank you for the suggestion. Do you know how much money they take for
>> their service and if they accept Paypal (I just thought about this, and not
>> accepting Paypal is imho close to a knockout, to keep the entry barrier as
>> low as possible; that would exclude Kickstarter according to their FAQ, but
>> here one could probably assume that many potential Groovy backers would
>> already have an account...).
>>
>> Do they support specific funding foals also (which typically attract more
>> funding), or is a subscription only model ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> mg
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18.02.2018 14:15, Eric Kinsella wrote:
>>
>> I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are using
>> Patreon. A possible alternative to something like KickStarter/Indiegogo
>> with more of a subscription model which could even be $1/month.
>>
>> https://www.patreon.com
>>
>> What is Patreon? - video
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1=rwvUjAv6pxg
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Eric Kinsella
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG  wrote:
>>
>>> That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank you"
>>> mug o.s.  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as
>>> simple as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I would
>>> love that too.
>>>
>>> Mario
>>>
>>> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" 
>>> escribió:
>>>


 Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:

> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy
> is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
>

 I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might
 be wrong here.

 I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
> done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
> market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
> (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
> one-off investment interest.
>

 +1

 bye Jochen

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[MG]

Hi Mario,

thank you for the input. If I interpret the information on the webpage 
correctly, the system works for one-on-one funding of tasks between e.g. 
a developer and a stakeholder for specific tasks of a project. I don't 
know if this would work in the case of Groovy, because here we would 
probably have a larger number of  people giving smaller amounts to fund 
a development goal together...


Cheers,
mg


On 21.02.2018 15:50, Mario Garcia wrote:

Ithought this could be worth sharing.

The company I work for developed some time ago, Tribe 
(https://tribe.taiga.io/)


Tribe is a task-based employment marketplace for product development. 
It was created with software development in mind. The tasks can be 
managed through the open sourced Taiga management platform 
(https://taiga.io/). So tasks could be managed in the context of a 
project.


More details about Tribe (how it works, payments...) :

https://tribe.taiga.io/help/how-it-works

I hope this helps
Mario

2018-02-18 17:17 GMT+01:00 MG >:


Hi Eric,

thank you for the suggestion. Do you know how much money they take
for their service and if they accept Paypal (I just thought about
this, and not accepting Paypal is imho close to a knockout, to
keep the entry barrier as low as possible; that would exclude
Kickstarter according to their FAQ, but here one could probably
assume that many potential Groovy backers would already have an
account...).

Do they support specific funding foals also (which typically
attract more funding), or is a subscription only model ?

Cheers,
mg



On 18.02.2018 14:15, Eric Kinsella wrote:

I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are
using Patreon. A possible alternative to something like
KickStarter/Indiegogo with more of a subscription model which
could even be $1/month.

https://www.patreon.com

What is Patreon? - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1=rwvUjAv6pxg


Cheers,
Eric Kinsella


On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG > wrote:

That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy
"thank you" mug o.s.  :-)


On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:

+1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also
something as simple as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt,
sticker or a mug. I would love that too.

Mario

El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou"
> escribió:



Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:

Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think
the standard policy is that it isn't then directed
back to a specific project.


I actually am of the impression that this is the only
policy... might be wrong here.

I think in general we would be in favor of doing
this so long as it was done well - and most of us
wonder whether we have the time to market/advertise
it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined
goal (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly
helps to attract some one-off investment interest.


+1

bye Jochen

Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[Mario Garcia]

I thought this could be worth sharing.

The company I work for developed some time ago, Tribe (
https://tribe.taiga.io/)

Tribe is a task-based employment marketplace for product development. It
was created with software development in mind. The tasks can be managed
through the open sourced Taiga management platform (https://taiga.io/). So
tasks could be managed in the context of a project.

More details about Tribe (how it works, payments...) :

https://tribe.taiga.io/help/how-it-works

I hope this helps
Mario

2018-02-18 17:17 GMT+01:00 MG :

> Hi Eric,
>
> thank you for the suggestion. Do you know how much money they take for
> their service and if they accept Paypal (I just thought about this, and not
> accepting Paypal is imho close to a knockout, to keep the entry barrier as
> low as possible; that would exclude Kickstarter according to their FAQ, but
> here one could probably assume that many potential Groovy backers would
> already have an account...).
>
> Do they support specific funding foals also (which typically attract more
> funding), or is a subscription only model ?
>
> Cheers,
> mg
>
>
>
> On 18.02.2018 14:15, Eric Kinsella wrote:
>
> I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are using
> Patreon. A possible alternative to something like KickStarter/Indiegogo
> with more of a subscription model which could even be $1/month.
>
> https://www.patreon.com
>
> What is Patreon? - video
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1=rwvUjAv6pxg
>
> Cheers,
> Eric Kinsella
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG  wrote:
>
>> That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank you"
>> mug o.s.  :-)
>>
>>
>> On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
>>
>> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as simple
>> as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I would love
>> that too.
>>
>> Mario
>>
>> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" 
>> escribió:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>>>
 Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy
 is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.

>>>
>>> I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might be
>>> wrong here.
>>>
>>> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
 done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
 market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
 (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
 one-off investment interest.

>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> bye Jochen
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[MG]

Hi Eric,

thank you for the suggestion. Do you know how much money they take for 
their service and if they accept Paypal (I just thought about this, and 
not accepting Paypal is imho close to a knockout, to keep the entry 
barrier as low as possible; that would exclude Kickstarter according to 
their FAQ, but here one could probably assume that many potential Groovy 
backers would already have an account...).


Do they support specific funding foals also (which typically attract 
more funding), or is a subscription only model ?


Cheers,
mg


On 18.02.2018 14:15, Eric Kinsella wrote:
I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are using 
Patreon. A possible alternative to something like 
KickStarter/Indiegogo with more of a subscription model which could 
even be $1/month.


https://www.patreon.com

What is Patreon? - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1=rwvUjAv6pxg

Cheers,
Eric Kinsella


On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG > wrote:


That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank
you" mug o.s.  :-)


On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:

+1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something
as simple as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a
mug. I would love that too.

Mario

El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou"
> escribió:



Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:

Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the
standard policy is that it isn't then directed back to a
specific project.


I actually am of the impression that this is the only
policy... might be wrong here.

I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so
long as it was done well - and most of us wonder whether
we have the time to market/advertise it well. I also
suspect that having a well-defined goal (like what JUnit
5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
one-off investment interest.


+1

bye Jochen

Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[Eric Kinsella]

I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are using Patreon.
A possible alternative to something like KickStarter/Indiegogo with more of
a subscription model which could even be $1/month.

https://www.patreon.com

What is Patreon? - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1=rwvUjAv6pxg

Cheers,
Eric Kinsella


On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG  wrote:

> That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank you" mug
> o.s.  :-)
>
>
> On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
>
> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as simple
> as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I would love
> that too.
>
> Mario
>
> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" 
> escribió:
>
>>
>>
>> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>>
>>> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy
>>> is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
>>>
>>
>> I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might be
>> wrong here.
>>
>> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
>>> done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
>>> market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
>>> (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
>>> one-off investment interest.
>>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> bye Jochen
>>
>
>

Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[MG]

That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank you" 
mug o.s.  :-)


On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
+1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as 
simple as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I 
would love that too.


Mario

El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" > escribió:




Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:

Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the
standard policy is that it isn't then directed back to a
specific project.


I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy...
might be wrong here.

I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long
as it was done well - and most of us wonder whether we have
the time to market/advertise it well. I also suspect that
having a well-defined goal (like what JUnit 5 did to some
degree) greatly helps to attract some one-off investment interest.


+1

bye Jochen

Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[MG]

Positively surprised by the responses so far :-)

I agree that one or more concrete goals would be easiest to entice 
people to fund some development. Batching together multiple goals might 
have its merits, since it would allow goals with less support to also be 
funded over time.


I hve to date only funded projects (on Kickstarter 
(https://www.kickstarter.com) and Indiegogo (https://www.indiegogo.com)).
Does anyone have any experience with funding software projects on these 
or better suited platforms ?
Having the platform take less of the money would be an obvious goal, 
which could be achievd by creating a Paypal address which people can 
donate money to - but that has never the same pull as multiple people 
trying to achieve a common funding goal within a set time period...


How to reach people is another important question: This mailing ist has 
about 450 subscribers, which, given that Groovy is the #2 JVM language, 
is a small number. Question is how many could be reached through other 
channels (Twitter ? Slack ? Classic media ?...) ?


With regards to "who should get how much": Right now I would have a good 
feeling that the small number of main contributors will find a way to 
agree to a key between them, especially considering that it seems it is 
mostly one or maybe two person(s) working on a particular topic. I woud 
feel that at least some money should always go into supporting the less 
sexy Groovy tasks, such as continuing to stay compatible with Java, 
fixing bugs etc.


Cheers,
mg


On 16.02.2018 11:49, Jochen Theodorou wrote:



Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard 
policy is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.


I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might 
be wrong here.


I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it 
was done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to 
market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined 
goal (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract 
some one-off investment interest.


+1

bye Jochen

Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[Mario Garcia]

+1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as simple
as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I would love
that too.

Mario

El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" 
escribió:

>
>
> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>
>> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy is
>> that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
>>
>
> I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might be
> wrong here.
>
> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
>> done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
>> market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
>> (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
>> one-off investment interest.
>>
>
> +1
>
> bye Jochen
>

Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[Jochen Theodorou]

Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy 
is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.


I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might be 
wrong here.


I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was 
done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to 
market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal 
(like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some 
one-off investment interest.


+1

bye Jochen

Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[Paul King]

Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy is
that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.

I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
(like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
one-off investment interest.

Cheers, Paul.

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Jochen Theodorou 
wrote:

> On 14.02.2018 22:58, MG wrote:
>
>> I have asked this before but have not received any reply, so with regards
>> to Groovy Champions: What are thoughts on crowd funding (at least) some
>> part of Groovy development ?
>>
>> Giving someone honors is good, but giving someone money is also nice. It
>> would not necessarily mean that it is actual payment as such, but could
>> also be a thank you that would e.g. allow a major contributor to take his
>> significant other out for a nice dinner.
>>
>> Is this frowned upon (or even forbidden) by the Apache foundation ? Does
>> someone of the main devs not like the idea ?
>>
>
> It is not frowned upon or forbidden by Apache, as long as it does not
> involve Apache directly. For example you won't be able to give money to
> Apache and Apache gives the money to the guys to be paid. We can set
> something like this up through other means. The problem is the modalities.
> Who gets how much? In the past we did get some small money here and there
> for different things, which usually have been used to finance developer
> meetings and such. Maybe a "prize money" for a specific issue would be an
> option.
>
> bye Jochen
>

Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[Jochen Theodorou]

On 14.02.2018 22:58, MG wrote:
I have asked this before but have not received any reply, so with 
regards to Groovy Champions: What are thoughts on crowd funding (at 
least) some part of Groovy development ?


Giving someone honors is good, but giving someone money is also nice. It 
would not necessarily mean that it is actual payment as such, but could 
also be a thank you that would e.g. allow a major contributor to take 
his significant other out for a nice dinner.


Is this frowned upon (or even forbidden) by the Apache foundation ? Does 
someone of the main devs not like the idea ?


It is not frowned upon or forbidden by Apache, as long as it does not 
involve Apache directly. For example you won't be able to give money to 
Apache and Apache gives the money to the guys to be paid. We can set 
something like this up through other means. The problem is the 
modalities. Who gets how much? In the past we did get some small money 
here and there for different things, which usually have been used to 
finance developer meetings and such. Maybe a "prize money" for a 
specific issue would be an option.


bye Jochen

@Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?

[MG]

I have asked this before but have not received any reply, so with 
regards to Groovy Champions: What are thoughts on crowd funding (at 
least) some part of Groovy development ?


Giving someone honors is good, but giving someone money is also nice. It 
would not necessarily mean that it is actual payment as such, but could 
also be a thank you that would e.g. allow a major contributor to take 
his significant other out for a nice dinner.


Is this frowned upon (or even forbidden) by the Apache foundation ? Does 
someone of the main devs not like the idea ?

mg