Re: [389-users] Problems to access Directory Server from remote console with 389-console

2011-03-21 Thread Gerrard Geldenhuis
Hi Daniel, I would suggest looking at your logs as a start and telling us if you see any error messages. But even before that the console can be started in debug mode, the specific flag escapes me now but if you start the console in debug mode it will most likely tell you what the problem is

Re: qemu update for fc13 broken?

2011-03-21 Thread Bill Davidsen
compdoc wrote: Keyboard works, mouse doesn't. Does that give you any clues? I'm using qemu-kvm 0.14.0, and I have to run the command like this or neither the mouse or keyboard works: qemu-kvm -m 512 -hda svr.img -soundhw ac97 -k en-us -usbdevice tablet Have not previously used the tablet

Re: how to only allow tcp on dport 443 on the OUTPUT chain?

2011-03-21 Thread Bill Davidsen
JD wrote: On 03/19/2011 02:19 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: erikmccaskey64 wrote: it's a normal desktop machines iptables firewall: If i want to block udp on dport 80 on the output chain, then is this enough? i want to only allow tcp on it! iptables -P OUTPUT DROP iptables -A OUTPUT -o $PUBIF

Re: IPTABLES rule for separating users

2011-03-21 Thread Bill Davidsen
James McKenzie wrote: On 3/20/11 5:39 PM, Chris Kloiber wrote: On 03/05/2011 03:58 AM, erikmccaskey64 wrote: I have an OpenWrt 10.03 router [ IP: 192.168.1.1 ], and it has a DHCP server pool: 192.168.1.0/24 - clients are using it through wireless/wired connection. Ok! Here's the catch: I

Re: How to compile a soft same as the version realeased by fedora?

2011-03-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/20/2011 07:16 PM, JD wrote: On 03/20/2011 03:57 AM, GeeKer Wang wrote: So, there must be other reasons. My version gets a XLIB problem. When I run osgview cow.osg, the window is transparent. I must execute export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 before it becoms normal. However, it runs

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-21 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:29 AM, Adam Tong helpc...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, My fedora 12 detects my wifi card. But i'm unable to activate the device. When I try to do that I have the following error: Error for wireless request Set Mode (8B06) :    SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.

Re: Brasero to create video DVD?

2011-03-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 23:50 -0400, Alex wrote: Hi, I think this is going to be more complex than I have time to address. I'd appreciate any thoughts you might have so I can try it on my desktop, but for this one I'm working on now, I think I'll just uninstall for now and try brasero

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/21/2011 11:34 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: On 19/03/11 05:21, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/18/2011 10:15 PM, Chris Kloiber wrote: I may have to skip F15, which saddens me. Why? If Gnome 3 is in F 15, it's going to be in 16 as well. Just move to a different desktop, like XFCE. ... or a different

Re: How to compile a soft same as the version realeased by fedora?

2011-03-21 Thread Rex Dieter
GeeKer Wang wrote: Hi, guys I tried to compile OpenSceneGraph-2.8.3-3.fc14.rpm software, and got a low efficient and large version of it. But the version from fedora-repo works well. eg. my version with frame rate 10, while fedora-repo version with frame rate ~=40. I have tried

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-21 Thread Adam Tong
Thanks guys i'm gonna update my os first and i'll be back to you with more details if still does not work. Thanks again --- On Mon, 3/21/11, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: From: mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com Subject: Re: wifi troubleshooting To: Community support for

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread James McKenzie
On 3/21/11, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 03/21/2011 11:34 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: On 19/03/11 05:21, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/18/2011 10:15 PM, Chris Kloiber wrote: I may have to skip F15, which saddens me. Why? If Gnome 3 is in F 15, it's going to be in 16 as well. Just move

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Colin Paul Adams
James == James McKenzie jjmckenzi...@gmail.com writes: James Hopefully, Gnome3 will bring more folks into the light and James see Windows for the brokenness it is. Not something I hope for. Then we will get the full attention of the virus writers. -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire ()

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, James McKenzie wrote: I don't think that is the intent. I don't think this is the intent of the Gnome3 developers either. However, as Linux moves from a niche to prominenance we are going to pick up the ID10Ts that will click on a button just to see what happens and

Re: [389-users] Problems to access Directory Server from remote console with 389-console

2011-03-21 Thread Aaron Hagopian
Virtualbox networking can get a little goofy sometimes. You may want to try a bridged network adapter instead of the default NAT. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Daniel Gonzalez gonzale...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Guys, My name is Daniel Gonzalez and I am new to this mailing list, I hope to

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread James McKenzie
On 3/21/11, Colin Paul Adams co...@colina.demon.co.uk wrote: James == James McKenzie jjmckenzi...@gmail.com writes: James Hopefully, Gnome3 will bring more folks into the light and James see Windows for the brokenness it is. Not something I hope for. Then we will get the full

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, James McKenzie jjmckenzi...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/21/11, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 03/21/2011 11:34 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: I can see the logic in that, but it's a shame.  If everyone who wants a bit of user interface stability jumps ship

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/21/2011 04:15 PM, James McKenzie wrote: On 3/21/11, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 03/21/2011 11:34 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: I can see the logic in that, but it's a shame. If everyone who wants a bit of user interface stability jumps ship there will be no brakes on the

Re: Yum crashed

2011-03-21 Thread stan
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:58:54 + Krosh Ivanov krosh.i...@gmail.com wrote: Output of commands: http://paste.ideaslabs.com/show/Gz39dMdbOs. Well, it doesn't matter the way I use yum, the error is the same. I think I've changed nothing related to yum configuration or to something important to

Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread stan
Hi, Just thought I would make an observation about the direction of Fedora after reading some of the comments in the OT morons thread, that has morphed into grumbling about Gnome 3. I was looking at the list archives http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/ for another reason and I

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de said: * Try to open 2 side-by-side terminals on Fedora 15's Gnome 3: I haven't managed to do so, yet. Really? I played around with gnome-shell on a couple of the graphics test days and was not impressed, but I haven't had a chance to look at

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:43:42 -0700 Alan Evans wrote: I'm also reminded of this closer-to-home classic: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-May/372990.html Yea, that thread was one of the inspirations for this rant:

Re: System policy to shutdown as normal user?

2011-03-21 Thread Alex
Hi, Not SELinux, but policy kit. There used to be an easy to use gui to create custom policies, but that is no more available. You need to muck around with policy files by hand to achieve that these days. At least that is my understanding. Yes, that sounds like what I was thinking. It was a

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 08:34 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Perhaps a command line tool for enabling configuration: sudo IHerebySwear 'I am not now and have never been a Windows user.' I'd like to see the response to that be:' You lie; you used sudo. If you're a proper Linux user on your own box, you use

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote: And it begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora. No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question. Begging the question is a logical fallacy. Please stop using that term like an illiterate moron, even if it is common usage. Just because the

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread James McKenzie
On 3/21/11, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 03/21/2011 08:34 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Perhaps a command line tool for enabling configuration: sudo IHerebySwear 'I am not now and have never been a Windows user.' I'd like to see the response to that be:' You lie; you used sudo. If you're

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 11:28 AM, James McKenzie wrote: Either way, I prefer to give users sudo as it is restrictive and I know what they can/cannot do and how much damge I'll have to fix when they break things. My point is, if it's your box and you're the only user, you know the root password and

Re: IPTABLES rule for separating users

2011-03-21 Thread James McKenzie
On 3/20/11, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: James McKenzie wrote: If you want to stop sniffing of the unencrypted traffic, then IPTables IS NOT THE WAY TO GO. You should either remove the sniffer program or make it so that only users with root capabilities can run it (sudoers should

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Manuel Escudero
2011/3/21 James McKenzie jjmckenzi...@gmail.com On 3/21/11, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 03/21/2011 08:34 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Perhaps a command line tool for enabling configuration: sudo IHerebySwear 'I am not now and have never been a Windows user.' I'd like to see the

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread James McKenzie
On 3/21/11, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 03/21/2011 11:28 AM, James McKenzie wrote: Either way, I prefer to give users sudo as it is restrictive and I know what they can/cannot do and how much damge I'll have to fix when they break things. My point is, if it's your box and you're the only

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:40:27 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: My point is, if it's your box and you're the only user, you know the root password and there's no excuse for using sudo. Sure there is, if you have configured sudo for your user so it doesn't ask for a password. -- users mailing list

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:16 PM, stan gr...@q.com wrote: Just thought I would make an observation about the direction of Fedora after reading some of the comments in the OT morons thread, that has morphed into grumbling about Gnome 3. I was looking at the list archives

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread JB
Chris Adams cmadams at hiwaay.net writes: Once upon a time, Ralf Corsepius rc040203 at freenet.de said: * Try to open 2 side-by-side terminals on Fedora 15's Gnome 3: I haven't managed to do so, yet. ... I disliked the panel-on-top with gnome-shell; the first thing I always do under

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:04:36 -0500 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:16 PM, stan gr...@q.com wrote: Just thought I would make an observation about the direction of Fedora after reading some of the comments in the OT morons thread, that has morphed into grumbling

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 11:48 AM, James McKenzie wrote: If it's yours, enjoy. If it is not, as it is where I work, then I'm stuck with sudo. That's why I was so specific. When I first started doing tech support for an ISP, back in '96, we had telnet access to one server to make various database

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 11:51 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:40:27 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: My point is, if it's your box and you're the only user, you know the root password and there's no excuse for using sudo. Sure there is, if you have configured sudo for your user so it doesn't ask

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 12:10 PM, JB wrote: I am just wondering I we petitioned them to take care of a few problems ... I have a little list, They never will be missed. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Ranjan Maitra mai...@iastate.edu wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:04:36 -0500 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:16 PM, stan gr...@q.com wrote: Now, there can be many reasons for that: - the traffic has been split to more specific lists -

Re: System policy to shutdown as normal user?

2011-03-21 Thread suvayu ali
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Alex mysqlstud...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I can do that too; I was referring to System-Shut Down directly that doesn't work without prompting for root password. Ah! Now I understand clearly what you mean. Polkit is the way to go here. I have not tried to

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread suvayu ali
Hi, On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: My point is, if it's your box and you're the only user, you know the root password and there's no excuse for using sudo.  Using sudo under those circumstances is, IMAO one of the hallmarks of the luser. If I may ask, what is

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/21/2011 10:07 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: * Try to open 2 side-by-side terminals on Fedora 15's Gnome 3: I haven't managed to do so, yet. Right click - New window or control+shift+t if you are using GNOME Terminal https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Tour

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 12:54 PM, suvayu ali wrote: If I may ask, what is wrong with sudo? Specially when configured with PASSWD? If you have the root password, it's the wrong tool for the job. It's designed, AIUI, for people who *don't have* the root password to have *limited access* to specific root

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 10:16 -0700, stan wrote: Hi, Just thought I would make an observation about the direction of Fedora after reading some of the comments in the OT morons thread, that has morphed into grumbling about Gnome 3. I was looking at the list archives

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:19:21 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: In fact, in Fedora, you can't even set sudo up so that you can use it without using the *root password!* Sure you can: tom ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 01:53 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:19:21 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: In fact, in Fedora, you can't even set sudo up so that you can use it without using the *root password!* Sure you can: tom ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL To do that you have to modify the

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Vaclav Mocek
On 03/21/2011 06:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote: And it begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora. No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question. Begging the question is a logical fallacy. Please stop using that term like an illiterate moron, even if

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Jon Ingason
2011-03-21 22:06, Joe Zeff skrev: On 03/21/2011 01:53 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:19:21 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: In fact, in Fedora, you can't even set sudo up so that you can use it without using the *root password!* Sure you can: tom ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Richard Shaw
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 03/21/2011 12:36 PM, stan wrote: That is one interpretation of beg the question.  However, when I use a phrase, it means exactly what I want it to mean, no more and no less. Thank you Mr. Humpty Dumpty.  You do understand,

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:06:26 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: To do that you have to modify the sudo user's file. (don't remember the exact name) Don't you need root access (i.e. the password) to do that? Yea, I need the password once when I'm installing, and once when I'm modifying /etc/sudoers, then

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 02:25 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: Do you realize that when you treat someone the way you did that no one cares if your right? My right what? Don't you mean you're right? If so, you prove my point. Thank you. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Phil Meyer
On 03/21/2011 02:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/21/2011 12:54 PM, suvayu ali wrote: If I may ask, what is wrong with sudo? Specially when configured with PASSWD? If you have the root password, it's the wrong tool for the job. It's designed, AIUI, for people who *don't have* the root password to

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 21 March 2011 21:19:16 Vaclav Mocek wrote: On 03/21/2011 06:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote: And it begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora. No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question. Begging the question is a logical fallacy.

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 02:54 PM, Phil Meyer wrote: First of all, after nearly 30 years of UNIX and then Linux administration, I would not hire you into my group with a belief such as that. I should have been more clear. I was thinking in terms of your own computer, or one that you own. Two friends

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 03:04 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: It's just that Joe Zeff apparently has a bad day today. ;-) Or maybe he has something personal against Stan and uses a public list to pass on a couple of personal insults. Or, maybe, just maybe, I have a personal dislike for that particular

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread suvayu ali
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: If you have the root password, it's the wrong tool for the job.  It's designed, AIUI, for people who *don't have* the root password to have *limited access* to specific root commands.  It can also be used (as I described in a

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 04:23 PM, suvayu ali wrote: Whereas in a proper root shell aren't you prone to grave mistakes due to silly things like typos, forgot where I am in the directory tree like errors? First, I only use su - if and *only* if I have to, to avoid those embarrassing where was I?

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 22:04 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Monday 21 March 2011 21:19:16 Vaclav Mocek wrote: On 03/21/2011 06:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote: And it begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora. No it doesn't; it

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 21 March 2011 23:46, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 03/21/2011 04:23 PM, suvayu ali wrote: Whereas in a proper root shell aren't you prone to grave mistakes due to silly things like typos, forgot where I am in the directory tree like errors? First, I only use su - if and *only* if I

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 16:46 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: ... As I've been writing this, something interesting has occurred to me: by the time I stopped doing tech support for an ISP (Our call center was closed and the entire support crew was laid off.) I had been on the phones longer than

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote: begs the question of*why*  people might be deserting Fedora. No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question. I'd like to step in here, as a heavy user of en_GB and say that the original form is correct *and* in common usage. I accept that it may not have made it into

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread les
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 15:38 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/21/2011 03:04 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: It's just that Joe Zeff apparently has a bad day today. ;-) Or maybe he has something personal against Stan and uses a public list to pass on a couple of personal insults. Or, maybe, just

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 05:07 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: def. Hubris (World English Dictionary) TYVM, but I've been around long enough to know that I don't know everything. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 22 March 2011 00:07, Christopher A. Williams chriswfed...@cawllc.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 16:46 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: ... As I've been writing this, something interesting has occurred to me: by the time I stopped doing tech support for an ISP (Our call center was closed and the

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 05:16 PM, les wrote: I find it rather amusing that you choose a fictional character to quote in support of a barb, rather than the author who truly owns the words. But to each his own. Rex Stout might be pleased or offended, depending on how he identifies with his character. I

Add to list

2011-03-21 Thread Lawrence E Graves
Please reestablish me to the list. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread jdow
On 2011/03/21 11:40, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/21/2011 11:28 AM, James McKenzie wrote: Either way, I prefer to give users sudo as it is restrictive and I know what they can/cannot do and how much damge I'll have to fix when they break things. My point is, if it's your box and you're the only

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 05:28 PM, jdow wrote: No, Joe, you use sudo. That's one less character to type. Actually, I don't, because I've never set up sudo. I only use it when orking on my sister's Ubuntu box because that's the way Ubuntu works. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread jdow
Well, Joe, I don't know about Fedora 14 but I do know about earlier Fedoras and Scientific Linux 6 which I happen to have up on a virtual machine. All of them require the USER's password for sudo, not the root password. You should be able to test that yourself fairly easily. (I made that same

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread jdow
You generic not you specific. There have been times on Mint/Ubuntu I've simply used sudo su -l, done my work, and exited. For some things the command prompts work oh so much better. Mint is nice. I am not sure I like ubuntu or its community very much. They make this place look adult, which I

[WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-21 Thread Tom Horsley
From Right to Die: Whipple: They think it has a basis, but it hasn't. Wolfe: That begs the question. I'll try again. Why do they think it has a basis? Whipple: Because I was there. Because she and I - we were friends. Because she was white and I'm black.

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread jdow
On 2011/03/21 17:07, Christopher A. Williams wrote: On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 16:46 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: ... As I've been writing this, something interesting has occurred to me: by the time I stopped doing tech support for an ISP (Our call center was closed and the entire support crew was laid

Re: Add to list

2011-03-21 Thread g
On 03/22/2011 12:29 AM, Lawrence E Graves wrote: Please reestablish me to the list. what makes you think you where removed? -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Richard Shaw
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 03/21/2011 02:25 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: Do you realize that when you treat someone the way you did that no one cares if your right? My right what?  Don't you mean you're right?  If so, you prove my point.  Thank you. No,

Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-21 Thread Mike Chambers
Got a sort of OT question... In libreoffice using spreadsheet, I want to input a number in a cell and have it multiply by 16. I have tried =D3*16 and =sum(D3*16) and both get errors. Anyone have any ideas? Obviously may contact me offlist and not bug the list if know the answer. thanks ahead

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Claude Jones
On Monday, March 21, 2011, Jon Ingason wrote: Read the man page man sudo. And yes you need to be superuser (root) to change /etc/sudoers. You must do it with visudo, see man visudo. I read it and ignored it - the few times I've done it, I've edited sudoers with a text editor started from

Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-21 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
On 03/21/2011 09:26 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: Got a sort of OT question... In libreoffice using spreadsheet, I want to input a number in a cell and have it multiply by 16. I have tried =D3*16 and =sum(D3*16) and both get errors. Anyone have any ideas? Obviously may contact me offlist

Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-21 Thread Mike Chambers
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 21:43 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: On 03/21/2011 09:26 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: Got a sort of OT question... In libreoffice using spreadsheet, I want to input a number in a cell and have it multiply by 16. I have tried =D3*16 and =sum(D3*16) and both get

Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-21 Thread Mike Chambers
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 21:43 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: On 03/21/2011 09:26 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: Got a sort of OT question... In libreoffice using spreadsheet, I want to input a number in a cell and have it multiply by 16. I have tried =D3*16 and =sum(D3*16) and both get

Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-21 Thread jdow
On 2011/03/21 18:55, Mike Chambers wrote: On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 21:43 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: On 03/21/2011 09:26 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: Got a sort of OT question... In libreoffice using spreadsheet, I want to input a number in a cell and have it multiply by 16. I have tried

Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-21 Thread Mike Chambers
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 12:47 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: Not real clear on what you are trying to do. Basically what I am messing with, is the March Madness bracket office pool we have at work. I take the number of wins for a round (example, 5 wins) and want to be able to just input that

Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-21 Thread Darlene Wallach
Mike, On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Mike Chambers m...@miketc.net wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 12:47 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: Not real clear on what you are trying to do. Basically what I am messing with, is the March Madness bracket office pool we have at work.  I take the

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 05:42 PM, jdow wrote: All of them require the USER's password for sudo, not the root password. Of course they do; that's how sudo works. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Unknown
On 03/22/2011 06:36:32 AM, stan wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:19:33 -0700 Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote: And it begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora. No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question. It doesn't ask the question.

Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-21 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
Why not just enter the regular number in the columns, and just do the formula in the total column? Just enter the wins in Columns B thru G Then in H put the formula. H3 would have, with x1 thru x5 replaced with your numbers. =B3*x1+c3*x2+d3*x3+e3*x4+g3*x5 Otherwise, you could enter the number

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 05:49 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: Apparently Nero Wolfe is willing to make contact with the expression begs the question :-). If you read it carefully, you'll see that he's not misusing it; he's pointing out that whoever Whipple is referring to as they are assuming that it has a

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 09:33 AM, Unknown wrote: I havent deserted Fedora Neither have I, and I don't intend to. I may, however stop using Gnome. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 06:06 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Joe Zeffj...@zeff.us wrote: On 03/21/2011 02:25 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: Do you realize that when you treat someone the way you did that no one cares if your right? My right what? Don't you mean you're

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread suvayu ali
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of which, I am not exactly comfortable with why Fedora (or Ubuntu) allow any user to install updates using PackageKit without any root access (or sudo password). I feel that this is not really right from a security

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:41:55 -0500 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of which, I am not exactly comfortable with why Fedora (or Ubuntu) allow any user to install updates using PackageKit without any root

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/21/2011 06:18 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de said: * Try to open 2 side-by-side terminals on Fedora 15's Gnome 3: I haven't managed to do so, yet. Really? Yes, I am absolutely serious: I haven't found any possibility to open 2 (or more)

Re: Brasero to create video DVD?

2011-03-21 Thread Alex
Patrick, Yes, that's my favorite, but it's too complex for my father-in-law. I told him to stick with brasero, since that's what's included with fedora so should at least be functional for what it says it can do, and I'll try the other programs when/if I ever need them. Once again, you seem

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/21/2011 09:14 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/21/2011 10:07 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: * Try to open 2 side-by-side terminals on Fedora 15's Gnome 3: I haven't managed to do so, yet. Right click - New window or control+shift+t if you are using GNOME Terminal Doesn't work for me ...

Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons

2011-03-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/22/2011 12:14 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Doesn't work for me ... nothing happens Just wondering Now this thread has moved on to a general discussion on Gnome wouldn't it make some sense to start a new thread with a more meaningful subject? I think there were some interesting things

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-21 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Ranjan, On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra mai...@iastate.edu wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:41:55 -0500 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of which, I am not exactly comfortable with why