Re: Problem booting under F16

2011-12-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/27/2011 06:13 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Again, I'd suggest uninstalling the most recent kernel, and reinstalling it, in order to regenerate the initrd, and the grub menu item for it, afresh. More info, now that I've had the time to play with my laptop. First, the kernel in question is

Re: Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

2011-12-04 Thread Frank Murphy
On 04/12/11 04:42, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Protests about top-posting are usually accompanied by exhortations to trim quotes to what is relevant. poc +1, Similar to this -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote: Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in Fedora, while If you chose the 'Forced Fallback Mode' in 'System info' you will get something that resembles Gnome2 (Gnome3 with

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote: Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in Fedora, while If you chose the 'Forced Fallback Mode' in 'System info' you will get something that resembles Gnome2 (Gnome3 with

Re: K3B burning problem

2011-12-04 Thread John Pilkington
On 04/12/11 06:38, david walcroft wrote: On 12/04/2011 02:33 PM, Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:19 +1000, david walcroft wrote: I can not burn an ISO,there are no error messages,it recognizes a medium and completes it's md5sum and stops.It also cannot format and erase.This is on

Static interface-addresses and Firefox/Thunderbird off-line mode

2011-12-04 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
At work I have a system with static interface addresses. I.e. I have set the IP-numbers outside of NetworkManager, I even did not have NetworkManager installed (can not see any reason for that on a system that is stationary and have static IP_addresses). Since I upgraded this system from

Re: kernel upgrade bug?

2011-12-04 Thread Scott van Looy
On 3 Dec 2011, at 21:57, Scott Doty wrote: On 12/03/2011 12:14 PM, Scott van Looy wrote: On 3 Dec 2011, at 15:56, Scott Doty wrote: On 12/03/2011 04:30 AM, Scott van Looy wrote: Isn't there supposed to be an initramfs for 3.1.2-1? My system has: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15945815 Dec 1

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

2011-12-04 Thread Ian Malone
Ian Malone wrote: If you do lsmod |grep nouveau Do you still see the nouveau module? Does lsmod |grep nv Show the old nv module or nvidia? Ian Malone wrote: It looks like nouveau is still being loaded. If you can post the /etc/X11/xorg.org file and /var/log/Xorg.0.log that might help pin

Re: Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

2011-12-04 Thread Alan Cox
It seems tablets are mainly portrait and monitors are landscape, maybe this is why the devs put the icons down the side, gotta be some reason. There's room for both. I couldn't do blender, Inkscape, Scribus or Drupal on a tablet, touch screen or not. Most tablets orient either way, even

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 10:40 +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote: Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in Fedora, while If you chose the 'Forced Fallback Mode' in 'System

Re: Static interface-addresses and Firefox/Thunderbird off-line mode

2011-12-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/04/2011 05:52 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: At work I have a system with static interface addresses. I.e. I have set the IP-numbers outside of NetworkManager, I even did not have NetworkManager installed (can not see any reason for that on a system that is stationary and have static

Re: How to force recheck the network devices

2011-12-04 Thread Vishnupradeep
It is happening many times. Pls help. How can i solve this problem. Linux Blog: http://xtreme-linux.blogspot.com/ Fedora Blog: http://xtreme-fedora.blogspot.com/ My Blog: http://sharedonweb.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Vishnupradeep intermedia.vis...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Alan Cox
O Though, only if you are doing *BASIC* email. Just try something more complicated, and you'll soon find using a midget gadget just isn't going to cut the mustard. Scads of mail, threaded properly, etc. There just isn't the screen real estate, to start with. Then try writing a long email

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

2011-12-04 Thread Ian Malone
On 4 December 2011 11:22, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: 3. If at this point after rebooting nouveau is still starting then I'm really stumped. The log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be useful. You could also capture the dmesg information (the kernel messages) by doing: dmesg

Re: Hacking Xorg.conf

2011-12-04 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 03 December 2011 18:50:57 John Aldrich wrote: Ok, for some reason (probably because I'm using an old KVM switch) my Fedora 16 system is not detecting what monitor I have and is refusing to give me a usable resolution. I have a Dell E2210H wide-screen monitor and it's capable of

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 12/04/2011 03:34 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: Where does one find System info? I can't find it. Left click on your name in the upper right corner of the screen. Chose 'Systems Settings' Chose 'System Info' Chose 'Graphics' There you have a toggle for 'Forced Fallback Mode' To add things to the

Re: Static interface-addresses and Firefox/Thunderbird off-line mode

2011-12-04 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 12/04/2011 03:10 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: In Firefox go to about:config and set network.manage-offline-status to false In Thunderbird set toolkit.networkmanger.disable to true Nice! That sounds like the correct things to toggle, I'll test it at work tomorrow. Thanks! Lars -- Lars E.

Re: kernel upgrade bug?

2011-12-04 Thread Scott van Looy
On 4 Dec 2011, at 10:56, Scott van Looy wrote: snip Am perplexed and confused :) So I force removed bash and then reinstalled everything that dracut depends on and then reinstalled dracut and that seems to have fixed it. Fun Sunday morning for me :) Thanks for your help! Scott -- users

Re: How to force recheck the network devices

2011-12-04 Thread Mark LaPierre
On 12/04/2011 08:33 AM, Vishnupradeep wrote: It is happening many times. Pls help. How can i solve this problem. Linux Blog: http://xtreme-linux.blogspot.com/ Fedora Blog: http://xtreme-fedora.blogspot.com/ My Blog: http://sharedonweb.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:38 PM,

Where disappeared PAM?

2011-12-04 Thread Frantisek Hanzlik
Know anyone where are now website/maillists archives/sources of Linux PAM? Latest, several days old Fedora package pam-1.1.5-1.fc16.src.rpm shows URL http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/index.html but this server does not exist. Thanks, Franta Hanzlik -- users mailing list

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Mike Chambers
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 08:34 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 10:40 +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote: Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in Fedora,

Problems with F16 getting Ethernet Manual Mode

2011-12-04 Thread Aaron Gray
Hi, Installed F16 and TFTP is working correctly now which is nice:) Had problems with xinetd and tftpd on F14 and F15, had to use a work around directly calling tftpd deamon. Now I am having problems with my second ethernet controller as I am trying to set it up to be a gateway. Normal

Re: Problems with F16 getting Ethernet Manual Mode

2011-12-04 Thread Aaron Gray
On 4 December 2011 17:17, Aaron Gray aaronngray.li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Installed F16 and TFTP is working correctly now which is nice:) Had problems with xinetd and tftpd on F14 and F15, had to use a work around directly calling tftpd deamon. Now I am having problems with my second

F16 Gnome3 problems

2011-12-04 Thread JD
AT last I had the opportunity to fully upgrade f14 TO f16 via DVD. There were not problems reported during upgrade. Upon reboot (which took forever), I never got the gnome login screen. Screen remains blank (black). I believe it may have to do with my video card (old Radeon Mobility 9600). This

Re: Where disappeared PAM?

2011-12-04 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ Not sure if that is what you are looking for? On 4 Dec 2011 at 17:47, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: Date sent: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 17:47:42 +0100 From: Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz To: Fedora users

Re: Hacking Xorg.conf

2011-12-04 Thread Mike Chambers
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 18:50 -0500, John Aldrich wrote: Ok, for some reason (probably because I'm using an old KVM switch) my Fedora 16 system is not detecting what monitor I have and is refusing to give me a usable resolution. I have a Dell E2210H wide-screen monitor and it's capable of

Re: Gnome 3 screensaver

2011-12-04 Thread Mike Chambers
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 14:01 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Mike Chambers m...@miketc.net wrote: Anyone tell me what to install to get screensaver setup in gnome3? Specifically to use slide show and my own picture folder? GNOME 3 no longer includes

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 22:50, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: this is nonsense the percent does not matter since nearly everybody has a smartphone which is permanently online, but this does not mean that all these people are only using a smartphone or tab which will not happen

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.12.2011 19:19, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 22:50, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: this is nonsense the percent does not matter since nearly everybody has a smartphone which is permanently online, but this does not mean that all these people are only

Re: Where disappeared PAM?

2011-12-04 Thread Frantisek Hanzlik
Michael D. Setzer II napsal(a): ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ Not sure if that is what you are looking for? On 4 Dec 2011 at 17:47, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: Date sent:Sun, 04 Dec 2011 17:47:42 +0100 From: Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz To:

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 04 December 2011 19:59:38 Reindl Harald wrote: all this counts will not change the fact that workstations and powerusers will exist in 10 years as they do now and this is why it is wrong to design defaults only having smartphones and tabs in mind - ther are people which do much

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/04/2011 11:26 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Gnome3 provides a desktop for that vast majority of ignorant people who want a zero-slope learning curve between the smartphone, TV, computer, car and microwave oven. Friday night, I was talking with writer John DeChancie. He was interested in

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 15:59, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: what did you exactly not understand in the percent does not matter all this counts will not change the fact that workstations and powerusers will exist in 10 years as they do now The percentage DOES matter in terms of

Read-only errors trying to backup

2011-12-04 Thread jackson byers
4dec2011 I am getting major Read-only errors trying to backup my f14 system [on external USB partition sda8], which still seems to behave ok, to my 2nd scsi disk onto partition sdc7. I imagine this means the scsi sdc is going bad, but how to determine that vs a trashed system file? sdc7 write

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/04/2011 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: Rest assured, nobody will be taking your XFCE and KDE desktops from you, if you want to use them on a traditional PC. But IMHO it´s desirable to see Linux moving into these new grounds. Exactly. I have no objection to seeing Linux move into the

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.12.2011 21:05, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 15:59, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: what did you exactly not understand in the percent does not matter all this counts will not change the fact that workstations and powerusers will exist in 10 years as they

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 17:49, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: you do NOT WANT to understand me YES I DO. ;) but it is dumb to make a desktop DEFAULT which ignores real computers! I get your point, you´re complaining about Gnome3 being the default. I hear you, loud and clear, no

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/04/2011 01:42 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: I get your point, you´re complaining about Gnome3 being the default. I hear you, loud and clear, no need to shoot the messenger if you don´t like someone´s opinions. :) It looks to me as though he's not so much complaining about Gnome3 being the

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Tim
Craig White: Don't assume that input options remain static or aren't being improved upon continually. For example, Ice Cream Sandwich implements continuous speech processing including punctuation which represents a real option for many. It's the first thing that springs to mind, as an easy

Re: Static interface-addresses and Firefox/Thunderbird off-line mode

2011-12-04 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 10:52 +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: I even did not have NetworkManager installed (can not see any reason for that on a system that is stationary and have static IP_addresses). Other than, perhaps, it to automatically notice when you're plugged and unplugged from the

Re: Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

2011-12-04 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:35 +, Alan Cox wrote: It's also getting closer to the point a microprojector will fit into phone or tablet - now that will have fun opportunities ! I've seen one stuck into a video camera, so that you can watch what you shot without having to figure out how the hell

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Alan Cox
[1]Jerry Pournelle, who (along with Larry Niven) predicted pocket computers in *The Mote In God's Eye,* and *The Gripping Hand,* is thrilled to see his prediction come true so soon. In 1974... the handheld calculator already being with us in 1967 and Moores law already stated. Star Trek was

Re: Problem booting under F16

2011-12-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/27/2011 06:13 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Again, I'd suggest uninstalling the most recent kernel, and reinstalling it, in order to regenerate the initrd, and the grub menu item for it, afresh. I used yumex to do a full update on my laptop, having it remove the most recent kernel as well.

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 04 December 2011 12:21:44 Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/04/2011 11:26 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Gnome3 provides a desktop for that vast majority of ignorant people who want a zero-slope learning curve between the smartphone, TV, computer, car and microwave oven. Anything worth using

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Bill Davidsen
Alan Cox wrote: I've been playing with 3.2 a bit today an F16. [...snip...] I still think the biggest mistake was calling it Gnome. It's something quite different and they'd have upset a lot less people if they'd not tried to pretend it was the same experience as Gnome. That has to

Re: K3B burning problem

2011-12-04 Thread david walcroft
On 12/04/2011 07:43 PM, John Pilkington wrote: On 04/12/11 06:38, david walcroft wrote: On 12/04/2011 02:33 PM, Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:19 +1000, david walcroft wrote: I can not burn an ISO,there are no error messages,it recognizes a medium and completes it's md5sum and

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 21:34 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:37 -0800, Scott Doty wrote: On 12/03/2011 05:31 AM, Craig White wrote: As for the hell you imply that I might be feeling - sure. It's hell to see what undoubtedly passes for adults in other

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/03/2011 02:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote: Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC style software. That will change. Do you really think that an accountant will ever want to fill out a spreadsheet on a tablet, even with a keyboard, if a desktop

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-04 Thread Misha Shnurapet
03.12.2011, 13:48, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com:  It's not that stuff has merely changed. It's that the stuff has changed,  major parts of existing functionality were removed without having any  functional replacements There is no arguing that the new GNOME 3 is a significant change.