R: F18 ti F19: can't create a Java virtual machine

2013-07-11 Thread antonio.montagn...@alice.it
Computer n.1 says alternatives --config java Ci sono 3 programmi che forniscono 'java'. SelezioneComando --- *+ 1 /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.7.0-openjdk/bin/java 2 /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.5.0-gcj/bin/java

Re: crypted partition

2013-07-11 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 12.07.2013, Patrick Dupre wrote: > How can I know what is the physical partition ? Try "lsblk". -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-11 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 12.07.2013, Joe Zeff wrote: > Yes, but is their experience recent enough to matter? If they tried to > upgrade using the earliest version of preupgrade, had problems and decided > never to try again, how relevant is that, especially when preupgrade's been > replaced with fedup? Unless you kn

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 11 July 2013, Chris Adams sent: > You keep talking about IPv6 security risks (over IPv4), but haven't > cited any. While I don't know of security risks of IPv6, itself, there is this: How is your firewall set up? When you allow something for IPv4, does it make a correspond

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Tim
Tim: >> If manufacturers and software programmers don't pull their fingers >> out, we'll be faced with even more ISPs subjecting their clients to >> NAT. Fernando Lozano: > Would this be so bad? Most people at work have been working using NAT > for years. NAT increases security. Most internet use

Re: Scala can't be installed in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Isaac Cortés González < w.isaac.cor...@gmail.com> wrote: > So I'm trying to install scala in Fedora 19; but I'm getting an error > message by yum: > > >Resolviendo dependencias > >--> Ejecutando prueba de transacción > >---> Paquete scala.noarch 0:2.9.2-2.fc19 debe

F18 ti F19: can't create a Java virtual machine

2013-07-11 Thread antonio montagnani
We made un update to a laptop, fedup worked very well but now user when starts arduino gets a message (we can see it in a terminal) that can't create a Java virtual machine. Same Arduino worked fine in F18 Any idea??? -- Antonio M Skype: amontag52 Linux Fedora F19(Schroedinger's cat) on Acer 5

Re: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/11/2013 08:41 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Tom Horsley said: On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 12:54:36 -0500 Rex Dieter wrote: Ditto. I've been meaning to write a packaging draft to the alternatives guidelines to enforce the idea that packages MUST own their 'alternatives' targets But

Re: Fedup from 17 -> 19 okay?

2013-07-11 Thread Robert Arkiletian
If anyone is interested, it worked fine. On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Can I skip 18 and upgrade from 17 to 19 with fedup? > Has anyone tried this with success or failure? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription opti

Re: services vs firewall

2013-07-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/12/13 12:03, Amadeus W.M. wrote: > Figured this one out too. Looks like by default cupsd was listening on > the localhost only (127.0.0.1). Changed that in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to OK So, the lesson to be learned is. Don't respond to your queries quickly. :-) :-) -- The only t

Re: services vs firewall

2013-07-11 Thread Amadeus W.M.
> 44) root:~> netstat -tupan | grep cups tcp0 0 127.0.0.1:631 > 0.0.0.0:* > LISTEN 1330/cupsd tcp6 0 0 ::1:631 :::* > LISTEN 1330/cupsd > Figured this one out too. Looks like by default cupsd was listening on the localhost only (127.0

Re: services vs firewall

2013-07-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/12/13 11:52, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/12/13 11:41, Amadeus W.M. wrote: >> 44) root:~> netstat -tupan | grep cups >> tcp0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* >> LISTEN 1330/cupsd > cupsd is listening only on 127.0.0.1 > This is the default From

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Edwardo Garcia
selective posting again? So you show by posting other peoples emails to this list? (no problem include him in CC so he is aware) and why selective post, why not post all the threads, that led to you being labelled troll, it is Riendl's way or no way, that is your train of thought, and how dare any

Re: crypted partition

2013-07-11 Thread Edward Martinez
On 7/11/2013 3:53 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: I have a luks partition which is mount at boot time: in /etc/fstab: /dev/mapper/luks-21e00840-01b6-4ba1-8ab2-d4cfe70430e8 /home How can I know what is the physical partition ? df gives: /dev/dm-16 /home blkid gives: /dev/mapper/luks-21e00840-01b6-4ba1

Re: services vs firewall

2013-07-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/12/13 11:41, Amadeus W.M. wrote: > 44) root:~> netstat -tupan | grep cups > tcp0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* > LISTEN 1330/cupsd cupsd is listening only on 127.0.0.1 -- The only thing worse than a poorly asked question is a cryptic answer. -

Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:11 PM, D. Hugh RedelmeierAnaconda's screens need to be more wordy to make things clearer > and less scary to the user. > Perhaps you can file a bug report? It appears in this thread, noone yet has done this Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.o

Re: services vs firewall

2013-07-11 Thread Amadeus W.M.
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:09:15 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/12/13 10:15, Amadeus W.M. wrote: >> So the service is enabled and the port isn't? What's the point of >> enabling services if it doesn't open the appropriate port? An nmap scan >> from another machine shows >> >> 111 tcp open 631 tcp cl

Re: services vs firewall

2013-07-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/12/13 10:15, Amadeus W.M. wrote: > So the service is enabled and the port isn't? What's the point of > enabling services if it doesn't open the appropriate port? An nmap scan > from another machine shows > > 111 tcp open > 631 tcp closed > 2049 tcp closed > > Could someone help me understan

Fedup 17->18 won't boot, all partitions are GPT

2013-07-11 Thread Rick Walker
Hi, I did a fedup from F17 to F18 on my work desktop. Now I get an infinite boot loop. Fdisk can't look at the partition table of /dev/sda because it has been coverted to GPT format (who did that?). As near as I can tell, the boot process fails after about 1 page of output near where "/" shou

Problem to install scala in fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Isaac Cortés González
So I'm trying to install scala in Fedora 19; but I'm getting an error message by yum *"Resolviendo dependencias --> Ejecutando prueba de transacción ---> Paquete scala.noarch 0:2.9.2-2.fc19 debe ser instalado --> Procesando dependencias: osgi(org.scala-ide.scala.library) para el paquete: scala-2.9

services vs firewall

2013-07-11 Thread Amadeus W.M.
I'm trying to configure nfs and printing for my local network. I got that working a few days ago, but now it seems lost. The firewall configuration I mean. Take nfs. I had the server configured on one of the machines with the proper open ports, and I was able to access the nfs shares from othe

Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-11 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
| From: Tom Horsley | How did you get past the screen that only lets you pick a whole disk | drive then, as the only possible option after that, click "Done"? | (Or, as I did the first time I saw it, push the reset button :-). | | No power on earth could get me to click "Done" under those circum

Re: [GW-C] Re: Resume problem

2013-07-11 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
| From: Tanguy Eric | Updating my dell gx520 to the latest available bios (A11) does not solve the | problem. For what it's worth, the GX50 is already listed in this quirks file: /usr/lib64/pm-utils/video-quirks/20-video-quirk-pm-dell.quirkdb Here's a not-totally-ancient GX520 ACPI report again

Re: Problems running emacs under Fedora-19

2013-07-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/12/13 09:01, Ed Greshko wrote: > [root@f18x ~]# rpm -q emacs > emacs-24.2-18.fc19.x86_64 > ^ > ^ Don't be confused by the hostname f18x. This system is at F19 via fedup. Just haven't changed the hostname and emacs works just fine

Re: Problems running emacs under Fedora-19

2013-07-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/12/13 08:35, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > When I attempt to run emacs it fails: > > $ emacs > emacs: error while loading shared libraries: libgnutls.so.26: > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > $ rpm -q emacs > emacs-24.2-19.fc18.x8

Re: grub2

2013-07-11 Thread goineasy9
Add this line to /etc/default/grub --> GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false Then do your grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg -Original Message- From: Patrick Dupre To: fedora Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 6:27 pm Subject: grub2 Hello, How can I say to grub2-mkconfig to not scan /dev/sda

Problems running emacs under Fedora-19

2013-07-11 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
When I attempt to run emacs it fails: $ emacs emacs: error while loading shared libraries: libgnutls.so.26: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory $ rpm -q emacs emacs-24.2-19.fc18.x86_64 It appears that emacs hasn't been updated to the F

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-11 Thread Isaac Cortés González
I support the idea, it should be done at least something like when Verne was released and Dennis Ritchie, not only the Fedora Community has lost a great developer; but also CentOS and RHEL. -Isaac C. 2013/7/11 Ranjan Maitra : > >> > Seth was well known and attended many Fedora events wor

RE: yum groups

2013-07-11 Thread Pittigher, Raymond - ES
>> >>> After a fedup to version 19 I no longer can add or remove groups. If >>> I try to remove a desktop or even do a group list I get this message: >>> >>> yum group list >>> Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit >>> There is no installed groups file. >>> Available environment groups: >>

Re: grub2

2013-07-11 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 11Jul2013 18:27, Patrick Dupre wrote: | How can I say to grub2-mkconfig to not scan /dev/sdax? This: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Invoking-grub_002dmkconfig suggests that you can't. Is it enough to edit the generated config after the fact? -- Cameron Simpson GET ON

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Edwardo Garcia
Weitse kicked him off the postfix list a few weeks ago, and that's a man with incredible patience and tolerance, and the roundcube people also moderated him a week ago, he is close to being moderated on dovecot list as well, and god knows how many other list This goes to show pattern he does not c

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-11 Thread Ranjan Maitra
> > Seth was well known and attended many Fedora events worldwide. He was > > very much respected by those who knew his work, and loved by those who > > knew him personally. I'm glad to see so many people unified in the > > feeling he'll be dearly missed. > > > > -- > > Paul W. Frields

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2013 01:27 PM, lee wrote: I have been assuming that people re-install because their experience is that upgrading is so troublesome that they figure that they're better off re-installing. Why would anyone go to the lengths of re-installing if there weren't very serious problems with upgr

crypted partition

2013-07-11 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, I have a luks partition which is mount at boot time: in /etc/fstab: /dev/mapper/luks-21e00840-01b6-4ba1-8ab2-d4cfe70430e8 /home How can I know what is the physical partition ? df gives: /dev/dm-16   /home blkid gives: /dev/mapper/luks-21e00840-01b6-4ba1-8ab2-d4cfe70430e8: UUID="85da123b-7

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2013 05:47 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.07.2013 14:11, schrieb Tim: >On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 09:34 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: >>It's ironic that you're using personal insults and borderline profane >>language in your condemnation of Harald. > >No, it's called reverse do unto others

Scala can't be installed in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Isaac Cortés González
So I'm trying to install scala in Fedora 19; but I'm getting an error message by yum: >Resolviendo dependencias >--> Ejecutando prueba de transacción >---> Paquete scala.noarch 0:2.9.2-2.fc19 debe ser instalado >--> Procesando dependencias: osgi(org.scala-ide.scala.library) para el >paquete: scal

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/10/2013 07:24 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: and on the other side i make a better job as syadmin and developer like a lot of people, native speakers or not, so what is your point here? that i should set my focus to a perfect english and political correctness instead technical facts? sorry, my d

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-11 Thread Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
It's a very, very sad news. No matter if he was a developer or what, this kind of facts always are sad. We hope he can reast in peace u_u 2013/7/11 Paul W. Frields > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:33:15AM +1000, Roger wrote: > > > > >It typically takes a few days for the family to sort things out >

Re: F19 grub error after update

2013-07-11 Thread Richard Vickery
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:35 AM, Zhang San wrote: >> I update my F19 box and reinstall grub with >> grub2-install --force /dev/sda3 >> grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg . >> Then reboot fails, with the error >> symbol 'gru

Re: F19 grub error after update

2013-07-11 Thread Richard Vickery
you might want to undo the grub2 commands and forget about reinstalling grub; what possessed to do this? On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:35 AM, Zhang San wrote: > I update my F19 box and reinstall grub with > grub2-install --force /dev/sda3 > grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg . > Then rebo

Re: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.07.2013 22:51, schrieb Tom Horsley: > On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 15:48:15 -0400 > Matthew Miller wrote: > >> The specific thing in multilib is that the files can overlap without being >> identical. In perfectly normal RPM, two packages can own an identical file >> as long as it is actually bit-fo

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.07.2013 15:02, schrieb David: > > > Paul Fields. > > After many, to many, days of this drivel would you please make this go away? after 36 hours some posts of me should be released to express my point of view and *that* is why i often response with "Reply All" because the current modera

Re: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.07.2013 21:26, schrieb Tom Horsley: > On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:09:26 -0500 > Chris Adams wrote: > >> Oh, one example is multilib (and I don't believe this behavior is >> multilib-specific): > > Oh but it is. Multilib is one gigantic undocumented screwup > that exists only because someone wa

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.07.2013 14:11, schrieb Tim: > On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 09:34 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: >> It's ironic that you're using personal insults and borderline profane >> language in your condemnation of Harald. > > No, it's called reverse do unto others. i.e. It's perfectly fine to > treat peopl

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Reindl Harald
thank you! the really sad is that most of ym own replies are still hanging in the moderation since nearly 24 hours and this shows *clearly* that the moderation does *not* work for two possible reasons: * they say "ah i do not like thos guy, delay it" * they are far away from computers - how can t

Re: Does anybody know what package this is in....?

2013-07-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.07.2013 22:43, schrieb Bill Oliver: > I just had the oddest thing happen to me. I performed a multipackage update > on F19. I don't remember what > packages, it was just one of those notifications of "You have 18 updates > pending" and I hit "Update." > > When I rebooted my box, my als

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.07.2013 15:39, schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Vaclav Mocek > wrote: > > Keep in mind that English is not native language of all of us and we may > sound rude even if we don't want to be. > > I think we all make allowan

Re: custom startup script

2013-07-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.07.2013 18:25, schrieb Jerome Yanga: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Jerome Yanga > wrote: > > Hi all! > > In the past, I would create custom startup scripts and create a link in > the /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/ directory. > > Is this still a good pr

grub2

2013-07-11 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, How can I say to grub2-mkconfig to not scan /dev/sdax? Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ                                 | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côt

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 04:42:02PM -0400, Paul Frields wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:02 AM, David wrote: > > > > > > Paul Fields. > > > > After many, to many, days of this drivel would you please make this go away? > > Yes. Let's please consider this thread closed. It's no longer serving >

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-11 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:33:15AM +1000, Roger wrote: > > >It typically takes a few days for the family to sort things out > >after an unexpected death. I expect when the family makes it known > >what they want, that information will be made available to our > >community. > > One of the primary

Re: OT: bash help

2013-07-11 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 07Jul2013 20:38, Ian Malone wrote: | On 7 July 2013 20:18, Mike Wright wrote: | >>> I'm trying to write a bash command to transcode some videos into audios | >>> but am having trouble with filenames that contain spaces. | >>> | >>> ls *flv | >>> | >>> returns this: | >>> | >>> Jorge Drexler -

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-11 Thread lee
Joe Zeff writes: > On 07/10/2013 03:06 PM, lee wrote: >> When upgrading Fedora the way it's recommended works so well, then how >> come that people are suggesting that it's better/easier to re-install or >> to use an alternative, untested method? >> > > There are always going to be people who pre

Re: SSD lifetime saving

2013-07-11 Thread lee
Mihamina Rakotomandimby writes: > Hi all, > > Just bought a Samsung 840 Pro SSD and would like to know how to save > its lifetime. > I made this partitionning: >Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 *2048409620472048 83 Linux > /dev/s

Re: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tom Horsley said: > Then why, in Fedora 18, did yum start giving fatal errors and > refuse to install packages that tried to create the same > directory? (Which is why I suspect there are a gazillion > rpms named "something-filesystem-something.rpm" that just > create directories

Fedup from 17 -> 19 okay?

2013-07-11 Thread Robert Arkiletian
Can I skip 18 and upgrade from 17 to 19 with fedup? Has anyone tried this with success or failure? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mai

Re: [389-users] problems with dsgw

2013-07-11 Thread Rich Megginson
On 07/11/2013 02:32 PM, Barton, Joseph B. wrote: Hi, I am just starting to work with 389 on centos 6.3 , and run into a bit of a snag on a test install of 389. Everything seems to work fine with the basic install. I am able to access the /usr/bin/389-console, run commands from a prompt, plus

Re: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 15:48:15 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > The specific thing in multilib is that the files can overlap without being > identical. In perfectly normal RPM, two packages can own an identical file > as long as it is actually bit-for-bit identical. (This is, of course, > fragile when

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2013 12:45 PM, staticsafe wrote: Some ISPs deploy something known as CGN (Carrier-Grade NAT) due the the IPv4 shortage, in which case if your "gateway" device at home is also doing NAT, you have double NAT. Gotcha. However, as my modem does NAT, I'm behind a double NAT. Maybe I'm ju

Re: yum groups

2013-07-11 Thread Frank McCormick
On 07/11/2013 12:21 PM, Joachim Backes wrote: On 07/11/2013 05:42 PM, Pittigher, Raymond - ES wrote: After a fedup to version 19 I no longer can add or remove groups. If I try to remove a desktop or even do a group list I get this message: yum group list Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-pa

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Paul Frields
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:02 AM, David wrote: > > > Paul Fields. > > After many, to many, days of this drivel would you please make this go away? Yes. Let's please consider this thread closed. It's no longer serving any useful purpose for offering assistance to Fedora users. The moderators have

Re: how to pxe boot using Fedora 19 live CDs

2013-07-11 Thread Jerome Yanga
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Jerome Yanga wrote: > I have tried many configs and have failed to pxe boot a live Fedora 19 cd. > I need help in the boot parameters. Here is my current one. > > LABEL fedora_x86_64_19 > MENU LABEL ^1) Fedora 19 x86_64 Live > MENU INDENT 1 > KERNEL knl/vmlinu

how to pxe boot using Fedora 19 live CDs

2013-07-11 Thread Jerome Yanga
I have tried many configs and have failed to pxe boot a live Fedora 19 cd. I need help in the boot parameters. Here is my current one. LABEL fedora_x86_64_19 MENU LABEL ^1) Fedora 19 x86_64 Live MENU INDENT 1 KERNEL knl/vmlinuz_fedora_19_x86_64_live_desktop APPEND initrd=img/initrd_fedora_19

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 07/11/2013 02:47 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > No, when both are available, IPv6 takes precedence (in general for > modern applications that don't override the precedence); this is spelled > out in several RFCs (can't recall the numbers). I think there is a > global way to override this (maybe /etc/

mounting USB/SD card devices (question rephrased)

2013-07-11 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Hi, I asked this question last night but did not get any response. Let me a bit clearer on what I am looking for. I have a minimal install and a F-19 LXDE spin install on two separate machines. I also have pcmanfm (along with whatever dependencies gets pulled in) in either places. When I plug in

Re: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:26:33PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > > Oh, one example is multilib (and I don't believe this behavior is > > multilib-specific): > Oh but it is. Multilib is one gigantic undocumented screwup The specific thing in multilib is that the files can overlap without being identi

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Richard Sewill said: > I tried ping and ping6 anyway. This is NOT on an idle network. Since ICMP and ICMPv6 are low-priority, the data is not very useful. Also, since latency is only one component of throughput (and most communications are not particularly sensitive to latency

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread staticsafe
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:36:10PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/11/2013 12:12 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > >I've seen people with double-NAT issues before, where "special" > >protocols like FTP or game console can't traverse the double-NAT. > > I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Are you referri

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread staticsafe
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 02:20:37PM -0500, Richard Sewill wrote: > I turned on IPv6 in my router. > > I am still getting 6to4 Tunnel from my ISP. > > Netflix is currently streaming so my network is not idle. > > I tried ping and ping6 anyway. This is NOT on an idle network. > > There remains a

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2013 12:12 PM, Chris Adams wrote: I've seen people with double-NAT issues before, where "special" protocols like FTP or game console can't traverse the double-NAT. I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Are you referring to having one router "behind" another, with both using NAT? I

Re: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2013 12:09 PM, Chris Adams wrote: You can also have shared files, when the contents, ownership, and permissions on the files match, and rpm will list all matches. I can't think of an example off the top of my head, but I know I've seen it in the past. Thank you. It's good to know tha

Re: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:09:26 -0500 Chris Adams wrote: > Oh, one example is multilib (and I don't believe this behavior is > multilib-specific): Oh but it is. Multilib is one gigantic undocumented screwup that exists only because someone wanted to avoid having to repackage everything in the univer

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Richard Sewill
I turned on IPv6 in my router. I am still getting 6to4 Tunnel from my ISP. Netflix is currently streaming so my network is not idle. I tried ping and ping6 anyway. This is NOT on an idle network. rsewill@localhost:~ <3:3> $ ping www.google.com PING www.google.com (74.125.227.146) 56(84) bytes

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Joe Zeff said: > On 07/11/2013 11:12 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > >Use the firewall, ditch the NAT. NAT does not increase security over a > >firewall. In some cases, NAT prevents a user from accessing the > >Internet, rather than the other way around. > > Can you give a practical

Re: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Joe Zeff said: > On 07/11/2013 11:41 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > >IMHO that would make things even easier to > >figure out; "rpm -qf /usr/bin/java" would list all the packages that can > >"claim" java. > > Would it, or would it just find the first one and stop? I'm asking > becaus

Re: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2013 11:41 AM, Chris Adams wrote: IMHO that would make things even easier to figure out; "rpm -qf /usr/bin/java" would list all the packages that can "claim" java. Would it, or would it just find the first one and stop? I'm asking because I don't know enough about how rpm handles suc

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2013 11:12 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Use the firewall, ditch the NAT. NAT does not increase security over a firewall. In some cases, NAT prevents a user from accessing the Internet, rather than the other way around. Can you give a practical example, please. I've no reason to disbelieve

Re: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tom Horsley said: > On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 12:54:36 -0500 > Rex Dieter wrote: > > Ditto. I've been meaning to write a packaging draft to the alternatives > > guidelines to enforce the idea that packages MUST own their 'alternatives' > > targets > > But how can multiple packages

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2013 10:51 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: And BTW Dai is the Welsh diminutive for David, so I'm afraid you lost me there. If you listen to the song, you'll hear that that's the way she pronounces it. It just seems so much more appropriate that way because using the conventional spel

Re: F19 github and passwords

2013-07-11 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:10:38 -0400 Stephen Gallagher wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/11/2013 02:07 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > > In a terminal I do git push https://my/repo master > > > > A OpenSSH popup keeps asking me for user and password. > > /usr/lib/~/gnom

Re: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 12:54:36 -0500 Rex Dieter wrote: > > $ rpm -qf `which java` > > file /usr/bin/java is not owned by any package > > > > to be very frustrating. > > Ditto. I've been meaning to write a packaging draft to the alternatives > guidelines to enforce the idea that packages MUST

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Fernando Lozano said: > If NAT prevents anyone from the internet to try to connect to my > computer, this is increased security. After all, don't we configure > firewalls exactly to prevent unwanted connections? Use the firewall, ditch the NAT. NAT does not increase security ov

Re: F19 github and passwords

2013-07-11 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/11/2013 02:07 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > In a terminal I do git push https://my/repo master > > A OpenSSH popup keeps asking me for user and password. > /usr/lib/~/gnome-ask-password > > How can I get it just to memorize my password, have added

F19 github and passwords

2013-07-11 Thread Frank Murphy
In a terminal I do git push https://my/repo master A OpenSSH popup keeps asking me for user and password. /usr/lib/~/gnome-ask-password How can I get it just to memorize my password, have added ssh key to github account. have added *github.com to ~/.ssh/config along with identityfile=id_mysshke

Better alternatives [Was: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19]

2013-07-11 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi, I think I will abandon whole update alternatives process and come with direct remove/add as this is not firs time when alternatives behaved .. as they do. But until now it was always catch in time. Please don't drop alternatives from OpenJDK. ;-) It's a really messy way to get the wanted r

Re: Fwd: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Rex Dieter
Matthew Miller wrote: > I always find > > $ rpm -qf `which java` > file /usr/bin/java is not owned by any package > > to be very frustrating. Ditto. I've been meaning to write a packaging draft to the alternatives guidelines to enforce the idea that packages MUST own their 'alternatives' t

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On 10 Jul 2013 21:13, "Joe Zeff" wrote: > > On 07/10/2013 01:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> >> >> And you're saying this is a *good* thing? You may not mind it >> personally, but please don't try to argue that it's other than a mistake. > > > No, which is why I made the comment about Henry H

Re: Fwd: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 02:14:20PM -0300, Fernando Lozano wrote: > >I think I will abandon whole update alternatives process and come > >with direct remove/add as this is not firs time when alternatives > >behaved .. as they do. But until now it was always catch in time. > Please don't drop altern

Re: Fwd: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2013 10:14 AM, Fernando Lozano wrote: But why is the bug marked as "CLOSED WORKSFORME"? I've always considered that as a copout by somebody who isn't interested in fixing what they consider an insignificant bug. More than once I've had somebody ask for more, very specific informati

Re: Fwd: OpenJDK packaging bug in Fedora 19

2013-07-11 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi Jiri, Luckily (or not? - because it passed update test) this do not happen always. And unluckily this was bugged after the f19 freeze - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=979128 I think I will abandon whole update alternatives process and come with direct remove/add as this is

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2013 08:50 AM, Thomas Dineen wrote: Second the motion to unsubscribe him! Which one? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wi

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2013 05:11 AM, Tim wrote: No, it's called reverse do unto others. i.e. It's perfectly fine to treat people in the same way that they treat you. And I reserve the right to be just as hypocritical as the next person, for I am not going to have rules applied to me that aren't applied to e

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-11 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 10 Jul 2013, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/10/2013 09:49 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: I've also received several bits of helpful advice from yourself, served up as one would expect from an Englishman(?). Overdone and served with mushy vegetables that have been cooked to death? Well, at least i

Re: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba

2013-07-11 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi Tony, RE: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba I've had experience with a Western Digital "MyBook Live DUO", and it does NOT support any type of network authentication. Users must be created and deleted on that device. Thanks. May good for home use, but not for my employee. Anyway a vendor

Re: Scanner recommendations needed

2013-07-11 Thread Paolo Galtieri
I've used both an HP m1522nf and an Epson Workforce 630 all in one printer/scanner/copier/fax with Fedora 14 and 16 with no issues using simple-scan. Paolo On 07/10/2013 03:52 AM, linuxnuts...@videotron.ca wrote: I've tried several scanners from fedora 12 through fedora 17. The latest effort

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi, Would this be so bad? Most people at work have been working using NAT for years. NAT increases security. Most internet users don't need to run servers. NAT does NOT increase security. NAT is a combination of a stateful firewall with a packet mangler; the security comes from the firewall, no

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Fernando Lozano said: > Would this be so bad? Most people at work have been working using > NAT for years. NAT increases security. Most internet users don't > need to run servers. NAT does NOT increase security. NAT is a combination of a stateful firewall with a packet mangler;

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-11 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi, On 07/10/2013 09:14 PM, ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: And while we work out IPv6 and improve it, all users should be vulnerable to current IPv6 problems? Are they supposed to be guinea pigs for ipv6 development? No, of course not. I never said that everybody should have IPv6 active. Wh

Re: AW: [Samba] About NAS versus Samba

2013-07-11 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi, what about the samba running on your NAS. I did a lot of NAS hacking pointing a running samba/winbind config of the vendor to my nt-style samba/ldap domain . But if you do so be aware you are loosing your support :-). So if you can change the samba on your NAS you are up and running. I don

Re: yum groups

2013-07-11 Thread Joachim Backes
On 07/11/2013 05:42 PM, Pittigher, Raymond - ES wrote: After a fedup to version 19 I no longer can add or remove groups. If I try to remove a desktop or even do a group list I get this message: yum group list Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit There is no installed groups file. Ava

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