[389-users] certificates

2013-07-13 Thread تدريبك - دورات -شبكات - حاسبات
Dear friends, This is Husam I hope that you accept me as a new friend in this list , I'm working on the 389 project I need help setting it , Anyone can help me here ! Many thanks in advanced , Sincerely , Husam -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: R: F18 to F19: shutdown doesn't work in LXDE

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/13/13 13:52, antonio wrote: poma ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 12/07/2013 23:03: On 12.07.2013 11:12, antonio.montagn...@alice.it wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=981738 here we are :-) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800658 poma

Re: How to remove nouveau driver without using rpmfusion ?

2013-07-13 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 13.07.2013, John Wendel wrote: Can someone please post the incantation necessary to remove the nouveau driver in Fedora 19. I'd really like to install the driver directly from Nvidia, instead of from rpmfusion. You have to recompile your kernel with nouveau switched it off in your kernel

Re: R: F18 to F19: shutdown doesn't work in LXDE

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/13/13 15:01, antonio wrote: Ed Greshko ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 13/07/2013 08:53: On 07/13/13 13:52, antonio wrote: poma ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 12/07/2013 23:03: On 12.07.2013 11:12, antonio.montagn...@alice.it wrote:

Re: Computer blocked because of error smpboot CPU2: Not responding

2013-07-13 Thread g
On 07/12/2013 04:02 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: This is why an incandescent lightbulb is much more likely to fail when you turn it on than at any other time. this is mainly caused by the 'inrush current when bulb first has voltage applied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current I've

Re: R: F18 to F19: shutdown doesn't work in LXDE

2013-07-13 Thread antonio montagnani
Ed Greshko ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 13/07/2013 09:03: On 07/13/13 15:01, antonio wrote: Ed Greshko ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 13/07/2013 08:53: On 07/13/13 13:52, antonio wrote: poma ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 12/07/2013 23:03:

Re: R: F18 to F19: shutdown doesn't work in LXDE

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/13/13 15:47, antonio montagnani wrote: Ed Greshko ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 13/07/2013 09:03: On 07/13/13 15:01, antonio wrote: Ed Greshko ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 13/07/2013 08:53: On 07/13/13 13:52, antonio wrote: poma ha scritto / said the

Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 July 2013 21:45, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: And there needs to be something like an option for extended partitioning that allows you to do whatever you want. Having the installer do it for you is a nice option to have and it's not enough. On install from live discs at least

Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-13 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12/07/2013 22:45, lee a écrit : D. Hugh Redelmeier h...@mimosa.com writes: You're probably screwed when you need LVM or software raid or encryption with the partitioning you need. Is there any way to get that? Can you install Fedora on

gnome

2013-07-13 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, How do I add an application launcher to the top panel (fedora 18/19)? For example from the application list. Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ                                 | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de

Re: F19 Chrony fails to start

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/13/13 18:33, Frank Murphy wrote: Cannot get chronyd.service to start after fedup F18 F19 I don't know what mdmonitor has to do with it, no raid on box. journalctl -xn -- Logs begin at Thu 2013-07-11 13:15:03 IST, end at Sat 2013-07-13 09:29:41 IST. -- Jul 13 09:29:41 my.upgraded.pc

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread David Beveridge
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Fernando Lozano ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: If people on the users list don't agree with me, there's no point submiting to developers. Well I for one certainly don't agree with you. If you disable it everywhere it's too much of a pain to turn it all back on

Re: Computer blocked because of error smpboot CPU2: Not responding

2013-07-13 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 01:57 -0500, g wrote: i have a dual lamp fixture in kitchen that has been on a dimmer control from back in late 80's. neither of the bulbs have burned out because the dimmer is a 'zero cross on' type and because the dimmer always starts out at minimal voltage, there is no

Re: Cannot login into home directory

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Edward Martinez edwar...@live.com wrote: When I login, I get the following problem: -- psmith: /home/psmith: change directory failed: Permission denied I have the following: drwx--. 191 psmith psmith 12288 Jul 12 23:13 psmith Any ideas?

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 08:54 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: The best practices have largely been agreed to (as much as any best practices ever are). IPv6 is as mature as it can get until a billion end-users get on it. Large ISPs around the world have rolled it out in production. Major OSes

Re: gnome

2013-07-13 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:51:52PM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: How do I add an application launcher to the top panel (fedora 18/19)? For example from the application list. I think you can do it using an extension Frippery Panel Favorites. I don't know if it works or how well but you can try:

SOLVED Re: F19 Chrony fails to start

2013-07-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 19:01:31 +0800 Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: To fix this problem create the file /etc/sysconfig/chronyd with the contents OPTIONS= -4 Sorted Thanks Ed, -- Regards, Frank When in doubt PANIC! I check for new mail app. 20min www.frankly3d.com -- users

Re: Cannot login into home directory

2013-07-13 Thread James Hogarth
I tried what you reccommended, restorecon /home Well as that is listed it would do nothing... It needs to be recrusive - ie restorecon -Rv /home In addition since it has not been clarified can you please confirm /home is on a) a local partition (ie not nfs or cifs) and b) the filesystem

Re: Cannot login into home directory

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:20 PM, James Hogarth james.hoga...@gmail.com wrote: I tried what you reccommended, restorecon /home Well as that is listed it would do nothing... It needs to be recrusive - ie restorecon -Rv /home In addition since it has not been clarified can you please

Correct permission for home directory

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All, I was playing with the permissions of /home /home/psmith because of the issue reported in previous posts. Could someone please tell me the commands to restore the correct permissions to those both directories? In previous posts, some people recommended chmod 755 /home But what

gnome applications

2013-07-13 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, In fedora18, when I go on application, I can see browse and run applications. I cannot get the same in fedora 19! Did I miss to install something? Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ                                 | | email:

Re: Cannot login with XFCE

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com wrote: Something strange is happening. I have just installed F19 XFCE, and copied my home directory from an external drive, but now I cannot login via the graphical login manager; I need to go to CNTRL + ALT + F2 to login and

Yum dependency problem

2013-07-13 Thread Timothy Murphy
I'm getting a yum dependency problem when running yum update and I'm not sure how to solve it. I'd be very grateful for advice. Some exerpts from the error messages are: --- Error: Package: perl-core-5.10.1-131.el6_4.x86_64 (@updates) Requires:

Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Klaus-Peter Schrage
Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Scanner plugin mismatch

2013-07-13 Thread Ian Chapman
Hi, Just checking if this is a bug and if there's a workaround. It happened in F18 too when a recent set of HPLIP updates came through, but I've since update the same box to F19 and I'm seeing the same problem. I have an HP multifunction printer with a builtin scanner which has always worked

Re: Scanner plugin mismatch

2013-07-13 Thread Ian Chapman
On 13/07/13 21:24, Ed Greshko wrote: The HPLIP stuff is at 3.13.6 but I'm not sure what it's telling me is at 3.13.3 but anyway it prevents the scanner from working. I believe you can simply run the hp-plugin utility to clear this up. Great - thanks Ed, that fixed it. -- Ian Chapman.

Can I remove plymouth?

2013-07-13 Thread Beartooth
I used to remove rhgb, in order to be able to watch the boot messages; but this new thing seems to handle other tasks in addition to hiding those messages. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Can I remove plymouth?

2013-07-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 13:43:37 +, Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net wrote: I used to remove rhgb, in order to be able to watch the boot messages; but this new thing seems to handle other tasks in addition to hiding those messages. You can modify the boot parameters in order to

Re: Can I remove plymouth?

2013-07-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:43:37 + (UTC) Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net wrote: I used to remove rhgb, in order to be able to watch the boot messages; but this new thing seems to handle other tasks in addition to hiding those messages. Just remove rhgb as you used to do. Also

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com writes: On 07/12/2013 09:11 PM, lee wrote: Another question: It is possible to have version 1 and version 2 of package A installed at the same time, like version 1 from Fedora 17 and version 2 from Fedora 18. Imagine this package A provides a file

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com writes: ALL!).And now for..fedup-cli --network 19...and I'll keep my fingers crossedbut what's the time frame?like an hour?2?...2+1/2? About an hour or two --- it depends on how fast you can download packages and on how fast

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com writes: Dear All, Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What are the main reasons? Besides all the reasons already mentioned: It can be much more manageable to adjust one or two things when upgrading from one release to the next than it

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org writes: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 09:57:04PM +0200, lee wrote: The upgrade from 17 to 18 silently broke apache because the configuration had changed. That is something that shouldn't happen, the devs know when there are changes like that and make sure

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Klaus-Peter Schrage kpschr...@gmx.de writes: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Like Schroedingers Cat? ;) There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: , | [...] | if [ x$feature_default_font_path = xy

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com writes: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 03:11:20 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Hi, imagine you have the following: package A, depends on C, installed package B, depends on C, not installed package C, installed All the packages are version 1. After a

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Fred Smith
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 04:39:32PM +0200, lee wrote: Klaus-Peter Schrage kpschr...@gmx.de writes: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Like Schroedingers Cat? ;) There's something about fonts in

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Steven Stern
On 07/13/2013 07:49 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Thanks I also find this annonying. Apparently the default font isn't unicode, but the OS name is coded that way.

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:20:49 -0500 Steven Stern wrote: I also find this annonying. Apparently the default font isn't unicode, but the OS name is coded that way. Just show how successful unicode support has been after all these decades :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: F19 nouveau corrupted graphics

2013-07-13 Thread Jon Dufresne
You could install the NVIDIA drivers instead of using nouveau. They're are at least ten times faster, so it makes sense anyway. I think I'll give this a try. Originally I wanted to use the free drivers, but if they will not work this seems like the most practical solution. -- users mailing

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of yum killed in bike accident

2013-07-13 Thread jmaclean
On 10/07/13 07:05, Dick Roark wrote: R ​ est in peace, Seth. ​ May he Rest In Peace and condolences for his family. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 03:34:18PM +0200, lee wrote: The package management tools in Debian send you emails about changes like that, even about very little changes, when packages are being replaced by more recent versions. Maybe this could be done in Fedora as well? You could try using

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, lee wrote: Besides all the reasons already mentioned: It can be much more manageable to adjust one or two things when upgrading from one release to the next than it may be having to suddenly adjust five or ten after skipping some releases. What are the main reasons not to

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 05:57:57PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: what he menat was showing the difference between present and new config file before updates and the option to merge them - not that the merge is useful in many cases but *that* is was Debian offers Oh, I see. There used to be a

gnome-shell issue when ThinkPad T60 connected to dock with extra monitor

2013-07-13 Thread Dave Johansen
I posted about this issue on the devel list and it was recommended that I try here. That conversation can be found at: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-July/185305.html Here's a description of the issue: I have a ThinkPad T60 that I recently upgraded to Fedora 19 from CentOS

Re: Can I remove plymouth?

2013-07-13 Thread Digimer
On 13/07/13 09:43, Beartooth wrote: I used to remove rhgb, in order to be able to watch the boot messages; but this new thing seems to handle other tasks in addition to hiding those messages. Hi, you should be able to set the default to show the boot messages with; sudo

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Doug
On 07/13/2013 10:39 AM, lee wrote: Klaus-Peter Schrage kpschr...@gmx.de writes: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Like Schroedingers Cat? ;) There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: /snip/

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:27:52 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Assuming that package A doesn't work with the more recent version of package C? Right, that was my assumption. If it does, then it would just update them all. ...snip... Yes, this situation was the result of an upgrade that

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Mark LaPierre
On 07/13/2013 02:13 PM, Doug wrote: On 07/13/2013 10:39 AM, lee wrote: Klaus-Peter Schrage kpschr...@gmx.de writes: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Like Schroedingers Cat? ;) There's something about

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:20:49 -0500 Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: On 07/13/2013 07:49 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Thanks I also find

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/13/2013 09:44 AM, lee wrote: Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com writes: ALL!).And now for..fedup-cli --network 19...and I'll keep my fingers crossedbut what's the time frame?like an hour?2?...2+1/2? About an hour or two --- it depends on how fast you can

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/13/2013 10:07 AM, lee wrote: Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com writes: On 07/12/2013 09:11 PM, lee wrote: Another question: It is possible to have version 1 and version 2 of package A installed at the same time, like version 1 from Fedora 17 and version 2 from Fedora 18.

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/13/2013 11:57 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, lee wrote: Besides all the reasons already mentioned: It can be much more manageable to adjust one or two things when upgrading from one release to the next than it may be having to suddenly adjust five or ten after skipping

Re: Correct permission for home directory

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 3:47 PM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: chmod 755 /home But what about /home/psmith It depends on what you want. There is some tradition that home directories are readable for everyone and writable for their owners only. It may be a good idea to make them

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Steven Stern
On 07/13/2013 02:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) FC I added this to the kernel line in grub.conf

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Edward Martinez
On 7/13/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) Once the fundamental Transhumanism technologies are fully operational. -- An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest. -Benjamin Franklin --

Long time to report a crash

2013-07-13 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
I have just reported a crash in Libre Office. The system took about an hour for it. Is this normal. I don't remember submitting crash reports taking so long. The bulk of the time was spent in Generating backtrace, though Initializing virtual root also took a fair while. Here's the log:

application launcher

2013-07-13 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, I tried to create an application launcher but I cannot find the clue in fedora 19! Right click does not offer such an option. alacarte either. firppery (add panel favorite), in theory yes, but not in pratice. Seceral frippery applications do not work like SystemMonitor Thank for any help.

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 17:50, schrieb Matthew Miller: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 03:34:18PM +0200, lee wrote: The package management tools in Debian send you emails about changes like that, even about very little changes, when packages are being replaced by more recent versions. Maybe this could be

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 16:04, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au said: How is your firewall set up? When you allow something for IPv4, does it make a corresponding rule for IPv6, at the same time. Likewise, for if you block something. And I mean that in two

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 17:49, schrieb Fernando Lozano: [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the kernel. Just the network interfaces configs that should come with IPv6 disabled by default, if the user wants it should be easy to enable] exactly *that* is my point it is

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
this is childish there is a difference between well aware ipv4 and all sorts of firewalls and proctections configured or startup in a network with ipv6 enabled without knowing it or not configured at all coming up with a link-local address inside a network which is *pure ipv4* on a server means

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 18:44, schrieb Fernando Lozano: [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the kernel. Just the network interfaces configs that should come with IPv6 disabled by default, if the user wants it should be easy to enable] exactly *that* is my point it is

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 21:45, schrieb Paul Smith: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What are the main reasons? because after F19 is released a month later F17 is EOL and get no security updates and no support and the same for F19 after F20 is released if you do not

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 19:41, schrieb Fernando Lozano: hence it would be enough if ifup would respect the configuration i can not see just having IPv6 enabled means there is an IPv6 address below - where is there ipv6 enabled? there is even a IPV6INIT=no I have overlooked that. I'm not a Fedora

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 20:24, schrieb David G.Miller: Fernando Lozano fernando at lozano.eti.br writes: [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the kernel. Just the network interfaces configs SNIP Perhaps Fedora is the wrong distribution for you. The whole idea behind

Re: Computer blocked because of error smpboot CPU2: Not responding

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 19:49, schrieb Paul Smith: I am experiencing the following problem while booting Fedora 19: smpboot: CPU2: Not responding. The computer seems to be blocked. Is there some way of rebooting it without having to power off the computer?

Re: Computer blocked because of error smpboot CPU2: Not responding

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 22:00, schrieb Paul Smith: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: I am experiencing the following problem while booting Fedora 19: smpboot: CPU2: Not responding. The computer seems to be blocked. Is there some way of rebooting it without

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 22:17, schrieb d...@davenjudy.org: Am 12.07.2013 20:24, schrieb David G.Miller: Fernando Lozano fernando at lozano.eti.br writes: [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the kernel. Just the network interfaces configs SNIP Perhaps Fedora is the

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 23:33, schrieb Joe Zeff: On 07/12/2013 02:17 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: 1. Users should be able to disable IPv6. Today they can't and this is a bug that hopefully will be solved soon. I think no one ever intended IPv6 to be mandatory. ;-) Actually, they can, but they have to

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 00:01, schrieb Joe Zeff: On 07/12/2013 02:40 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: so please read this and if possible please tell me the magic where NM writes whatever in a unknown config file to get rid of the ipv6-link-local address

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 02:34, schrieb David Beveridge: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: and the answer comes back to exactly this port https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateful_firewall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDP_hole_punching On some routers where

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 00:45, schrieb David Beveridge: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: Can you give a practical example, please. I've no reason to disbelieve you, but I've also never run across such a case and would like to see one. This kind of depends on what

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 21:57, schrieb lee: The upgrade from 17 to 18 silently broke apache because the configuration had changed. That is something that shouldn't happen, the devs know when there are changes like that and make sure the users are informed accordingly. don't get me wrong but if you

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 13:07, schrieb David Beveridge: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Fernando Lozano ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: If people on the users list don't agree with me, there's no point submiting to developers. Well I for one certainly don't agree with you. If you disable it

Re: Yum dependency problem

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 13:55, schrieb Timothy Murphy: I'm getting a yum dependency problem when running yum update and I'm not sure how to solve it. I'd be very grateful for advice. Some exerpts from the error messages are: --- Error: Package:

Re: Can I remove plymouth?

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 15:47, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 13:43:37 +, Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net wrote: I used to remove rhgb, in order to be able to watch the boot messages; but this new thing seems to handle other tasks in addition to hiding those messages. You

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 14:49, schrieb Klaus-Peter Schrage: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat that's a known problem and the result of careless choosen release-names with special chars signature.asc

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of yum killed in bike accident

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Isaac Cortés González w.isaac.cor...@gmail.com wrote: I support the idea, it should be done at least something like when Verne was released and Dennis Ritchie, not only the Fedora Community has lost a great developer; but also CentOS and RHEL. -Isaac

Re: Fedup 17-18 won't boot, all partitions are GPT

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Rick Walker wal...@omnisterra.com wrote: Hi, I did a fedup from F17 to F18 on my work desktop. Now I get an infinite boot loop. Fdisk can't look at the partition table of /dev/sda because it has been coverted to GPT format (who did that?). As near as I

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/12/2013 03:19 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/11/2013 11:38 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: Only speaking for myself: I always try to upgrade first, having a complete backup, of course. If it doesn't work, I reinstall.

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: Am 12.07.2013 21:57, schrieb lee: The upgrade from 17 to 18 silently broke apache because the configuration had changed. That is something that shouldn't happen, the devs know when there are changes like that and make sure the users are informed

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Digimer
On 13/07/13 09:31, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.07.2013 14:49, schrieb Klaus-Peter Schrage: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat that's a known problem and the result of careless choosen release-names with

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread David Beveridge
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: this is childish there is a difference between well aware ipv4 and all sorts of firewalls and proctections configured or startup in a network with ipv6 enabled without knowing it or not configured at all coming up

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:59:23PM +0200, lee wrote: don't get me wrong but if you hvae manually configured services especially a webserver it's your job to look *before* you upgrade if there is a major change and prepare your manual configuration for it - untouched configuration is

Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Powell, Michael
The machine details: - Dell XPS 17 (L702X) BIOS A19 - Intel Core i7-2720QM (2.2GHZ) - Intel Sandybridge - Nvidia GeForce GT 555M From a complete fresh install of F19, I’m seeing 214 updates. The updates break down into 8 security, 80 bugfix, 22

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Sewill
The question, should IPv6, be disabled by default, is asked of people of the user list. At the moment, I am on the fence. Is there a compromise where, during the Fedora install, when the person is asked for some network information and asked for time zone and root password, can the question be

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Sewill
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: Am 13.07.2013 13:07, schrieb David Beveridge: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Fernando Lozano ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: If people on the users list don't agree with me, there's no point submiting to

Re: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/14/13 06:46, Powell, Michael wrote: Is there some way I can have yum update based on a timestamp or display a timestamp on when these updates were posted to help me narrow the field? /var/log/yum.log has date/time updates were applied -- The only thing worse than a poorly asked

RE: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Powell, Michael
Greshko, Ed wrote: /var/log/yum.log has date/time updates were applied Thanks, Ed. Unfortunately I don't need a timestamp of when the updates were applied to the machine, but instead, I need a timestamp of when those updates were posted to the yum server. My thought is that since I know 191

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Roger
On 07/14/2013 05:17 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: On 7/13/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) Once the fundamental Transhumanism technologies are fully operational. That's the best answer I've seen in

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/12/2013 09:36 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: coming up with a link-local address inside a network which is*pure ipv4* on a server means *any* random device which does the same may bypass all your firewall rule ssince iptables and ip6tables are two different services It might be a good idea,

Re: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/14/13 07:30, Powell, Michael wrote: Greshko, Ed wrote: /var/log/yum.log has date/time updates were applied Thanks, Ed. Unfortunately I don't need a timestamp of when the updates were applied to the machine, but instead, I need a timestamp of when those updates were posted to the yum

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of yum killed in bike accident

2013-07-13 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:16:40 -0700 Richard Vickery richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Isaac Cortés González w.isaac.cor...@gmail.com wrote: I support the idea, it should be done at least something like when Verne was released and Dennis Ritchie, not only the

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 21:48:40 +0200 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.07.2013 21:45, schrieb Paul Smith: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What are the main reasons? because after F19 is released a month later F17 is EOL and get no

Where does gnome-abrt report its crashes to?

2013-07-13 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
I recently submitted a crash report using the gnome-abrt application/applet and would like to file a comment to it. Which bugzilla did gnome-abrt submit it to? I had assumed that the gnome-abrt user interface would tell me, or I would get an email from the bugzilla; but neither has happened.

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com writes: On 07/13/2013 10:07 AM, lee wrote: Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com writes: On 07/12/2013 09:11 PM, lee wrote: Another question: It is possible to have version 1 and version 2 of package A installed at the same time, like version

Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-13 Thread lee
François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr writes: Le 12/07/2013 22:45, lee a écrit : D. Hugh Redelmeier h...@mimosa.com writes: You're probably screwed when you need LVM or software raid or encryption with the partitioning you need. Is there any way to get that? Can you install

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com writes: On 07/13/2013 02:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: Will someone who sees the stuff with umlauts and a proper apostrophe please post

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org writes: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 05:57:57PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: what he menat was showing the difference between present and new config file before updates and the option to merge them - not that the merge is useful in many cases but *that* is was

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