[389-users] Operations Error on object

2014-03-25 Thread Michael Gettes
389-Directory/1.2.11.15 B2013.238.2155 starting up Linux 2.6.32-431.5.1.el6.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Jan 10 14:46:43 EST 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux I have an object which I am unable to operate on. I try to modify it or delete it and I get err=1 (Operations Error). it looks like:

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-25 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 24 March 2014 18:16, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 March 2014 08:14, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 March 2014 23:37, Bill Oliver ven...@billoblog.com wrote: Firefox will only allow one invocation of itself on my machine. Sometimes, if I invoke the

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?)

2014-03-25 Thread Robert Arkiletian
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: ... There is no need for separating out admin binaries, user binaries, local binaries, graphical binaries etc. any more, and hasn't been for about 2 decades. What about DRBL (Diskless Remote Boot Linux) and LTSP (Linux

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?)

2014-03-25 Thread lee
Bill Oliver ven...@billoblog.com writes: Much of what we consider very important today was considered stupid when it first came out. Like? Well, the automobile, aircraft, and personal computer immediately come to mind. Those are good examples. Yet nobody would take away your horse and

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?)

2014-03-25 Thread lee
Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com writes: On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:45 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: /usr belongs on it`s own partition. As if no one has ever said that before, and as if it convinced even one thinking person to change their mind. Thinking persons do not need to

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

2014-03-25 Thread lee
Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com writes: Partitioning took me about three hours with the installer of F19, with a very simple setup and not even data to preserve and neither RAID, nor encryption, and it was only possible after I created the partitions outside the installer. There was no

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

2014-03-25 Thread lee
Powell, Michael michael_pow...@mentor.com writes: It doesn`t give you choices. It leaves you in the dark about that it is somehow possible to use an non-gui installer and to do a minimal install. It leaves you in the dark about what exactly happens when you do the partitioning and with

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?)

2014-03-25 Thread lee
Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com writes: Chris Murphy wrote: Nowadays you may have SSDs which supposedly last longer when not written much to but mostly read from, so you might put the partitions that can be read-only on the SSDs and use magnetic disks for things like /var, /tmp, /home

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?)

2014-03-25 Thread lee
Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com writes: Having been able to have /usr on a separate partition was a valuable feature, which now has gone lost. IMNSHO, ruined by naive, inexperienced kids (to use the same tone as you did), who were overwhelmed by the additional complexity supporting this feature

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?)

2014-03-25 Thread lee
Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com writes: On 24 March 2014 12:45, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: /usr belongs on it`s own partition. And last time I looked, it would not be compliant with the FHS not to have what is needed in /bin and /sbin but to use symlinks instead. I think that's a very

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?)

2014-03-25 Thread lee
Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com writes: On Mar 23, 2014, at 3:56 PM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: There`s nothing weird or exotic about it. I`ve always had /usr on its own partition until the F17 installer refused that, which it shouldn`t have. Old news.

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?)

2014-03-25 Thread lee
Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com writes: On 23 March 2014 21:56, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: There`s nothing weird or exotic about it. I`ve always had /usr on its own partition until the F17 installer refused that, which it shouldn`t have. As I have commented elsewhere, I think this is a

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-25 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 24 March 2014, Peter Arremann sent: You realize this is a Fedora mailing list, not the real world? :) Oh the irony... To spell that out: The number of people using computers, never mind just the ones on this list, that aren't part of the real world. -- [tim@localhost

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-25 Thread g
On 03/25/14 13:30, Ahmad Samir wrote: Usually I'd try with a new profile first, if the problem doesn't happen there, then I try to track down why it's happening in the original profile. (i.e. I wasn't implying he just ditches his old profile :)). thinking about that, a new profile is just

the separate /usr subthread

2014-03-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 08:19:52PM +0100, lee wrote: /usr belongs on it`s own partition. As if no one has ever said that before, and as if it convinced even one thinking person to change their mind. Thinking persons do not need to change their minds about it because they realise that

Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?))

2014-03-25 Thread lee
Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au writes: I reckon it's the case for most OSs that /most/ users don't really care much about what they're using, nor how it works. The large number of clueless people using computers would seem to be evidence of that. The number of clueless people is also large

Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?))

2014-03-25 Thread lee
Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com writes: On 03/24/2014 09:22 AM, lee wrote: The ones making packages probably have more influence. Is it supposed to be like that? Frankly, yes. Feedback on a list is fine, but anyone can say Hey, I wish it was more like this:, but ultimately it will

Re: the separate /usr subthread

2014-03-25 Thread lee
Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org writes: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 08:19:52PM +0100, lee wrote: /usr belongs on it`s own partition. As if no one has ever said that before, and as if it convinced even one thinking person to change their mind. Thinking persons do not need to change

[389-users] Password last change on 1.2.10

2014-03-25 Thread Harold Sinclair
Colleagues, Can you verify / clarify for me? From reading changelogs it appears that tracking the shadowLastChange timestamp was not introduced until 1.2.11 - is that accurate? Is writing the timestamp something core server does automatically when the password is changed or is the client

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 16:43 +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: On 25/03/14 13:33, g wrote: On 03/25/14 06:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 02:24 +0600, g wrote: your insinuendos do little to help op. Is that a portmanteau of innuendo and insinuation? lol. maybe

Re: the separate /usr subthread

2014-03-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 13:09 +0100, lee wrote: That means you can have separate mount options, filesystems, partition constraints, or whatever. It just doesn't work anymore to have it on a network share or (if anyone ever did this!) removable media added after initial boot. But it

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/25/14 20:39, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 16:43 +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: On 25/03/14 13:33, g wrote: On 03/25/14 06:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 02:24 +0600, g wrote: your insinuendos do little to help op. Is that a portmanteau of innuendo

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-25 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 25 March 2014 13:08, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: On 03/25/14 13:30, Ahmad Samir wrote: Usually I'd try with a new profile first, if the problem doesn't happen there, then I try to track down why it's happening in the original profile. (i.e. I wasn't implying he just ditches his old

Re: installer failures, was: Fedora Present and Future

2014-03-25 Thread Liam Proven
On 22 March 2014 20:05, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Ten years of failure installing Fedora. You should make your own t-shirt. Yeah, go me. Actually, no, I don't consider that my job is to do the developers' work for them. My job, the one I was being paid for, was to advise

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-25 Thread g
On 03/25/14 18:47, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/25/14 20:39, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 16:43 +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: On 25/03/14 13:33, g wrote: On 03/25/14 06:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 02:24 +0600, g wrote: your insinuendos do little to

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?)

2014-03-25 Thread Liam Proven
On 24 March 2014 16:11, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: These aren't old-fashioned, these are technically out-dated. Makes a huge difference! I am not sure it does. I would tend to consider them as 2 sides of the same coin. The fact you haven't encountered it doesn't mean there are

user and groups permissions

2014-03-25 Thread Rafnews
Hi, i'm trying to figure out what is the best approach for files and folders permissions in case of a shared webserver. we are 2-3 developers and we have a server on which we installed Fedora 20 as web server for our development testing purpose. all websites should be stored in

Re: the separate /usr subthread

2014-03-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 01:09:12PM +0100, lee wrote: It's important to realize that you *can* have a separate /usr -- it just really needs to be available at boot time. The F17 installer wouldn`t let me have it. Yeah, but F20 installer does. What was the complaint again? :) That means

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?)

2014-03-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/25/2014 02:08 PM, Liam Proven wrote: On 24 March 2014 16:11, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: These aren't old-fashioned, these are technically out-dated. Makes a huge difference! I am not sure it does. I would tend to consider them as 2 sides of the same coin. Have a look

Re: user and groups permissions

2014-03-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 02:35:57PM +0100, Rafnews wrote: i'm trying to figure out what is the best approach for files and folders permissions in case of a shared webserver. we are 2-3 developers and we have a server on which we installed Fedora 20 as web server for our development testing

Re: user and groups permissions

2014-03-25 Thread Rafnews
for me ACL includes the user permissions ? On 25.03.2014 15:25, Pittigher, Raymond - Exelis wrote: Or you can try using FACL - Ray Pittigher --Exelis Inc, Clifton NJ --phone 973-284-2275 --email raymond.pittig...@exelisinc.com From:

RE: user and groups permissions

2014-03-25 Thread Pittigher, Raymond - Exelis
Or you can try using FACL - Ray Pittigher --Exelis Inc, Clifton NJ --phone 973-284-2275 --email raymond.pittig...@exelisinc.com From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] on behalf of Matthew Miller

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-25 Thread g
On 03/25/14 18:52, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 25 March 2014 13:08, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: thinking about that, a new profile is just about as easy a check to make as disabling add-ons. It could be a pref in the profile not just an extension causing the problem. Or maybe a corrupt

Re: the separate /usr subthread

2014-03-25 Thread Howard Howell
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 07:13 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 08:19:52PM +0100, lee wrote: /usr belongs on it`s own partition. As if no one has ever said that before, and as if it convinced even one thinking person to change their mind. Thinking persons do not

Re: user and groups permissions

2014-03-25 Thread fedora
if your main concern is FTP access to the web, then i would recommend an FTP server, which allows virtual user-ids, such as pure-ftpd. Then, you could open a new virtual user-id for each project, each web, and communicate it to all participants of the project or web. suomi On 2014-03-25

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-25 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 25 March 2014 18:00, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: On 03/25/14 18:52, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 25 March 2014 13:08, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: thinking about that, a new profile is just about as easy a check to make as disabling add-ons. It could be a pref in the profile not just

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

2014-03-25 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 25, 2014, at 2:41 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com writes: Partitioning took me about three hours with the installer of F19, with a very simple setup and not even data to preserve and neither RAID, nor encryption, and it was only possible

RE: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

2014-03-25 Thread Powell, Michael
I`m not an expert with Fedoras installers in any way. This is simply my user experience. Maybe the user experience the installer provides should be different. Your user experience is important, but just because you think it should be one way doesn't mean the community or developers echo

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

2014-03-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/25/2014 12:10 PM, Powell, Michael wrote: I disagree; if a user is presented with the following filesystem choices, btrfs, ext2, ext3, ext4, JFS, reiser4, reiserFS, and ZFS, and each is presented equally with a single paragraph describing its benefits, unless the user has prior knowledge

Re: user and groups permissions

2014-03-25 Thread Rafnews
My concern is not FTP only but also directory access and creation On 25.03.2014 18:16, fedora wrote: if your main concern is FTP access to the web, then i would recommend an FTP server, which allows virtual user-ids, such as pure-ftpd. Then, you could open a new virtual user-id for each

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-25 Thread g
On 03/25/14 23:17, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 25 March 2014 18:00, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: maybe in your experiences, but mine has been just to rename users's .mozilla directory and when firefox was called, firefox created a new .mozilla directory. A Firefox profile directory is

from .deb to .rpm for encrypting messenger?

2014-03-25 Thread Randolph
Hi, now that it seems that a .deb is given for GB, has anyone tested to create a .rpm ? https://sourceforge.net/projects/goldbug/files/goldbug-im_DEBIAN/0.9.0.2/ Regards -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/25/2014 12:27 PM, g wrote: in case you are not aware, dead wood means portions of a post that are not related or reference to what one is replying to. I'd like to add to that the fact that other poster's signatures, including anything added by the list software, is always deadwood and

Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-03-25)

2014-03-25 Thread Matthew Miller
Reposted from http://fedoramagazine.org/five-things-in-fedora-this-week-2014-03-25/ Fedora is big project, and it’s hard to follow it all. This new feature will highlight interesting happenings in five different areas every week. It won’t be comprehensive news coverage — just quick summaries with

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-25 Thread g
On 03/26/14 01:43, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/25/2014 12:27 PM, g wrote: in case you are not aware, dead wood means portions of a post that are not related or reference to what one is replying to. I'd like to add to that the fact that other poster's signatures, including anything added by the

Re: the separate /usr subthread

2014-03-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:50:10AM -0700, Howard Howell wrote: It's important to realize that you *can* have a separate /usr -- it just really needs to be available at boot time. That means you can have separate mount options, filesystems, partition constraints, or whatever. It just

Strange Issue

2014-03-25 Thread Frank Tanner III
I've seen this, or something similar in the bug track, but I am not seeing a workaround. I have a VM running FC20 (on an ESXi 5.5 host). I am using the KDE environment. It was running great until a couple of days ago All of a sudden, out of the blue, it rebooted and now comes up and tries to

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2014-03-26 at 02:36 +0600, g wrote: and so, be prepared to hear from some gmail and cell phone users who will deny that such can easily be done, as well as replying interspersed, therefore they do not. :-) IN Gmail it's trivially easy. Hint: select the relevant part before hitting

Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?))

2014-03-25 Thread Roger
On 25/03/14 22:29, lee wrote: Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au writes: I reckon it's the case for most OSs that /most/ users don't really care much about what they're using, nor how it works. The large number of clueless people using computers would seem to be evidence of that. The number of

Miccus Home RTX: Anybody got it working under Fedora 20?

2014-03-25 Thread Steven Ulrick
Hello, Everyone The subject line says it all... Anybody try to get this device set up, then hear about the defective antenna that was apparently shipped with this device for a while, get the new (correct) antenna shipped to them and then had any success getting this device working with Fedora 20?

Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?))

2014-03-25 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 03/25/2014 07:09 PM, Roger wrote: And on it goes! Fedora and Linux in general is what it is. We are fantastically lucky that developers and testers donate vast knowledge, time and resources. We have choice, so many variations. If I were a developer thinking about improvement, speed,

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

2014-03-25 Thread Robin Laing
On 2014-03-23 13:49, Powell, Michael wrote: Then they need to turn around at once! Leaving users in the dark about what`s going on makes things more difficult for them. Taking away choices limits the use of the software to the point where it eventually becomes unusable. Good design, clarity,

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

2014-03-25 Thread Robin Laing
On 2014-03-25 02:22, lee wrote: Powell, Michael michael_pow...@mentor.com writes: It doesn`t give you choices. It leaves you in the dark about that it is somehow possible to use an non-gui installer and to do a minimal install. It leaves you in the dark about what exactly happens when you do

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

2014-03-25 Thread Robin Laing
On 2014-03-25 13:26, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/25/2014 12:10 PM, Powell, Michael wrote: I disagree; if a user is presented with the following filesystem choices, btrfs, ext2, ext3, ext4, JFS, reiser4, reiserFS, and ZFS, and each is presented equally with a single paragraph describing its benefits,

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, Why?)

2014-03-25 Thread Robin Laing
On 2014-03-24 08:25, Liam Proven wrote: On 23 March 2014 21:56, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Installing on a laptop requires encrypted partitions. They can be stolen too easily. I have never ever used this and never expect or plan to. I suggest that your blanket statement is too