[389-users] Error with usernames containing periods

2014-07-07 Thread Dave Page
Hi I'm working on a PoC migration of an OpenLDAP infrastructure to 389. Our existing directory has periods in all of the usernames, e.g. dave.page. However, this seems to cause problems with the org chart interface, which complains with: . is not allowed in search filters. when clicking on the

[389-users] Header menu display issue in DSGW

2014-07-07 Thread Dave Page
Hi, I've just installed 389 on a fresh, fully patched CentOS 6.5 x86_64 box from EPEL and am seeing the attached display issue when accessing the Directory Server Gateway. My client machine is a Mac running OS X 10.9.3, on which I've tested with: Chrome 35.0.1916.153 Firefox 31.0 Safari 7.0.4 I

Re: [389-users] Header menu display issue in DSGW

2014-07-07 Thread Vincent Gerris
If you mean that the layout is messed up, you are right. It is terrible and looks different on about any browser. I filed a bug for the ubuntu package where I found it too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/389-dsgw/+bug/1286035 There has been no reaction yet, it actually should have been

Re: [389-users] Header menu display issue in DSGW

2014-07-07 Thread Dave Page
Hi On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Vincent Gerris vger...@gmail.com wrote: If you mean that the layout is messed up, you are right. It is terrible and looks different on about any browser. I filed a bug for the ubuntu package where I found it too:

Re: [389-users] Header menu display issue in DSGW

2014-07-07 Thread Rich Megginson
On 07/07/2014 06:54 AM, Dave Page wrote: Hi On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Vincent Gerris vger...@gmail.com wrote: If you mean that the layout is messed up, you are right. It is terrible and looks different on about any browser. I filed a bug for the ubuntu package where I found it too:

Re: [389-users] Error with usernames containing periods

2014-07-07 Thread Rich Megginson
On 07/07/2014 06:09 AM, Dave Page wrote: Hi I'm working on a PoC migration of an OpenLDAP infrastructure to 389. Our existing directory has periods in all of the usernames, e.g. dave.page. However, this seems to cause problems with the org chart interface, which complains with: . is not

Re: [389-users] 1.2.11.30 ETA?

2014-07-07 Thread Rich Megginson
On 07/03/2014 05:13 PM, Timothy Pollard wrote: On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:10:01 -0600 Rich Megginson rmegg...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/03/2014 03:58 PM, Timothy Pollard wrote: We're actually on CentOS 6. We'd be happy to use the standard distro version, but we're seeing a lot of crashes (about half

Re: [389-users] 1.2.11.30 ETA?

2014-07-07 Thread Rich Megginson
On 07/07/2014 08:45 AM, Michael Gettes wrote: Rich, if you mean 3 months for 1.2.11.30, 3 months for RHEL 6.6, give or take, and as always, subject to change. That is, don't take this as an official Red Hat(tm) approved release date announcement. then i might consider building this for

Re: [389-users] 1.2.11.30 ETA?

2014-07-07 Thread Michael Gettes
On Jul 7, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Rich Megginson rmegg...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/07/2014 08:45 AM, Michael Gettes wrote: Rich, if you mean 3 months for 1.2.11.30, 3 months for RHEL 6.6, give or take, and as always, subject to change. That is, don't take this as an official Red Hat(tm)

Re: [389-users] Header menu display issue in DSGW

2014-07-07 Thread Rich Megginson
On 07/07/2014 08:37 AM, Vincent Gerris wrote: I would love to patch it, but like I tried to indicate it would be more like rewriting. It's probably just some CSS that needs modernizing. In my case, choosing another frontend was more viable. Ok. I personally do not know who is using dsgw

Re: [389-users] Header menu display issue in DSGW

2014-07-07 Thread Vincent Gerris
Thank you for help and your work! I might send a mail to this list again when the time comes and I need some guidance :). On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Rich Megginson rmegg...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/07/2014 08:37 AM, Vincent Gerris wrote: I would love to patch it, but like I tried to

Re: SImple amp for F20

2014-07-07 Thread Ian Malone
On 7 July 2014 00:33, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: I am looking for a simple amplifer program. I have looked at audacity, but I would have to be 'recording' to get 'playthrough'. There is

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Timothy Murphy
Garry T. Williams wrote: There are a slew of references on the 'Net Then give one ... -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Adrian Sevcenco
On 07/06/2014 07:45 PM, lee wrote: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us writes: On 07/06/2014 12:43 AM, lee wrote: Not even the configuration files are where they belong. Actually, they're exactly where they belong. They just aren't where you expect them to be. They belong under /etc, not hidden

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 10:38:16AM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: Garry T. Williams wrote: There are a slew of references on the 'Net Then give one ... Or if you could share your slides from the talk you gave, that would be nice. I sincerely would like to understand systemd, and so far all

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread David Benfell
Adrian Sevcenco writes: moreover you can separately configure a service without modifying the .service file (which usually is linked in /etc/systemd) : Possibly my information is out of date. I thought you were to put such service files in /etc/systemd/system and systemctl looks here first

Problems after replacing an ati videocard by a nvidia card (F20, both 512 MB memory)

2014-07-07 Thread Joachim Backes
Problem description: replacing my ati video card (DVI) by a nvidia card (DVI too) generates problems: almost unreadable (flickering) screen during boot after some boot progress (even without rhgb), no gdm login screen. The primary F20 system was installed with the ati card. Running dracut

Re: Problems after replacing an ati videocard by a nvidia card (F20, both 512 MB memory)

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 07.07.2014 12:11, Joachim Backes wrote: Problem description: replacing my ati video card (DVI) by a nvidia card (DVI too) generates problems: almost unreadable (flickering) screen during boot after some boot progress (even without rhgb), no gdm login screen. The primary F20 system was

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 2014-07-06 at 13:01 -0700, David Benfell wrote: *What*, for example, is the usual meaning of file system objects? A file? Why not just say file? And if the documentation really means files or pipes or devices, then why not say

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Glenn Holmer shad...@lyonlabs.org writes: But when someone replies to that by saying that systemd is broken because a shepherd is not a sheep, well... that's just splitting grammatical hairs to try and prove that the documentation is obtuse. Then you haven't thought far enough. The

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Russell Miller duskg...@gmail.com writes: On Jul 6, 2014, at 5:33 PM, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote: Rolf Turner writes: The difference is that Olav is polite and you are abusive. If you regard what I say as abusive, then you should, perhaps, be challenging this entire

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com writes: David Benfell writes: Systemd needs to be a vast improvement to justify this. And it seems that not everyone even agrees that it's an improvement at all. Here's something that I can't figure out: with this entire thread in mind, why is all of

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Bill Oliver ven...@billoblog.com writes: On Sun, 6 Jul 2014, David Benfell wrote: So in your view, I have no right to object to his behavior but you have a right to object to my objection? Something ain't right there. Some things are above criticism. It's important that you know your

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com writes: On 06/07/14 18:44, lee wrote: Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com writes: [...] yum remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio used to do it. It would still be installed, but not loaded/used. Hm, yes, I could actually remove it without removing anything else,

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu writes: On Sun, 6 Jul 2014, Kevin Fenzi wrote: What systemd config files are under /var? I don't know. I thought lee did. It has some files in /var, too, whatever those are. It's all over the place :( -- Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) --

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com writes: On Sun, 6 Jul 2014 13:25:42 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: On Sun, 6 Jul 2014, lee wrote: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us writes: On 07/06/2014 12:43 AM, lee wrote: Not even the configuration files are where they belong.

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Garry T. Williams gtwilli...@gmail.com writes: On 7-6-14 10:39:11 lee wrote: Garry T. Williams gtwilli...@gmail.com writes: The analogy is placing a script in /etc/init.d and then linking its name in the /etc/rc5.d directory. I find this much simpler than the sysvinit schemes. You

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 11:07 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 10:38:16AM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: Garry T. Williams wrote: There are a slew of references on the 'Net Then give one ... Or if you could share your slides from the talk you gave, that would be nice.

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 04:57 +0200, poma wrote: On 06.07.2014 22:12, David Benfell wrote: poma writes: You can propose your terminology. You're asking him to do Poettering's technical writing when he isn't even sure he understands Poettering correctly. Not only is that an

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 04:39 +0200, poma wrote: On 06.07.2014 16:45, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2014-07-06 at 15:32 +0200, poma wrote: I repeat that I am not attacking systemd here, I'm criticizing the way it's described. It may seem perfectly clear to those who already

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 12:16:52 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Writing clear documentation is just as hard as writing good code. I disagree, it is actually much harder :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 12:27:53 +0200 lee wrote: Debian and centos use sysvinit; I don't know what others use. Not for long. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of

Re: Problems after replacing an ati videocard by a nvidia card (F20, both 512 MB memory)

2014-07-07 Thread Joachim Backes
On 07/07/2014 01:06 PM, poma wrote: On 07.07.2014 12:11, Joachim Backes wrote: Problem description: replacing my ati video card (DVI) by a nvidia card (DVI too) generates problems: almost unreadable (flickering) screen during boot after some boot progress (even without rhgb), no gdm login

Re: Problems after replacing an ati videocard by a nvidia card (F20, both 512 MB memory)

2014-07-07 Thread Joachim Backes
On 07/07/2014 01:06 PM, poma wrote: On 07.07.2014 12:11, Joachim Backes wrote: Problem description: replacing my ati video card (DVI) by a nvidia card (DVI too) generates problems: almost unreadable (flickering) screen during boot after some boot progress (even without rhgb), no gdm login

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Glenn Holmer
On 07/07/2014 04:34 AM, lee wrote: The authors of systemd don't even understand what disabled means. A pretty bold statement. Disabled means the same thing it does in sysvinit: the service won't start at boot time.

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 07.07.2014 13:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 04:39 +0200, poma wrote: On 06.07.2014 16:45, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2014-07-06 at 15:32 +0200, poma wrote: I repeat that I am not attacking systemd here, I'm criticizing the way it's described. It may seem

Re: Problems after replacing an ati videocard by a nvidia card (F20, both 512 MB memory)

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 07.07.2014 14:21, Joachim Backes wrote: On 07/07/2014 01:06 PM, poma wrote: On 07.07.2014 12:11, Joachim Backes wrote: Problem description: replacing my ati video card (DVI) by a nvidia card (DVI too) generates problems: almost unreadable (flickering) screen during boot after some boot

Re: Camera mounting

2014-07-07 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 06 July 2014, lee sent: Why would anyone but root be allowed to mount something? Because *I* put a CD, DVD, USB drive, into *my* computer, logged in as *myself*... If I have to be root, or gain root privileges, to do such a basic requirement, these days, then security is

Re: [389-users] 1.2.11.30 ETA?

2014-07-07 Thread Michael Gettes
Rich, if you mean 3 months for 1.2.11.30, then i might consider building this for my test environment - which is somewhat active. If you think this would be helpful. /mrg On Jul 7, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Rich Megginson rmegg...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/03/2014 05:13 PM, Timothy Pollard wrote:

Mirroring issue

2014-07-07 Thread Mike Chambers
Hey all, Got an issue I want to get thoughts/opinions on. I currently mirror Fedora releases, updates, rawhide, etc...But on the releases, that is the problem. Fedora has a few directories to mirror and not sure which scenario to use. 1 - I currently mirror the *whole kit and kaboodle*

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Adrian Sevcenco
On 07/07/2014 01:10 PM, David Benfell wrote: Adrian Sevcenco writes: moreover you can separately configure a service without modifying the .service file (which usually is linked in /etc/systemd) : Possibly my information is out of date. I thought you were to put such service files in

frequent kernel oops -- how do I report it?

2014-07-07 Thread Steven Stern
I'm getting frequent kernel oops in F20, but my kernel is tainted so abrpt won't report it. /proc/sys/kernel/tainted has a value of 512. What do I do? It seems to be a windowing problem related to Chrome, but also occurs if I'm doing stuff with bluetooth. Here's the latest: --

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 15:11 +0200, poma wrote: You do not understand your own terminology!? :) Yeah sure, that's what I meant. Not. poc You see, you expect systemd to be understandable, however you alone weren't understandable here. :) Seriously? The only person who appears to

yumex won't skip checking for updates

2014-07-07 Thread Robert Moskowitz
In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but everytime I start yumex, it checks for updates. Then I have to click on 'Available' and wait again as it does its think before I get the list of all apps so I can search for whatever I am looking for. Quite a rather unpleasant

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 19:17:49 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I see it all now. The people who complain that they don't understand the terminology are lazy or ignorant or have an agenda. There's no way any of the responsibility for that lies with the docs themselves. Why didn't I realize that

Re: yumex won't skip checking for updates

2014-07-07 Thread Erik P. Olsen
On 07/07/14 20:28, Robert Moskowitz wrote: In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but everytime I start yumex, it checks for updates. Then I have to click on 'Available' and wait again as it does its think before I get the list of all apps so I can search for whatever I am

Re: yumex won't skip checking for updates

2014-07-07 Thread Erik P. Olsen
On 07/07/14 20:28, Robert Moskowitz wrote: In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but everytime I start yumex, it checks for updates. Then I have to click on 'Available' and wait again as it does its think before I get the list of all apps so I can search for whatever I am

Re: yumex won't skip checking for updates

2014-07-07 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/07/2014 02:59 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 07/07/14 20:28, Robert Moskowitz wrote: In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but everytime I start yumex, it checks for updates. Then I have to click on 'Available' and wait again as it does its think before I get the list

Re: yumex won't skip checking for updates

2014-07-07 Thread Erik P. Olsen
On 07/07/14 21:13, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/07/2014 02:59 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 07/07/14 20:28, Robert Moskowitz wrote: In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but everytime I start yumex, it checks for updates. Then I have to click on 'Available' and wait again

Re: yumex won't skip checking for updates

2014-07-07 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/07/2014 03:51 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 07/07/14 21:13, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/07/2014 02:59 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 07/07/14 20:28, Robert Moskowitz wrote: In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but everytime I start yumex, it checks for updates. Then

Re: yumex won't skip checking for updates

2014-07-07 Thread Erik P. Olsen
On 07/07/14 22:11, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/07/2014 03:51 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 07/07/14 21:13, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/07/2014 02:59 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 07/07/14 20:28, Robert Moskowitz wrote: In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but everytime

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 06.07.2014, Balint Szigeti wrote: The only reason that I wanted to reach, make the system(s) better if we don't get rid of it. But keep in mind that there are alternatives. Thus, systemd isn't unavoidable. I'm permitting myself to mention that I've been using openrc on my Arch machine

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Edward M
On 07/07/14 13:39, Heinz Diehl wrote: But keep in mind that there are alternatives. Thus, systemd isn't unavoidable. I'm permitting myself to mention that I've been using openrc on my Arch machine quite some time, and it works great.. It may become problematic once KDBUS merges into

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 07.07.2014 20:38, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 19:17:49 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I see it all now. The people who complain that they don't understand the terminology are lazy or ignorant or have an agenda. There's no way any of the responsibility for that lies with the

Re: frequent kernel oops -- how do I report it?

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 07.07.2014 19:24, Steven Stern wrote: I'm getting frequent kernel oops in F20, but my kernel is tainted so abrpt won't report it. /proc/sys/kernel/tainted has a value of 512. What do I do? ... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelBugTriage#Bugs_with_TAINTED_modules

Re: OT: Creating a livecd with efi support using Fedora

2014-07-07 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 07/06/2014 05:16 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: Currently, I have a project that I build on Fedora systems that uses syslinux to boot from CD or USB. I've only found stuff that mentions Ubuntu, Arch, and some other distro on building EFI option, but even then it is talking about patched

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 07.07.2014, Edward M wrote: It may become problematic once KDBUS merges into the mainline kernel. http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html This thread showcases once more the all-dominating and rude attitudes of some of the systemd devs. At least, the

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Edward M
On 07/07/14 15:00, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 07.07.2014, Edward M wrote: It may become problematic once KDBUS merges into the mainline kernel. http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html This thread showcases once more the all-dominating and rude attitudes of

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 23:27 +0200, poma wrote: For you Roquefort will always be just a fungus. It's beyond your comprehension. We're done here. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 08.07.2014 00:00, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 07.07.2014, Edward M wrote: It may become problematic once KDBUS merges into the mainline kernel. http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html This thread showcases once more the all-dominating and rude attitudes of

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread David Benfell
poma writes: What is the sediment in the thread context? I suspect the word that was meant here is 'sentiment'. -- David Benfell See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you do not understand the attachment. pgpGYgRS4st9h.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread David Benfell
poma writes: For you Roquefort will always be just a fungus. It's beyond your comprehension. Fascinating. -- David Benfell See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you do not understand the attachment. pgp7H0uW05rdV.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 08.07.2014 00:46, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 23:27 +0200, poma wrote: For you Roquefort will always be just a fungus. It's beyond your comprehension. We're done here. poc We!? :) poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 08.07.2014 00:57, David Benfell wrote: poma writes: For you Roquefort will always be just a fungus. It's beyond your comprehension. Fascinating. Indeed. Tom tends to call a fungus everything he does not like. :) BTW you sound like Spock. :) poma -- users mailing list

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 08.07.2014 00:53, David Benfell wrote: poma writes: What is the sediment in the thread context? I suspect the word that was meant here is 'sentiment'. Yeah it comes to mind, but then what would be the sentiment in the thread context? poma -- users mailing list

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 08.07.2014 01:11, Greg KH wrote: On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 12:50:08AM +0200, poma wrote: On 08.07.2014 00:00, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 07.07.2014, Edward M wrote: It may become problematic once KDBUS merges into the mainline kernel.

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 08.07.2014 01:15, Greg KH wrote: On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:08:48AM +0200, poma wrote: On 08.07.2014 00:53, David Benfell wrote: poma writes: What is the sediment in the thread context? I suspect the word that was meant here is 'sentiment'. Yeah it comes to mind, but then what would

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread poma
And people tend to say systmed developers are rude. :) s/systmed/systemd/ poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/07/2014 04:16 PM, poma wrote: On 08.07.2014 01:15, Greg KH wrote: *plonk* And people tend to say systmed developers are rude. :) Thanks Greg! You do understand, don't you, that he's just publicly killfiled you and that he won't be seeing your response? The only reason, BTW, that

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 08.07.2014 01:39, Joe Zeff wrote: You do understand, don't you, that he's just publicly killfiled you and that he won't be seeing your response? The only reason, BTW, that I haven't done the same, yet, is because you sometimes say something that's both relevant and useful. So far, your

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 12:27:53 +0200 lee wrote: Debian and centos use sysvinit; I don't know what others use. Not for long. Debian says that wheezy comes with it[1], yet it didn't (other than perhaps as an option) as I can see from what I have

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com writes: BTW, I am a technical user (i.e. I'm more technically inclined than most people and less so than some), but I object to that being used as a crutch by people who don't take the trouble to write clearly. Writing clear documentation is just as

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Glenn Holmer shad...@lyonlabs.org writes: On 07/07/2014 04:34 AM, lee wrote: The authors of systemd don't even understand what disabled means. A pretty bold statement. Disabled means the same thing it does in sysvinit: the service won't start at boot time. But it might start any time later

Re: Camera mounting

2014-07-07 Thread lee
Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au writes: Allegedly, on or about 06 July 2014, lee sent: Why would anyone but root be allowed to mount something? Because *I* put a CD, DVD, USB drive, into *my* computer, logged in as *myself*... That doesn't mean that you should be allowed to mount it when

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/07/2014 04:47 PM, lee wrote: Glenn Holmershad...@lyonlabs.org writes: On 07/07/2014 04:34 AM, lee wrote: The authors of systemd don't even understand what disabled means. A pretty bold statement. Disabled means the same thing it does in sysvinit: the service won't start at boot time.

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/07/2014 05:12 PM, poma wrote: Thank you very much but your interpretation is unnecessary. And please don't project your frustrations on me, and do not call on others to do the same. That is abusive. If I really believed that it would be in this list's best interests to have you

Re: Camera mounting

2014-07-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/07/2014 05:15 PM, lee wrote: Timignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au writes: Allegedly, on or about 06 July 2014, lee sent: Why would anyone but root be allowed to mount something? Because*I* put a CD, DVD, USB drive, into*my* computer, logged in as *myself*... That doesn't mean that you

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread David Benfell
lee writes: Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 12:27:53 +0200 lee wrote: Debian and centos use sysvinit; I don't know what others use. Not for long. Debian says that wheezy comes with it[1], yet it didn't (other than perhaps as an option) as I can see from

Re: Camera mounting

2014-07-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/07/14 22:44, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 06 July 2014, lee sent: Why would anyone but root be allowed to mount something? Because *I* put a CD, DVD, USB drive, into *my* computer, logged in as *myself*... If I have to be root, or gain root privileges, to do such a basic

Re: Camera mounting

2014-07-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/07/2014 06:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: I leave it up to xfce users to determine the difference between the 2 starting methods. :-) If it matters, I can ask about it at the Xfce forum for you. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: Camera mounting

2014-07-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/08/14 09:52, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/07/2014 06:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: I leave it up to xfce users to determine the difference between the 2 starting methods. :-) If it matters, I can ask about it at the Xfce forum for you. I thought it was clear that it matters not to me. If is

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread poma
On 08.07.2014 02:43, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/07/2014 05:12 PM, poma wrote: Thank you very much but your interpretation is unnecessary. And please don't project your frustrations on me, and do not call on others to do the same. That is abusive. If I really believed that it would be in this