Re: [389-users] 389 windows console

2014-07-11 Thread Rich Megginson
On 07/11/2014 03:17 PM, Ryan Ferguson wrote: When using the 389 windows console version 1.1.6 Posix Group is not displayed and we cannot view group members to add and remove from the group. However when using the linux console the Posix Group tab is available. Is this a known issue and is

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 13:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. Does it mean, if I remove this package I can't

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/11/14 14:27, Balint Szigeti wrote: On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 13:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. Does it

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Fred Erickson
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:27:51 +0100 Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 13:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know it handles the boot screen and the

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 11/07/14 08:27, Balint Szigeti wrote: On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 13:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. Does it mean,

Re: how to accurately test internet upload download speed

2014-07-11 Thread J.Witvliet
(Sorry for TP) Measuring speed can be a pig. On the net there are a bunch of sites, claiming they can do this. However, some require that you have to install all sorts of crap-ware, you to enable eye-candy. Furthermore, what do you need to know? Latency or bandwidth, up-stream or down-stream?

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/07/14 08:27, Balint Szigeti wrote: On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 13:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 06:11:49 +0100 Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: hello Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. Does it mean, if I remove this package I can't examine what

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Ed Greshko writes: On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. Does it mean, if I remove this package I can't examine what happened during the boot or

Re: how to accurately test internet upload download speed

2014-07-11 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 10 July 2014, CS_DBA sent: Is there a accurate way of truly testing what upload and download speeds i'm getting? Download a file, time it, and do the math... ;-\ On a serious note, some ISPs do give you a speed test that you can do by downloading a large file from

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 06:49 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Ed Greshko writes: On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. Does it mean, if I

Re: Cinnamon / tint2

2014-07-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 15:58 +0200, Pal, Laszlo wrote: Hi, In one of the previous update some clever guy made tint2 as dependency of Cinnamon... I don't know why, but it seems making my favourite environment much more unstable than earlier. At least handling the systray is a complete

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 14:10 +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 06:49 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Ed Greshko writes: ... Some kind of a hardware-dependent race condition in plymouth. Could you give me more

Re: Cinnamon / tint2

2014-07-11 Thread Pal, Laszlo
Thanks. That's strange because when I kill tint2 my panels works better :) Anyway, it seems the issue may related to nvidia proprietary drivers, so I've moved to nouveau. Hopefully this will solve the problem. L: On 11 July 2014 14:11, Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue,

Re: F21 Cant login

2014-07-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 01:07 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: Just installed F21 via NFS, using KDE as my workstation. It booted up to the login screen, but it won't login. Have tried both GUI and terminal and neither will login, whether regular user or root. Mike Chambers F21 is unreleased.

Re: Cinnamon / tint2

2014-07-11 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think so you can get rid of the tint2. This is the panel 'manager'. You won't have panels without it. Tint2 is an independent panel. I see no relation between Cinnamon and Tint2. I have not used Cinnamon but

Re: F21 Cant login

2014-07-11 Thread Mike Chambers
On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 13:36 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 01:07 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: Just installed F21 via NFS, using KDE as my workstation. It booted up to the login screen, but it won't login. Have tried both GUI and terminal and neither will login,

Re: Camera mounting

2014-07-11 Thread lee
Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com writes: On 10 July 2014 09:49, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com writes: On 10 July 2014 01:10, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: You trust computers too much. No, I'm pragmatic in what can be trusted. If key components of your

*ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun

2014-07-11 Thread Oliver Ruebenacker
Hello, On trying to boot, Fedora crashes on my Lenovo Thinkpad T430 with this message: Booting 'Fedora (3.15.4-200.fc20.x86_64) 20 (Heisenbug)' [ 2.718947] [drm:cpt:cpt_serr_int_handler] *ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun Actually, all kernels after 3.13.10-200.fc20.x86_64 are

Re: *ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun

2014-07-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
I didn't have chance to try but I think the latest kernel fixes it: $ rpm -q --changelog kernel-3.15.4-200.fc20|more * Mon Jul 07 2014 Justin M. Forbes jfor...@fedoraproject.org 3.15.4-200 - Linux v3.15.4 - Fixes CVE-2014-4715 (rhbz 1115767 1116362) - Fixes CVE-2014-4699 (rhbz 1115927

Re: *ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun

2014-07-11 Thread poma
On 11.07.2014 17:23, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote: Hello, On trying to boot, Fedora crashes on my Lenovo Thinkpad T430 with this message: Booting 'Fedora (3.15.4-200.fc20.x86_64) 20 (Heisenbug)' [ 2.718947] [drm:cpt:cpt_serr_int_handler] *ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun

Re: *ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun

2014-07-11 Thread poma
http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_thinkpad_t430 https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/xorg-x11-drv-intel/bugs/all http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Xorg_problems#All_bug_reports ... output of the dmesg command ...

live cd install to a LV

2014-07-11 Thread Mike Wright
Hi all, Is it possible to install a live CD to a logical volume any more? I've tried repeatedly and just when I think I've got it the installer refuses to proceed. At one time this was possible. I needed lot of copies of f14 to use as virtual machines so I installed to hard disk and on

Re: how to accurately test internet upload download speed

2014-07-11 Thread James Hogarth
On 10 Jul 2014 18:19, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: Very useful tools, especially while at hotspot cafe's. Are there any free public servers for ttcp and iperf? Since the only way to test bandwidth is to fill the connection until you hit a limit on a serious note please do not do this at

fix a broken gnome desktop ?

2014-07-11 Thread Mike Wright
Hi all, Following a recent kernel update I rebooted and can no longer use Gnome3. I receive this error: Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. All extensions have been disabled as a precaution. Usually there is no mouse after this

Re: NVRAM changes not persistent with efibootmgr

2014-07-11 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:39 PM, Gareth Williams gar...@garethwilliams.me.uk wrote: On 11/07/14 06:24, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jul 10, 2014, at 4:56 AM, Williams, Gareth gar...@garethwilliams.me.uk wrote: My question therefore is: Does anaconda do something else after running 'efibootmgr'

Re: how to accurately test internet upload download speed

2014-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2014 12:42 PM, James Hogarth wrote: Since the only way to test bandwidth is to fill the connection until you hit a limit on a serious note please do not do this at hotspots... You will cause severe performance degradation for every other user during your testing... For that matter,

Re: fix a broken gnome desktop ?

2014-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2014 12:42 PM, Mike Wright wrote: I am loathe to yum remove, yum install. The remove wants to take 554MB of packages with it and I'm not willing to gamble that I'll have a usable system afterwards. It's possible that yum reinstall may work, but I'd suggest that you do a backup RIGHT

Re: live cd install to a LV

2014-07-11 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Mike Wright mike.wri...@mailinator.com wrote: Hi all, Is it possible to install a live CD to a logical volume any more? Yes. I've tried repeatedly and just when I think I've got it the installer refuses to proceed. What's the filename of the ISO you're

Re: NVRAM changes not persistent with efibootmgr

2014-07-11 Thread Gareth Williams
There's an argument for totally ignoring NVRAM. rEFInd, an EFI boot manager, produces its boot entries dynamically from fstab, a static configuration file, and the contents of /boot. It ignores NVRAM, there's no constantly modified grub.cfg on the EFI system partition when kernels are

Re: NVRAM changes not persistent with efibootmgr

2014-07-11 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 11, 2014, at 2:09 PM, Gareth Williams gar...@garethwilliams.me.uk wrote: There's an argument for totally ignoring NVRAM. rEFInd, an EFI boot manager, produces its boot entries dynamically from fstab, a static configuration file, and the contents of /boot. It ignores NVRAM, there's

Re: live cd install to a LV

2014-07-11 Thread Mike Wright
07/11/2014 01:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Mike Wright mike.wri...@mailinator.com wrote: Hi all, Is it possible to install a live CD to a logical volume any more? Yes. I've tried repeatedly and just when I think I've got it the installer refuses to proceed.

Re: live cd install to a LV

2014-07-11 Thread Mike Wright
07/11/2014 01:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Another way is to use cloud images to bypass the installer entirely. Download a qcow2 image, do a yum update to bring it up to date, then make snapshots of that for each VM, point each VM to a different snapshot, and within each VM regenerate

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Balint Szigeti writes: « HTML content follows » On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 06:49 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Ed Greshko writes:  On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote:   Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I     know it handles the boot screen and the 

making fc20 backup

2014-07-11 Thread Jackson Byers
What I am still very uncertain : how to handle, ie backup, dirs like /dev, /proc, /sys, /srv /media, /run In the past (f14,f16) I have muddled through these somehow, but always felt I wasn't doing it quite correctly. I recall some advice e.g., just create the dir, /dev, but not its contents.?

Re: making fc20 backup

2014-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2014 03:21 PM, Jackson Byers wrote: What I am still very uncertain : how to handle, ie backup, dirs like /dev, /proc, /sys, /srv /media, /run Don't. I'm not sure about /sys and /srv, but the rest are created by the system at boot, and all you would do by restoring them would be to

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I have no idea what HW is a problem; or if it's even the hardware. Could be a race condition due to the different software packages. Different modules being started by systemd, in different order Is there a bug report? Rahul --

Re: making fc20 backup

2014-07-11 Thread Rick Stevens
On 07/11/2014 03:33 PM, Joe Zeff issued this missive: On 07/11/2014 03:21 PM, Jackson Byers wrote: What I am still very uncertain : how to handle, ie backup, dirs like /dev, /proc, /sys, /srv /media, /run Don't. I'm not sure about /sys and /srv, but the rest are created by the system at

OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread Rolf Turner
This is of course not a Fedora issue as such, but I have tried hard and without success to find answers elsewhere. And since this list has so many contributors who are *so* knowledgeable (abrasive, cranky, cryptic, but above all *knowledgeable*) I thought I would ask here. The question is

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread Rick Stevens
On 07/11/2014 04:54 PM, Rolf Turner issued this missive: This is of course not a Fedora issue as such, but I have tried hard and without success to find answers elsewhere. And since this list has so many contributors who are *so* knowledgeable (abrasive, cranky, cryptic, but above all

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/12/14 07:54, Rolf Turner wrote: This is of course not a Fedora issue as such, but I have tried hard and without success to find answers elsewhere. And since this list has so many contributors who are *so* knowledgeable (abrasive, cranky, cryptic, but above all *knowledgeable*) I

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread Rolf Turner
On 12/07/14 12:04, Rick Stevens wrote: On 07/11/2014 04:54 PM, Rolf Turner issued this missive: This is of course not a Fedora issue as such, but I have tried hard and without success to find answers elsewhere. And since this list has so many contributors who are *so* knowledgeable (abrasive,

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/11/2014 04:54 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: Has anyone any insight into why this unsubscription phenomenon should occur and how one might prevent it from occurring? That's a good question. Have you tried asking here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/thunderbird -- users mailing

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread Rolf Turner
On 12/07/14 12:14, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/12/14 07:54, Rolf Turner wrote: This is of course not a Fedora issue as such, but I have tried hard and without success to find answers elsewhere. And since this list has so many contributors who are *so* knowledgeable (abrasive, cranky, cryptic,

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread Rolf Turner
On 12/07/14 12:20, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/11/2014 04:54 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: Has anyone any insight into why this unsubscription phenomenon should occur and how one might prevent it from occurring? That's a good question. Have you tried asking here:

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread poma
On 12.07.2014 02:27, Rolf Turner wrote: On 12/07/14 12:14, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/12/14 07:54, Rolf Turner wrote: This is of course not a Fedora issue as such, but I have tried hard and without success to find answers elsewhere. And since this list has so many contributors who are *so*

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/12/14 08:27, Rolf Turner wrote: On 12/07/14 12:14, Ed Greshko wrote: Are you talking about imap folders? If so, the subscription information is kept on the server side. So, for example, when I use T-Bird on a Virtual Machine and define my existing email account all my subscribed

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread poma
On 12.07.2014 02:27, Rolf Turner wrote: So how might I upgrade to the latest version? I must confess that I am running a very elderly version of Fedora (17, to be explicit). I don't dare try to upgrade my Fedora version, given what I have read on this list about the problems that are involved

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread poma
On 11.07.2014 08:51, Fred Erickson wrote: $ systemd-analyze blame 37.724s plymouth-quit-wait.service 29.148s accounts-daemon.service 27.960s firewalld.service 27.861s avahi-daemon.service 27.720s chronyd.service Just to make you feel better

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread Doug
On 07/11/2014 11:12 PM, poma wrote: On 12.07.2014 02:27, Rolf Turner wrote: So how might I upgrade to the latest version? I must confess that I am running a very elderly version of Fedora (17, to be explicit). I don't dare try to upgrade my Fedora version, given what I have read on this list

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread Rolf Turner
On 12/07/14 14:44, Ed Greshko wrote: SNIP P. S. I am running Thunderbird 17.0.7, if that is of any relevance. It should not matterbut that is a very old version. So how might I upgrade to the latest version? I must confess that Iam running a very elderly version of Fedora (17, to be

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread poma
On 12.07.2014 06:51, Rolf Turner wrote: On 12/07/14 14:44, Ed Greshko wrote: SNIP P. S. I am running Thunderbird 17.0.7, if that is of any relevance. It should not matterbut that is a very old version. So how might I upgrade to the latest version? I must confess that Iam running a

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/12/14 12:51, Rolf Turner wrote: XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/lib64/thunderbird/libxul.so: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 Couldn't load XPCOM. Naturally I have no idea what this really means, or what if anything can be done about it. ***Is*** there anything

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-11 Thread poma
On 12.07.2014 06:51, Rolf Turner wrote: ... ***Is*** there anything that can be done about it? If so, what? Please keep it simple and explicit, if you would be so kind. I need a *recipe* --- Do this, and then this, and then this I understand a fair bit of Linux jargon, but there is a