Allegedly, on or about 11 July 2014, Mike Wright sent:
Usually there is no mouse after this happens. A return returns me
to the login screen and I can choose one of the different desktops
from there, all of which work.
Do you have a second test login to try out, one without any
configuration
Allegedly, on or about 12 July 2014, Rolf Turner sent:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird
spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders
and subfolders.
You might want to try and find out if those times coincide with your
system
Am 12.07.2014 01:10, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
Hi
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
I have no idea what HW is a problem; or if it's even the hardware.
Could be a race condition due to the different software packages.
Different modules being started by systemd,
On 12.07.2014, Rick Stevens wrote:
/proc, /sys and /dev are dynamically created at boot so backing them
up is sort of a bad idea (well, backing them up is OK but restoring them
would be bad).
Why would this be bad?
The content of those dirs is dynamically generated and of variable and
often
On 12.07.2014, Rolf Turner wrote:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird
spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and
subfolders.
[]
This is surely not an answer you would expect, but: Thunderbird is
badly suited to handle big
On Jul 12, 2014 3:57 PM, Heinz Diehl h...@fritha.org wrote:
On 12.07.2014, Rolf Turner wrote:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird
spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and
subfolders.
[]
This is surely not an answer
On 07/12/2014 08:34 AM, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 12 July 2014, Rolf Turner sent:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird
spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders
and subfolders.
You might want to try and find out if those times
On 11/07/14 21:42, Mike Wright wrote:
Hi all,
Following a recent kernel update I rebooted and can no longer use
Gnome3. I receive this error:
Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the
system can't recover. All extensions have been disabled as a precaution.
On 12/07/14 17:32, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 07/12/14 12:51, Rolf Turner wrote:
XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/lib64/thunderbird/libxul.so:
libdbus-glib-1.so.2: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
Couldn't load XPCOM.
Naturally I have no idea what this really means, or what if anything
can be done
On 12/07/14 17:41, poma wrote:
On 12.07.2014 06:51, Rolf Turner wrote:
...
***Is*** there anything that can be done about it? If so, what? Please
keep it simple and explicit, if you would be so kind. I need a *recipe*
--- Do this, and then this, and then this I understand a fair
bit of
Now that I have your attention, the background is as follows. This is a
server with only statically configured network interfaces. NetworkManager is
not installed. All network interfaces are statically configured via
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts.
The server is regularly updated to
07/11/2014 11:22 PM, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 11 July 2014, Mike Wright sent:
Usually there is no mouse after this happens. A return returns me
to the login screen and I can choose one of the different desktops
from there, all of which work.
Do you have a second test login to try
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 09:50 +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote:
The content of those dirs is dynamically generated and of variable and
often temporary nature. Thus, it shouldn't do any harm restoring them.
Restoring /proc (if such a thing is even possible) would pretty much
guarantee screwing up your
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:00:45 -0400
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Now, here's my hack, which is basically a clone of that NetworkManager
subpackage:
You're willing to invest a lot more time in systemd than
I am :-). I just put a batch of systemctl restart commands in
the rc.local file with different
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
You might want to try and find out if those times coincide with your
system operators restoring a backup to their drives. Some SysOps do
a
really half-arsed job at restore and backup, mangling things
terribly.
Though I am not
On Jul 12 10:00, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Now that I have your attention, the background is as follows. This is a
server with only statically configured network interfaces. NetworkManager is
not installed. All network interfaces are statically configured via
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts.
Corinna Vinschen writes:
On Jul 12 10:00, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Now that I have your attention, the background is as follows. This is a
server with only statically configured network interfaces. NetworkManager
is
not installed. All network interfaces are statically configured via
Tom Horsley writes:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:00:45 -0400
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Now, here's my hack, which is basically a clone of that NetworkManager
subpackage:
You're willing to invest a lot more time in systemd than
I am :-). I just put a batch of systemctl restart commands in
the
Hello,
You mean once I update to yet another kernel, things should be working
again? Would you mind explaining the reason for this hope?
Not sure about the quoted diff - I don't see how my problem is related to
backlights?
Thanks!
Best,
Oliver
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at
Hello,
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:12 PM, poma pomidorabelis...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_thinkpad_t430
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/xorg-x11-drv-intel/bugs/all
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Xorg_problems#All_bug_reports
...
output of the
So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
for a probably more detailed answer than you might get here.
Or... file a bug if you think you have found one.
Kevin Fenzi writes:
So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
for a probably more detailed answer than you might get here.
There's a very specific reason why I don't wish to do that.
Or... file a bug if you think you have
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote:
Now that I have your attention, the background is as follows. This is a
server with only statically configured network interfaces. NetworkManager is
not installed. All network interfaces are statically configured
Fedora 20 /KDE
yum -y localinstall AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm Yum does install
AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm
but when I run the command acroread the Adobereader won't start and
nothing shows in /var/log/messages.
I Downloaded the AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.bin and installed it
On 07/12/2014 02:07 PM, Mickey wrote:
Fedora 20 /KDE
yum -y localinstall AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm Yum does install
AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm
but when I run the command acroread the Adobereader won't start and
nothing shows in /var/log/messages.
I Downloaded the
On Jul 12 12:01, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Corinna Vinschen writes:
[something]
This is certainly a valid workaround for the bug.
But this wasn't my point. I am looking for validation, based on the data I
posted, that systemd's dependency resolution is broken.
[...]
Hmm, ok. Let's try.
On 07/12/14 09:43, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
for a probably more detailed answer than you might get here.
Or... file a bug if you think you have found one.
I've got a new HP laptop running Windows 8.1, with uefi boot. I've
shrunk the windows partition, so I have 500+ gigs free.
I've dl'd the F20 Xfce Live iso. I checked the sha256, which matched.
I've got a 2gig usb stick. I followed the instructions on
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:37:28 -0400
sean darcy seandar...@gmail.com wrote:
I've got a new HP laptop running Windows 8.1, with uefi boot. I've
shrunk the windows partition, so I have 500+ gigs free.
I've dl'd the F20 Xfce Live iso. I checked the sha256, which matched.
I've got a 2gig usb
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Edward M wrote:
On 07/12/14 09:43, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
for a probably more detailed answer than you might get here.
Or... file a bug if you think you have
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:05:59 -0400
Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote:
Kevin Fenzi writes:
So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
for a probably more detailed answer than you might get here.
There's a
Allegedly, on or about 12 July 2014, Mike Wright sent:
Tried that this AM and it didn't work but an error message popped up
long enough to see that it had a problem with
gnome-shell-3.10.4-6.fc20.
Yum erase/install gnome-shell gnome-tweak-tool and all is well in
happy land.
Hmm, I don't
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 18:43:34 + (UTC)
Bill Oliver ven...@billoblog.com wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Edward M wrote:
On 07/12/14 09:43, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
for a probably
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 04:21:06 +0930
Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 12 July 2014, Mike Wright sent:
...snip...
Rhetorical question of the day: Why are gnome3's hidden
directories named .gnome2 ?
I don't think it does.
gnome3 (along with most other
Tom H writes:
NetworkManager-wait-online.service has:
begin
After=NetworkManager.service
Wants=network.target
Before=network.target network-online.target
/end
Perhaps you should replicate that in wait-for-network.service for it
to behave as you intend it.
I assume that you can replicate
Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com writes:
What would you suggest people do when they find a bug? Reporting it
to the people who can fix it is very much more likely to get it
fixed or worked around than complaining about it in a place where no
one will fix it.
Seeing the recent reactions in this
On 12.07.2014, Bill Oliver wrote:
But then, I guess Gentoo is the only distro left
that hasn't adopted systemd, or will be doing so shortly.
You could run Arch with openrc..
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On 7/12/2014 2:40 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:37:28 -0400
sean darcy seandar...@gmail.com wrote:
I've got a new HP laptop running Windows 8.1, with uefi boot. I've
shrunk the windows partition, so I have 500+ gigs free.
I've dl'd the F20 Xfce Live iso. I checked the sha256,
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:52:30 -0400
sean darcy seandar...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the response.
Not sure how else to verify the download. I ran sha256sum, and it
matched
https://fedoraproject.org/en/static/checksums/Fedora-Live-x86_64-20-CHECKSUM.
If I use dd, will that boot under
On 07/12/2014 12:52 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
I'm affected by a systemd bug, that I have no intention of
reporting. My workaround takes me far less time, than getting through
the endless layers of fanboys would.
You don't care, then, that if you're affected by this bug others are and
On 12 Jul 2014 21:52:22 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller we...@wegge.dk wrote:
Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com writes:
What would you suggest people do when they find a bug? Reporting it
to the people who can fix it is very much more likely to get it
fixed or worked around than complaining about
Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us writes:
On 07/12/2014 12:52 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
I'm affected by a systemd bug, that I have no intention of
reporting. My workaround takes me far less time, than getting through
the endless layers of fanboys would.
You don't care, then, that if you're
On 07/12/2014 01:20 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
Why bother? When trying to diagnose the problem, I found several
well-documented bug reports with the soame contet. Some were almost
old enough to get rid of their diapers. They haven't been resolved, so
why should I spend time on another
Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com writes:
On 12 Jul 2014 21:52:22 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller we...@wegge.dk wrote:
Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com writes:
What would you suggest people do when they find a bug? Reporting it
to the people who can fix it is very much more likely to get it
On 12 Jul 2014 22:24:13 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller we...@wegge.dk wrote:
I'm not following your logic here.
Given 2 ways of reacting to a bug:
A) complain about it on a users mailing list that few developers
follow.
B) report a bug on it that developers will see and be able to
Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us writes:
On 07/12/2014 01:20 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
Why bother? When trying to diagnose the problem, I found several
well-documented bug reports with the soame contet. Some were almost
old enough to get rid of their diapers. They haven't been resolved, so
HI
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:
Reminds me of this oldie:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1006386
I was looking for a bug report against Plymouth that is current.
Rahul
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Kevin Fenzi writes:
On 12 Jul 2014 22:24:13 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller we...@wegge.dk wrote:
I'm not following your logic here.
Given 2 ways of reacting to a bug:
A) complain about it on a users mailing list that few developers
follow.
B) report a bug on it that developers will see
On 07/12/2014 11:43 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:
I really am starting to see this as an example of the Microsoft-ish
philosophy of tell the users where they must go and let them catch up
as they can. It works when the users don't have any other choice. But
then, I guess Gentoo is the only distro
On 07/12/2014 01:34 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
In this case, the wheel will get a pail of water, when the squeek
starts smoldering. So - even if I jinx my effort by stating the
intention - my best option is angst-inducing vague posts on a
non-technical mailing list.
I may well be wrong,
On 12.07.2014, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
C) Report a bug and be ignored, told to fsck off to someplace else,
and be ridiculed to boot.
I fully understand your reaction.
I reported a (quite different) bug with systemd and got zero
response. After some (longer) time, I finally got a
Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com writes:
I think that systemd should not be fixed. I think it should be
dumped, and replaced. It's fundamentally broken, even without this
latest fallout. So, why would I want to report systemd bugs, and
help improve it? I can't think of any reason why I'd
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:45:56 -0700
Joe Zeff wrote:
put in
what you think an old-school linux should have and call it Steampunk
Linux to grab a bit of glamour
No, call it potskedeerf linux, and make the guiding principle
be that nothing advocated by freedesktop is included in the
distro :-).
Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us writes:
On 07/12/2014 01:34 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
In this case, the wheel will get a pail of water, when the squeek
starts smoldering. So - even if I jinx my effort by stating the
intention - my best option is angst-inducing vague posts on a
non-technical
On 12 Jul 2014 22:59:31 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller we...@wegge.dk wrote:
Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com writes:
I think that systemd should not be fixed. I think it should be
dumped, and replaced. It's fundamentally broken, even without this
latest fallout. So, why would I want to
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 07/12/2014 11:43 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:
I really am starting to see this as an example of the Microsoft-ish
philosophy of tell the users where they must go and let them catch up
as they can. It works when the users don't have any other choice. But
On 12.07.2014 15:28, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 12/07/14 17:41, poma wrote:
On 12.07.2014 06:51, Rolf Turner wrote:
...
***Is*** there anything that can be done about it? If so, what? Please
keep it simple and explicit, if you would be so kind. I need a *recipe*
--- Do this, and then this, and
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:13:12 -0400
Mickey binary...@comcast.net wrote:
On 07/12/2014 02:07 PM, Mickey wrote:
Fedora 20 /KDE
yum -y localinstall AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm Yum does
install AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm
but when I run the command acroread the Adobereader
On 07/12/2014 02:10 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:
Yeah, I know. Thanks for that useful suggestion.
Any time. And, I wasn't even intending to be sarcastic. I wanted to
point out that, unlike Windows, if you don't like the way Linux works,
you're free in every sense of the word to Do Something
On 12.07.2014 18:34, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
Hello,
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:12 PM, poma pomidorabelis...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_thinkpad_t430
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/xorg-x11-drv-intel/bugs/all
On 07/12/14 21:18, Rolf Turner wrote:
Nearly there I think. I downloaded the second tarball (I *do* prefer British
English) and unpacked it; I cd-ed to the resulting thunderbird directory and
executed ./thunderbird. The program started OK --- I am now using it (i.e. I
am using thunderbird
Hi,
how long do the moderators intend to delay my messages?
It seems that the code of conduct the moderators are referring to
actually means that everyone who disagrees will be silenced. If that is
so, just say so.
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:55:51 +0200
lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote:
Hi,
how long do the moderators intend to delay my messages?
If you are referring to the ones in the 'why do we use systemd?' thread
then I suspect it's forever, as that thread was closed.
It seems that the code of conduct
On 07/12/2014 05:24 PM, bitlord wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:13:12 -0400
Mickey binary...@comcast.net wrote:
On 07/12/2014 02:07 PM, Mickey wrote:
Fedora 20 /KDE
yum -y localinstall AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm Yum does
install AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm
but when I run the
On 13/07/14 03:37, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
You might want to try and find out if those times coincide with your
system operators restoring a backup to their drives. Some SysOps do
a
really half-arsed job at restore and backup,
On 13/07/14 12:14, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 07/13/14 07:35, Rolf Turner wrote:
Yes, I had to muck around a bit to get Adobe Reader installed; yum
didn't directly work (probably because my Fedora 17 is EOL).
According to notes that I kept, the recipe (found somewhere on the
web) that I used was:
On 13/07/14 09:11, poma wrote:
SNIP
Always try to contact the admins if there are problems.
It is always good practice.
I have in the past not found the U. of Auckland IT people to be very
helpful. They don't like the fact that I am using my own laptop on
which I have superuser privileges
On 07/13/14 08:32, Rolf Turner wrote:
Now, you probably will run into a bit of difficulty or
inconvenience.You have 2 copies of t-bird installed. One is well integrated
with
Fedora. The other not. So, if you were to click on a mailto: link in a
web page, the older version of T-Bird will
Hi Sam,
I don't know anything about Systemd, nor have I read the rest of
the responses to this, but just looking at the logical interpretation of
your named-chroot.service statements it seems to me that you are
requesting that named-chroot.service be started after network.target but
Hi Mickey,
This might be a moot point, but have you tried deleting the
adobereader profile in your home directory, which fixed my 9.5.5 64bit
reader problem when its execution produced errors about being unable to
read a file?
regards,
Steve
On 07/13/2014 09:37 AM, Mickey wrote:
On
Stephen Morris writes:
Hi Sam,
I don't know anything about Systemd, nor have I read the rest of the
responses to this, but just looking at the logical interpretation of your
named-chroot.service statements it seems to me that you are requesting that
Well, technically it's not my
07/12/2014 11:55 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 04:21:06 +0930
Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 12 July 2014, Mike Wright sent:
...snip...
Rhetorical question of the day: Why are gnome3's hidden
directories named .gnome2 ?
I don't think it does.
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