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sider these decisions being done in isolation.
What does /var/log/README say about this? I haven't read it in forever
but there is a README there that explains these changes. I wonder if
it does, or should if it doesn't, describe how to revert back to the
old behavior by installing rsyslo
a socket; so if an
rsyslog log doesn't have what you're looking for, but it is in the
journal, then rsyslog is filtering it. journald doesn't filter
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logrotate-3.8.7-4.fc21.x86_64 is already installed by default with
Fedora 21 Workstation. I don't know why, seems unnecessary. But it's
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it's the only option. Most cars come with RF
fobs these days, not keys, so now the fob is the only option. My
parents and friends with new cars in the last few years, no keyholes
in the car anywhere, car did not come with a key. It's a fob with a
battery in it. Battery dies, you can&#x
auses the journal to
be written to /run/log/journal instead of to disk, while allowing
rsyslog to manage /var/log/messages like you're used to.
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way around this. But now we're deep in
multiboot weeds...
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boot option uses a nohostonly initramfs which should boot on
most any hardware.
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 4:12 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> On Feb 28, 2015 3:37 AM, "Angelo Moreschini"
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I tried with e2fsck -f /dev/sdc1
>> but I got the message:
>
> Buried in my long first reply:
> "booting
gt; WARNING!!! The filesystem is mounted. If you continue you ***WILL***
> cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage.
>
> Of curse I didn't continue...
>
> How I have to do this test ?
> Have I to boot the computer using some utility that didn't need the hard
disk ?
>
ur cumulative knowledge base.
Quite.
> I can attest that I once lost a volume that was so important to me that I
> got sick to my stomach. I am loathe to wish that upon anyone.
Backups!
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This inquiry was cross posted here:
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2015-February/150351.html
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filesystem (metadata) is dup on single drive (except SSD) and raid1 on
multiple devices. So while you lose files (data) on the missing drive,
the fs itself is intact and will even mount normally.
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2003. GNOME 3.15.90 (Fedora 22)
walks rather than run. It's not usable for production purposes, I'd
probably use xfce or lxde for that, but it makes a decent test server.
I'd guess it was around Fedora 14/15 that this laptop usably ran
GNOME.
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> On 02/26/2015 07:26 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Ralf Corsepius
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/25/2015 09:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> If peo
t;
>
>
> so I should do :
> e2fsck -f /dev/sdc1
> and after
> e2fsck -f /dev/sdc2
Yes for sdc1, but not for sdc2 which is an LVM PV. You need to do
e2fsck -f /dev/mapper/fedora/root
Thing is, at the rd break, it might not be active. Check with blkid.
If not, then
vgchange -ay
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 09:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> If people aren't actually going to test what we have, and file bug
>> report,
>
> If you want to see this thing fixed, tested and see bug reports, then
> pu
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 03:27 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> But no, you were just being a discourteous
>> person.
>
>
> Actually, until you made it clear that one of your main reasons for posting
> was to create dissension,
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 03:15 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> No, my posts are designed to hold people accountable for things they
>> say, and insist they provide facts, not mere opinions. If that demand
>> just so happens to cause the
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> THAT'S THE F'N DEFINITION OF TROLLING. FACTLESS!
>
>
> No, trolling is making posts designed to get other people angry and cause
> dissention, which you'v
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 02:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> No in fact I love being wrong, it means I get to learn something new
>> and I value that more than being right. But shadenfreude is delicious,
>> so I also like causing
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 02:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> So 75+ emails on a thread about how the installer can't do what you
>> want, and it's actually based on uncertainty? You need more Pai Mei in
>> your lif
p://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/21/html/Installation_Guide/sect-installation-gui-manual-partitioning.html
Starting with "To discard all changes..."
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 01:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> I refuse your premise. The feature requesters have no champion
>> offering to even create this hypothetical Expert Mode, therefore no
>> one is refusing to patch bugs
F19.
I don't know what custom function you're referring to that's in F19,
but not F18 or F20.
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 12:14 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> One single button with 4000 lines of code behind it. You assume that
>> providing full control in a GUI just happens magically as if that work
>> is already done
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/24/2015 05:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ralf Corsepius
>> wrote:
>
>
>>> Similar restriction apply elsewhere. E.g. I have an older BIOS system
>>> w
#x27;m hearing, I'd recommend no go. Instead, please put
these resources into accessibility. I'd rather make life easier for
the vision impaired before spending more resources coddling so called
power users who won't/can't use CLI tools or kickstart and want to
produce questi
the drive to recover this data. If not, at
the very least, again if it's a bad sector, you'll get something in dmesg
that's explicitly a read error and will have an LBA associated with it. Now
you can find out what file's data is on that LBA using debugfs and
reinstall t
ow to
> manually partition their drives.
Nor should they. Check the partitioning of a mobile device, it has
more than a dozen partitions, the user doesn't need to be involved in
this at all yet they benefit. It is possible to have an overall better
experience, faster development, less bugs,
ies: "A tool which doesn't suffice my needs, will not
> be my choice and will loose me as a customer"
Yes, but it's a 60+ email thread and the people complaining about
Anaconda Manual Partitioning, especially the "custom isn't custom"
claim, haven't produced
hat layout the installer
won't let them create; or won't use once precreated elsewhere.
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for archive (backup) better than checkpoint
> (detached mirror)??
For one, achive≠backup≠raid. For two, the backup needs to be on its
own filesystem, and on a separate device. And this is an example of
neither, because the fs is the same, and the logical block device is
actual
e installer - yum upgrade - fedup or whatever its next incarnation
> might be!
Well as yet not neurotic enough if you aren't doing backups, yet so
worried about your /home data you think it's going to be the installer
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/23/2015 01:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> And you have backups right? Because by definition it's not important
>> unless you have backups.
>
>
> First, I'd like to point out that just because the i
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/23/2015 12:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> If you really want partitions, why aren't you doing this with gparted
>> then? What's the problem with that workflow? Why do you need it
>> integrated in Anac
nd then sacrificing a goat under a full moon on the Nazca plains.
You're right, you've found a bug. That's definitely the wrong
ritualistic incantation to compel the installer to be permissive of a
bad idea it can't possibly understand.
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> To delete and existing /opt or /home requires explicit user
> intervention for this to happen. It doesn't happen by itself. You have
> to a.) click the mount point, b.) click the minus (-) button to
> indicate you want
se, once "Begin
Installation" has been clicked and on-disk changes have already been
made.
Better to pre-fail than fail later. And it's not like I've seen anyone
(except me) post bugs demonstrating their installer failure cases.
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And you have backups right? Because by definition it's not important
unless you have backups.
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here are
> other standalone GUI partitioning tools that exist.
If you really want partitions, why aren't you doing this with gparted
then? What's the problem with that workflow? Why do you need it
integrated in Anaconda?
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what they want.
People who aren't filing bugs, who aren't contributing code, want
what? If the use case is viable, and helps a large percent of users,
then I think this could be done. But please feel free to be specific,
rather than generally casting the installer with a broad brus
" which is somewhat
related. The gist is that this possibility should be de-emphasized, if
not unsupported. The fact environments show up (non-hidden) in yum/dnf
group list suggests (to me) that this is intentional, but it turns out
this is an aberration that ought to be fixed, as in hide it.
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Matthew Miller
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> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:23:45AM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> Curiously, Anaconda calls authconfig to create the key, and the resulting
>> shadow entry contains a 16 character salt. Whereas passwd uses an 8
>> ch
n /etc/shadow,
so that too is self describing. I'd expect that jtr can directly parse
these variants in /etc/passwd, but I haven't tested it.
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On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 03:05 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> Yes. Matthew already mentioned that. The exception is that the
>> installer insists on root fs being formatted by the installer.
>
>
> I see no problem with that.
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
>> And their installers are completely, totally, bullet proof. They don't
>> ever crash, or ask the user
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 02:01 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> If
>> you, who seems to care about such things so much, won't do that work,
>> then why should anyone else do it?
>
>
> I haven't done any progra
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 01:37 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> Well you're not going to convince me that highly unusual requirements
>> is a valid reason for someone else to do the monumental amount of work
>> to get a GUI inst
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 01:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> I completely disagree. More custom, more flexibility, in a GUI
>> installer, is a trap. It directly leads to unnecessary design work,
>> coding work, maintenance
on. So if FreeBSD allows it, that's probably why,
they aren't using linux. Windows NTFS also has a configurable block
size above 4KB, as does OS X's HFS+. Different kernels.
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where I didn't want it to have, but also the partition
> numbers itself get replaced while configuring.
Like I keep saying, any notion the installer gives you the ability to
create partitions is an illusion. If there's a case for partitions
being in a certain order, for everyone, then
e layouts and hence
ways to boot the system. It's a big circular "let's make more work for
ourselves" extravaganza.
But then, funny enough, if it weren't for that, we maybe wouldn't have
projects like Fedora Atomic which is really quite cool.
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s block sizes, right now on Linux the block size can't be
larger than page size, which on x86 is 4096 bytes. Btrfs gets around
this somewhat with a 4KB blocksize, while defaulting to 16KB nodesize.
I'm not sure of the upper limit, I've tested 64KB nodesizes.
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> On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> There's no actual advantage of primary partitions on linux anyway.
>> Extlinux depends on primary partitions, but GRUB doesn't.
>
> The thing is that I no longer have
primary partitions on linux anyway. Extlinux depends on primary
partitions, but GRUB doesn't.
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On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Matthew Miller
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> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 06:07:18PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> I read this:
>> http://www.aychedee.com/2012/03/14/etc_shadow-password-hash-formats/
>> But Fedora doesn't have mkpasswd by default, whereas pass
d.c before asking.
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But Fedora doesn't have mkpasswd by default, whereas passwd seems to
only update shadow rather than outputting to stdout. And if there's a
salt used I can't tell how that would be referenced.
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>Or could the firmware at power on not
> actually supply the firmware with LBA0 contents to execute but some
> arbitrary code (possibly even stored on hidden sectors on the drive)
> that acts as a persistent bootkit?
Oops. Rewrit
e and being easily
able to decrypt the contents. Or could the firmware at power on not
actually supply the firmware with LBA0 contents to execute but some
arbitrary code (possibly even stored on hidden sectors on the drive)
that acts as a persistent bootkit?
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LBA, then there could be a problem where the boot partition begins
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ll curious about the *-0-rescue-* kernel. It is quite large.
> Is it really necessary?
If you delete it I'm pretty sure new-kernel-pkg causes one to be
rebuilt the next time there's a kernel update. What big is the rescue
initramfs, it's about 3x larger because it's a nohostonly
ug reports or
this stuff isn't going to get better any faster.
(A tiny point is that some firmware can tolerate BIOS+GPT, meanwhile
others faceplant, so either just use MBR or be prepared to test GPT.)
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l efibootmgr, shim
and grub2-efi packages, update fstab, run grub2-mkconfig, change grub
symlink to point to new grub.cfg location so grubby can find it, run
dracut, and that ought to just about do it.
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d to resize and move the partition immediately after this
/boot one by 300MB, thereby allow you to grow the current /boot to
500M. I think this is a bit nutty.
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On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
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>
> Chris Murphy writes:
>> Is this delayed behavior reproducible in a shell running journalctl -f
>> ? Or only happens with the script log?
>
> I guess I need to get off my duff and run that test.
>
>&g
7;ll get better
help from systemd-devel@.
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> seems more likely to be the culprit, hence the subject line.
I haven't seen this. If you quit and then issue a new journalctl -f,
do you see a bunch of things that previously weren't there with
(approximately) current time? It might be a bug worth inquiring about
on systemd-d
usual case at install time
is that grub2-mkconfig makes this entry as well as for the regularly
named kernel and hostonly initramfs; grubby doesn't really have a role
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use that same grubby command manually, but add --debug flag and
see what it's complaining about.
What filesystem is /boot on?
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lformed boot entries from
scratch is upstream's idea of multibooting...
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g, it will have an empty
30_os-prober section.
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more information by editing
/etc/grub.d/30_os-prober and adding to the top:
set -v
set -x
And then rerun 'bash -x grub2-mkconfig'. The output will likely be a
lot longer. This very well could be a bug.
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What's the output from
rpm -q grub2
bash -x grub2-mkconfig
Try to post the entire thing to the forum. If it bounces back, then
stick the text file up somewhere and provide the URL.
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On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
>
> grub2-mkconfig find systems which do not exist
> For example it find a partition root=/dev/mapper/VolGrpSys0-root
> which does not exist
> Where is kept VolGrpSys0?
What output do you get from os-prober?
before systemd can actually complete the poweroff.
Whereas poweroff -f skips all the normal nice quit sequence of
services and goes straight to telling the kernel to power off the
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On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/05/2015 08:38 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Ralf Corsepius
>> wrote:
>
>
>> So the way to do it in the summary is basically: All these ways to
>> shutdown actual
oot (examples), but poweroff -f works
correctly. Following
http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/#index2h1
attached is shutdown-log.txt.
Chances are you can look in that file and figure out what the problem
is, what component to file the bug for. But if it's not obvious you
cou
s,
problems, or bonuses. For example on one of my computers, CSM/BIOS
boot results in the SSD being treated as an IDE drive, and performs at
best 1/4 of the performance when I boot in UEFI mode. Most of the
video problems in UEFI boot that have been resolved by enabling
CSM/BIOS mode are solved, b
http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/#index2h1
If power is shut off, then you've got some shutdown script or unit
actually instigating the reboot, and this can probably be logged by
following the instructions in the URL above.
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'll take a while to time out to get to this failure
also).
If you still get a boot delay and ultimately a failure looking for
this device, rebuild the initramfs with dracut -f.
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unmount it. Then you need to close it.
cryptsetup luksClose luks-ab8911f9-b3a4-4f33-8b10-7e52c7217ae9
Now you can wipefs the md127 device, then stop the array, then wipe
the members of the array.
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for
everyone. Longer term more integration happens once kdbus lands, so
there's a way for containerized applications to do things like
copy-paste between them, and more sophisticated data sharing and
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and wipe the mdadm superblock signature. That ought to fix
the problem unless there's also LVM stuff going on here too.
The --backup isn't strictly necessary but will write out a file and
instructions on how to restore what it wipes in case you get the
command wrong and wipe the wrong de
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 3:22 PM, poma wrote:
> On 01.02.2015 21:41, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:28 PM, poma wrote:
>>> On 01.02.2015 18:50, antonio wrote:
>>
>>>> correct, it was working in F20, but only if you were installing a new
&g
tting IPP.
I posted a message on desktop@ whether there should be a printing
related release criteria.
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s and usually journal playback is sufficient to
make the file system consistent again. The whole idea of journals is
to obviate the need for (most, not all) filesystem checks or repairs.
So if you have to do it often it'l make me think something else is
wrong that's causing file syst
@ so the Workstation WG is
aware of it. A brief search of desktop@ doesn't bring up printing
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> Chris Murphy writes:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Trying to upgrade to fedora 21. I did:
>> > mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom
>> > fedu
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filesystems, then you can use guestfish to access the image's
filesystem to run fsck. Guestfish is in libguestfs-tools package.
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I just had time to see something like
> Failed to mount
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1185607
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> OK,
>
> I am going to try.
> However, I donot have the network in text mode.
>
> how can I start the network in text mode?
nmcli d wifi connect password
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po so you could try
that. And if you're brave you can go to koji and download a current
3.19 build which will have a bunch of debugging options enabled that
might have some chance of further revealing the problem well enough
for a bug report at least.
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t;
> what we can do with the prompt (boot : ) that comes when we type "escape"
> from the "iso installation disc CD" ?
http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX
Creating a Bootable Disk
"SYSLINUX will display a LILO-style "boot:" prompt. The user can th
ype GUID in which case they don't need fstab entries at
all.
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r kickstarts, crashing if things aren't
exactly spot on is probably permitted criteria wise. I'm not saying
it's OK that it crashes, it's just that exception handling takes some
coding either to parse the kickstart and reject it from the start, or
some sort of
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