Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-17 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/17/2011 8:42 PM, g wrote: ok, to deal with bios upgrade. does you bios boot show screens or a graphic banner? does bios have ability to show 'detail' screens during boot? if so, boot in that mode to see what is there. some will give an option of 'other' or something to that effect.

Re: [ABANDONING:] Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-17 Thread Paul Allen Newell
inline On 12/17/2011 10:02 PM, g wrote: -=- it is a sham/shame that stores do not have techs with more knowledge than what they do. even tho most all systems are sold with oos, there are still some that sell with linux. therefore, give thought to set up a user home for tech to use and remove

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-17 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/17/2011 10:41 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: A couple of notes for this thread. Some BIOS's will not show the option for booting from a USB device if the device isn't plugged in when first booted. I have 2005 ASUS motherboards in my classroom that do this. I've also seen some newer

Re: [ABANDONING:] Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-17 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/17/2011 11:10 PM, g wrote: On 12/18/2011 06:31 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: They'll get thunderbird, but no email (if they want it, I'll have to have a reason). -=- thunderbird is email. firefox is web browser. tho, if they are savvy, linux file browsers can be used for web browser

Re: Fedora 16's Performance

2011-12-14 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/14/2011 6:31 PM, Alan Stern wrote: Mail clients differ. It's quite possible that yours would filter out duplicate addresses and somebody else's would not. (It's also possible that the list server would filter duplicates.) As another test, I'm also putting the Fedora list into both the

Re: Big email mess ! How do I clean it up ? (Evolution, Thunderbird, maildir, mbox)

2011-12-14 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/14/2011 9:04 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/15/2011 12:58 PM, Linux Guy wrote: Long story short. I have several thousand maildir emails in about 10 directories in Evolution. I need to get them into existing directories in Thunderbird which uses mbox format. How ? I thankfully haven't

Re: Big email mess ! How do I clean it up ? (Evolution, Thunderbird, maildir, mbox)

2011-12-14 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/14/2011 9:26 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/15/2011 01:16 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: I use mb2md in conjunction with clamav, so I am presuming there is a reverse? It there is, it goes by a more obscure name [egreshko@meimei Processed]$ yum whatprovides *bin/mb2md Loaded plugins

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk ... additional question

2011-12-13 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/12/2011 11:13 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: Perhaps the best option to look at it. http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/#screenshots Michael: Much better, thanks for the additional info Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk ... additional question

2011-12-13 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/13/2011 5:22 AM, John Aldrich wrote: Quoting Michael D. Setzer II mi...@kuentos.guam.net: Perhaps the best option to look at it. http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/#screenshots Let me say I have used G4L at a previous employer to do backups of

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk ... additional question

2011-12-13 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/13/2011 5:42 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: Paul, My advice is to keep it simple. Burn the Clonezilla LiveĀ¹ ISO to a CD/DVD and use it to save an image of the current hard drive to the USB drive. Step-by-step directions for saving and restoring the imageĀ² are provided. I've been following

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-13 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/13/2011 9:27 AM, g wrote: back to the begining. thread has gotten so long, this is easier than finding my post that i know caused you more confusion. in that post, i stated to install 'partedmagic' on a usb stick; http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=creating_the_liveusb and add

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell
[NOTE: there is a question at the end if you want to skip my reply to all the emails posted] To all who have responded, many thanks. There were alot of queries to go through and I am only now at a point that I can take first look at them as a collective suggestion. I wanted to clarify a

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk ... additional question

2011-12-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/12/2011 9:11 AM, g wrote: On 12/12/2011 02:27 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: hello michael, i am glad you follow this list. As the current maintainer of G4L since about 2004, I'm not sure which version is included with partedmagic, but the latest release version on sourceforge has

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/12/2011 8:13 PM, g wrote: On 12/13/2011 03:37 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: My two questions are ... am I correct in assuming that after I create the stick that I can boot off it to test that it is a working copy? -=- correct. if you use a 32 gb memory stick, you can put 'partedmagic

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk ... additional question

2011-12-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/12/2011 9:15 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: On 12 Dec 2011 at 19:41, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Date sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:41:21 -0800 From: Paul Allen Newellpnew...@cs.cmu.edu To: Community support for Fedora users users

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-12 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/12/2011 9:40 PM, g wrote: [...] -=- apoligies for confusing you. if michael advises against pulling g4l files out of iso image, partition usb stick. 1 for partedmagic, 1 for g4l, 1 for clone backup. G: Let me reply tomorrow, thanks in advance Paul -- users mailing list

fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-11 Thread Paul Allen Newell
I have been following the fedora causes laptop to overheat as my HP dv6500 is showing signs of malfunctioning, potentially an overheating issue. Display flickers, part of it get dim, and then it goes black. Computer is still up and running as I can ssh into it. I've looked into the BIOS

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-11 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/11/2011 10:18 PM, g wrote: On 12/12/2011 05:54 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Before I consider actually doing it, I wanted to ask if there is the equivalent of a recovery disk that I can create with k3b so, -=- not a 'recovery disk', but i will suggest getting 'parted magic

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-11 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/11/2011 10:24 PM, g wrote: *oops* Appreciate the catch on the typo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk

2011-12-11 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/11/2011 10:25 PM, jarmo wrote: sunnuntai, 11. joulukuuta 2011 21:54:28 Paul Allen Newell kirjoitti: I have been following the fedora causes laptop to overheat as my HP dv6500 is showing signs of malfunctioning, potentially an overheating I think, this is not Fedora issue. It is computer

Re: fedora equivalent of recovery disk ... additional question

2011-12-11 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/11/2011 10:29 PM, g wrote: On 12/12/2011 06:27 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 12/11/2011 10:24 PM, g wrote: *oops* Appreciate the catch on the typo lol. welcome. G: I went through the clonezilla page and liked what I saw until I hit: +++ Recovery Clonezilla live with multiple

Re: Fedora 16 preupgrade problem?

2011-12-03 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/02/2011 03:29 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: I have a test machine with Fedora 15 x86_64 and ran preupgrade and all seemed to go fine. But after reboot, it comes up with the grub menu and option to upgrade to 16, but then selecting it just results in a blinking cursor in the upper left.

Re: K3B burning problem

2011-12-03 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/03/2011 10:38 PM, david walcroft wrote: On 12/04/2011 02:33 PM, Craig White wrote: Places to check for errors... [...] Craig I have looked in 'dmesg' and '/var/log/messages',there are no error messages. I tried the remove and reinstall trick but nothing changed. Thanks

Re: K3B burning problem

2011-12-03 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/03/2011 11:17 PM, david walcroft wrote: I have just upgraded from FC12 where it worked reasonably. david David: Thanks for the info. Through this list, I learned about k3b and installed it on F14. I haven't had any problems. I am offering this info if there does prove to be a problem

Re: Hello to everyone

2011-12-01 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/1/2011 12:44 PM, g wrote: On 12/01/2011 08:13 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: Also, I'm a tad curious if anybody else had the same reaction before reading it. --- no. including fact that he posted html. linuxisone aka linux tyro. I've been on other lists where it is courtesy to say hello

question on gdb

2011-11-28 Thread Paul Allen Newell
Community: I am trying to run gdb on a program that is crashing and I am getting messages of: +++ Missing separate debuginfos, use debug-install glibc-2.13.2.x86_64 libgcc-4.5.1.fc14.x86_64 libg++-4.5.1.fc14.x86_64 libstdc++-4.5.1.fc14.x86_64 --- Googling is not giving me anything that I

Re: question on gdb

2011-11-28 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/28/2011 12:46 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: It's telling you to install the debug pkgs, which are not already installed. as the line says use debug-install glibc-2.13.2.x86_64 etc.. Frank: Thanks for the reply. That is what I thought as well, but I couldn't see anything with yum -list. I am

[SOLVED] Re: question on gdb

2011-11-28 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/28/2011 1:09 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: at the prompt ~$ debuginfo-install pkgname Aside: With F14 eol in 2 weeks is it worth it? Maybe see if F15 has the same crash? Frank: Well, since I was looking for debuginfo-install as something yum would list, I would have never gotten close to

question regarding f16 under various DEs

2011-11-26 Thread Paul Allen Newell
Fedora-list: Since fc5, I have always downloaded an iso of the full image of Fedora w/ Gnome. Given the emails on f15 and now f16, I am interested in looking at alternatives to Gnome. After much clicking through the Fedora site, it appears to me that only f16 w/ Gnome has a direct download

Re: question regarding f16 under various DEs

2011-11-26 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/26/2011 11:14 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Paul Allen Newellpnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: Fedora-list: Since fc5, I have always downloaded an iso of the full image of Fedora w/ Gnome. Given the emails on f15 and now f16, I am interested in looking at

[SOLVED]: Re: question regarding f16 under various DEs

2011-11-26 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/26/2011 11:27 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Paul Allen Newellpnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: If the one install DVD has all of the DEs (gnome, kde, xfce, and lxde), how does one tell the installation process which one to use? This may be pure newbie on my

[SOLVED:] k3b [WAS: Re: gnomebaker [WAS: Re: question(s) on Brasero (maybe bug)]]

2011-11-06 Thread Paul Allen Newell
I have submitted a bug on k3b regarding crashing on simulate write when an actual burn works. Aside from that, it works great (in my opinion, better than brasero and/or gnomebaker). I'm still playing to make sure I am 100% certain, but I think I've got another item checked off on the list of

Re: gnomebaker [WAS: Re: question(s) on Brasero (maybe bug)]

2011-11-05 Thread Paul Allen Newell
, Paul Allen Newellpnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: On 11/4/2011 8:26 PM, fred smith wrote: On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 08:24:39PM -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 11/4/2011 8:22 PM, fred smith wrote: You CAN do yum install k3b and it'll install the necessary KDE bits along with k3b. that's the way I

Re: gnomebaker [WAS: Re: question(s) on Brasero (maybe bug)]

2011-11-05 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/5/2011 5:19 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: No problem. yum will take care of dependencies when you install it, and it should run fine. For example, I'm writing this in Evolution, even though I run KDE as my desktop (i.e. the other way round). poc Poc: I would agree but as I've got a

Re: gnomebaker [WAS: Re: question(s) on Brasero (maybe bug)]

2011-11-05 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/5/2011 4:19 AM, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: The find command will easily determine the longest path in your directory tree. If ~/foo is the root of the tree that you want to burn, try: $ cd ~/foo $ find . -print ../paths.txt Awhile back I'd written a python script to

Re: question(s) on Brassero (maybe bug)

2011-11-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/4/2011 4:53 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: I normally use GnomeBreaker to burn CD/DVDs. The windows compatibility mode (Juliet file system) is enabled by default. So is the Rockridge file system for Linux name support. You can still read CD/DVDs without the Rockridge file system. Linux

gnomebaker [WAS: Re: question(s) on Brassero (maybe bug)]

2011-11-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/4/2011 3:18 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 11/4/2011 4:53 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: I normally use GnomeBreaker to burn CD/DVDs. [...] Mikkel - -- Mikkel: Thanks for advice. I am presuming you meant Gnomebaker, not Gnomebreaker? [...] Paul Gnomebaker is not going

Re: gnomebaker [WAS: Re: question(s) on Brasero (maybe bug)]

2011-11-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/4/2011 6:51 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I've not been following this thread, but is try k3b too obvious? (apart from pointing out that it's Brasero, not Brassero). poc Poc: My bad on spelling of Brasero ... thank you for correction. As for k3b, its for KDE if I am correct? I'm on

Re: gnomebaker [WAS: Re: question(s) on Brasero (maybe bug)]

2011-11-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/4/2011 8:22 PM, fred smith wrote: You CAN do yum install k3b and it'll install the necessary KDE bits along with k3b. that's the way I always do it. Fred: I was unaware that kde packages could operate under gnome and vice versa? No conflicts in doing such? Thanks, Paul -- users

Re: gnomebaker [WAS: Re: question(s) on Brasero (maybe bug)]

2011-11-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/4/2011 8:26 PM, fred smith wrote: On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 08:24:39PM -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 11/4/2011 8:22 PM, fred smith wrote: You CAN do yum install k3b and it'll install the necessary KDE bits along with k3b. that's the way I always do it. Fred: I was unaware that kde

question(s) on Brassero (maybe bug)

2011-11-03 Thread Paul Allen Newell
I am trying out burning DVDs on F14 and I am seeing some weirdness that I would like to understand before I call it a bug. I burn a directory on F14. The directory structure is deep (as in greater than the pop-up notice of 7) and the names should be within 60 characters. Brassero asks me about

Re: Apache vulnerability?

2011-11-01 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/1/2011 3:59 PM, Alex wrote: Yes, I've implemented iptables to drop the attempts. I was really just curious if it was a specific attack with a known pattern so I could investigate further. fail2ban is great for things like this. Thanks, Alex Alex: Do you have an example of the

Re: Apache vulnerability?

2011-11-01 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/1/2011 5:07 PM, Alex wrote: Yes, quite easy. Just doing it manually for now: # Create the LOGDROP chain iptables -N LOGDROP iptables -F LOGDROP iptables -A LOGDROP -j LOG --log-prefix LOGDROP iptables -A LOGDROP -j DROP iptables -j LOGDROP -I INPUT -soffending_ip -dmy_ip -p tcp

Re: Apache vulnerability?

2011-11-01 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/1/2011 5:42 PM, Alex wrote: Hi, Thanks. If you bear with a couple hopefully-not-too-naive questions ... I seems to me that you are saying the actions you wish to stop are from soffending_ip using -p tcp ... why the need to specify the destination of -dmy_ip (since if this iptables

Re: Apache vulnerability?

2011-11-01 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 11/1/2011 6:23 PM, Alex wrote: [...] Best, Alex Alex: Many thanks for the help as it does make all this iptable stuff clearer ... I never would have known to search for CIDR notation and it sures makes alot more sense when I read those sites Paul -- users mailing list

Re: doc question on private network IP allocation

2011-10-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell
Dave: inline comments On 10/14/2011 06:29 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote: The important thing to me is that they are on WPA2 and have both a rich key and admin password. Now that's a totally different can'o'worms--you're talking wireless requirements, which is layered on top of the network

Re: doc question on private network IP allocation

2011-10-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 10/15/2011 04:11 AM, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2011-10-14 at 18:06 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: All I have to do is convince them to do MAC access filter list and I'll be happy. MAC filtering is utterly pointless. [...] Tim: Thanks for the comments. I have let my niece and roommates know

Re: doc question on private network IP allocation

2011-10-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 10/15/2011 08:14 AM, Greg Woods wrote: On Sat, 2011-10-15 at 21:41 +1030, Tim wrote: MAC filtering is utterly pointless. We use it on *wired* networks, primarily to prevent visitors whose laptops have not been properly vetted (and may be crawling with malware) from connecting to our

Re: doc question on private network IP allocation

2011-10-15 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 10/15/2011 12:48 PM, Craig White wrote: sure - buy a layer 3 managed switch (an unlikely candidate for home implementations) Craig: Thanks, I was just curious why it was only wireless and not both wireless and wired. Understand the limitations of MAC addresses ... as I mentioned earlier

doc question on private network IP allocation

2011-10-14 Thread Paul Allen Newell
Hello to all: A long time ago when I first struggled and figured out how to set up a LAN network, I got some advice about how I should alloc the numbers. 1) start static address at *.*.*.10, 2) put WAPs at *.*.*.245, and 3) for a gateway of 192.168.1.1, assign your router that connects to the

Re: doc question on private network IP allocation

2011-10-14 Thread Paul Allen Newell
Tim, Joe, and Dave: Thanks for the email replies. The take I come away with from your three emails is 1) assume *.0 and *.255 are reserved, 2) there is no standard, just personal conventions -- and that a group using a router should have a convention, and 3) let DHCP handle it if possible. If

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

2011-10-11 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 10/11/2011 12:34 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Other than a legal check for conflicts with trademarks etc, that is correct. Any name can get through if someone proposes and enough people vote for it. Anyone with a Fedora account can vote and getting a account takes only a few minutes. You

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

2011-10-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 10/10/2011 06:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: I agree On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:40:01 -0500 Chris Kloiber ckloi...@ckloiber.com wrote: Wow... That just sounds wrong on *SO* many levels. Beefy Miracle Actually, I have to believe this is a joke email if it is true, then all I can

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

2011-10-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 10/10/2011 09:12 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 13:44:53 +1000, Rohan Ferrisro...@rferris.org wrote: I gave 0 for Beefy Miracle also. Is this a joke? Sort of. Beefy Miracle has been an inside joke going back at least several releases now. A number of people who like

Re: Pavilion dv6-3225dx under F14 -- mouse problems

2011-10-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell
[cut-and-paste from archives] gary artim wrote: +++ have a clickpad I can play with at work and tried out the beta of SuSe and FC16. both have better support but the right click and center click for does not work -- tools i need. you can set tapping to 2 or 3 fingers to get the right and center

Re: Upgrading to F16 Beta

2011-10-07 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 10/7/2011 11:25 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/07/2011 02:17 AM, JD wrote: Thanx. A good point. I wish the upgrade process would actually prompt the user for performing such steps. Even better would be for the upgrade process to offer to do this for the user so that people wouldn't have to

Pavilion dv6-3225dx under F14 -- mouse problems

2011-09-26 Thread Paul Allen Newell
Hello to all: I have a HP Pavilion dv6-3225dx that was installed with Win7 and I am trying to dual-boot with F14. I've managed to do that, but I am seeing totally wacko action out of the mouse (which is a touchpad with a movement area and two buttons below). The long and short of it is

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/19/2011 6:32 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: See my other posts about DHCP and address assignments. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com Dave: Given that I got four emails from you which all distill down to try it, it is easy and you already provided a piece of cake for my

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/18/2011 7:20 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 02:53:34AM -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: How can one ssh from a cygwin shell to a Fedora box? It's a piece of cake--I do it all the time. Dave: Incredible ... it was totally a piece of cake. Once you told me where

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
[inline] On 9/18/2011 12:04 PM, Robert Myers wrote: I hope your question has been answered. Very much so per prior email A couple of tricks and traps: 3. I use sftp to copy both ways, if all I need to do is to copy. Looking into this, though it seems like it may be overkill for my needs

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/18/2011 4:33 PM, jdow wrote: Why not just use samba? Works like a champ here for a mixed bag of about a dozen computers, occasional Macs, several 'ix, and several MS boxes XP through 7. Why make it harder on yourself than necessary? {^_^} Given that all I want to do is scp with the

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/18/2011 8:52 PM, Robert Myers wrote: You can run an sshd daemon under Cygwin so that a windows box can be ssh'd into just as if it were a linux box. It was enough of a pain to set up, though, that since I don't really need it, I don't routinely even set it up. Robert. Robert: The

Re: Vote to extend F14 security updates

2011-09-02 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/1/2011 11:18 PM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: On 09/02/2011 04:25 AM, Peter G. wrote: Robert Arkiletian wrote: I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because of gnome3. Boo hoo. He is not alone +1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Vote to extend F14 security updates

2011-09-02 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/1/2011 11:43 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 09/02/2011 06:44 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?

Re: Vote to extend F14 security updates

2011-09-02 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/2/2011 6:06 AM, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote: On 09/02/2011 02:51 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Hum ... I find it a difficult proposition to ask users to step up and do it when the march of progress indicates that it wasn't the users that asked for this change. Change may be good, but I think

Re: Vote to extend F14 security updates

2011-09-02 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/2/2011 6:29 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 09/02/2011 12:21 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Hum ... I find it a difficult proposition to ask users to step up and do it when the march of progress indicates that it wasn't the users that asked for this change. That may well be the case

Re: Vote to extend F14 security updates

2011-09-02 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/2/2011 2:13 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Robert Arkiletian wrote: In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released? Fedora is not a democracy. It is a meritocracy. The only changes that get made to Fedora are by people

Re: RHEL6 Wallpapers

2011-08-30 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/29/2011 11:03 PM, Pete Travis wrote: On Aug 29, 2011 3:49 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net mailto:gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: SNIP whats more, because it is graphical, there are ways of removing what is there. gimp is only one of the great linux graphics programs that can be used to

Re: telnet on local LAN question (progress?)

2011-08-26 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/22/2011 9:51 PM, Tim wrote: Have a look at a virgin hosts file, and it'll be like this: cat /etc/hosts # Do not remove the following line, or various programs # that require network functionality will fail. 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ::1

Re: telnet on local LAN question (progress?)

2011-08-24 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/24/2011 7:26 PM, Craig White wrote: Craig: Thanks for the two emails (one in response to Tim). I am trying to do my homework but more importantly trying to understand just what I need so I don't solve a problem that doesn't need to be solved. Paul -- users mailing list

Re: telnet on local LAN question (progress?)

2011-08-23 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/22/2011 9:51 PM, Tim wrote: Tim: Thanks for your two emails. I am stepping back, going through all the email again, and rethinking what I am trying to do and the best way to do it. This little exercise was much bigger than I thought and I need to do alot of learning before I come up with

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-21 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/20/2011 5:52 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: You do have the sendmail-cf package installed and are running /etc/mail/make when you're done editing your configuration, as explained at the top of sendmail.mc, correct? Yup, learned about that one on my first round of dealing with mail Thanks,

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-21 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/20/2011 9:17 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Craig White wrote: I thought the command was 'make /etc/mail' and that it hasn't been necessary for about the last 10 years when restarting sendmail via /etc/init.d/sendmail restart (or service sendmail restart) would automatically

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-21 Thread Paul Allen Newell
[inline] On 8/20/2011 3:42 AM, Craig White wrote: If it looks something like this on your SMTP server # netstat -an Active Internet connections (servers and established) Proto R-Q S-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN Verified this to

Re: telnet on local LAN question (progress?)

2011-08-21 Thread Paul Allen Newell
, and a closing +++ +++ running mail +++ [paul@chowder ~]$ mail Heirloom Mail version 12.5 7/5/10. Type ? for help. /var/spool/mail/paul: 2 messages 1 Paul Allen Newell Sun Aug 21 18:17 24/897 chowder to chalupa as 2 Mail Delivery Subsys Sun Aug 21 18:17 73/2566 Returned mail: see tr 1

[ENDING THREAD] Re: telnet on local LAN question (progress?)

2011-08-21 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/21/2011 9:44 PM, Craig White wrote: I really don't have much interest in ploughing through all of your e-mails and all of the answers you get which just confuse the whole situation. All you really need to do is set smarthost on all of the LAN machines - all machines smarthost

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-19 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/19/2011 1:28 AM, Rick Sewill wrote: In all three cases, the return was: +++ telnet: connect to address 192.168.2.0: Connection refused Is this a typo? Did it say telnet: connect to address 192.168.2.10: Connection refused Rick: Typo ... the keyboard 1 sometimes fails to connect.

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-19 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/19/2011 12:15 AM, Tim wrote: Tim: Multiple replies received and I am going through them Thanks, Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-19 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/18/2011 9:49 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Your earlier email indicates that to solve the mail/mailx between machines, I need comment out that line in sendmail.mc and I will get the results you indicated. Sure worth a try, let me give it a go. Craig: I comment out the 127.0.0.1 line

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/16/2011 7:43 AM, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 22:04 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Do you really have: NTPSERVERARGS=iburst In the /etc/sysconfig/network file? Yes, that seems to be part of the factory install or it is something that I have no idea how I added it when I

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
To all who have replied to my query/queries: Someone asked me about whether I could telnet to myself ... I can't find that email (though I know I have it since I haven't deleted any on this thread). That being said, I am not certain what exact test I was asked to run. My memory is that it had

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/18/2011 1:48 AM, Tim wrote: Well, your original post had two sets of IPs mentioned: 192.168.10.x and 192.168.2.y Did a typo creep in, so they should have all started with 192.168.2 and only the last quad was unique for each device? TYPO !!! My apologies, I did a proof read and

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/18/2011 1:32 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: On 08/18/2011 07:33 AM, Andre Speelmans wrote: On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Paul Allen Newellpnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: On 8/17/2011 12:49 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: I would have just duplicated the ssh rule, which works, for port 23. -A INPUT

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/17/2011 11:55 PM, James Hogarth wrote: Based on the above you have one subnet of 192.168.2.0/24 http://192.168.2.0/24 with 192.168.2.3 as the gateway. Yes I think there was some confusion when you mentioned firewall rules on your router. Traffic between hosts on the same subnet do

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/17/2011 10:42 PM, Andre Speelmans wrote: An additional thing to check is if you are listening on port 23 (or 25). Try netstat -tnlp and search :23 (or :25). You will find the name of the process listening. Check if it is listening on 0:0:0.0 or just on 127.0.0.1. The 127.0.0.1 would be

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/18/2011 8:59 PM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 20:15 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: of course - you have it right. Whew, that's good to know (smile) Of course a telnet server would generally use the well-known TCP port 23 but generally usage of this is discouraged

Re: {Disarmed} Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/18/2011 9:07 PM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 20:47 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: [root@yoyo ~]# netstat -anp | grep :25 tcp0 0 127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1510/sendmail: acce [root@yoyo ~]# netstat -anp | grep :23 [root@yoyo

Re: {Disarmed} Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/18/2011 9:23 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 8/18/2011 9:07 PM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 20:47 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: I am not certain how the word {Disarmed} got into the subject ??? Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/17/2011 10:33 PM, Andre Speelmans wrote: Two things: First, try without any firewall (service iptables stop), or enter a first line like: iptables -I INPUT -j ACCEPT, just so we can isolate the problem. If that fails, look what actually gets send on the server (tcpdump -i eth0 -nnl

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/18/2011 9:33 PM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 21:31 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: telnet chalupa 23 telnet chalupa 25 telnet chalupa first and third are essentially the same second one because chalupa isn't listening on port 25 - at least not on any 192.168.2.x

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
To all those who have replied to my questions and wanted to know the why/what of my set-up as an aid to figuring out what I am trying to do: Though familiar with Unix/Linux for a long time, it has always been as a software developer with good sysAdmins to deal with all that stuff. When I first

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-17 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/16/2011 10:51 PM, Andre Speelmans wrote: I have been going through all the responses I got so far and am now in process of going through this. I can't test the 127.0.0.1 as I've got my systems somewhat horked trying to sort things out ... after this email I am backing everything up to

Re: How to mount floppy?

2011-08-17 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/16/2011 7:52 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0u1440 /mnt/floppy See URL: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/fedora-13-mounting-floppy-813466/ Worked for me on F13. Cannot speak for later versions. I am off floppys at this point, but I'd be curious to

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-17 Thread Paul Allen Newell
partial answers to two replies ... On 8/17/2011 6:07 AM, Rick Sewill wrote: May I suggest inserting an entry, at this spot, for mail, something like the following. -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT The goal of the previous line is to jump to ACCEPT for any mail

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-17 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/17/2011 6:07 AM, Rick Sewill wrote: iptables entries are processed in the order found... [...] I apologize for not reading your original message and going off on a telnet/ssh tangent in a previous email. Rick: Thanks for the explanation. Though I had gotten a good 70% of it, the

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-17 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/17/2011 12:49 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: On 08/17/2011 08:25 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: One of the interesting things is I am now getting connection refused rather than no route to host and I need to see what change I made caused that (which is also interesting as I would have expected

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-17 Thread Paul Allen Newell
inline and at bottom ... On 8/17/2011 6:36 AM, Tim wrote: The original poster isn't trying to telnet, they're using the the telnet client as a diagnostic tool for other services. correct Ping works great between all of the machines for bothotherX and otherX.localdomain, lists the

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-17 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/17/2011 10:42 PM, Andre Speelmans wrote: You just pinpointed why you can not telnet (port 23) or reach port 25. Andre: I just got your two email replies and am going through them. There is one earlier test regarding 127.0.0.1 that someone requested that I want to get the results out

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-16 Thread Paul Allen Newell
[no content from sender in this message?] On 8/15/2011 11:09 PM, James Hogarth wrote: Sent from Android mobile On Aug 16, 2011 6:04 AM, Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu mailto:pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: Greetings I am trying to figure out how to get communication between my F14 boxes

Re: telnet on local LAN question

2011-08-16 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/15/2011 11:13 PM, James Hogarth wrote: It seems that the telnet problem is a simpler one than the mail/mailx and if I can at least get telnet working, then I am closer to getting mail/mailx working. Any suggestions? 1) Why telnet? SSH is much more secure and should work out the

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