Re: Thunderbird & non-english characters ?

2023-09-18 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 16.09.23 15:40, lejeczek via users wrote: Hi guys. I'm trying to add an account in Thunderbird, address contains non-english chars and Thunderbird  stops, does not proceed further, colors the field in red & sticks ! mark there. That surely must be not an issue of Thunderbird/OS but my

Re: f38 & snapd

2023-08-23 Thread Ulf Volmer
Am Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 07:19:42PM +0200 schrieb François Patte: > Le 2023-08-23 13:20, Ulf Volmer a écrit : > > Am Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 12:10:01PM +0200 schrieb François Patte: > > > > > I, at last, found a squashfs kernel module in another directory and > > > i

Re: f38 & snapd

2023-08-23 Thread Ulf Volmer
Am Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 12:10:01PM +0200 schrieb François Patte: > I, at last, found a squashfs kernel module in another directory and > installed it in > /lib/modules/6.4.9-200.fc38.x86_64/kernel/fs/squashfs/ [ulf@yoga ~](28/0)$ modinfo squashfs|head -n 1 filename:

Re: docker firewall?

2023-08-19 Thread Ulf Volmer
Am Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:48:11AM -0400 schrieb Alex: > Hi, > I'm a long-time Linux sysadmin but haven't done much with docker and > containers or firewalls beyond iptables. I have inherited a fedora38 system > where another admin has installed python3-docker, but port 8080 is now > exposed to

Re: 6.0.16-200.fc36.x86_64 crash

2023-01-06 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 06.01.23 23:03, stan via users wrote: On Fri, 6 Jan 2023 14:57:53 -0500 Roger Wells wrote: I boot from the latest kernel (subject) then mount a shared directory on a RHEL 7.9 host. As soon as I access any file or directory on the shared directory the my machine instantly & completely

Re: F34 kernel-devel drpm checksum mismatch

2021-11-30 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 30.11.21 12:26, John Pilkington wrote: For several recent kernel updates, dnf has complained about this but has updated as normal.  I've just noticed that the package name looks strange, too.  Should it get a BZ? FWIW, I think this is needed by the rpmfusion nVidia packages.  :-)

Re: Fedora 34: Some applications show weird font

2021-11-23 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 23.11.21 14:47, Dario Lesca wrote: On my Notebook with Fedora 34 up to date (also on 35 new installation on VM) some application show part of your text message with weird font like this: Torbrowser: https://i.imgur.com/7FRv4Xu.png Libreoffice: https://i.imgur.com/9tkRqwH.png The issue with

Re: Problem with script

2021-11-19 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 19.11.21 20:54, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 19Nov2021 20:42, Ulf Volmer wrote: gxmessage relays on an X11 display. You have none in a session started via atd. You're confusing this with cron. At preserves your environment. If he's still logging into his X11 session this should work. Yes

Re: Problem with script

2021-11-19 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 19.11.21 19:04, Paul Smith wrote: echo "~/scripts/teste.sh" | at 5:59PM [...] gxmessage -center \ gxmessage relays on an X11 display. You have none in a session started via atd. Assuming, you are running gnome and your uid is 1000, XAUTHORITY=/run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority

Re: F35 still running pulseaudio after upgrade

2021-11-05 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 05.11.21 19:39, Neal Becker wrote: My audio seems to be working fine, but I do see both pipewire pipewire-pulse are running. Should they be? I think yes. pipewire-pulse is a translation service for classic pulseaudio applications. Best regards ulf

Re: State of 'systemd-cryptenroll + tpm2' ?

2021-11-05 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 05.11.21 10:57, lejeczek via users wrote: I'm trying to tell systemd to unlock at boot root partition so I follow general notes/howtos but, after a reboot, when I think all is good to luks auto-unlock OS hangs at such re/boot. I wonder if any of you fellow Fedorians have such

Re: F35 still running pulseaudio after upgrade

2021-11-03 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 03.11.21 17:53, Ian Pilcher wrote: On 11/3/21 11:33, Paul Smith wrote: On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 3:48 PM Ian Pilcher wrote: Are there instructions anywhere for switching to pipewire? See the following, Ian: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WirePlumber and run dnf swap wireplumber

Re: Enabling TPM emulation for Qemu Win10 guests

2021-09-12 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 12.09.21 19:21, Sam Varshavchik wrote: If you're running a qemu VM with a Windows 10 guest (in F34) and you successfully enabled TPM emulation, I'd like to compare notes with you. I used virt-manager to enable TPM 2.0, both TIS and CRB types: and My fully activated/licensed

Re: Fedora questions.

2020-05-01 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 29.04.20 17:05, Mmobilea wrote: > 1. How to get desktop icons for gnome? Install gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons. Run gnome-tweaks to enable this extension for your account. I personally don't use this extension, so I can't say how good this will work. Best regards Ulf

Re: filter for up-arrow in terminal

2019-11-25 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 25.11.19 15:30, SternData wrote: > A long time ago, in an operating system far, far away I used a tool > called PCED. It had one really nice feature: If I had typed a command like > > copy a b > > it saved it, just like bash does. But when I typed > >copy > > and pressed up-arrow,

Re: how simple to get jenkins up and running?

2019-08-23 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 23.08.19 12:21, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > colleague wants to play with jenkins on a fully-updated fedora 30 > system, so i figured i'd give it a shot on my similar system, with > puzzling non-results. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1517477 Best regards Ulf

Re: GDM Login Screen Doesn't Show Primary User After F30 Upgrade

2019-06-17 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 17.06.19 17:00, Tim Evans wrote: > of flag, but they are apparently created on login, rather than being > permanent.  On both systems the primary userid (UID 1000) is shown as: > > SystemAccount=true Have you checked /etc/login.defs? Best regards Ulf

Re: WiFi now disabled by radio killswitch

2019-06-06 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 05.06.19 22:30, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > Jun  4 13:35:53 terrapin NetworkManager[1529]: [1559680553.5293] > manager: rfkill: WiFi now disabled by radio killswitch > > Until I shutdown my system and reboot I cannot connect to my WiFi network. No idea what caused the blocking of your WiFi but

Re: PSA: All Firefox extensions are getting disabled, one by one

2019-05-05 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 05.05.19 12:27, François Patte wrote: > Le 04/05/2019 à 13:07, Heinz Diehl a écrit : >> On 04.05.2019, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> >>> Basically, an "all your extensions are belong to us" situation. >> >> You can enter about:config and set "xpinstall.signatures.required" to >> "false" until the

Re: issues with F30 Live USB stick

2019-05-02 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 02.05.19 18:32, Greg Woods wrote: > Anybody else seen this? Has anyone successfully created an F30 Live USB > stick? Just use dd to write the iso directly to the USB device. Assuming, you USB drive is sdb: sudo dd if=Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-30-1.2.iso bs=1M of=/dev/sdb Works for me.

Re: Fedora 30 upgrade - Am I right with this error conclusion?

2019-04-30 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 30.04.19 22:09, Danny Horne via users wrote: >  Problem 1: package python2-acme-0.31.0-1.fc29.noarch requires > python2-josepy, but none of the providers can be installed >   - python2-josepy-1.1.0-6.fc29.noarch does not belong to a distupgrade > repository >   - problem with installed

Re: update to F30 seems to have failed

2019-04-30 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 30.04.19 21:14, Sjoerd Mullender wrote: > On 30/04/2019 18.48, Ulf Volmer wrote: >> Which hypervisor are you using? Is your disk visible in the grub shell? > Earlier I had accidentally replied directly instead of to the list. > > To answer the question publicly, I'm usi

Re: update to F30 seems to have failed

2019-04-30 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 30.04.19 18:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2019-04-30 at 17:34 +0200, Ulf Volmer wrote: >> https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-30/ > > That announcement is dated today. My reply was yesterday. My apologies. B

Re: update to F30 seems to have failed

2019-04-30 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 30.04.19 17:53, Sjoerd Mullender wrote: > Now that the release announcement has been done, I can say that > upgrading for me (on a VM) also failed. After the final reboot, I just > got a grub prompt. No issues here. Two physical systems running f30 now, both using UEFI. Which hypervisor are

Re: update to F30 seems to have failed

2019-04-30 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 29.04.19 15:43, Neal Becker wrote: > I just attempted update f29->f30 using > sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=30 > > After reboot > sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot > > The system got to > running transaction > > But then seemed to hang. I waited about 15 minutes.

Re: update to F30 seems to have failed

2019-04-30 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 29.04.19 17:51, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2019-04-29 at 09:43 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: >> I just attempted update f29->f30 using >> sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=30 > > F30 has not been released yet. This should be reported on the Fedora > Test list, not

Re: vcgencmd missing in Fedora 29 arm

2019-02-05 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 05.02.19 20:28, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 2/5/19 9:43 AM, Simone Marchioni wrote: >> Is there a package with tools to manage HW? Temperature, CPU >> Frequency, and so on. Or is better to replace vcgencmd with something >> else? > > That information and control should be available through /sys,

Re: [F29] Ext4 file system inconsistencies

2019-02-01 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 01.02.19 08:56, Marco Guazzone wrote: > It happened again. > This time with kernel 4.20.4-200.fc29.x86_64. Did you run memtest in the meantime? Best regards Ulf ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: Can't boot into emergency mode to perform lvresize

2019-01-28 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 28.01.19 20:35, cen wrote: > I want to decrease the size of my home partition and increase the root > partition using lvresize. if I understand correctly, I should boot into > emergency mode so home is not mounted. I followed the documentation, > adding systemd.unit=emergency.target to linux16

Re: sudo

2019-01-09 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 09.01.19 10:13, Patrick Dupre wrote: >> $ mount /mnt/USB > > The problem is that it tries to mount at boot even if the drive is off Add noauto as option to your fstab line. This and other options are documented in 'man fstab'. best regards Ulf

Re: sudo

2019-01-08 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 08.01.19 19:58, Patrick Dupre wrote: (Please do not top post) > sudo -l > [sudo] password for pdupre: > Sorry, user pdupre may not run sudo on Teucidide. I think you have to replace localhost in your sudoers either with your real hostname or with ALL. best regards Ulf

Re: sudo

2019-01-08 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 08.01.19 19:24, Patrick Dupre wrote: > sudo -l /usr/bin/mount /dev/mapper/VolGrpUsr_DK0-home /mnt/USB/ I guess there was a misunderstanding. 'sudo -l' is a single command to display the currently allowed rules. So you should try the commands: sudo -l sudo /usr/bin/mount

Re: sudo

2019-01-08 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 08.01.19 10:57, Patrick Dupre wrote: > With visudo, I did > pdupre localhost=/usr/bin/mount /dev/mapper/VolGrpUsr_DK0-home /mnt/USB/ > sudo /usr/bin/mount /dev/mapper/VolGrpUsr_DK0-home /mnt/USB When you allow a specific command for sudo, you *must* use *exactly* the same command. In this

Re: [F29] Ext4 file system inconsistencies

2019-01-05 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 05.01.19 21:10, Marco Guazzone wrote: > I'm running an up-to-date Fedora 29 x86_64 (kernel 4.19.13-300.fc29.x86_64). > > My ext4 file system got inconsistent twice in a week: the first time, the > '/home' partition; the last time, both '/root' and '/home' partitions. > I had to use a live

Re: Strange DNF Behavior After Upgrade to F29

2019-01-03 Thread Ulf Volmer
> The current kernel that I am running according to uname -r is: > > 4.19.12-301.fc29.x86_64 > > However when I run "dnf upgrade" today I get the following dependencies > to be installed: > > Installing dependencies: > kernel-core x86_64 4.19.13- > 300.fc29

Re: background process

2018-12-20 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 20.12.18 23:36, Patrick Dupre wrote: > I would like to run a process on a remote machine (login through ssh > and then su) which will remian running even when I close the connection. run you command using nohup. best regards Ulf ___ users mailing

Re: Setting up an HTTP server on a KVM/QEMU guest

2018-09-07 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 07.09.2018 12:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2018-09-07 at 00:01 +0200, Ulf Volmer wrote: >> On 06.09.2018 23:51, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> On Thu, 2018-09-06 at 18:58 +0200, Ulf Volmer wrote: >>>> ss -anlt | grep 8080 >>>> >>

Re: Setting up an HTTP server on a KVM/QEMU guest

2018-09-06 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 06.09.2018 23:51, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2018-09-06 at 18:58 +0200, Ulf Volmer wrote: >> ss -anlt | grep 8080 >> >> executed in the guest? > > LISTEN0 50 0.0.0.42:8080 0.0.0.0:* 0.0.0.42?

Re: Setting up an HTTP server on a KVM/QEMU guest

2018-09-06 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 06.09.2018 18:52, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I meant the default port for qbittorrent-nox. I already enabled 8080 as > you say. what says ss -anlt | grep 8080 executed in the guest? best regards Ulf ___ users mailing list --

Re: Vncserver pid problems

2018-09-06 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 06.09.2018 14:50, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I am having pid permission problems with starting vncserver: > > Sep 06 08:39:03 localhost vncserver[2046]: Log file is > /home/rgm/.vnc/localhost:1.log > Sep 06 08:39:03 localhost systemd[1]: vncserver@:1.service: Can't > convert PID files

Re: services don't start

2018-08-31 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 31.08.2018 20:08, Mike Zingale wrote: > that seems to be part of it. I reinstalled dbus to fix some permissions. > systemctl works a lot faster now dnf still fails, so I need to poke around > some more. > ___ > users mailing list --

Re: services don't start

2018-08-31 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 31.08.2018 19:08, Mike Zingale wrote: > One of our Fedora 28 machines now longer boots. Services fail to start, and > there are a lot of errors like: > > [ 3881.765993] systemd[2018]: dbus.service: Failed to execute command: > Permission denied > [ 3881.766884] systemd[2018]: dbus.service:

Re: Device defaults -

2018-08-22 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 22.08.2018 22:03, Bob Goodwin wrote: > Which looks like it's done what I think I want but the browser still > does not connect to:  http://192.168.11.1:0 > > "This address is restricted using tcp port 0 is usually wrong. AFAIK DD-WRT web interface is listening on default port 80, so just

Re: https traffic monitoring from client

2018-07-13 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 13.07.2018 22:37, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 07/13/2018 11:12 AM, Ulf Volmer wrote: >> >> The OP want to look into TLS encrypted traffic. tcpdump will not help in >> this case. There is no way around to use a special proxy in between and >> place a custom CA into th

Re: https traffic monitoring from client

2018-07-13 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 13.07.2018 18:33, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 07/13/2018 07:08 AM, bruce wrote: >> Trying to wrap my head around what I need to setup on a test system to >> be able to capture/view (in a file or via app output) the https >> traffic. My use case I have a test app talking to a remote server on >>

Re: rpmbuild --define - some rpm sorcerer around?

2018-06-08 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 09.06.2018 00:50, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 06/08/2018 03:24 PM, Ulf Volmer wrote: >> On 08.06.2018 23:58, lejeczek via users wrote: >> >>> $ _def1="_me 1" >>> $ rpmbuild --define=${_def1} >> >> Try double quotes around your macro: >>

Re: rpmbuild --define - some rpm sorcerer around?

2018-06-08 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 08.06.2018 23:58, lejeczek via users wrote: > $ _def1="_me 1" > $ rpmbuild --define=${_def1} Try double quotes around your macro: $ rpmbuild --define "${_def1}" best regards Ulf ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Help debug a network issue

2018-03-26 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 26.03.2018 08:40, Robin Laing wrote: > sudo modprobe -r r8169 > sudo modprobe r1869 > > So, what is my next step in finding out why this won't restart on suspend? you can place a script for automatically load/unload your network driver. see

Re: Renaming USB WD 2TB drives

2018-02-05 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 05.02.2018 19:43, Max Pyziur wrote: > On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Bill Shirley wrote: > >> What's the output of >> fdisk -l /dev/sdb > > Device Start    End    Sectors  Size Type > /dev/sdb1   2048 3906961407 3906959360  1.8T Microsoft basic data We are still missing the file system type of

Re: How to install MPlayer-1.3.0 ?

2018-01-13 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 13.01.2018 11:22, 郭 灵贤 wrote: > I have download a file named MPlayer-1.3.0.tar.xz , MPlayer-1.3.0.tar.xz > has been uncompression to MPlayer-1.3.0 . I do not know how to install > MPlayer-1.3.0 ,who can help me ? less MPlayer-1.3.0/README but i recommend to use the packaged mplayer from the

Re: Recover a Guest win7 on Fedora KVM.

2017-11-30 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 01.12.2017 00:28, Lucélio Gomes de Freitas wrote: > I lost the host Fedora25 when the Virtual machine(win7) was off. > I installed Fedora 25 on a new 1TB disk. Now I can mount the old root > and home on the new Fedora25. How to recover the win7 guest machine? Configurations of your KVM VMs

Re: Evolution and network proxy

2017-11-29 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 29.11.2017 22:23, martin.wag...@mailbit.io wrote: > I'm trying to set up an IMAP account in Evolution (3.24.6-1.fc26) that would > connect through a network proxy. I've also have other IMAP accounts in > Evolution so I just want this one account to go through a proxy. I thought it > would

Re: Maven won't pick up JAVA_HOME

2017-11-26 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 26.11.2017 23:02, Ulf Volmer wrote: > On 26.11.2017 22:43, cen wrote: > >> 1. sudo dnf install maven > >> The JAVA_HOME environment variable is not defined correctly >> This environment variable is needed to run this program >> NB: JAVA_HOME should point to a

Re: Maven won't pick up JAVA_HOME

2017-11-26 Thread Ulf Volmer
> On 11/26/2017 11:02 PM, Ulf Volmer wrote: On 26.11.2017 23:23, cen wrote: >> is java-1.8.0-openjdk-devel installed? > It is indeed. then it should usually works out of the box. As Ed wrote, $JAVA_HOME should point to the JRE. But in my case, there is no $JAVA_HOME defined

Re: Maven won't pick up JAVA_HOME

2017-11-26 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 26.11.2017 22:43, cen wrote: > 1. sudo dnf install maven > The JAVA_HOME environment variable is not defined correctly > This environment variable is needed to run this program > NB: JAVA_HOME should point to a JDK not a JRE is java-1.8.0-openjdk-devel installed? best regards Ulf

Re: systemctl openvpn won't start

2017-11-26 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 26.11.2017 20:32, Bill Shirley wrote: > Yes, a symlink you mentioned will probably work for him. > > From the link you posted: > > |sudo systemctl edit --full nginx.service | in general i think removing --full from this line will be much better. This command will create

Re: systemctl openvpn won't start

2017-11-26 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 26.11.2017 19:26, Bill Shirley wrote: > Corrupt?  Take a look at > https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html : Please do not top post. First of all, we are talking about instanced units. There is no need to copy anything to /etc/systemd. Just a symlink to the original

Re: systemctl openvpn won't start

2017-11-26 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 26.11.2017 18:45, Bill Shirley wrote: > I don't know why, but it doesn't seem to be working for him.  From an > earlier post: >> sudo systemctl enable openvpn-client@ibecker2.service >> Failed to enable unit: Unit file openvpn-client@ibecker2.service does not >> exist. Yes, i have read the

Re: systemctl openvpn won't start

2017-11-26 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 26.11.2017 16:07, Bill Shirley wrote: > For you, you should: > cp -a /usr/lib/systemd/system/openvpn-client@.service > /etc/systemd/system/openvpn-client@ibecker2.service > systemctl daemon-reload That is normally not needed, systemctl should create the symlinks himself. [ulf@x1 ~]$ sudo

Re: systemctl openvpn won't start

2017-11-23 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 23.11.2017 13:34, Neal Becker wrote: > sudo systemctl enable openvpn-client@ibecker2.service > Failed to enable unit: Unit file openvpn-client@ibecker2.service does not > exist. interesting. Could you post the output of rpm -ql openvpn|grep service best regards Ulf

Re: systemctl openvpn won't start

2017-11-23 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 23.11.2017 12:54, Neal Becker wrote: > Oh, thanks! And what should be in openvpn-client@ibecker2.service? Is it > just a symlink to the template file openvpn-client@.service? Yes. You should normally create this symlinks by using systemctl enable openvpn-client@ibecker2.service best

Re: systemctl openvpn won't start

2017-11-22 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 22.11.2017 20:59, Bill Shirley wrote: > What we've been talking about is the unit file > (openvpn@client-ibecker2.service). Since fc26 (if i remembered correctly) there were separate systemd units for openvpn server and client configurations. /usr/lib/systemd/system/openvpn-client@.service

Re: Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

2017-11-16 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 16.11.2017 19:39, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > "system-upgrade reboot" apparently now requires a fully working network > stack, because it tries to resynchronize with all the repos, despite > that this is supposed to be done, and it was done, by "system-upgrade > download". i doubt that is a

Re: fc27: nis/ypbind?

2017-11-16 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 16.11.2017 12:50, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 11/16/2017 12:04 PM, Ulf Volmer wrote: >> i haven't seen an active NIS installation in real life in the last >> years. You should think about switching to LDAP with or without >> kerberos. > It's my home/office network ;) Y

Re: fc27: nis/ypbind?

2017-11-16 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 16.11.2017 11:32, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 11/15/2017 06:13 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> I have been using yp/nis for ages, but with fc27 things stopped working? >> >> Has anybody managed to get ypbind/nis working with fc27? If so, how? >> >> >> To me, yp/nis seems to be in an untested shape

Re: F27: ssh X forwarding not working?

2017-11-15 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 15.11.2017 18:34, Tom Horsley wrote: > I seem to recall reading that X forwarding doesn't work > with wayland. Could that be relevant here? I'm using wayland since fc26 (and still on fc27) and have no issues using 'ssh -X'. AFAIK there is a compatibility layer called xwayland to keep X11