RE: Avoiding LVM -

2013-04-06 Thread J.Witvliet
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Craig White Sent: zaterdag 6 april 2013 3:45 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Avoiding LVM - On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 12:41 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote

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2013-04-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.04.2013 17:07, schrieb j.witvl...@mindef.nl: If you worry about failures (loosing) the mem stick, perhaps you can put the encrypted image on your own web-site... Or keep an dd-copy of the stick in /tmp/random.tmp and wonder that it is gone after tmpwatch has cleand /tmp or with F18

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2013-04-06 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 06 April 2013, j.witvl...@mindef.nl sent: So, a better advise is to simply encrypt the entire disk, Yes. And to keep sensitive info on an _also_ encrypted mem-stick. Dunno. It's got to be much easier to lose a memory stick than an entire computer. Or, to put that

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2013-04-06 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/06/2013 08:07 AM, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: and one that has a substantially higher likelihood of failure than a hard drive. It was a bad recommendation on so many levels. Anyone who entrusts their only copy of a valued file to a USB flash drive is certain to learn a lesson the hard

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2013-04-05 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 04 April 2013, Joe Zeff sent: ...[snip a pile of stuff that has nothing to do with real security]... having your whole file system encrypted is just holding up a big, red sign telling everybody that you have something to hide No, it's just called privacy, something that

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2013-04-05 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 12:41 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/04/2013 08:45 AM, Bill Oliver wrote: I take my laptop on the road a lot, and I have work stuff on it I don't want the world to see. I don't encrypt the whole disk, but I have an encrypted partitiion,

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2013-04-04 Thread Bill Oliver
I take my laptop on the road a lot, and I have work stuff on it I don't want the world to see. I don't encrypt the whole disk, but I have an encrypted partitiion, and keep sensitive data on it. The bottom line is that anybody who can touch your machine can own it, and can own all the

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2013-04-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/04/2013 08:45 AM, Bill Oliver wrote: I take my laptop on the road a lot, and I have work stuff on it I don't want the world to see. I don't encrypt the whole disk, but I have an encrypted partitiion, and keep sensitive data on it. You might also consider keeping it on a flash drive

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2013-04-04 Thread Bill Oliver
Yeah, I tried that, but ran into the issue of having to keep track of all the extra bits of equipment, etc. that I had to travel with. For every extra flash drive, ear bud, phone, pad, network gadget, etc. there's a small finite positive probability that it will get left in a hotel room or

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2013-04-04 Thread Matthew J. Roth
Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/04/2013 08:45 AM, Bill Oliver wrote: I take my laptop on the road a lot, and I have work stuff on it I don't want the world to see. I don't encrypt the whole disk, but I have an encrypted partitiion, and keep sensitive data on it. You might also consider keeping

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2013-04-04 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 04/04/2013 05:09 AM, Craig White wrote: For example, Mr. Zeff botched up his /home by trying to fuse it with an older /boot partition and LVM could have fused them rather simply and painlessly. I myself have moved partitions around on hard drives and have easily increased the size of

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2013-04-04 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 04/02/2013 08:39 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 02/04/13 14:13, Joe Zeff wrote: As a home user, I don't need to resize things dynamically, and LVM is the solution to a problem I don't have. Over the last couple of years I've managed to install Fedora a few times

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2013-04-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/04/2013 10:40 AM, Bill Oliver wrote: Yeah, I tried that, but ran into the issue of having to keep track of all the extra bits of equipment, etc. that I had to travel with. For every extra flash drive, ear bud, phone, pad, network gadget, etc. there's a small finite positive probability

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2013-04-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/04/2013 10:41 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: As a warning to future readers, this is just bad advice because then the files would be unencrypted on a device that is much easier to lose. I get the impression that the OP's concern wasn't accidental loss, but theft or otherwise unauthorized

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2013-04-03 Thread Lester M Petrie
On 4/2/2013 9:49 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 02/04/13 20:12, Grzegorz Witkowski wrote: Hi Bob, Maybe this will help you to make a right decision: 9.13.5. Recommended Partitioning Scheme

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2013-04-03 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 09:18:47 -0400 Lester M Petrie wrote: I like to put /opt and /usr/local on separate partitions also, as that way they don't have to be reloaded when I do a fresh install. I've found that bind mounts are your friend. I've got a SSD system disk with room for a couple of

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2013-04-03 Thread J.Witvliet
-Original Message- I think I can handle the next install without LVM. -Original Message- Afaicr LVM is the only option if you want to encrypt your entire disk. Hw __ Dit bericht kan informatie bevatten die

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2013-04-03 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 02/04/13 09:18, Lester M Petrie wrote: I like to put /opt and /usr/local on separate partitions also, as that way they don't have to be reloaded when I do a fresh install. -- Lester M Petrie Those directories are empty here presently. ll /opt total 0 ll /usr/local total 40 drwxr-xr-x.

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2013-04-03 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 03/04/13 10:56, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: I think I can handle the next install without LVM. Afaicr LVM is the only option if you want to encrypt your entire disk. Hw Encryption seems like adding necessary complexity to a home computer system? Do I need that? --

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2013-04-03 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 03/04/13 10:56, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: I think I can handle the next install without LVM. Afaicr LVM is the only option if you want to encrypt your entire disk. Hw Encryption seems like adding UNnecessary complexity to a home computer system? Do I need that? [my spell checker helped

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2013-04-03 Thread Ed Greshko
On 04/03/13 23:19, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 02/04/13 09:18, Lester M Petrie wrote: I like to put /opt and /usr/local on separate partitions also, as that way they don't have to be reloaded when I do a fresh install. -- Lester M Petrie Those directories are empty here

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2013-04-03 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 03/04/13 11:31, Ed Greshko wrote: That is because you haven't put anything there. I have plenty of stuff in /usr/local which I've built manually since they were either home-grown or didn't have rpms to install. Put it there and it is available to all users. Yes I figured that, but

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2013-04-03 Thread Patrick Lists
On 04/03/2013 05:28 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 03/04/13 10:56, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: I think I can handle the next install without LVM. Afaicr LVM is the only option if you want to encrypt your entire disk. Hw Encryption seems like adding UNnecessary complexity to

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2013-04-03 Thread Lester M Petrie
On 04/03/2013 10:33 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 09:18:47 -0400 Lester M Petrie wrote: I like to put /opt and /usr/local on separate partitions also, as that way they don't have to be reloaded when I do a fresh install. I've found that bind mounts are your friend. I've got a

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2013-04-03 Thread Jorge Martínez López
Hi! 2013/4/3 Patrick Lists fedora-l...@puzzled.xs4all.nl: That depends. If the box gets stolen and you don't mind that the thief can see all your personal data then don't bother. If you do mind, encrypt your personal data or the entire system. Since it's better to be safe than sorry, I

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2013-04-03 Thread aragonx
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: Hi Bob, Maybe this will help you to make a right decision: 9.13.5. Recommended Partitioning Scheme http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Installation_Guide/s2-diskpartrecommend-x86.html That is

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2013-04-03 Thread Ed Greshko
On 04/03/13 23:41, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 03/04/13 11:31, Ed Greshko wrote: That is because you haven't put anything there. I have plenty of stuff in /usr/local which I've built manually since they were either home-grown or didn't have rpms to install. Put it there

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2013-04-03 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2013-04-02 at 14:39 -0400, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 02/04/13 14:13, Joe Zeff wrote: As a home user, I don't need to resize things dynamically, and LVM is the solution to a problem I don't have. I'm not sure where this concept sprang from but I think you could

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2013-04-02 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 02/04/13 14:13, Joe Zeff wrote: As a home user, I don't need to resize things dynamically, and LVM is the solution to a problem I don't have. Over the last couple of years I've managed to install Fedora a few times minus LVM but I never seem to get the directory structure optimized, in

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2013-04-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.04.2013 20:39, schrieb Bob Goodwin - Zuni: On 02/04/13 14:13, Joe Zeff wrote: As a home user, I don't need to resize things dynamically, and LVM is the solution to a problem I don't have. Over the last couple of years I've managed to install Fedora a few times minus LVM but I

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2013-04-02 Thread davidschaak1
@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Avoiding LVM - On 02/04/13 14:13, Joe Zeff wrote: As a home user, I don't need to resize things dynamically, and LVM is the solution to a problem I don't have. Over the last couple of years I've managed to install Fedora a few times minus LVM but I never seem

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2013-04-02 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:39:06 -0400 Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: What I need is an example of a simple directory tree with the proper sizes. What is wrong with one partition named / on whole disk? Everything has room to grow then :-). -- users mailing list

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2013-04-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.04.2013 20:52, schrieb Tom Horsley: On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:39:06 -0400 Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: What I need is an example of a simple directory tree with the proper sizes. What is wrong with one partition named / on whole disk? Everything has room to grow then

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2013-04-02 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 02/04/13 14:39, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: What I need is an example of a simple directory tree with the proper sizes. I may not get to try it until F-19 is released but would like to have an example on hand, might be inspired to try redoing an F-18 LVM installation. Bob

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2013-04-02 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
to recommend something to all people without knowing their use case. I agree that for some deployments separate root and data partition is must have but not for all. I have a lot of qemu/kvm images that for simplicity only have two partitions (root and swap) or sometimes root only. About avoiding LVM

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2013-04-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.04.2013 22:43, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 02.04.2013 20:57, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.04.2013 20:52, schrieb Tom Horsley: On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:39:06 -0400 Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: What I need is an example of a simple directory tree with the proper sizes.

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2013-04-02 Thread Grzegorz Witkowski
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: Am 02.04.2013 22:43, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 02.04.2013 20:57, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.04.2013 20:52, schrieb Tom Horsley: On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:39:06 -0400 Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA