Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-02-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Robin Laing wrote: I would really appreciate it if nVidia, ATI or Intel would create RPM's for their own cards so we could deal with them directly. Of course if you have a bug, then you have to remove the driver to get any support. That's not how driver distribution works in the GNU/Linux

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-02-03 Thread Robin Laing
On 02/01/2010 04:08 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:55:32 +1100, Rogerare...@bigpond.com wrote: snip Then maybe there should be a blacklist all 3d applications until you install 3d. and: Fedora is never going to get rid of the best Free as in Speech driver

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-02-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 14:14:29 -0700, Robin Laing robin.la...@drdc-rddc.gc.ca wrote: No 3D hardware support, your software won't work. It doesn't matter what you do or how often you install the software or attempt to edit config files, will it work. It requires 3D support. It should

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-02-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 10:21:49 +1100, Roger are...@bigpond.com wrote: What stops Nouveau from being tested against Blender, various rendering engines and Varicad, bog standard widely accepted 3D apps, then released as fully functional before this discussion eventuated. This was

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-02-02 Thread Michael Semcheski
Fusion's nvidia driver works. There've been a few problems I've had, but none to speak of since switching to akmod-nvidia. Blacklisting nouveau is relatively easy to do wrt adding a line to grub. In our environment, I have a script that puppet uses to take care of this (see below). It would

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-02-02 Thread Roger
snip Because the only other free driver is nv. And the consensus (at least for Fedora) is that Nouveau has passed up nv and should be the default driver. /snip Ahem! Fedora is the creator of superb cutting edge software and I am a zealot. The Fedora user base has the problems, quite a

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-02-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 09:58:53 +1100, Roger are...@bigpond.com wrote: The original topic was to move nouveau out of the way so users can do what they need to do without jumping through hoops as I and many others had to do. That's not going to happen. The people that want to make

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-02-02 Thread Roger
Personally, I consider ATI to be nothing more than scrap metal waiting for a rubbish bin, and you couldn't pay me enough money to ditch nVidia for ATI. Agreed For my needs Nvidia works fairly well, the others do not. Roger PS Usability of 3D drivers is what we need and when Nouveau fills

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-02-01 Thread Roger
snip Then maybe there should be a blacklist all 3d applications until you install 3d. and: Fedora is never going to get rid of the best Free as in Speech driver available for that hardware. /snip Woh! The above comments puzzle me. Please explain how Nouveau is the best. Read my comments

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-02-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:55:32 +1100, Roger are...@bigpond.com wrote: snip Then maybe there should be a blacklist all 3d applications until you install 3d. and: Fedora is never going to get rid of the best Free as in Speech driver available for that hardware. /snip Woh! The

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-02-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Roger wrote: Please explain how Nouveau is the best. Read my comments below before responding! It's the best available in Free Software. The nvidia driver is NOT Free Software. Fedora supports Free Software and ONLY Free Software. So we ship Nouveau. May I suggest you visit the Blender.org

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-02-01 Thread Paul
Kevin Kofler wrote: Roger wrote: Please explain how Nouveau is the best. Read my comments below before responding! It's the best available in Free Software. The nvidia driver is NOT Free Software. Fedora supports Free Software and ONLY Free Software. So we ship Nouveau.

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-01-31 Thread Kevin Kofler
Roger wrote: Please Fedora get rid of nouveau until it's the same quality as Fedora. Fedora is never going to get rid of the best Free as in Speech driver available for that hardware. We do not support proprietary drivers, or any other proprietary software really, if you want to install that

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-01-28 Thread Chris Smart
2010/1/28 Roger are...@bigpond.com: So many people having trouble With respect, it's sheer stupidity that this issue remains unresolved some 12 months later. Rubbish. What issue remains unresolved? He's replacing Nouveau with the proprietary NVIDIA driver, what should Fedora do? It is great

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-01-28 Thread Neal Becker
Chris Smart wrote: 2010/1/28 Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com: You don't need to re-run dracut. All you need to do is add this the the kernel command line: rdblacklist=nouveau This is completely unnecessary. The module has been black listed and all future kernel updates will exclude

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-01-28 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 17:23 +1100, Chris Smart wrote: 2010/1/28 Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com: You don't need to re-run dracut. All you need to do is add this the the kernel command line: rdblacklist=nouveau This is completely unnecessary. The module has been black listed and

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-01-28 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:08:29AM -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 17:23 +1100, Chris Smart wrote: 2010/1/28 Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com: You don't need to re-run dracut. All you need to do is add this the the kernel command line: rdblacklist=nouveau

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-01-28 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 11:00 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:08:29AM -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 17:23 +1100, Chris Smart wrote: 2010/1/28 Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com: You don't need to re-run dracut. All you need to do is

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-01-28 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 01:09:21PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: So why was kernel mode setting such a huge improvement? :-). Well, speaking only for two different pieces of NVidia and two ATI cards in my household, it makes for a beautiful graphical boot process. YMMV, but all my machines start up

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-01-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 29 January 2010 01:57:01 Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 01:09:21PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: So why was kernel mode setting such a huge improvement? :-). Well, speaking only for two different pieces of NVidia and two ATI cards in my household, it makes for a

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-01-27 Thread Chris Smart
2010/1/28 Jim mickey...@sbcglobal.net: FC12-x86_64/KDE How do you Blacklist nouveau ? Did you install the nvidia module from rpmfusion repositories? If so, it automatically black lists nouveau for you. However, your initramfs still has nouveau in it. You need to re-build it and reboot: su -c

Re: Blacklisting Nouveau

2010-01-27 Thread Neal Becker
Jim wrote: FC12-x86_64/KDE How do you Blacklist nouveau ? I have installed kmod-nvidia because nouveau is causing the mouse to disappear after bringing computer out of a power down after about a half an hour. It is nouveau that is causing mouse to disappear, i have installed nvidia