Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
On 11/26/2013 04:44 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
On 11/22/2013 01:05 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
You know what you prefer and it is available in the repo. It shouldn't
matter much to you what the default is.
I don't think that's entirely true. Those of us who use a lot
On Fri, 2013-11-22 at 00:06 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
HI
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM, inode0 wrote:
Why shouldn't it matter to him? Who should it matter to?
I already indicated why it shouldn't matter to him because what he
prefers is already in the
On 11/22/2013 01:05 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
You know what you prefer and it is available in the repo. It shouldn't
matter much to you what the default is.
I don't think that's entirely true. Those of us who use a lot of
systems and support others need a reasonably sane set of defaults.
We
On 26 November 2013 09:44, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 11/22/2013 01:05 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
You know what you prefer and it is available in the repo. It shouldn't
matter much to you what the default is.
I don't think that's entirely true. Those of us who use a lot of
On 11/26/2013 04:44 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
On 11/22/2013 01:05 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
You know what you prefer and it is available in the repo. It shouldn't
matter much to you what the default is.
I don't think that's entirely true. Those of us who use a lot of
systems and support others
On 21.11.2013 23:10, Hugh Caley wrote:
I'm voting for Cinnamon, since the developer of compiz isn't interested
in keeping it going. But maybe if MATE was the default for Fedora he'd
change his mind? Or someone else would take over?
Cut loose, footloose, kick off the Sunday shoes
Ooh-wee
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 09:13:08 -0500,
Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com wrote:
other version of Linux. I only wish I knew how to code so that I
could contribute in some way, but alas,I'm still struggling with
the Terminal and some commands (there's too many dang-blasted
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 19:58:01 -0500,
Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
The requirements for the installer is more than any desktop environment in
Fedora making Fedora not really a good choice for lower end systems
anyway.
It's not quite that bad. I was able to do a succesful
Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/22/2013 04:29 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
This is a VERY good point which I had overlooked, the hardware
requirements of GNOME are much higher that XFCE (and I believe MATE) and
represent choice which is very likely to frustrate potential converts.
That's especially true
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
HI
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
That's especially true if you consider that many people are installing Linux
on older computers, especially laptops, so as to get some more use out of
computers that aren't up to running the latest versions
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
FWIW, I'm absolutely in love with Gnome3. Best thing ever happened to UI.
That said, it would be nice indeed if users had a choice during
installation, something simple like 3 screenshots to choose
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:10:33 -0800
Hugh Caley hca...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:
I'm voting for Cinnamon, since the developer of compiz isn't
interested in keeping it going. But maybe if MATE was the default
for Fedora he'd change his mind? Or someone else would take over?
Hugh
Unless
On 11/22/2013 05:11 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 22 November 2013 05:55, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:23 AM, inode0 wrote:
Users can care about the distribution and have opinions about how it
should be presented. And those creating the distribution
On 23 November 2013 00:10, Sanne Grinovero sanne.grinov...@gmail.com wrote:
FWIW, I'm absolutely in love with Gnome3. Best thing ever happened to UI.
I'm generally desktop agnostic, because I usually don't care as long
as the DE stays behind whatever it is I actually want to run. Compiz
was the
On Fri, 2013-11-22 at 19:58 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
The requirements for the installer is more than any desktop
environment in Fedora making Fedora not really a good choice for lower
end systems anyway.
That is nuts.
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[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r
2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
Don't send
Allegedly, on or about 22 November 2013, Rahul Sundaram sent:
What I was trying to convey is that If I am as an user unaware of
other desktop environments, the defaults impact my experience a lot
more than if I already know of the choices and have picked something
that matches my preferences.
On 22 November 2013 05:23, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
HI
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM, inode0 wrote:
Why shouldn't it matter to him? Who should it matter to?
I already indicated why it shouldn't matter to
On 22 November 2013 05:55, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:23 AM, inode0 wrote:
Users can care about the distribution and have opinions about how it
should be presented. And those creating the distribution should pay
attention to them.
Setting
Setting aside the fact that users list is hardly the place to influence the
choice of defaults and it is entirely offtopic to the purpose of this list,
the idea that users drive the defaults of Fedora doesn't seem to match
reality. If you do want to present a good argument you think is worthy
On 11/22/2013 07:02 AM, Roger wrote:
Setting aside the fact that users list is hardly the place to
influence the
choice of defaults and it is entirely offtopic to the purpose of this
list,
the idea that users drive the defaults of Fedora doesn't seem to match
reality. If you do want to
On 11/21/2013 10:00 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
On 11/22/2013 07:02 AM, Roger wrote:
Setting aside the fact that users list is hardly the place to
influence the
choice of defaults and it is entirely offtopic to the purpose of this
list,
the idea that users drive the defaults of Fedora
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Steven Stern
subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote:
Come Fedora 20, I'm doing a complete install rather than an update and
will try Gnome 3 again. I can no longer tell if stuff that's odd is
carry forward from earlier Fedora versions. If I'm unhappy, I'll
HI
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
I agree that this isn't really the place to influence the choice of
defaults, but it is entirely the place for users to form consensus.
If you try to talk about this on devel you're open to getting called a
power-user and trying to
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
I am very skeptical that users here can really form any sort of
consensus. There seems to a wide variety of strong preferences. However
trying out spins and deciding for yourself what you might want is indeed a
good
On 11/22/2013 01:57 PM, Steven Rosenberg wrote:
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Steven Stern
subscribed-li...@sterndata.com mailto:subscribed-li...@sterndata.com
wrote:
Come Fedora 20, I'm doing a complete install rather than an update and
will try Gnome 3 again. I can no longer
On 11/22/2013 01:20 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
I do that now, but this system has been upgraded from F16 through 19 and
I've been tweaking and tweaking the Gnome settings. Who knows what I've
broken?
The odds are, nothing. If you had broken something, Gnome wouldn't be
working properly.
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FWIW, I'm absolutely in love with Gnome3. Best thing ever happened to UI.
That said, it would be nice indeed if users had a choice during
installation, something simple like 3 screenshots to choose from.
On 22 November 2013 21:53, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:
On 11/22/2013 01:20 PM, Steven
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
FWIW, I'm absolutely in love with Gnome3. Best thing ever happened to UI.
That said, it would be nice indeed if users had a choice during
installation, something simple like 3 screenshots to choose from.
There are around a dozen
Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 22 November 2013, Rahul Sundaram sent:
What I was trying to convey is that If I am as an user unaware of
other desktop environments, the defaults impact my experience a lot
more than if I already know of the choices and have picked something
that matches my
On Sat, 2013-11-23 at 00:10 +, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
FWIW, I'm absolutely in love with Gnome3. Best thing ever happened to UI.
That said, it would be nice indeed if users had a choice during
installation, something simple like 3 screenshots to choose from.
On 22 November 2013 21:53,
On 11/22/2013 04:29 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
This is a VERY good point which I had overlooked, the hardware
requirements of GNOME are much higher that XFCE (and I believe MATE) and
represent choice which is very likely to frustrate potential converts.
That's especially true if you consider
HI
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
That's especially true if you consider that many people are installing
Linux on older computers, especially laptops, so as to get some more use
out of computers that aren't up to running the latest versions of Windows.
If they don't
On 11/22/2013 03:23 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
HI
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
I agree that this isn't really the place to influence the choice of
defaults, but it is entirely the place for users to form consensus.
If you try to talk about this on devel
Hi
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
Which ones would that be?just out of curiosity. I mean...
Enlightenment for example
Rahul
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On 11/22/2013 08:35 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
Which ones would that be?just out of curiosity. I mean...
Enlightenment for example
Rahul
I had forgot about that one!.well for my own experience with Fedora,
I jumped
On 11/22/2013 07:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/22/2013 04:29 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
This is a VERY good point which I had overlooked, the hardware
requirements of GNOME are much higher that XFCE (and I believe MATE) and
represent choice which is very likely to frustrate potential converts.
Maybe what we need is a beginner's spin that gives you a choice of
DE, but grays out any choices that your system can't handle. It would
probably have to be based on the full DVD installation, but with a
specially modified version of Anaconda that checks your CPU, RAM,
video and so on, to
I'm voting for Cinnamon, since the developer of compiz isn't interested
in keeping it going. But maybe if MATE was the default for Fedora he'd
change his mind? Or someone else would take over?
Hugh
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Rocket Software*
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Hi
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Hugh Caley wrote:
I'm voting for Cinnamon, since the developer of compiz isn't interested in
keeping it going. But maybe if MATE was the default for Fedora he'd change
his mind? Or someone else would take over?
You know what you prefer and it is
On 11/21/2013 05:10 PM, Hugh Caley wrote:
I'm voting for Cinnamon, since the developer of compiz isn't
interested in keeping it going. But maybe if MATE was the default for
Fedora he'd change his mind? Or someone else would take over?
Hugh
--
*Hugh Caley
Software Developer, Rocket Aldon
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Hugh Caley wrote:
I'm voting for Cinnamon, since the developer of compiz isn't interested in
keeping it going. But maybe if MATE was the default for Fedora he'd change
his mind?
HI
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM, inode0 wrote:
Why shouldn't it matter to him? Who should it matter to?
I already indicated why it shouldn't matter to him because what he prefers
is already in the repository and he can switch to it regardless of the
defaults. Among users, it might matter
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
HI
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM, inode0 wrote:
Why shouldn't it matter to him? Who should it matter to?
I already indicated why it shouldn't matter to him because what he prefers
is already in the repository
Hi
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:23 AM, inode0 wrote:
That really makes no sense. Neither part of it. The fact that someone
knows about options available has nothing to do with whether he/she
should care about what is the default in the distribution and users
who don't even know what the
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