Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-27 Thread Frantisek Hanzlik
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 22:19:47 +0200, Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz wrote: I'm not SSL/TLS guru and I'm not in-deep study heartbeat OpenSSL bug (mainly because I consider Fedora 15+ as too problematic and stay at F14 with eventual migration to CentOS 6 on my

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-27 Thread Frantisek Hanzlik
Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/26/2014 04:35 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Depending on what you don't like about current Fedoras, you might try out the XFCE or Mate desktops. They provide an experience similar to Gnome 2. If you have an old graphics card, you will want to use kdm or lxdm instead of

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-26 Thread Ian Malone
On 26 April 2014 03:38, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 23:26 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: millions and millions of affected users who had to go ahead and change passwords for many many things they rely on One thing I haven't seen mentioned, here nor elsewhere,

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-26 Thread Frantisek Hanzlik
Ian Malone wrote: On 26 April 2014 03:38, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 23:26 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: millions and millions of affected users who had to go ahead and change passwords for many many things they rely on One thing I haven't seen mentioned,

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-26 Thread Edward M
On 4/26/2014 1:19 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: I consider Fedora 15+ as too problematic and stay at F14 yup...fedora version 19 or 20 bugs are far worse than a computer security breach. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-26 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 22:19:47 +0200, Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz wrote: I'm not SSL/TLS guru and I'm not in-deep study heartbeat OpenSSL bug (mainly because I consider Fedora 15+ as too problematic and stay at F14 with eventual migration to CentOS 6 on my servers, thus they aren't

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-26 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/26/2014 04:35 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Depending on what you don't like about current Fedoras, you might try out the XFCE or Mate desktops. They provide an experience similar to Gnome 2. If you have an old graphics card, you will want to use kdm or lxdm instead of gdm. If you pick

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-25 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 23:26 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: millions and millions of affected users who had to go ahead and change passwords for many many things they rely on One thing I haven't seen mentioned, here nor elsewhere, was whether the bug could only affect you if they tried to hack the

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: The cost of a managed language is that it affects performance. Not necessarily but even in that case, it might have better to trade off some speed for better security in such cases. We are talking about millions and millions of

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-19 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 04/09/2014 01:43 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: Quoting Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au: Allegedly, on or about 08 April 2014, Jonathan Ryshpan sent: It's an interesting question why Net infrastructure code continues to be written in C, a language that provides no automatic checks for buffer

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-14 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 04/09/2014 10:35 AM, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: -Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of g Sent: woensdag 9 april 2014 9:19 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Coding Practice [was Re

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 April 2014 18:05, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 April 2014 17:19, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Only the other day I was thinking similarly: That almost every exploit that I read about, over the last umpteen years, was a buffer overflow; and why is it so? Are

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Ian Malone wrote: . This bug was pretty bad, but the kind of mistakes that lead to overflows and over-reads tend to be from not keeping track of the data properly and will cause other problems anyway, memory protection doesn't help with those. In a

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-09 Thread g
On 04/09/14 11:35, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: It's an interesting question why Net infrastructure code continues to be written in C, a language that provides no automatic checks for buffer overflow, which (if I understand right) is the opening for this security breach, along with so many

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 April 2014 06:35, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 10:55 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt See also http://heartbleed.com/ and

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-09 Thread Fred Smith
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 10:35:24PM -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 10:55 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt See also http://heartbleed.com/ and

RE: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-09 Thread J.Witvliet
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of g Sent: woensdag 9 april 2014 9:19 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability] On 04/09/14 11:35

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 16:35 +0200, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: And whatever language you use, people can still create unreadable spaghetti-code ;-) There is not now, nor has there ever been, nor will there ever be, any programming language in which it is the least bit difficult to write bad

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-09 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 08 April 2014, Jonathan Ryshpan sent: It's an interesting question why Net infrastructure code continues to be written in C, a language that provides no automatic checks for buffer overflow, which (if I understand right) is the opening for this security breach, along

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-09 Thread Liam Proven
On 9 April 2014 17:19, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Only the other day I was thinking similarly: That almost every exploit that I read about, over the last umpteen years, was a buffer overflow; and why is it so? Are programmers such morons that they accept all data without care,

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-09 Thread Liam Proven
On 9 April 2014 18:05, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: I was just ranting about this /right before/ the Heartbleed thing became public: But Gmail didn't want me to paste the link, which is: http://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/42285.html -- Liam Proven * Profile:

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/09/2014 06:19 PM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 08 April 2014, Jonathan Ryshpan sent: It's an interesting question why Net infrastructure code continues to be written in C, a language that provides no automatic checks for buffer overflow, which (if I understand right) is the opening

Re: Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-09 Thread Dave Stevens
Quoting Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au: Allegedly, on or about 08 April 2014, Jonathan Ryshpan sent: It's an interesting question why Net infrastructure code continues to be written in C, a language that provides no automatic checks for buffer overflow, which (if I understand right) is the

Coding Practice [was Re: Serious OpenSSL vulnerability]

2014-04-08 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 10:55 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt See also http://heartbleed.com/ and http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/critical-crypto-bug-in-openssl-opens-two-thirds-of-the-web-to-eavesdropping/ This is potentially very