On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote:
-snip
Just thought I'd chime in that my laptop is still happily using
iwl3945 in F16 without noticeable connection problems. (Yes, it's
faster if I connect it via ethernet, but I've always expected that.)
Thanks if you're
At Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:09:07 +,
Pedro Francisco wrote:
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 19:25 +, Pedro Francisco wrote:
Just to add that laptop has iwl3945 wireless card; iwl3945 module has
had
Wrong
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 23:09 +, Pedro Francisco wrote:
Right thread though,
May be (as few of us can remember the origins of this thread), but
you've replied at the wrong point. By this time the conversation has
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Maciek Borzecki
maciek.borze...@gmail.com wrote:
At Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:09:07 +,
Pedro Francisco wrote:
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 19:25 +, Pedro Francisco wrote:
Just
On 1 December 2011 13:02, Pedro Francisco pedrogfranci...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 23:09 +, Pedro Francisco wrote:
Right thread though,
May be (as few of us can remember the origins of this thread),
Just to add that laptop has iwl3945 wireless card; iwl3945 module has had
since 29 Apr https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/4/29/275 hardware scanning
disabled due to Microcode SW errors; software scanning turns the connection
into a patience tester. That didn't help the review, certainly. All network
On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 19:25 +, Pedro Francisco wrote:
Just to add that laptop has iwl3945 wireless card; iwl3945 module has
had
Wrong thread I think (not to mention the top-posting).
poc
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 19:25 +, Pedro Francisco wrote:
Just to add that laptop has iwl3945 wireless card; iwl3945 module has
had
Wrong thread I think (not to mention the top-posting).
Thanks for the
On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 23:09 +, Pedro Francisco wrote:
Right thread though,
May be (as few of us can remember the origins of this thread), but
you've replied at the wrong point. By this time the conversation has
changed, and your reply has nothing to do with the message that you've
replied
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 +
Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ)
Let's see the rant's now.
A. Because people read from top to
On 27 November 2011 23:24, Mikkel L. Ellertson mellert...@gmail.com wrote:
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On 11/27/2011 05:13 PM, Tim wrote:
And then there's the point of view that it's a community
project, and this is the forum for that community, and
*significant* numbers
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:12:14 -0800
les hlhow...@pacbell.net wrote:
I love this mlist more and more!
all started with Fedora - time to blink and now we are behind this querelle
that is older than internet ;)
you are amazing, guys :)
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On 28/11/11 02:41, Genes MailLists wrote:
snipped
Be aware that a significant number of gnome devs are @ RH ... not
sure what the politics is but the gap between upstream and fedora is not
as great as may appear sometimes
How would enterprise users find Gnome?
Will sales of
On 2011-11-28 11:10, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:09:49 +0100
From: suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Fedora - time to blink
To: Community support for Fedora users
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Tim ignored_mailbox at yahoo.com.au writes:
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 22:24 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
User interface research is what I suggested. Not surveys. I don't
really think this list is a reasonable sample. Mailing list tends to
attract a specific type of audience. You have to
Am 28.11.2011 09:12, schrieb les:
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally
because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation
and with the top-posting you need not to scroll and see the whole
answer in
Also consider that with several contributors commenting on the same post
it gets boring scrolling down each one through the same information
Roger
in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally
because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation
and with the top-posting
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 21:49 +1100, Roger wrote:
Also consider that with several contributors commenting on the same
post
it gets boring scrolling down each one through the same information
It gets even more boring when posters can't be bothered to trim the
stuff they're quoting. If quotes
Am 28.11.2011 12:47, schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan:
1) Business mail top-posts and quotes everything because that's the way
Outlook works and to a significant percentage of business users
Outlookand Email are synonyms. The single advantage to doing it this
way is that you can shovel over an
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 17:24 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Very childish.
That was the point. I am mocking the behaviour of the deniers, which
has been far from satisfactory.
If you want it to change, you have to say more then it sucks.
People HAVE been doing that. But keep getting shot
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 09:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I was talking about GNOME doing research. Not Fedora and developers
can be influenced as has been shown repeatedly when such results were
published in the past
And the response will be; these aren't the results that we want to hear.
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On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 21:49 +1100, Roger wrote:
Also consider that with several contributors commenting on the same
post it gets boring scrolling down each one through the same
information
Roger
That's why you edit. Whatever posting style you use, you need to edit.
You can't keep every
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 23:57 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
I don't want to advertize KDE too much, but there are also XFCE and
LXDE which are gaining popularity as drop-in replacements for the old
Gnome2. Why wouldn't XFCE be the default DE for the distro for a
while? Or the default DE choice
Sorry POC for inserting here.
I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and
resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often
recurring themes.
sarcasm
A. GNOME 3 is the most hated desktop since the introduction of KDE 4.
B. Licensing in Fedora.
On 11/28/2011 07:30 AM, Alan Cox wrote:
The other interesting data set is the rise of Linux Mint, although
personally I'm very dubious about tying that to their Gnome 3 fixed up
mode - which is anyway something Fedora could now equally package.
Mint seems to produce very polished, well
On Monday 28 November 2011 20:03:02 Ed Greshko wrote:
Sorry POC for inserting here.
I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and
resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often
recurring themes.
sarcasm
A. GNOME 3 is the most hated desktop
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/11/11 02:41, Genes MailLists wrote:
snipped
Be aware that a significant number of gnome devs are @ RH ... not
sure what the politics is but the gap between upstream and fedora is not
as great as may
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/11/11 02:41, Genes MailLists wrote:
snipped
Be aware that a significant number of gnome devs are @ RH ... not
sure what the politics is but the gap between upstream and fedora is not
as great as may
Sorry POC for inserting here.
I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and
resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often
recurring themes.
I realize nothing can be done about the meta Guidelines thrash, but you
know, some would say that if
Just correcting the typo in the subject line
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On 11/28/2011 05:28 PM, Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 09:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I was talking about GNOME doing research. Not Fedora and developers
can be influenced as has been shown repeatedly when such results were
published in the past
And the response will be; these aren't
On 11/28/2011 05:30 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
The only thing missing is the confirmation of the Godwin's law. :-D
Well, the number of people hating Gnome proves that Ugol's Law still
works. Now, all we need is an example of Cole's Law.
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On 11/28/2011 01:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/28/2011 05:30 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
The only thing missing is the confirmation of the Godwin's law. :-D
Well, the number of people hating Gnome proves that Ugol's Law still
works. Now, all we need is an example of Cole's Law
Well, I'm sure
On 11/28/2011 10:58 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
Well, I'm sure that some folks are of the opinion that the GNOME developers
attitudes and responses to user concerns are pretty fascist.
Only those who use the term as a generic insult and haven't the
slightest idea what it means.
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On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 11:15 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 28.11.2011 09:12, schrieb les:
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally
because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation
and with the
On 11/29/2011 12:35 AM, Matt Rose wrote:
Sorry POC for inserting here.
I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and
resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often
recurring themes.
I realize nothing can be done about the meta Guidelines thrash, but
RHEL/CentOS/SL are good for install-and-forget operation; they are not good
for stay-current-and-reasonably-stable operation mainly due to too old
kernel, but also for some users due to too old apps.
I think you have this bass-ackwards. Install and forget would seem to
include reasonably
On 11/28/2011 01:33 PM, Hugh Caley wrote:
I think you have this bass-ackwards. Install and forget would seem to
include reasonably stable, as bug fixes will be created for the version
for some time.
FWIW, unstable doesn't always mean doesn't work very well or tends to
crash. It can also
On 11/28/2011 02:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/28/2011 10:58 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
Well, I'm sure that some folks are of the opinion that the GNOME developers
attitudes and responses to user concerns are pretty fascist.
Only those who use the term as a generic insult and haven't the
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 14:23 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
FWIW, unstable doesn't always mean doesn't work very well or tends
to crash. It can also mean constantly getting updated as compared
to stays exactly the same for long periods.
There's a couple of commonly used definitions of stable used with
On 11/27/2011 05:28 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
quality and security should ALWAYS win against features and glitter
especially in free software where no marketing is announcing the next
big thing and calculate how much money in what time must be generated
You appear repeatedly demanding for
On 11/27/2011 07:38 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/26/2011 12:18 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote:
This*is* the bleeding edge. Sometimes it's dangerously sharp, but it
always produces better and better code.
No it doesn't. Sometimes it turns out that an idea that sounded good
Just Doesn't Work.
On 11/26/2011 04:10 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 13:30 -0500, Matt Rose wrote:
As well, KDE's track record on this is not exactly stellar. KDE4 was
basically unusable up until 4.3 or so.
I'd dispute that. I've used KDE 4 since it came out and never had major
problems
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:27:12 +0800
Ian Chapman wrote:
Thanks to Gnome 3 I may well be heading back.
Don't worry, in the current climate it is only a matter
of time before the KDE developers are seized with the
same all the world's a tablet disease and come out
with a KDE5 where they try to win
On 11/27/2011 05:56 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
KDE4.0 was released very early and it was underdeveloped at the time, which
was considered stupid by a lot of users. But there were no mistakes in
*design*, it just lacked configurability and features. This of course improved
over time, and today
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 22:47 +0800, Ian Chapman wrote:
why I have to press Alt + RMB to pop up a menu on a panel in Gnome?
Seriously, WTF?
Gosh, gee, Gnome just don't understand the concept of a menu. It's
supposed to present you with your list of choices, neatly categorised,
simply by looking
Joe Zeff:
No it doesn't. Sometimes it turns out that an idea that sounded good
Just Doesn't Work.
Rahul Sundaram:
People who do the work decide what works or doesn't work. This isn't a
democracy.
No. They can decide what they want to do. But what works, or doesn't
work, is born out by
On 11/27/2011 10:39 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
Thanks to Gnome 3 I may well be heading back.
Don't worry, in the current climate it is only a matter
of time before the KDE developers are seized with the
same all the world's a tablet disease and come out
with a KDE5 where they try to win the
On 11/27/2011 11:10 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 22:47 +0800, Ian Chapman wrote:
why I have to press Alt + RMB to pop up a menu on a panel in Gnome?
Seriously, WTF?
Gosh, gee, Gnome just don't understand the concept of a menu. It's
supposed to present you with your list of choices,
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 22:47 +0800, Ian Chapman wrote:
On 11/27/2011 05:56 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
KDE4.0 was released very early and it was underdeveloped at the time, which
was considered stupid by a lot of users. But there were no mistakes in
*design*, it just lacked configurability
On 11/27/2011 08:40 PM, Tim wrote:
Joe Zeff:
No it doesn't. Sometimes it turns out that an idea that sounded good
Just Doesn't Work.
Rahul Sundaram:
People who do the work decide what works or doesn't work. This isn't a
democracy.
No. They can decide what they want to do. But
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:57 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/27/2011 08:40 PM, Tim wrote:
Joe Zeff:
No it doesn't. Sometimes it turns out that an idea that sounded good
Just Doesn't Work.
Rahul Sundaram:
People who do the work decide what works or doesn't work. This isn't a
On 11/27/2011 11:22 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
Or why I have to press Alt + RMB to pop up a menu on a panel in Gnome?
Seriously, WTF?
RMB on the window's title bar produces the same pop-up menu. It's only
when you want to do that from another location on the window that
Alt-RMB is
On 11/27/2011 05:28 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/27/2011 07:38 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/26/2011 12:18 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote:
This*is* the bleeding edge. Sometimes it's dangerously sharp, but it
always produces better and better code.
No it doesn't. Sometimes it turns out that an
On 11/27/2011 09:10 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
Actually, I have to disagree with you on that. What works or not is
*partially* subjective, especially when it comes to user experience.
There are some things that just don't work, period.
I don't think you will find any real consensus
On 27/11/11 16:33, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/27/2011 08:02 AM, Ian Chapman wrote:
It's also required for me to add an applet to the gnome panel which is
what I was referring to. I'm not understanding why I should have to
AIUI, you have to write and/or install various extensions to Gnome 3 to
On 11/28/2011 12:33 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
AIUI, you have to write and/or install various extensions to Gnome 3 to
regain functionality that was in Gnome 2 out-of-the-box. What I don't
understand, however, is why this is called progress.
You're not supposed to understand. Just know that it's
On 11/27/2011 11:18 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/27/2011 09:10 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
Actually, I have to disagree with you on that. What works or not is
*partially* subjective, especially when it comes to user experience.
There are some things that just don't work, period.
What is this thread about? Or maybe it's easier to say what it's not about ;-)
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27/11/11 16:33, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 11/27/2011 08:02 AM, Ian Chapman wrote:
It's also required for me to add an applet to the gnome panel
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:45:50 -0600
Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote:
What is this thread about? Or maybe it's easier to say what it's not
about ;-)
welcome to fedora users!
I love this mlist for this threads without head and tail.
This is the only list by which i can't unsubscribe, really
On 11/27/2011 10:13 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
In the past some surveys were done - and some complained that the
sample was biased - whether by fedora users or users who subscribe to
the mailing lists - but the complainers were generally those who
disagreed with the outcome :-)
User
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:45:50 -0600
Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote:
What is this thread about? Or maybe it's easier to say what it's not
about ;-)
Well, now that you ask, I'd say that its about 50 to 100 messages too
long.
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On 11/27/2011 11:45 AM, Neal Hogan wrote:
What is this thread about? Or maybe it's easier to say what it's not about
;-)
It started as a Troll and has morphed into what you see now.
Which was probably the intention of the Troll. A long, never ending
'chat type' thread that meanders in
On 11/27/2011 08:57 AM, David wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27/11/11 16:33, Joe Zeff wrote:
Possibly so someone can say
It's not bloated, you installed all that stuff
Please get your attributions right. There's nothing of mine
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:27:12 +0800
Ian Chapman wrote:
Thanks to Gnome 3 I may well be heading back.
Don't worry, in the current climate it is only a matter
of time before the KDE developers are seized with the
same
On 27/11/11 17:08, Joe Zeff wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote:
Possibly so someone can say
It's not bloated, you installed all that stuff
Please get your attributions right. There's nothing of mine quoted here.
That's what top-posting
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 +
Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ)
Let's see the rant's now.
A. Because people read from top to bottom.
Q. Why should I not top post?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is
Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 +
Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ)
Let's see the rant's now.
A. Because people read from top to bottom.
Q. Why should I not top post?
A: Because it messes up
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:00:20 -0600 Reindl Harald
h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 +
Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ)
Let's see the rant's now.
A.
You will have to do a fairly extensive user interface
research with
samples from non technical users fully new to the user
interface to
conclude anything meaningful.
Rahul
--
You have to be kidding! research? On a 6-month release early release often
desktop? If you do research,
On 11/27/2011 12:13 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
On 27/11/11 17:08, Joe Zeff wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote:
Possibly so someone can say
It's not bloated, you installed all that stuff
Please get your attributions right. There's nothing of
On Sunday 27 November 2011 20:00:20 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini:
A. Because people read from top to bottom.
Q. Why should I not top post?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 22:24 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
User interface research is what I suggested. Not surveys. I don't
really think this list is a reasonable sample. Mailing list tends to
attract a specific type of audience. You have to be knowledgeable
enough to subscribe and follow
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 11:41 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote:
Developers have already made up their minds and released their new
innovations, and not what the research is asking for. You want to
look at new small screens like tablets, phones and other small stuff
and replace the traditional
For survey data there is the Phoronix Gnome survey. That actually has a
lot of quite interesting comments from people who've taken it.
In many ways the comments are more valuable than the percentages as it's
not a random 'mug people for data' type survey so somewhat self
selecting. I also don't
On 11/27/2011 01:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini:
A. Because people read from top to bottom.
Q. Why should I not top post?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A:
On Monday 28 November 2011 09:43:05 Tim wrote:
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 11:41 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote:
Developers have already made up their minds and released their new
innovations, and not what the research is asking for. You want to
look at new small screens like tablets, phones and
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 00:57, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote:
Or the default DE
choice could rotate for each release --- XFCE for F17, LXDE for F18, KDE for
F19, Gnome3 for F20, and over again, in turns. That way each DE would have
equal amount of visibility among users, more bugs
On 2011/11/27 15:42, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
On 11/27/2011 01:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini:
A. Because people read from top to bottom.
Q. Why should I not top post?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why
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On 11/27/2011 06:28 PM, jdow wrote:
On 2011/11/27 15:42, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Well, considering that top posting | But side posting is more fun
is strongly discourages in the | and by far a more interesting
list guidelines, I
| But side posting is more fun = It
| and by far a more interesting = certainly
| challenge, isn't it? = is
|= more
| {O,o} Ack! = challenging
-- = with
=
On 11/27/2011 07:09 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 00:57, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote:
Or the default DE
choice could rotate for each release --- XFCE for F17, LXDE for F18, KDE
for
F19, Gnome3 for F20, and over again, in turns. That way each DE would have
equal
On 11/28/2011 01:11 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
You have to be kidding! research? On a 6-month release early release
often desktop? If you do research, then what influence will the research
have? Developers have already made up their minds and released their new
innovations, and not
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On 11/28/2011 04:43 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 22:24 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
User interface research is what I suggested. Not surveys. I
don't really think this list is a reasonable sample. Mailing
list tends to attract a
Craig White wrote:
On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 22:58 +0100, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
License restrictions are one thing, but IMO Fedora did mistakes in
free SW preference too - e.g. in each version of Fedora for several
recent years I had to replace cripled and unmaintained wodim with
original
Am 26.11.2011 05:03, schrieb Antonio Olivares:
The GPL preamble (see also Urheberrecht §14 below) disallows modifications in
case they are
suitable to affect the original author's reputation. As Debian installs
symlinks with the
original program names and as many people still believe
On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 22:58 +0100, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
in each version of Fedora for several recent years I had to replace
cripled and unmaintained wodim with original cdrtools, because
otherwise I won't able burn CD/DVD media.
I haven't had to do that. I've burnt many CDs and DVDs with
--- On Sat, 11/26/11, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
From: Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au
Subject: Re: Fedora - time to blink
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Date: Saturday, November 26, 2011, 3:06 AM
On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 22:58 +0100
--- On Sat, 11/26/11, Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz wrote:
From: Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz
Subject: Re: Fedora - time to blink
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Date: Saturday, November 26, 2011, 2:24 AM
Craig White wrote:
On Fri, 2011
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:38:44 -0800 (PST)
Antonio Olivares wrote:
Also this
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507108
I've always had the suspicion that the real reason
redhat won't distribute the original tools is the
incredibly abrasive personality of the author
(on display in
On 26/11/11 16:55, Tom Horsley wrote:
Abrasive personality or not though, he is correct
that the forked tools are so bug ridden as to be
useless. They can write CDs - that's it. Any attempt
to write DVDs produces an infinite supply of
coasters, yet they continue to claim the tools
work on
On 11/26/2011 12:13 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
I never had a problem burning DVD(-RW)+-
with xfburn\Xfce in F14\15\16.
Curious - does xfburn use wodim or growisofs?
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On 11/26/2011 09:34 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
This is why Debian, Fedora and others apparently decided to go with the fork
since they could not agree with Mr. Schilling. It is sad but true :(
But then again, I don't think very much of the people who fork the code as
well, since they
On 11/26/2011 10:25 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
Abrasive personality or not though, he is correct
that the forked tools are so bug ridden as to be
useless. They can write CDs - that's it. Any attempt
to write DVDs produces an infinite supply of
coasters, yet they continue to claim the tools
work
I've always had the suspicion that the real reason
redhat won't distribute the original tools is the
incredibly abrasive personality of the author
(on display in this bugzilla and his web site :-).
Here we go again! :) Red Hat won't distribute the original, Fedora is NOT Red
Hat, but Red
Abrasive personality or not though, he is correct
that the forked tools are so bug ridden as to be
useless. They can write CDs - that's it. Any attempt
to write DVDs produces an infinite supply of
coasters, yet they continue to claim the tools
work on DVDs and blu-rays.
Maybe
On 11/27/2011 12:27 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
I've always had the suspicion that the real reason
redhat won't distribute the original tools is the
incredibly abrasive personality of the author
(on display in this bugzilla and his web site :-).
Here we go again! :) Red Hat won't distribute
On 11/27/2011 12:37 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
Do the bug reports count?
Yes but noone here is talking about specific bugs. They are making
wrong and very broad claims which are clearly misleading and incorrect
and those needs to be refuted.
Rahul
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You have zero basis for such assumptions and even if that
is the case,
licensing conflicts will always triumph code quality
consideration since
if a code cannot be included, there is no point in talking
about how
stable or buggy it is.
It is Fedora's legal position
that cdrkit has a
On 11/27/2011 12:45 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
It has a licensing issue? I thought it was included because the original was
the one that had the issue? or did you make a mistake here?
Yep. Just a typo
Slackware is a major distribution. It includes original cdrtools :)
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