Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/14/2023 08:33 PM, Mike Wright wrote: Since all you get is a grub prompt and it never moves beyound that wouldn't that indicate the BIOS is pointing to the wrong boot device and finding nothing there? This is a new, blank hard drive, with nothing on it, not even grub. Here is a

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/14/23 18:18, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/14/2023 02:35 PM, Montague Bestes via users wrote: The fact that the usb inserted prevents you from 'F*number*' (as in F12 or whatever) into your BIOS is the most peculiar thing I have heard. I don't know much about the engineering of these various

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/14/2023 02:35 PM, Montague Bestes via users wrote: The fact that the usb inserted prevents you from 'F*number*' (as in F12 or whatever) into your BIOS is the most peculiar thing I have heard. I don't know much about the engineering of these various flash drives and usb drives, but I was

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

The fact that the usb inserted prevents you from 'F*number*' (as in F12 or whatever) into your BIOS is the most peculiar thing I have heard. I don't know much about the engineering of these various flash drives and usb drives, but I was surprised on occasion to see that some had a password

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 11:29 AM Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/13/2023 05:23 AM, George N. White III wrote: > > If the Fedora-Everything-38-1.6-x86_64-CHECKSUM file gives "PGP signed > > message > > or ASCII, look at the contents with less or more. If you downloaded on > > Windows the > > line

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/13/2023 05:23 AM, George N. White III wrote: If the Fedora-Everything-38-1.6-x86_64-CHECKSUM file gives "PGP signed message or ASCII, look at the contents with less or more.  If you downloaded on Windows the line endings might be . It gave exactly what I showed. As far as Windows,

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 4:21 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > I have the appropriate netinstall for F38 and the CHECKSUM file > downloaded and am trying to verify the download. Everything has gone > well, until the last step: > > sha256sum -c Fedora-Everything-38-1.6-x86_64-CHECKSUM > > When instead of

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

I have the appropriate netinstall for F38 and the CHECKSUM file downloaded and am trying to verify the download. Everything has gone well, until the last step: sha256sum -c Fedora-Everything-38-1.6-x86_64-CHECKSUM When instead of telling me that the .iso is good, I get this: sha256sum:

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/12/2023 12:34 PM, Eldon wrote: Here are a few things to try. It is possible that you are starting in some sort of USB mode, and then the bootloader is trying to switch mid-boot Three things to remember: first, if I use one of the USB ports, it tries to boot but if I use the other, it

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

Here are a few things to try. It is possible that you are starting in some sort of USB mode, and then the bootloader is trying to switch mid-boot Some ideas: 1) Look through the BIOS for usb compatibility boot modes and toggle them. It's not uncommon for new BIOSes to have different options to

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/12/2023 07:04 AM, Tim via users wrote: How did you install F35 on it before? A LiveUSB, of course, just like I'm trying now. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 13:11:35 -0600 Joe Zeff wrote: > only open a few nights a week. I'm going to try using a netinstall, > but I've never done that before, so I'd appreciate a little guidance I use the minimal netinstall, but on optical media. I have a dvd drive, with lots of old empty disks,

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

Tim: >> This is on a brand new computer? Joe Zeff: > No. It's on a laptop that I'd originally installed F35 because that's > what was current at the time. The hard drive has failed and a new one > installed. It's not in what you quoted, but when I picked the laptop up > from the tech shop,

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/11/2023 08:22 PM, Tim via users wrote: This is on a brand new computer? No. It's on a laptop that I'd originally installed F35 because that's what was current at the time. The hard drive has failed and a new one installed. It's not in what you quoted, but when I picked the laptop up

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, 2023-10-11 at 13:11 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > I have downloaded the F35 .iso, verified it and used dd to put it on a > flash drive. If I insert it into one of the laptop's two USB ports and > turn it on, it goes directly into the BIOS, and if I exit that, it goes > right back in until I

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

I have downloaded the F35 .iso, verified it and used dd to put it on a flash drive. If I insert it into one of the laptop's two USB ports and turn it on, it goes directly into the BIOS, and if I exit that, it goes right back in until I pull the drive. If I use the other port, it appears to

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/05/2023 08:22 PM, Tim via users wrote: I don't recall you showing the output from any commands in the GRUB prompt, such as ls. Which would show drives and content that it finds. I'll be glad to do that if, and only if a flash drive with F35 on it fails. If it works, I'll just assume

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/05/2023 08:18 PM, Tim via users wrote: But considering you said it did boot some other live distro in the shop, it's probably just something about Fedora's booting. I'm going to download F35, the version I used when I bought the laptop, install from that to avoid the known bug, then

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Thu, 2023-10-05 at 09:57 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > My desktop didn't go right to the grub prompt, it gave me a menu first, > but ended up at the prompt. Any explanation that doesn't include that, > or the fact that the laptop booted OK at the shop can't be right. That almost sounds like a

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Thu, 2023-10-05 at 10:13 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > As I've written many times, F12 only gets me to the BIOS if the drive's > not inserted. And, the laptop's only about two, maybe three years old > at most. Could be a timing issue. Have you tried hammering away at the F12 key as soon as you

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/05/2023 11:29 AM, stan via users wrote: I don't know that. But, Adam said that this was working in F36, so you might be able to install the F36 live iso, and then upgrade to F38. F36 only went EOL a few months ago, so everything should still be functioning, low bit rot. This reminds me

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 10:10:40 -0600 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/05/2023 08:51 AM, stan via users wrote: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2181989 > > > > Basically anaconda/dracut's iso-scan/filename= has been broken since > > Fedora 37 included, and is still broken in Fedora 39 Beta,

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/05/2023 04:59 AM, George N. White III wrote: You posted "F12 gets me to BIOS.  If I do, it goes right to the grub prompt". So that no longer works?  Unless you made changes to the BIOS settings, this indicates a hardware problem. How good is the battery?  A very old battery may cause

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/05/2023 08:51 AM, stan via users wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2181989 Basically anaconda/dracut's iso-scan/filename= has been broken since Fedora 37 included, and is still broken in Fedora 39 Beta, meaning the Live iso can't be booted from a USB stick using grub and

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/05/2023 08:39 AM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: But I'd try to keep things as simple as possible, and in your case I'd try to simply recreate the LiveFedora on the USB drive again, from scratch, and then see what happens: it makes no sense to run around in circles and guess again and again.

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/05/2023 08:39 AM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: Actually that looks like the hardware, your flash thumb, might be fine: it seems grub just can't go any farther than offering the grub prompt, from what-ever reason. But I see reason for optimism regarding your USB device .. My desktop didn't go

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 20:22:00 -0600 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/04/2023 06:19 PM, George N. White III wrote: > > You can get some information using the grub prompt.  First thing to > > try is ls: > > > > > > This might be related

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 04:37:55PM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/04/2023 03:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Unless I missed it, I don't think you've mentioned the laptop brand and model, which might give a clue to someone reading this. Gateway, model GWTN156-78K [ ] Not the model

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:22 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/04/2023 06:19 PM, George N. White III wrote: > > You can get some information using the grub prompt. First thing to try > > is ls: > > > > > > Yes, I learned that from

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/04/2023 06:19 PM, George N. White III wrote: You can get some information using the grub prompt.  First thing to try is ls: Yes, I learned that from the guide I linked to. Alas, things are different enough that I

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 7:38 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/04/2023 03:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Unless I missed it, I don't think you've mentioned the laptop brand and > > model, which might give a clue to someone reading this. > > > > Gateway, model GWTN156-78K > > > Also, and sorry to

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/04/2023 03:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Unless I missed it, I don't think you've mentioned the laptop brand and model, which might give a clue to someone reading this. Gateway, model GWTN156-78K Also, and sorry to be obvious, but have you checked the laptop manufacturer's website

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, 2023-10-04 at 13:38 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/04/2023 01:28 PM, Go Canes wrote: > > If I understand correctly, on the same laptop: > > - you can boot off the hard drive and then download the iso file.  > > You > > can then insert the USB flash drive and copy the iso to the flash > >

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/04/2023 02:47 PM, Go Canes wrote: My fault - I had understood the grub prompt was using a live image as opposed to my suggestion of using the server net install image. That's what it's supposed to do, but it never gets as far as a menu. ___

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/04/2023 02:30 PM, Mike Wright wrote: Working from the grub prompt: https://superuser.com/questions/1237684/how-to-boot-from-grub-shell This gives roughly the same instructions as https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/blog/classic-sysadmin-how-to-rescue-a-non-booting-grub-2-on-linux,

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 4:25 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 10/04/2023 02:16 PM, Go Canes wrote: > > - on the laptop, boot off of the USB drive. If it gives you the > > expected menu, choose the option for verifying the media. > > If I could do that, I wouldn't be asking about a grub prompt, would I?

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/4/23 13:25, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/04/2023 02:16 PM, Go Canes wrote: - on the laptop, boot off of the USB drive.  If it gives you the expected menu, choose the option for verifying the media. If I could do that, I wouldn't be asking about a grub prompt, would I? Working from the grub

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/04/2023 02:16 PM, Go Canes wrote: - on the laptop, boot off of the USB drive. If it gives you the expected menu, choose the option for verifying the media. If I could do that, I wouldn't be asking about a grub prompt, would I? ___ users

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/04/2023 02:16 PM, Go Canes wrote: I don't use live images, so I don't know if they have a problem with the RAID/non-RAID setting. Worst case I would think it would at least boot but just not be able to access the hard drive if the settings were incompatible. Totally irrelevant. Neither

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 3:39 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > [...] The laptop has a new, unformatted hard drive because the old one is > dead. When I picked up my laptop after the brain transplant (I don't do > hardware. Ever.) I used my desktop to create the drive off of an .iso > that I downloaded from

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/04/2023 01:28 PM, Go Canes wrote: If I understand correctly, on the same laptop: - you can boot off the hard drive and then download the iso file. You can then insert the USB flash drive and copy the iso to the flash drive using dd. - the flash drive passes the checksum test No! The

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 2:59 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 10/04/2023 12:37 PM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > The laptop's BIOS obviously sees the drive because if the drive's > inserted when I turn it on, it ignores any and all F keys and tries to > boot from it. And, my desktop had no trouble writing

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/04/2023 12:37 PM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: And when you're in that boot menu you might actually see your USB drive show up as a boot option. Or that's at least what I would expect. If you don't see the drive there, I'd again try another one The laptop's BIOS obviously sees the drive

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/04/2023 12:37 PM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: That's no guarantee that the drive works. I'd try another one, especially given that it also fails on your desktop. And as you already mentioned that you saw the laptop running a live system off a flash drive suggests that the machine has no

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 10:56:59AM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/04/2023 07:50 AM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: If a thumb drive isn't detected at the BIOS boot menu chances are high that either the download for the installed ISO went south or the thumb simply is broken. It's a new drive [ ... ]

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/04/2023 07:50 AM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: If a thumb drive isn't detected at the BIOS boot menu chances are high that either the download for the installed ISO went south or the thumb simply is broken. It's a new drive, the .iso checksum was OK and it does the same thing on my desktop,

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/04/2023 05:24 AM, George N. White III wrote: Check the vendor's site and web for reports of problems booting USB devices on your model.   There may be a BIOS update.   I think some boot issues on older systems are due to code that doesn't support current USB capacities and filesystems.

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On 10/04/2023 02:21 AM, Tim via users wrote: Has that laptop ever booted successfully from a USB-anything? Are there any BIOS/UEFI booting options you can play with? When I picked it up at the ship, it was running a live system off a flash drive. If there are any booting options, I don't

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 08:24:07AM -0300, George N. White III wrote: Check the vendor's site and web for reports of problems booting USB devices on your model. There may be a BIOS update. .. this, yes. But I'm extremely hesitant with BIOS upgrades - if they fail, and there's no recovery

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

the easiest way is Ventoy, (https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html ) if you want to install OS from .iso file ... - Original Message - From: "George N. White III" To: Community support for Fedora users Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2023 08:24:07 -0300 Subject: Re: Getting grub working on

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 5:21 AM Tim via users wrote: > On Tue, 2023-10-03 at 23:28 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > > I've downloaded and verified an .iso for F38 with Xfce, used dd to write > > it to a new flash drive and tried to boot it on my laptop with a brand > > new blank hard drive. All I get is

Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

On Tue, 2023-10-03 at 23:28 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > I've downloaded and verified an .iso for F38 with Xfce, used dd to write > it to a new flash drive and tried to boot it on my laptop with a brand > new blank hard drive. All I get is a grub prompt. Has that laptop ever booted successfully

Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

I've downloaded and verified an .iso for F38 with Xfce, used dd to write it to a new flash drive and tried to boot it on my laptop with a brand new blank hard drive. All I get is a grub prompt. I've tried to follow the instructions at