Re: Administrivia: DMARC mitigations enabled -- applies to Yahoo addresses, at least (was Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.)

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:49:28 -0400 Todd Zullinger wrote: > > Would this change be why I'm suddenly seeing oodles of old messages > > showing up on the list? Messages that I've already seen, since I > > don't have a problem with messages from yahoo addresses being > > invisible.

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Re: Administrivia: DMARC mitigations enabled -- applies to Yahoo addresses, at least (was Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.)

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:49:28 -0400 Todd Zullinger wrote: > This shouldn't be related to that. All it does is change > the From: field of messages sent from domains with very > strict DMARC policies, so that they use the list address. > The sender name is kept, with 'via

Re: Administrivia: DMARC mitigations enabled -- applies to Yahoo addresses, at least (was Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.)

stan wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:27:40 -0400 > Todd Zullinger wrote: >> As we've discussed in this thread and others recently, >> messages from subscribers @yahoo.com do not reach >> subscribers @gmail.com (among others). This is due to an >> aggressive policy set by Yahoo

Re: Administrivia: DMARC mitigations enabled -- applies to Yahoo addresses, at least (was Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.)

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:27:40 -0400 Todd Zullinger wrote: > Hi all, > > As we've discussed in this thread and others recently, > messages from subscribers @yahoo.com do not reach > subscribers @gmail.com (among others). This is due to an > aggressive policy set by Yahoo which

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On Thu, 2018-03-29 at 08:10 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 03/29/18 08:01, Stephen Perkins wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > > wrote: > > > As I understand it, the problem is not that Gmail marks it as spam > > > (which you could recover from

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On 03/29/18 08:01, Stephen Perkins wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: >> As I understand it, the problem is not that Gmail marks it as spam >> (which you could recover from your spam folder) but that it simply >> drops the message

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On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > As I understand it, the problem is not that Gmail marks it as spam > (which you could recover from your spam folder) but that it simply > drops the message completely because of the DMARC indicator. > > poc >

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On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 16:27 -0400, None via users wrote: > > > Sent from ProtonMail, encrypted email based in Switzerland. > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On March 28, 2018 3:15 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 16:46 +,

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​Sent from ProtonMail, encrypted email based in Switzerland.​ ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On March 28, 2018 3:15 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > ​​ > > On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 16:46 +, home user via users wrote: > > > (Patrick; 3/27 3:58pm) > > > > >

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On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 16:46 +, home user via users wrote: > (Patrick; 3/27 3:58pm) > > Perhaps one or two yahoo.com users could post here just to check it's > > working > > and we gmail.com users can see their messages. > > This post should qualify as one test. Yes, that's working. poc

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On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 12:38 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > The front page for the month of March shows the most recent 10 messages > > with a lot of white space. Compare the Evolution (old-style) list > > archive: > > > >

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On 03/28/2018 10:12 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote: > home user via users wrote: >> This post should qualify as one test. > > Indeed. The from is munged to: > > From: home user via users > > Unless we find some nasty gotcha that isn't obvious, I think > the

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home user via users wrote: > This post should qualify as one test. Indeed. The from is munged to: From: home user via users Unless we find some nasty gotcha that isn't obvious, I think the settings change is a win. If it works here, it might be worth

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(replying to several posts, including some in the two sub-threads) (Kevin; 3/27 1:03pm (mountain time?)) > Did you check your spam folder in case it ended up in there? I did, after seeing your question. The messages were there. Thank-you. (Ed; 3/27 3:53pm (mountain time?)) > I have replied

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Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > The front page for the month of March shows the most recent 10 messages > with a lot of white space. Compare the Evolution (old-style) list > archive: > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2017-March/thread.html > > I know which is more useful to me. For

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On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 11:43 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > As a strictly email client user I hope fewer people will use the > > > HyperKitty interface > > > with these mis-features. :-) > > > > It's feature creep. The unwarranted desire to turn a simple archive

Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> As a strictly email client user I hope fewer people will use the HyperKitty >> interface >> with these mis-features. :-) > > It's feature creep. The unwarranted desire to turn a simple archive > page into a full-featured web forum interface, which AFAIK nobody

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On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 06:44 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 03/28/18 06:09, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > I am pretty sure that Hyperkitty simply doesn't include any > > "attribution" on its own. The "... wrote" being quoted is > > exactly what Kevin's mail client included. It's no less > >

Re: Administrivia: DMARC mitigations enabled -- applies to Yahoo addresses, at least (was Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.)

First, thanks for replying. It shows the list changes in action. At least it appears to work as intended. :) Tim via users wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 27 March 2018, Todd Zullinger sent: >> All that said, the best solution would be to stop using >> @yahoo.com as a mail provider -- at least

Re: Administrivia: DMARC mitigations enabled -- applies to Yahoo addresses, at least (was Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.)

Allegedly, on or about 27 March 2018, Todd Zullinger sent: > All that said, the best solution would be to stop using > @yahoo.com as a mail provider -- at least for mailing lists. > They have repeatedly caused grief to the folks that manage > the Fedora Project mail systems. And that'll only work

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I wrote: > That might be sped up if someone reading is interested in > filing a bug upstream and perhaps even providing a patch to > hyperkitty. Someone from the infrastructure team may > eventually be able to do just that, but I know they have > many, many items on their list of tasks. :) > >

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On 03/28/18 06:09, Todd Zullinger wrote: > I am pretty sure that Hyperkitty simply doesn't include any > "attribution" on its own. The "... wrote" being quoted is > exactly what Kevin's mail client included. It's no less > confusing, but it's not as much a bug as a mis-feature. OK.  I believe

Re: Administrivia: DMARC mitigations enabled -- applies to Yahoo addresses, at least (was Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.)

On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 18:25 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > That seems to be a sensible change. Perhaps one or two yahoo.com users > > could post here just to check it's working and we gmail.com users can > > see their messages. > > > > Of course as long as nothing appears we'll have to keep

Re: Administrivia: DMARC mitigations enabled -- applies to Yahoo addresses, at least (was Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.)

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 17:27 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> As we've discussed in this thread and others recently, >> messages from subscribers @yahoo.com do not reach >> subscribers @gmail.com (among others). This is due to an >> aggressive policy set

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Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 03/27/2018 12:03 PM, home user wrote: >> >> It doesn't matter either way. >> >> If you have a yahoo.com address and send from your email client via >> yahoo's email servers, it still goes to fedoraprojects lists server and >> sends out from there. If you sent from

Re: Administrivia: DMARC mitigations enabled -- applies to Yahoo addresses, at least (was Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.)

On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 17:27 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Hi all, > > As we've discussed in this thread and others recently, > messages from subscribers @yahoo.com do not reach > subscribers @gmail.com (among others). This is due to an > aggressive policy set by Yahoo which breaks mail sent via

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> On 03/27/2018 12:03 PM, home user wrote: > > It doesn't matter either way. > > If you have a yahoo.com address and send from your email client via > yahoo's email servers, it still goes to fedoraprojects lists server and > sends out from there. If you sent from hyperkitty it sends directly out

Administrivia: DMARC mitigations enabled -- applies to Yahoo addresses, at least (was Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.)

Hi all, As we've discussed in this thread and others recently, messages from subscribers @yahoo.com do not reach subscribers @gmail.com (among others). This is due to an aggressive policy set by Yahoo which breaks mail sent via the mailing list. The mitigation enabled should change the From:

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I wrote: > I am not familiar enough with DMARC and Mailman3 to know > whether there are any work-arounds available for this issue > or not. There aren't any great solutions to it, in any > case. A little further reading tells me that Mailman supports a few possible work-arounds¹. I've mentioned

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Hi Bill, home user wrote: > Some of you have neat sayings beneath your signature. A > good one in this thread is "Conjecture is just a > conclusion based on incomplete information. It isn't a > fact.". > > I'm seeing comments implying that messages from > yahoo-based member accounts are not

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On 28/3/18 6:34 am, home user wrote: Some of you have neat sayings beneath your signature. A good one in this thread is "Conjecture is just a conclusion based on incomplete information. It isn't a fact.". I'm seeing comments implying that messages from yahoo-based member accounts are not

Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.

Some of you have neat sayings beneath your signature. A good one in this thread is "Conjecture is just a conclusion based on incomplete information. It isn't a fact.". I'm seeing comments implying that messages from yahoo-based member accounts are not reaching members with gmail-based member

Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.

On 03/27/2018 12:03 PM, home user wrote: >> On 03/27/18 07:09, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> I did not get it either and my domain's email is handled by gmail.  I'm >> pretty sure I >> saw where "Home User" (a.k.a. Bill) is a yahoo user. > > Yes, I am a yahoo user. If it makes a difference, I

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> On 03/27/18 07:09, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I did not get it either and my domain's email is handled by gmail.  I'm > pretty sure I > saw where "Home User" (a.k.a. Bill) is a yahoo user. Yes, I am a yahoo user. If it makes a difference, I used HYPERKITTY, not an e-mail client and not

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On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 00:24 +, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 22:34 +, chicago wrote: > > > > I didn't get the post to which the above is a reply. I can see it in > > the list archive so perhaps it was sent from a Yahoo account, in which > > case there is a good chance that

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>> I didn't get the post to which the above is a reply. It is just my luck that I'm very good at proving myself wrong. Had I not quoted anything (like I initially proposed), people would see just a lone "Thank you, Bill" with no context. I learned something new. Thanks, hyper kitty :p

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> On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 22:34 +, chicago wrote: > > I didn't get the post to which the above is a reply. I can see it in > the list archive so perhaps it was sent from a Yahoo account, in which > case there is a good chance that Gmail just threw it away, but there > doesn't appear to be a way

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On 03/27/18 07:09, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 22:34 +, chicago wrote: >>> I agree. I submitted fedora-infrastructure issue #6802 "HYPERKITTY >>> does not show what posting text is being addressed in a reply." to >>> address this. It can be viewed here: >>>

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On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 22:34 +, chicago wrote: > > I agree. I submitted fedora-infrastructure issue #6802 "HYPERKITTY > > does not show what posting text is being addressed in a reply." to > > address this. It can be viewed here: > > "https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6802;. > >

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>I agree. I submitted fedora-infrastructure issue #6802 "HYPERKITTY >does not show what posting text is being addressed in a reply." to >address this. It can be viewed here: >"https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6802;. Thank you, Bill! Sincerely, signature.asc Description: PGP

HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.

Good afternoon, In the recent thread "alternative to skype", one member commented "Don't quote the entire email. In fact, don't quote anything at all when you reply. On k-9 mail there's a little x button (in the default config) that I can click to get rid of all the quotes text." Another