Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-30 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:56 PM, David G. Miller d...@davenjudy.org wrote: CTRL+ALT+F2 through CTRL+ALT+F6 (where F# = Function key #) will bring up an alternate console. Hold down Control and Alt then pick a function key. Get back to the GUI with CTRL+ALT+F1 on Fedora or CTRL+ALT+F7 on RHEL

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-29 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 28 January 2013, Sam Varshavchik sent: 1) The hard drive does an emergency park of the R/W head. That does incur some cost, in terms of wear and tear. Are there any consumer hard drives that still do a controlled park, rather than just get switched off? --

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-29 Thread Jorge Martínez López
2013/1/29 Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com: When the machine freezes, try pressing Alt-SysRq-b to force a reboot, if the kernel is still alive, somewhere. This will still require a filesystem repair, but at least it'll save wear/tear on the hard drives. Even better is to use Alt + SysRq

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-29 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:24 AM, David G. Miller d...@davenjudy.org wrote: When the systems freezes, is it safe to hold down the power button to power off the machine? If not, what alternatives do you suggest? Simple test: if CapsLock and/or NumLock and/or ScrollLock still work (keyboard

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-29 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Tim writes: Allegedly, on or about 28 January 2013, Sam Varshavchik sent: 1) The hard drive does an emergency park of the R/W head. That does incur some cost, in terms of wear and tear. Are there any consumer hard drives that still do a controlled park, rather than just get switched off?

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-29 Thread Max Pyziur
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Paul Smith wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:24 AM, David G. Miller d...@davenjudy.org wrote: When the systems freezes, is it safe to hold down the power button to power off the machine? If not, what alternatives do you suggest? Simple test: if CapsLock and/or NumLock

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-29 Thread Tim
Tim: Are there any consumer hard drives that still do a controlled park, rather than just get switched off? Sam Varshavchik: On my laptop with a ~4 year old hard drive, there's quite an audible difference between a forcible power-off, with a clunk, and an orderly shutdown that turns the

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Nichols
On 01/29/2013 03:28 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 28 January 2013, Sam Varshavchik sent: 1) The hard drive does an emergency park of the R/W head. That does incur some cost, in terms of wear and tear. Are there any consumer hard drives that still do a controlled park, rather than just

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-29 Thread David G . Miller
Max Pyziur pyz at brama.com writes: On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Paul Smith wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:24 AM, David G. Miller dave at davenjudy.org wrote: When the systems freezes, is it safe to hold down the power button to power off the machine? If not, what alternatives do you

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-29 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Tim writes: Hmm, I'll have to have a listen out for what my laptop does. I can well imagine laptops having an emergency shutoff, seeing as some of them use motion detectors to protect drives against bangs. But my external drives seem to make the same loudish bang when they put themselves to

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/28/2013 04:57 PM, Paul Smith wrote: Dear All, When the systems freezes, is it safe to hold down the power button to power off the machine? If not, what alternatives do you suggest? My laptop doesn't do that. My desktop does, and most of the time I have to use the reset button, but if

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-28 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Paul Smith writes: Dear All, When the systems freezes, is it safe to hold down the power button to power off the machine? If not, what alternatives do you suggest? Thanks in advance, There are two consequences to a hard poweroff, like that: 1) The hard drive does an emergency park of the

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-28 Thread g
On 01/29/2013 12:57 AM, Paul Smith wrote: Dear All, When the systems freezes, is it safe to hold down the power button to power off the machine? If not, what alternatives do you suggest? looking for more fish? (GBWG) if your system is freezing, put a heavy blanket around it to keep it

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/28/2013 05:31 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: When the machine freezes, try pressing Alt-SysRq-b to force a reboot, if the kernel is still alive, somewhere. This will still require a filesystem repair, but at least it'll save wear/tear on the hard drives. In an ext3/ext4 filesystem,

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-28 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/28/2013 5:36 PM, g wrote: if your system is freezing, put a heavy blanket around it to keep it warm. Life would be so much easier if it was this easy ... Thanks, Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-28 Thread g
On 01/29/2013 01:50 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 1/28/2013 5:36 PM, g wrote: if your system is freezing, put a heavy blanket around it to keep it warm. Life would be so much easier if it was this easy ... more true than many realize. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc

Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes

2013-01-28 Thread David G . Miller
Paul Smith phhs80 at gmail.com writes: When the systems freezes, is it safe to hold down the power button to power off the machine? If not, what alternatives do you suggest? Simple test: if CapsLock and/or NumLock and/or ScrollLock still work (keyboard light reflects change in state), you have a