On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:21:32 -0700, JZ wrote:
On 06/13/2011 02:02 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
Now you only repeat [albeit with many words] what has been explained
before. Do I need to repeat that package ppp is a dependency of
NetworkManager and that by removing ppp you need to remove
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 14:36 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 06/13/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
That's a feature of dependency analysis: NetworkManager expects to be
able to control ppp connections. In order to do that, it needs ppp. So
if you remove ppp, NetworkManager thinks it is
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:55:02 +0800, KP wrote:
I don't know if it is yum, the package group definitions or the package
dependencies that are wrong - but no matter who is to blame - the result is
definitely not intuitive (or imho correct)...
You read the dependencies backwards.
Below are a
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:
You read the dependencies backwards.
[...]
If you remove ppp, you cannot keep any packages that depend on ppp.
Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support - it is
not expected that this
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:48:12 +0800, KP wrote:
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
You read the dependencies backwards.
[...]
If you remove ppp, you cannot keep any packages that depend on ppp.
Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support -
On 06/13/2011 07:03 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote
Both commands are not the exact opposite of groupinstall and install due
to dependencies on additional packages. A groupinstall can add required
packages
not listed in the group. Same for a normal install. yum install foo may pull
in packages
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:
Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support - it
is
not expected that this operation should remove all Networking!
Then what is it supposed to do instead?
yum groupinfo 'Dial-up Networking
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:40:09 +0800, KP wrote:
I agree that if I explicitly ask to remove ppp then yum is supposed to
remove dependencies.
What I don't understand is how naive the group commands are working.
Well, if you want to go down that road, discussing this could reach a
sudden end. ;)
On 06/13/2011 06:33 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:48:12 +0800, KP wrote:
Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support - it
is
not expected that this operation should remove all Networking!
Then what is it supposed to do instead?
If you can
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:09:46 -0700, JZ wrote:
On 06/13/2011 06:33 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:48:12 +0800, KP wrote:
Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support -
it is
not expected that this operation should remove all Networking!
On 06/13/2011 10:12 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
How would you install Networking?
Well, I generally make sure that it's selected when I install Fedora.
Checking, I find that there's a directory on this box, /etc/ppp so it
must have been brought in with everything else. However, I don't see
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:47:49 -0700, JZ wrote:
How would you install Networking?
Well, I generally make sure that it's selected when I install Fedora.
Really? Do you add/choose a particular package group for it? Or do you
visit potential groups in search for ppp and place a checkmark next
On 06/13/2011 12:20 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
Really? Do you add/choose a particular package group for it? Or do you
visit potential groups in search for ppp and place a checkmark next to
ppp there?
Or do you rely on the default install to include PPP support?
As I've shown, there is no
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:33:38 -0700, JZ wrote:
I have never, knowingly, installed it on this laptop. I did, however,
make sure that Networking Support was installed when I first installed
Fedora 13. Although I have used dial-up support under Linux, by the
time I got this box I no longer
On 06/13/2011 01:19 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
There you're pretty much off-topic. ;-)
Not quite. My thinking is that if it comes in with the rest of
Networking, there's a reason, even if I don't know what it is. For all
I know it might simply be that that's how it was set up back when most
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:44:45 -0700, JZ wrote:
On 06/13/2011 01:19 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
There you're pretty much off-topic. ;-)
Not quite. My thinking is that if it comes in with the rest of
Networking, there's a reason, even if I don't know what it is. For all
I know it might
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 23:02 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:44:45 -0700, JZ wrote:
On 06/13/2011 01:19 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
There you're pretty much off-topic. ;-)
Not quite. My thinking is that if it comes in with the rest of
Networking, there's a
On 06/13/2011 02:02 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
Now you only repeat [albeit with many words] what has been explained
before. Do I need to repeat that package ppp is a dependency of
NetworkManager and that by removing ppp you need to remove
NetworkManager, too?
No, I'm not repeating what's
On 06/13/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
That's a feature of dependency analysis: NetworkManager expects to be
able to control ppp connections. In order to do that, it needs ppp. So
if you remove ppp, NetworkManager thinks it is itself broken. But if
you never intend to use
I don't know if it is yum, the package group definitions or the package
dependencies that are wrong - but no matter who is to blame - the result is
definitely not intuitive (or imho correct)...
After being hit by a fatal error in preupgrade, I am now unable to re-run the
upgrade because of low
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