Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-09 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 08 September 2013, g sent: imagine how big sputnik would have been if the Russians had to use a bunch of tubes and batteries :=D Apparently a captured Russian aircraft was found to be full of valve based equipment, to the bewilderment of those who caught it, wondering if

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-09 Thread Darryl L. Pierce
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 04:58:17PM -0500, Javier Perez wrote: I know SELinux is not about encryption, it is about limiting access to the system AFTER a breach has ocurred. (That is my understanding AFAIK, and that is why I think it is a good idea). My beef is given the NSA origin of this

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-08 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 07 September 2013, g sent: i know that feeling. similarly, i had a skin effect experience when i put my hand on a van de graaff generator at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. I had my revenge on my unfriendly classmates at school with a Van de Graaff generator.

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-08 Thread g
On 09/08/2013 06:51 AM, Tim wrote: I had my revenge on my unfriendly classmates at school with a Van de Graaff generator. ;-) While they were all daisy-chained to each other, standing on plastic boxes, with one on the end touching the generator, as part of a practical demo, I grabbed the

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-08 Thread Veeti Paananen
On 05/09/13 23:41, Javier Perez wrote: After reading this, I am turning off SELINUX http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security Until I hear of a thorough code review by a non-USA team of this code, I do not feel safe using it, privacy wise. It's

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/06/2013 10:41 PM, g wrote: when i descended ladder, staying well clear of antenna wire, i looked down at water and caught glimpses of some fishes with their bio luminescence. another great sight. I remember seeing that when I was in Tonkin Gulf, back in '72. Never saw any St. Elmo's

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-07 Thread Roger
On 09/07/2013 02:38 PM, Mike Dwiggins wrote: I tried some of this stuff while in the service and almost got busted! Foil on a 5-ton hut did not work well! Mike D. Exactly! Proof that foil trick's been foiled. Returning to the original discussion about foiling the NSA. If you try to foil

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-07 Thread g
hello, Joe. ;=) On 09/07/2013 02:46 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/06/2013 10:41 PM, g wrote: when i descended ladder, staying well clear of antenna wire, i looked down at water and caught glimpses of some fishes with their bio luminescence. another great sight. I remember seeing that when I was

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-07 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 07 September 2013, g sent: for some reason or other, i decided to climb up on top of bridge. along side of ladder was cable for antenna. while climbing up, i kept getting a stinging on my ear, so i swatted at what i thought were mosquitos. after looking around

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-07 Thread g
On 09/07/2013 06:39 AM, Tim wrote: I can remember the lovely lilac corona you could get when you poked the end of a screwdriver *near* the tripler in a CRT set. Tens of thousands of volts going *almost* through you (more like around the outside of you, rather than through your innards), but

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:15:32 -0500 g wrote: sure would be nice if fedoraproject would create a 'general' list like mozilla did. then reminiscing would not be a thread unraveler. ;=) Well, to get back on topic then, I'll just point out for the tin foil hat folks that the selinux libraries are

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/07/2013 03:31 AM, g wrote: Tonkin Gulf sounded familiar, so i ran a search. you were there around the time of 'delimitation'. had it been 1964. it would not have been so Boring!. Steaming in and out of a fog bank was boring. I suggest that you read up on the Easter Offensive,

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/07/2013 02:00 PM, g wrote: On 09/07/2013 03:01 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/07/2013 03:31 AM, g wrote: Tonkin Gulf sounded familiar, so i ran a search. you were there around the time of 'delimitation'. had it been 1964. it would not have been so Boring!. Steaming in and out of a

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-07 Thread g
On 09/07/2013 04:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: No. The Easter Offensive was in '72, when the NVA poured across the border with 150,000 men and more armor than the Germans sent to the Kursk Salient. They ended up with a few positions south of the border, and got back 50,000 men on foot. ARVN did

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/07/2013 03:25 PM, g wrote: ok. i looked it up; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARVN another fine example of how screwed up things can get with lack of good communications. Try looking here instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Offensive because it deals with the offensive in

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-07 Thread g
On 09/07/2013 06:01 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/07/2013 03:25 PM, g wrote: ok. i looked it up; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARVN another fine example of how screwed up things can get with lack of good communications. Try looking here instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Offensive

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/07/2013 04:30 PM, g wrote: not really. it was what wikipedia found in search. i guess wikipedia does not know all the general answers. :=) Odd. I put Easter Offensive into the search bar and got exactly what I was looking for. What search term did you use? BTW, if you want to

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Clive Hills
Ah Ken's ACm lecture on Trusting trust. yes good reading. On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Dave Stevens g...@uniserve.com wrote: Quoting Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com: Hi On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Javier Perez wrote: I know SELinux is not about encryption, it is about

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Edward Martinez
On 9/5/2013 1:41 PM, Javier Perez wrote: Until I hear of a thorough code review by a non-USA team of this code, I do not feel safe using it, privacy wise. With NSA's Utah Data Center opening this month, I don't think using SElinux will seem a problem

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Andrew Haley
On 09/05/2013 09:41 PM, Javier Perez wrote: After reading this, I am turning off SELINUX http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security Until I hear of a thorough code review by a non-USA team of this code, I do not feel safe using it, privacy wise.

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 06 September 2013, Andrew Haley sent: That's what they want you to do. Haha, best retort yet. -- All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 17:58:03 +0200 Heinz Diehl h...@fritha.org wrote: On 06.09.2013, Javier Perez wrote: My beef is given the NSA origin of this software, It could very well have a backdoor to turn itself off under the appropriate circumstances like an NSA-sponsored breach an allow

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 06.09.2013, Javier Perez wrote: My beef is given the NSA origin of this software, It could very well have a backdoor to turn itself off under the appropriate circumstances like an NSA-sponsored breach an allow unrestricted access to my system.. Every person contributing to free open

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.09.2013 00:35, schrieb Javier Perez: I know it is a long shot and a lot of paranoid-think, after all, if I have to depend on SELinux to defend my system from external breaches, I am F*ck up already. says who? I say so, based on my current knowledge of how to

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.09.2013 23:58, schrieb Javier Perez: I know SELinux is not about encryption, it is about limiting access to the system AFTER a breach has ocurred. (That is my understanding AFAIK, and that is why I think it is a good idea) well, so *why* do you refer to an article about encryption

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Dave Stevens
Quoting Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com: On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 17:58:03 +0200 Heinz Diehl h...@fritha.org wrote: On 06.09.2013, Javier Perez wrote: My beef is given the NSA origin of this software, It could very well have a backdoor to turn itself off under the appropriate circumstances

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Fred Erickson
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 12:05:12 -0500 Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:18 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: As for the tinfoil hat, it needs two layers --- the inside layer needs to be orientend shiny-side in, which would prevent the NSA from spying on your brain

RE: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Alan Gagne
As for the tinfoil hat, it needs two layers --- the inside layer needs to be orientend shiny-side in, which would prevent the NSA from spying on your brain waves. But the outside layer needs to be oriented shiny-side out, to prevent the NSA from feeding your brain with undesired signals. The two

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Steven Stern
On 09/06/2013 11:18 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: As for the tinfoil hat, it needs two layers --- the inside layer needs to be orientend shiny-side in, which would prevent the NSA from spying on your brain waves. But the outside layer needs to be oriented shiny-side out, to prevent the NSA from

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Roger
On 09/07/2013 03:35 AM, Fred Erickson wrote: On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 12:05:12 -0500 Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:18 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: As for the tinfoil hat, it needs two layers --- the inside layer needs to be orientend shiny-side in, which would

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread g
On 09/06/2013 12:35 PM, Fred Erickson wrote: I love it, this thread is starting to contain some useful information. :) yeah. like what is fud. :=D and that is not a question. i mean their opinion about what is fud. ;=) -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. sl6.3

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread g
On 09/06/2013 06:06 PM, Roger wrote: You can no longer fool me! I even wrapped the whole school bus in 2 layers of insulated foil but it did not work because I could not completely ground the inner layer of foil and the earth peg pulled out of the ground while driving. you needed to have

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Roger
On 09/07/2013 01:02 PM, g wrote: On 09/06/2013 06:06 PM, Roger wrote: You can no longer fool me! I even wrapped the whole school bus in 2 layers of insulated foil but it did not work because I could not completely ground the inner layer of foil and the earth peg pulled out of the ground

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Javier Perez
Loved it! :) As for the tinfoil hat, it needs two layers --- the inside layer needs to be orientend shiny-side in, which would prevent the NSA from spying on your brain waves. But the outside layer needs to be oriented shiny-side out, to prevent the NSA from feeding your brain with undesired

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread Mike Dwiggins
I tried some of this stuff while in the service and almost got busted! Foil on a 5-ton hut did not work well! Mike D. On 9/6/2013 9:25 PM, Javier Perez wrote: Loved it! :) As for the tinfoil hat, it needs two layers --- the inside layer needs to be orientend shiny-side in, which

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-06 Thread g
On 09/06/2013 10:56 PM, Roger wrote: Nay! that dug trenches in the dirt roads and reduced mileage to 2km.ltr. Side benefit though!. The radio antenna gathered static and charged the 2 layers like a capacitor...kids never touched the windows again, sat like angels, hands on laps, spikey hair

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-05 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 15:41:06 -0500, Javier Perez wrote: After reading this, I am turning off SELINUX http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security Until I hear of a thorough code review by a non-USA team of this code, I do not feel safe using it,

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-05 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/05/2013 04:41 PM, Javier Perez wrote: After reading this, I am turning off SELINUX http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security Until I hear of a thorough code review by a non-USA team of this code,

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-05 Thread Javier Perez
I know SELinux is not about encryption, it is about limiting access to the system AFTER a breach has ocurred. (That is my understanding AFAIK, and that is why I think it is a good idea). My beef is given the NSA origin of this software, It could very well have a backdoor to turn itself off under

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.09.2013 22:41, schrieb Javier Perez: After reading this, I am turning off SELINUX http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security Until I hear of a thorough code review by a non-USA team of this code, I do not feel safe using it, privacy wise.

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/05/2013 01:41 PM, Javier Perez wrote: After reading this, I am turning off SELINUX http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security What, if anything, does this have to do with SELinux? SELinux is all about making sure malicious or badly-written code

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Javier Perez wrote: I know SELinux is not about encryption, it is about limiting access to the system AFTER a breach has ocurred. (That is my understanding AFAIK, and that is why I think it is a good idea). My beef is given the NSA origin of this

Re: Turning off SELINUX

2013-09-05 Thread Dave Stevens
Quoting Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com: Hi On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Javier Perez wrote: I know SELinux is not about encryption, it is about limiting access to the system AFTER a breach has ocurred. (That is my understanding AFAIK, and that is why I think it is a good idea). My