Re: Re: Re: About that installer...

2013-03-14 Thread Tony Camuso
On 03/13/2013 09:22 PM, Dan Irwin wrote: No he hasn't, for various reasons :-) Should I file one? I have nothing but a vague memory of the sequence of the problems/dialogs. bugzilla wants clear steps to reproduce the bug. The more info the better, except that log files should be attachments,

Re: Re: About that installer...

2013-03-14 Thread Tony Camuso
On 03/13/2013 09:34 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/14/13 09:22, Dan Irwin wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Tony Camuso tcam...@redhat.com wrote: But, yes, if F17 installs to that partition and F18 does not, then it's a regression. Has the original poster filed a bugzilla on this yet? No

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 March 2013 22:47, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: I see you've moved on from this now, but can you remember whether you tried the continue button at the bottom right of the destination screen please?

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-13 Thread Tony Camuso
On 03/12/2013 06:59 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 03/12/2013 06:53 PM, Dan Irwin wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I think you should say *exactly* what you did with fdisk, each step. Because it still sounds like what you think is creating

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 March 2013 12:05, Tony Camuso tcam...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/12/2013 06:59 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 03/12/2013 06:53 PM, Dan Irwin wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I think you should say *exactly* what you did with fdisk,

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 March 2013 12:15, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: It's possible something like this is the problem, but if Fedora 17 can be installed and if fdisk or something else can see the free space then there's no reason F18's anaconda shouldn't be able to do it. Sorry, meant no *good*

Re: Re: About that installer...

2013-03-13 Thread Tony Camuso
On 03/13/2013 08:15 AM, Ian Malone wrote: On 13 March 2013 12:15, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: It's possible something like this is the problem, but if Fedora 17 can be installed and if fdisk or something else can see the free space then there's no reason F18's anaconda shouldn't be

Re: Re: About that installer...

2013-03-13 Thread Dan Irwin
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Tony Camuso tcam...@redhat.com wrote: But, yes, if F17 installs to that partition and F18 does not, then it's a regression. Has the original poster filed a bugzilla on this yet? No he hasn't, for various reasons :-) Should I file one? I have nothing but a

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/14/13 09:22, Dan Irwin wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Tony Camuso tcam...@redhat.com wrote: But, yes, if F17 installs to that partition and F18 does not, then it's a regression. Has the original poster filed a bugzilla on this yet? No he hasn't, for various reasons :-) Should

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-12 Thread Garry T. Williams
On 3-12-13 14:23:17 zoom itman wrote: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop So I have Fedora 17 installed on there now. That was quite painless. Moving to 18, can I just install fedora-release from 18 and

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 March 2013 23:10, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: At what point does it tell you 'error checking storage configuration' and what does fdisk -l on the disc show? This is on the main installer screen in F18.

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-12 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 11 March 2013, Dan Irwin sent: I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly! I think you should say *exactly* what you did with fdisk, each step. Because it still sounds like what you think

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-12 Thread Dan Irwin
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: I see you've moved on from this now, but can you remember whether you tried the continue button at the bottom right of the destination screen please? http://imalone.fedorapeople.org/DSCN5493.JPG The screen would look like

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-12 Thread Dan Irwin
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I think you should say *exactly* what you did with fdisk, each step. Because it still sounds like what you think is creating free space, probably isn't the same as what we might have done. What i did exactly with fdisk

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-12 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 03/12/2013 06:53 PM, Dan Irwin wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I think you should say *exactly* what you did with fdisk, each step. Because it still sounds like what you think is creating free space, probably isn't the same as what we might

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-12 Thread Dan Irwin
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com wrote: Only because you have data on there is why you're trying it this way? My sister had a similar problem, but the solution was so left-of-center that I just had to have her do it again on a spare machine JUST to see

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-12 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 03/12/2013 07:17 PM, Dan Irwin wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com wrote: Only because you have data on there is why you're trying it this way? My sister had a similar problem, but the solution was so left-of-center that I just had to have her

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 11 March 2013, Dan Irwin sent: The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions. I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly! I haven't tried

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:32:08 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote: I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly! If you've already blown away windows, I'd suggest getting into the shell again and using dd to copy a few meg of

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Eddie O'Connor
I would go with CentOS then..less headaches.at least IMHO On Mar 11, 2013 12:59 AM, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: It might, if I had a Fedora 17 ISO or installer on my network. I am just downloading the netinst iso, in the hope I can get a working OS on this laptop. I

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Max Pyziur
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 11 March 2013, Dan Irwin sent: The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions. I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 March 2013 09:51, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Allegedly, on or about 11 March 2013, Dan Irwin sent: The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions. I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 March 2013 04:32, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop (e6530). Not surprisingly, it's not working. The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions. I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 02:32:08PM +1000, Dan Irwin wrote: snip Linux distros need to learn to not cater for novices. If you can't partition, you shouldn't be running Linux. I've been beating the drum about this for years. It's not just partitioning. The various OSs

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread eoconno...@gmail.com
There's always a way to get Linux to do what you need it to do: install F16upgrade to 17 then upgrade to 18?... Sent from Eddie's Cell Phone - Reply message - From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: About that installer... Date: Mon, Mar

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/11/2013 10:34 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote: I've been beating the drum about this for years. It's not just partitioning. The various OSs have been being dumbed down for some time, especially the DEs. I know people who still believe that Linux and Unix are simply job programs for gurus

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/11/2013 10:49 AM, Ian Malone wrote: Why? I can partition, but I don't really want to make a hobby of it. There's a strong argument to be made for sensible defaults to avoid many people having to do identical tedious set-ups. Yes: sensible defaults, with a reasonable easy way to customize

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Alan Evans
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Ian Malone wrote: Why? I can partition, but I don't really want to make a hobby of it. There's a strong argument to be made for sensible defaults to avoid many people having to do identical tedious set-ups. Sensible defaults are fine. The problem is that,

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Dan Irwin
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, you've wiped all the partitions on the disc, but the installer is refusing to allocate new ones? Not quite. I blew away the big windows partition, but I left the Dell system and recovery partitions. Which

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 March 2013 20:37, Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Ian Malone wrote: Why? I can partition, but I don't really want to make a hobby of it. There's a strong argument to be made for sensible defaults to avoid many people having to do identical

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:36:18 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote: I imagine if I blew away those partitions too, then Fedora 18 would install. But I do like keeping the Dell stuff around, for emergencies. Why? The only thing the dell tools can recover is windows, and you blew that away already. -- users

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 March 2013 22:36, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: I blew away the big windows partition, but I left the Dell system and recovery partitions. Which equates to about 15 gig of space. I imagine if I blew away those partitions too, then Fedora 18 would install. But I do like keeping

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 March 2013 22:49, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:36:18 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote: I imagine if I blew away those partitions too, then Fedora 18 would install. But I do like keeping the Dell stuff around, for emergencies. Why? The only thing the dell tools

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Dan Irwin
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:36:18 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote: I imagine if I blew away those partitions too, then Fedora 18 would install. But I do like keeping the Dell stuff around, for emergencies. Why? The only thing the

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Dan Irwin
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: At what point does it tell you 'error checking storage configuration' and what does fdisk -l on the disc show? This is on the main installer screen in F18. The 'hub' model means I'm going to have to ask at which point,

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Dan Irwin
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: The recovery partition should allow me to re-install windows, if I wanted to. I don't want to. So I re-installed Windows, which took about 5 minutes. Back to factory. Now I am installing Fedora 17 netinst iso, and so far

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:43:20 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote: Now for the tough question. Should I just stick with F17, or use this fedup to go to F18? A lot of folks seem to think yum upgrade is safer and more reliable than fedup. I used a completely different technique: Copied a fedora 18 virtual

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-11 Thread zoom itman
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop So I have Fedora 17 installed on there now. That was quite painless. Moving to 18, can I just install fedora-release from 18 and do a yum update or upgrade? Looking for

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-10 Thread Eddie O'Connor
What about installing F17 doing the fedup procedure?... might that work? On Mar 11, 2013 12:32 AM, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop (e6530). Not surprisingly, it's not working. The installer won't let me install. It won't find

Re: About that installer...

2013-03-10 Thread Dan Irwin
It might, if I had a Fedora 17 ISO or installer on my network. I am just downloading the netinst iso, in the hope I can get a working OS on this laptop. I do have a CentOS mirror locally, and noticed 6.4 has started to come in. That is my other option right now. On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:36