Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-25 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 06/23/2010 06:27 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: there are multiple ways to install nvidias drivers. Its really not simple to cover them all. some ways like using the installer directly from nvidia replace a bunch of Xorg

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-24 Thread Mark Knoop
At 23:58 on 23 Jun 2010, Steve Searle wrote: Around 11:50pm on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 (UK time), Marcel Rieux scrawled: Once again, and this is bound to be the last answer I give. (Michael And then 3 minutes later Around 11:53pm on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 (UK time), Marcel Rieux

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-23 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: On Tuesday, June 22, 2010 05:34:05 pm Marcel Rieux wrote: As a simple user, I'm not in a position to fight RPMFusion. So, if the Nouveau developers don't want to provide instructions on how to install Nouveau when

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-23 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: there are multiple ways to install nvidias drivers. Its really not simple to cover them all. some ways like using the installer directly from nvidia replace a bunch of Xorg bits It's most likely that people who have

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-23 Thread Alan Evans
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: I'm not attacking you, I'm stating a very plain fact. If RPMfusion says Sure, we'll help you move from Nouveau to NIVDIA and, when people want to come back to Nouveau, Nouveau developers answer Ah, you fucked up your system? Good luck! the

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-23 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: On Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:39:16 pm Marcel Rieux wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: reverse whatever it was you did to enable the nvidia driver, then you get Nouveau

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-23 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: One way is to back up your data and reinstall Fedora. That's simple to explain and reliable. It's an annoying amount of work, but it might have taken less of your time as things turned out. Reinstalling to install a

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-23 Thread Steve Searle
Around 11:50pm on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 (UK time), Marcel Rieux scrawled: Once again, and this is bound to be the last answer I give. (Michael And then 3 minutes later Around 11:53pm on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 (UK time), Marcel Rieux scrawled: Reinstalling to install a driver? Are you

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-23 Thread Mikkel
On 06/23/2010 05:53 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: Reinstalling to install a driver? Are you serious! That's worst than being back to the Windows days! Do you get the feeling that people have stopped taking you seriously? -- Registered Linux User #16148 (http://counter.li.org/) signature.asc

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-23 Thread Joel Rees
On Jun 24, 2010, at 7:53 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: One way is to back up your data and reinstall Fedora. That's simple to explain and reliable. It's an annoying amount of work, but it might have taken less of your

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 23:30:24 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 15:17:14 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: (Snip) So, finally, 4 days after the kernel update, a

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Monday, June 21, 2010 10:30:24 pm Marcel Rieux wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 15:17:14 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: (Snip) So, finally, 4 days after the kernel update, a corresponding

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: That makes no sense. If you ask them for information about why this particular kmod package was delayed, I doubt that they would give you an answer anything like you suggest. Oops, sorry! I read too fast and thought,

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: I'll check. The question has been asked here on the 17th: http://lists.rpmfusion.org/pipermail/rpmfusion-users/2010-June/000682.html There's one reply to the message, it's somebody explaining Fedora 12 has the same

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 15:55:32 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: And RPMfusion provides instructions on how to get Nouveau out of the way to do a clean install. Why, as I was explaining to Dennis Gilmore, shouldn't the Nouveau developers provide instructions to do the

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Michael Miles
On 06/22/2010 12:47 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us mailto:den...@ausil.us wrote: We have developers working really hard to make things just work in a completely free and open way. they are fight a tough battle that is part

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 15:55:32 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: And RPMfusion provides instructions on how to get Nouveau out of the way to do a clean install. Why, as I was explaining to Dennis

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Tuesday, June 22, 2010 02:47:24 pm Marcel Rieux wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: We have developers working really hard to make things just work in a completely free and open way. they are fight a tough battle that is part of what defines

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Marcel Rieux wrote: [snip] Once again, I wonder why Fedora is doing so poorly on the desktop... Please stop posting in this off-topic thread. I've tried to ignore it and send you off-list emails but 1) you seem to be ignoring my emails and 2) this thread is now over 70 posts long. -- users

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 18:34:05 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: As a simple user, I'm not in a position to fight RPMFusion. So, if the Nouveau developers don't want to provide instructions on how to install Nouveau when NVIDIA is installed, people like Dennis Gilmore will

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: reverse whatever it was you did to enable the nvidia driver, then you get Nouveau since its the default. How do you, for instance, reverse: su - mv /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r)-nouveau.img

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Tuesday, June 22, 2010 05:34:05 pm Marcel Rieux wrote: As a simple user, I'm not in a position to fight RPMFusion. So, if the Nouveau developers don't want to provide instructions on how to install Nouveau when NVIDIA is installed, people like Dennis Gilmore will find the hard way what

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 23:39:16 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: The day you provide instructions on a page belonging to Fedora/Nouveau on how to install Nouveau the same way RPMFusion does for the NVIDIA module, I'll give some thought to Nouveau. For now, I must say that I'm

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:39:16 -0400 Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: How do you, for instance, reverse: su - mv /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r)-nouveau.img dracut /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img $(uname -r) YOU probably know. I don't. Many Fedora users

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-21 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:25:38 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Another thing that would be nice is an howto on disinstalling nvidia drivers made available on Fedora's or rpmfusion's site. Last time

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 15:17:14 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: (Snip) So, finally, 4 days after the kernel update, a corresponding nvidia kernel module was provided. Not a word anywhere as to why the module wasn't provided with the kernel as usual. Did you ask on the

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-21 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 15:17:14 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: (Snip) So, finally, 4 days after the kernel update, a corresponding nvidia kernel module was provided. Not a word anywhere as to why the

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-21 Thread Todd Zullinger
Marcel Rieux wrote: Did you ask on the RPMFusion lists? No, but I have a pretty good idea of what I'd be told there. They'd say that their business is to teach how to install kmod-nvidia correctly and that if I want to install Nouveau, I should ask Fedora. Wouldn't it make sense? The Magic

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-20 Thread Michael Miles
On 06/18/2010 09:50 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 21:22:59 -0700, Suvayu Alifatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, On Friday 18 June 2010 09:16 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: You can also set your system so that the default boot kernel doesn't change

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-19 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 22:02:49 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: As I said, I don't believe rpmfusion, a repository not supported by Red Hat/Fedora, could block a kernel update. They can using

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-19 Thread JD
On 06/19/2010 02:02 PM, Marcel Rieux was caught red-handed while writing:: On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to mailto:br...@wolff.to wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 22:02:49 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com mailto:m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-19 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 17:02:58 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 22:02:49 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: As I said, I don't believe rpmfusion, a

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 14:10:47 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote to a certain Dan at rpmfusion, but I dougt I'll get an answer. I'm sure rpmfusion is fully aware that they don't offer teh nvidia module for the present kernel. and I would make a bet that people at

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-18 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: If you think that getting an updated kernel installed without the corresponding nVidia kmod being installed is a problem, you could suggest that they use conflicts to block those updates. As I said, I don't believe

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 22:02:49 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: As I said, I don't believe rpmfusion, a repository not supported by Red Hat/Fedora, could block a kernel update. They can using 'conflicts' in the spec file. If the kmod is installed first, this can block

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-18 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi Bruno, On Friday 18 June 2010 09:16 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: You can also set your system so that the default boot kernel doesn't change when there is a kernel update. This protects you from the kmod being released late problem at the cost of having to manually switch boot kernels after

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 21:22:59 -0700, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, On Friday 18 June 2010 09:16 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: You can also set your system so that the default boot kernel doesn't change when there is a kernel update. This protects you from the

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-18 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Friday 18 June 2010 09:50 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I don't know if there is a GUI way to do the following, but you can do it with an editor. To change whether or not the new kernel is the default for the next boot after an install edit /etc/sysconfig/kernel and change UPDATEDEFAULT=yes

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-17 Thread Kevin Martin
On 06/16/2010 07:51 PM, Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 19:27 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Kevin Martin kevi...@ameritech.net wrote: This has nothing to do with who broke what. This has everything to

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-17 Thread Michael Miles
On 06/16/2010 08:02 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 19:52:49 -0400, Marcel Rieuxm.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't RPMfusion preparing its upcoming module according to the kernel version that is in Testing? I would think that RPMfusion has a nice working module for

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-17 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 19:52:49 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't RPMfusion preparing its upcoming module according to the kernel version that is in Testing? I would think that RPMfusion has a

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-17 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.comwrote: the way it works is that rpmfusion cannot build their kmod's until Fedora ships a new kernel. So there is a lag of time between the kernel update and the packages from rpmfusion No. Usually, the kernel and the module

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 19:03:41 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: How can rpmfusion provide the module for a kernel it's not expecting because the one in testing -- posted yesterday -- is an earlier kernel? This seems to me like an important post and everybody ignores it.

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-16 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:22:21 -0500 Kevin Martin kevi...@ameritech.net wrote: On 06/15/2010 04:05 PM, David Boles wrote: On 6/15/2010 4:35 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 06/15/2010 02:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 18:22:21 -0500, Kevin Martin kevi...@ameritech.net wrote: approved and included packages) and there should be an effort made to make sure that the tool is smart enough to handle the dependencies system-wide. If not, then take Apples approach and close the door on The

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-16 Thread Kevin Martin
On 06/15/2010 10:24 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:22:21 -0500 Kevin Martin kevi...@ameritech.net wrote: On 06/15/2010 04:05 PM, David Boles wrote: On 6/15/2010 4:35 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 06/15/2010 02:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote:

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-16 Thread JD
On 06/16/2010 01:13 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 06/15/2010 10:24 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:22:21 -0500 Kevin Martinkevi...@ameritech.net wrote: On 06/15/2010 04:05 PM, David Boles wrote: On 6/15/2010 4:35 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/17/2010 02:03 AM, JD wrote: Seems to me this is a moot point. Each distro, and in fact each repo, builds it's packages which end up in some or many cases with different required dependencies from same package built on some other repo or distro - depending on what was installed on

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-16 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Kevin Martin kevi...@ameritech.net wrote: This has nothing to do with who broke what. This has everything to do with attempting to make Fedora, and other Linux variants, mainstream enough for the common person to use. Have you seen Taxi Driver? There's a

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-16 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 19:03:41 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: How can rpmfusion provide the module for a kernel it's not expecting because the one in testing -- posted yesterday -- is an

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-16 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 19:52 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 19:03:41 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: How can rpmfusion provide the module

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-16 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 19:27 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Kevin Martin kevi...@ameritech.net wrote: This has nothing to do with who broke what. This has everything to do with attempting to make Fedora, and

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 19:52:49 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't RPMfusion preparing its upcoming module according to the kernel version that is in Testing? I would think that RPMfusion has a nice working module for kernel 2.6.32.10-92.fc12. Since Fedora decided instead

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread Darr
On Monday, 14 June, 2010 @ 23:13 zulu, Marcel Rieux scribed: Here's the last update suggestion I received today: [snip] kernel x86_64 2.6.32.14-127.fc12 Most of the other replies have focused on RPMFusion... but what's funny to me is the version that went into

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 13:20:28 -0500,  Kevin Martin kevi...@ameritech.net wrote: snip Shouldn't there be a way for yum/packagekit to understand the interdependencies when kmod packages are installed such that a new

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Darr d...@core.com wrote: On Monday, 14 June, 2010 @ 23:13 zulu, Marcel Rieux scribed: Here's the last update suggestion I received today: [snip] kernel x86_64 2.6.32.14-127.fc12 Most of the other replies have focused on

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.comwrote: the way it works is that rpmfusion cannot build their kmod's until Fedora ships a new kernel. So there is a lag of time between the kernel update and the packages from rpmfusion because they need the kernel source to

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kevin Martin kevi...@ameritech.net wrote: snip Shouldn't there be a way for yum/packagekit to understand the interdependencies when kmod packages are installed such that a new kernel update is *not* offered if the corresponding kmod package that uses it is

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 16:25:38 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Another thing that would be nice is an howto on disinstalling nvidia drivers made available on Fedora's or rpmfusion's site. Last time I looked there were none, if I remember well. This page has some of what

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread Kevin Martin
On 06/15/2010 02:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 13:20:28 -0500, Kevin Martin kevi...@ameritech.net wrote: snip Shouldn't there be a way for yum/packagekit to understand the

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread David Boles
On 6/15/2010 4:25 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kevin Martin kevi...@ameritech.net mailto:kevi...@ameritech.net wrote: snip Shouldn't there be a way for yum/packagekit to understand the interdependencies when kmod packages are installed such that

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread David Boles
On 6/15/2010 4:35 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 06/15/2010 02:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I used to use kmod-nvidia(-PAE) and what I used to do was: yum check-update Then if there was a kernel but no kmod update listed

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread Phil Meyer
On 06/14/2010 05:13 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: Here's the last update suggestion I received today: == PackageArch Version

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:05 PM, David Boles dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: Fedora provides you, free of charge, a perfectly good, working, operating system. And they maintain that system. As provided. You modified it by adding a package, or packages, from a non Fedora site(s). Fedora provided

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:05 PM, David Boles dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/15/2010 4:35 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 06/15/2010 02:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I used to use kmod-nvidia(-PAE) and what I used to do was:

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread Kevin Martin
On 06/15/2010 04:05 PM, David Boles wrote: On 6/15/2010 4:35 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 06/15/2010 02:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I used to use kmod-nvidia(-PAE) and what I used to do was: yum check-update

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread David Boles
On 6/15/2010 7:18 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:05 PM, David Boles dgbo...@gmail.com mailto:dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/15/2010 4:35 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 06/15/2010 02:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-15 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 18:22 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: On 06/15/2010 04:05 PM, David Boles wrote: On 6/15/2010 4:35 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 06/15/2010 02:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I used to use

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel and it will still be possible to boot with the present kernel. .. but not with the new kernel because the new kmod-nvidia is not installed. Which

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-14 Thread Dale J. Chatham
On 06/14/2010 06:29 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, Marcel Rieuxm.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. kmod-nvidia is from their repository. If lack of an updated kmod-nvidia update needs to block a

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/15/2010 04:43 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: = So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel and it will still be possible to boot with the present kernel. .. but not with the new kernel because the new kmod-nvidia is not

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-14 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 18:32 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: On 06/14/2010 06:29 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, Marcel Rieuxm.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. kmod-nvidia is from their

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-14 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Dale J. Chatham d...@chatham.org wrote: On 06/14/2010 06:29 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, Marcel Rieuxm.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. kmod-nvidia is from

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-14 Thread Larry Brower
Marcel Rieux wrote: Some might argue that those who might be blamed by the unenlightened should do something to keep people from crashing their new systems and not knowing why or how to work around it. While you are correct in what you say, at the end of the day, really

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-14 Thread Todd Zullinger
Marcel Rieux wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Dale J. Chatham d...@chatham.org wrote: [...] While you are correct in what you say, at the end of the day, really doesn't matter. Gonna have a lot of people angry and blaming Fedora. Exactly. It's no use trying to find culprits: it must

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-14 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/15/2010 04:43 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: = So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel and it will still be possible to boot with the present

Re: Another funny update?

2010-06-14 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 23:03 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the